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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2018 season.
During the off-season let’s talk about players, recruiting news, teams and everything about high school football.
During the season each week let’s talk about match-ups and how teams did. Let us know what player(s) stood out each week.
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Just wondering why no one has stated that the Pine Richland head coach has a 4 game suspension and another PR coach was fired for trying to recruit a player from Ohio? I thought only private schools recruit?
Stack Man, thank you very much for the GA information, very interesting. I know that area very well. On the southeast corner of School House Lane and Greene is the PA School for the Deaf. It’s those buildings, wow, never knew that. Germantown Friends HS is right by there also which of course is still in existence. There are still two major leagues that are independent of the PIAA: the Inter-Ac and the Friends. Don’t know if any of the Friends League teams even have a football program; they’re more basketball oriented.
Of the big three, Wood seems to me to be the most blue collar, almost like the CB West of the PCL. Also give them props for hanging tough against top out of state competition. And no admission charge for home games at Tennent is right on. Meanwhile Prep IMO bought a team, and to a slightly lesser degree LaSalle.
@6-2 Stack Monster
Ive been coaching 15 years. Ive been all over …SOL, PCL, BAL, Ches-Mont and PAC-10. I agree the volume of transfers is out of control. I think in these players in general who transfer show zero loyalty in general to the programs that bring that up. Yes there are the legitimate exceptions of kids who’s parents actually move districts, However most in really are just switching schools. You see kids now, like the Prep QB, that are being offered scholarships being they have even stepped foot onto a HS varsity field. Some these programs and coaches are like leeches to the players while they are still in elementary school. Then you have the coaches who go to 7v7’s and passing camps and big man camps to promote their schools. Then when it comes to the playoff its only common sense that when you allow teams who can recruit which student-athletes they have in their school vs. schools that pull directly from their immediate district, there is an unfair advantage. Then you have the schools like West Catholic and Egan who receive a huge donation to use for scholarships, can use that to recruit players, who ordinarily did not go to catholic school to be able to transfer. Its Insane now!
@ Coach D –
Thanks for the verification. That makes sense. Those transfers would appear to be athletics-related, but with the state of affairs in Philly schools, any type of leadership and stability from adults is a positive thing. Good luck to those kids and coaches – it will be fun to watch Northeast this season and see what they can do.
@phillyboy-
When I said that the volume of transfers was getting crazy, I was really just stating the obvious – that’s just the world we live in now. Kids transfer for all kinds of reasons and at the end of the day those reasons, whatever they may be, are for the benefit of the kids. I’m agreeable to some type of rule on senior transfers not playing in an effort to curtail trophy chasing, but there would still have be some leeway – there will always be legitimate exceptions to the rule, though they should be heavily scrutinized. That said, you still confuse me. I understand that you are good with a public school “benefitting from favorable developments”, as am I. However, you noted that you “think they should discourage transfers regardless of the type of school.” So as it stands, you will be running the sidelines with your viking helmet but, and I ask this question sincerely, what would your reaction have been had all these kids gone to Prep, LaSalle, or Wood?
And speaking of those three, you seem to have a particular grievance with Prep, while giving LaSalle and Wood a pass. Why is that? I get that to an extent everyone looks at them as the evil empire due to their success, but are they doing something so different from the other two? Or any anyone else, some publics included, for that matter?
Again, not looking to pick a fight, just open a dialogue.
As for your question about Germantown Academy:
School was originally located at Greene St. & Schoolhouse Lane (south of Germantown Ave.); that’s just less than a mile from the current location of LaSalle University, who moved there in 1930. While at this location sports were played on a field on campus, but the school also utilized the facilities at the Germantown Cricket Club – I believe that football was exclusive to the school’s own field, but verification of that fact may have been lost to time. GA moved to its current location in Ft. Washington in 1965. The tale I’ve heard is that some rich dude who owned the land offered it up to all the city academies for free, with the only stipulation being that the school would have to become co-ed. GA obliged. Bonus fun fact: The GA/Penn Charter football rivalry is the oldest in the United States, dating back to 1886.
@McD65 & @sausmann9 –
I’m no spring chicken, but would gladly pick up the tab at any watering hole in Doylestown to hear some stories from a couple of old-timers (original gangsters?) like you.
@Brian
NG was no guarantee to even make it out of districts this year. They are at AAA the next two years with Egan, Lansdale, New Hope, PJP, SOF and KIPP. NG was a senior heavy last season and only returns a handful starters on both sides. Even Less now with Britt and Ennis headed to NE. In District 12, Egan the favorite in AAA. Egan returns all skill positioned players on offense and 2/3 starters on the line and if they are smart they move majors to guard because they have Harris..defensively they returned majority of the front 7.
the NG players know that they have to go through Southern Columbia the next two years and they couldn’t do it this year with their so called 7 division 1 players.
Sausman9, yes I used to go to the NBI quite a bit after West games years ago. I cant get around very well due to health issues , but maybe after a game this year I can make it over and get together and talk about the sport we love. I sometimes get to the Candlewick . Philly boy, cant help you with the GA info. As far back as I remember GA has been in Fort Washington.
@Tony Ramos
“Both the RB’s on CV were transfers in state title year (Gumby & McKillop)”
Brandon McKillip was not a transfer. Gumby transferred from East Pennsboro in 1992 and they didn’t “bring in” Regis Perry in 2001. Regis Perry moved here from Ohio (I thought originally it was western PA) in 2001. The Perry transfer was from Cleveland, Ohio because his family moved here to Silver Spring Township AND he only played the second half of the season. Gumby had a bad leg most of the second half of the season and actually made more of an impact at LB on defense than at running back.
“Over the years everyone has benefited.”
I don’t think one transfer every TEN years qualifies under the category of “everyone has benefited”. Private and some public schools have three or more every year!In addition, although Gumby and Perry were good high school players we’re not talking about Division I transfers here. I may be mistaken but I have never seen a Division I transfer INTO Cumberland Valley since the mid 80’s when I started attending their games. 99%+ of CV players are home grown.
I thought this was a “football” talk forum. What is all this whining about tranfers? Sound’s like a NCAA delegation meeting
@sausman9 NBI was my home in college lol!
@PhillyProper I am not debating you on this nor am I discrediting anyone. Its a moot point! Fact is How many parents have you ever heard come out an say “yes we believe its a better athletic opportunity for our son” Someone made comment that they heart sever NG and Imhotep players were transferring to NE…I simply confirmed that yes indeed that is true.
@Mike A,
Both the RB’s on CV were transfers in state title year (Gumby & McKillop)….then when they had Dan Lawlor they brought in Regis Perry. Most public schools do not bring in all kinds of transfers. Over the years everyone has benefited.
@ McD65
“BTW,moved 40 years ago to Doylestown from Philly”
oh boy, so youre telling me I could have been rubbing elbows with you at the NBI over a burger and beer for the last 20 years or so and not even known it???
ever chat w/ some really cool dude over trading games there (assuming you go to NBI), I’ve met quite a few football gurus there and picked up/dropped off games.
LOL, small world.
McD65, once these transfer rules get implemented, of course they have to apply to all types of schools. Having said that, I don’t have a problem with a public school benefiting from favorable developments. At places like Prep, they have all the favor and advantages in the world. You got multiple former NFL players sending their kids there, come on. It’s like the unspoken, agreed-upon place for anybody with resources and promise to meet; in effect it’s a passive conspiracy. The District 12 final (PCL champ vs. Public League champ) for all intents and purposes is a bye for the PCL. Like the recent snarky comment from Kevin X insinuated: if Prep kept their starters in the whole game, the final could be 77-0 or so. So to be indignant over the good fortunes of Northeast is outlandish.
Yeah back in the day downtown Germantown was basically King of Prussia before King of Prussia — the most prominent retail shopping district west of Center City. Was always curious about something, maybe you know. When Germantown Academy was actually located in Germantown, where exactly was it located and where did they play their home games?
Kecin X, From what I read, if an athlete enters a school in 9th grade and transfers to another school, he will be eligible to play during the regular season but not eligible for the playoffs in years 10,11 and 12. Originally it looked like the transfer rule applied to only Senior transfers and playoffs, now, the Pubs want it to extend to all transfers for their entire career.
@Coach D so your assumption is that you know why any of these kids transferred basically. Because to say it’s not too difficult to figure out what’s going on is just that an assumption on your part. So are you saying you discredit a parent? I have talked to many parents and heard many horror stories of things done to their kids all in the name of a sport, by coaches.
@ Foleman
What do you mean that the transfer rule is to harsh as it stands??? Where are you getting the 2-3 years from??
@Philly Proper Off hand not sure names of what other Imhotep players transferred. Gore has already updated his profile to saying Northeast OC and and the now former goretti QB has also already updated his twitter to saying Northeast HS. Just like the big OLinemen from Lincoln HS switch schools to School of Future Hs. Coaches talk to each other. What are the parents going to say? The standard “better education” , “Better environment” When you have A coach and players at the same DVC, NG and now NE its not that difficult to figure out why the players is transferring. Following last season Goretti had kids transfer out due to “Scholarship Issues”, again its not that difficult to figure out what was going on.
@ D12FAN
Mmmm, so Garlick is going to be reunited with his old coach at Ursinus this season……what goes around comes around……or small world???
Phillyboy,You confuse me .You were cheering the transfers to Northeast and now going off on players staying put. Im very familiar with those two players you referenced and both transfers were for good reasons at the time. BTW,moved 40 years ago to Doylestown from Philly.
Phillyboy
Please don’t reference those two players when you have no idea what you are talking about. The coaches son was QB at UD and Chris made the best decision for himself, got a good education, started and beat prep senior year, got scholarship and started at Maine last year as frosh. Garlick took a chance and competed won at state chip, he had a great opportunity. Don’t start second guessing HS kids choices, dude. There are plenty of other situations that worked out worse, garlick started at Ursinus last year….This is still the United States of America and people are free to chose where they go to school, no matter what cape may boy thinks.
@Coach D what other Imhotep players transferred to Northeast? You’ve named Goretti kids but not these other Imhotep kids. The players from Gorretti that you said transferred to Northeast, do you know why? Have you talked to the kids parents? I’m just asking because it seems everyone has knowledge about kids and what’s going on by coaches, but not by the parents who I would rather hear information from, not outside sources who I’m sure are angry about the transfers.
@6-2 Stack Monster a few coaching buddies of mine have confirmed that coach gore who was the HC of former Del Val charter and last years OC at Goretti left to become the OC at Northeast. He also took with him Goretti starting QB (Britt) and LB (Ennis) and few others with him. They all played at Del Val for him. I was also told that few Imhotep kids also transferred into Northeast besides Speights.
Foleman, ….politics? Got to work that stuff out, deal with it man. ‘I’m not happy, I deserve better, I need to go find myself, I know what I’ll do …I’ll find another man, I mean team.’
Depth chart issues? Very few teams have this “problem”. That’s the breaks if a kid is going to transfer to a great program. A couple examples: a few years ago there was a kid by the name of Ferguson who transferred from Upper Dublin to LaSalle. But there was already another very good QB there. Kid ended up bench warming for a year or two. The solution: just stay where the heck you are, Upper Dublin. The thing about it, UD already had a pretty decent program anyway. Same thing with Garlick; should have stayed at Quakertown all four years. When he got bumped by the ‘new kid on the block’ it was almost a form of justice.
@Route54. Yes, sad and creepy indeed. The scary thing to me is exactly what you said these are grown men saying these things, bashing this kid as I’m sure they have done to many others. Makes me wonder the motive? What is also scary is I’m sure they have kids of their own, to have the audacity to say something about Speights Mother and your a grown man bashing a teen age kid….very sad. Speaks volumes about who they are.