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i think district 11 1-A is overlooked, shenandoah valley and williams valley should run the table and make for a great d11 championship
Brett, it’s the public schools too. Last year a team in No. NJ Wayne Hills I think had 6 or so players start a fight against their rivals Wayne hills or vice versa. these are spoiled kids from a money area and have a guy named Olsen as the coach/AD. He’s apparently a real Ahole and it wound involving lawyers, suspensions… Another coach rented an apartment to two kids and their families from out of the district and after they won the state title, he kicked them out. It’s crazy. Who would of thought what happened at Penn St. could happen.
@ Brett:
Imhotep is a public charter. It’s also a magnet school which basically means that they have academic criteria that need to be met in order to be accepted. Sure, I agree that academics are more important than sports. Don’t some of the private high schools grant scholarships to some kids?
In regards to Baltimore and DC, if anybody is doing any pillaging it’s DeMatha in DC and Gilman in Baltimore.
@phillyboy
Go take a look in Maryland or Washington, DC and see how that is working. Dunbar (Baltimore) and Friendship pillage their areas, pay no attention to grades and graduate less than half of their football team. That’s what Imhotep is going to be. AAU Football.
@Jeff
On minimum GPA, drugs, violence – it’s not just Philly even though I know you’re not saying it is. The kid from (I think Council Rock) went to a Big Ten school and beat his high school coach senseless. He was a repeat violent offender. I’m not saying who, but there was another public league kid out there who went FBS that I can tell you for a fact had a cocaine problem.
The Philly kids simply don’t always have the coaches pushing them. Depends on the school. Plus, what are mom and dad doing?
@Lance
It will keep on doing that. They won’t make it out of 12, even with Gore on the staff who is one heck of a coach. Not rooting against them but don’t think they have it up front yet. Those Burr teams had big boys to plow the road.
Hey, it’s not just Imhotep. You’ve only got a few “elite” catholic schools left that aren’t out blatantly recruiting.
Check out Imhoteps’Roster they picked up Williams’,Najee Goode andShayodd Chavis from West Catholic and are Loaded with Size all over the field..Can they get out of D-12 though to make a run?
to BRett, you are correct. My kid has to stay up late and balance schoolwork and sports. The culture of thinking one will play professional Sports, be an AMerican Idol star… are not life goals. Many families struggle finanically, but education needs to be valued right before sports. With such a small amount of kids going to the pro’s, the ones who fake it thru life using sports are left on the curb when it’s all over. There has to be a minimum GPA std, zero tolerance for drugs and brushes with the legal system. A kid does not have to be EInstein, but has to be respectful, humble and willing to be open to education.
@ Brett:
A catholic school is a type of private school. And the charter school happens to be a public school. The charter schools are subsidized by taxpayer money. It’s just that they have more independence in regards to management. I hear what you’re sayin’ but I wouldn’t begrudge the Phila. public schools (traditional or charter) any positive developments. Give ’em a break. It’s not like any Phila. public has been a state power in football lately. Besides, what comes around goes around. Now W. Catholic knows how it feels.
Wondering why no one is talking about Mount Carmel? I Definitely have them in my AA Top 5
@phillyboy –
Dave Williams didn’t transfer from a private school to a public school. He transferred from a catholic school to a charter school. In other words he was recruited to go there. He went with former West Catholic OC Al Crosby. So are many other players around the area.
It’s the same nonsense that West Catholic did on a different level. Nobody graduates, nobody goes to college. Meat market. Anyone in the know in Philadelphia knows where Williams is going to college anyway. Where his coach gets paid.
Brian will flees them this year anyway. Absolute joke.
@ Chuck:
Actually, Beck isn’t all that nice, he’s a salty bastard at times.
Why do you assume NP has to have outrageous talent every year? They can’t recruit. They have graduates every year, and at some point they have to groom green players. Reason they stay good is Beck!
Those 3 Eastern finals they lost, who do you think they were playing, a bunch of patseys? They were superb teams. they went on to win the states.
I think Beck & Gordon ( LaSalle) are maybe the 2 best coaches in the East. many others are up there too ( including Schmidt).
I suspect you do write childrens books, ’cause you do have one helluva imagination
@fred
hey i a d2 guy but in my opinion the coaching mentality in the area has to change. i beleve we have the kids to compete with the rest of the state . we play tough physical football in this area,but when you get to the state level you just cant run everbody over
@phillyguy,
Dick Beck lost three eastern finals that he had no business losing. He almost makes the state championship game and loses with a really horrible offensive effort. Luckily he’s not a childrens book writer because he’s got no imagination.
Winning percentage is a joke, the dude with that kind of talent consistently underachieves. He’s slightly better than Mark Schmidt as a head football coach. WOW. Beck’s a really really nice guy, he’s not a head coach.
@Buddy,
Pennsbury opens up at Easton. Easton played away last season at Pennsbury.
@ Mika:
Sounds good. This one is getting a little unwelding.
Great job everyone! Good stuff!
When the season starts I was thinking of starting a new thread called, “2012 HS Football Season”.
Would you rather keep this thread going or start a new one? It’s up to all of you. Let me know. Thanks!
Yeah, that 2003 North Penn team was the real deal, very talented and powerful. Going into the games there was a palpable confidence that they were going to dominate and they did. I miss those days. Heck, I think they could have held their own against Bosco or some of these other high powered programs.
First game for Easton is at Pennsbury. If they beat them handily, then Easton might be for real.
I believe their 2nd game is Parkland. That will tell us a lot also.
Chuck:
I believe you’re correct. I think Beck has a .850 winning percentage while at North Penn, and that’s been over 10 years now. Probably the winningest AAAA team in the East, possibly the state, for the last 10 years.
Mark D, spot on about D2
@ Lance: not sure how good W. Catholic may be this year, but to the best of my knowledge their highly regarded running back transfered to a public school. That sure doesn’t help any. By the way, nice to see a player transfer from private to public.
thanks guys great job on an update on d 11 .we will see early what del valley has, and how they approch this season as they open with parkland.like i said before d2 has to get away from that no throwing on 1st down 9 men in box defence thinking.
@ Jack
I think I pretty much agree with your assessment of D-11 4A this year, but I would have to say that Whitehall is probably a couple of steps ahead of Freedom, but we haven’t seen how Freedom’s new acquisitions (er…I mean transfers) can play in the higher classification. I know it’s early, but Whitehall brings back a good amount of talent plus some good younger players. They may even be right up there with Parkland. I think they will be extremely competitive with everyone they play this year.
They will have 2 starters back on the OL and a 3rd who got a lot of time last year, a good tight end, a very quick Scat Back, and of course their QB who is getting a lot of FCS attention. They will also have good size at WR (6’2″ & 6’3″). On D they will have back their whole DL, very quick LBs and 2/3 of their secondary.
@Jeff I understand Del Val will be good, I was just talking about the District 11 teams in the LVC. I don’t think Del Val would beat any of the top 5 teams in the LVC even this year when the drop off is pretty big after the top 2-3 teams. Of course I am biased I live here. Unless a team comes down with a player like Nate Eachus I don’t see it happening. With the way the sub-region could play out I can definetly see Del Val in the final. I mean Del Val certainly would beat an MVC district 11 team. Del Val will regardless be high seed in the sub-region. Then I think they beat a team like a Freedom, Whitehall, Nazareth having them to go on the road. With all the 3A teams on Del Val schedule it might be tough for them to get the 1 seed at 10-0 vs 9-1 LVC team.
@Jeff,
We will have to wait and see. D-2 AAAA rarely does well against LVC competition in the subregional playoffs. Hopefully D-2 continues to put Hazleton type teams on the field so the playoffs are a lot more interesting than LVC rematches!
I am not discounting DV because simply I know absolutely nothing about them. If they win or compete with Parkland then obviously they are for real. Parkland is going to be tough!
to Jack, DV is right up there with Easton and Parkland. Week 1 will determine how things shake out for them and Sub Regional.
I’m a fan of AA football being a coach for Beaver Falls of D-7.. I realy like Mount Carmel, Wyomissing,Montoursville..Any thoughts on these teams? I am wondering how good Phil. West Catholic will be also?