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Written by: on Monday, January 1st, 2018. Follow David Mika on Twitter.


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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2018 season.

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  1. Friday Night Lights says:

    @Knight Time

    I agree, they do have some weapons. I am also curious as to what Intrieri can add when he’s healthy. The have lacked a tight end which is something they have had dating back to Ralph Reeves. Reeves, Earle, Vasger, Thomas have all been weapons from the tight end position is recent years. Hopefully Beck can get it figured out because I do like the potential of this team. Especially with Robinson’s ability to run. He is their best running threat at QB since Hearns. They have plenty of games to try and develop so here’s to hoping.

  2. Knight Time says:

    @Knight Time
    You are spot on with your overall assessment of North Penn. Beck was working on the passing game when they were up by 28 points. North Penn has the receivers to get the job done. Jon Haynes, Shamar Edwards (when they go to multiple receivers), Evan Spann and Kaleem Corbin can make plays but lets hope the qb Solomon Robinson can get in sync. He has a good arm but needs to be more consistent with his accuracy. If he cleans that up the sky is the limit because North Penn would be well balanced with their strong running game already in place.

  3. Friday Night Lights says:

    @Knight Time

    NP should definitely run the table and I think that should be enough to give them the 1 seed despite what Coatesville and Garnet Valley do. Same goes for the Downingtowns I believe. That would be extremely important for North Penn. They would still have to beat at least one VERY good team on their way to the final if they are to get there though and that is definitely not a given. They need to continue to develop that passing game. It has shown some flashes but is not consistent enough. You can tell Beck is trying to work on it though. When Pennridge started coming back they went back to pounding the ball, which they do very well, but it will take more than that.

  4. Jeff H. says:

    @Mgguy – because I don’t think there’s a 6A team in D3 that’s going to beat Coatesville, that’s why. I realize there are multiple state champions from D3, but not many at the highest classification, if memory serves me correctly CV in 1992 and CD in 2011 are the only teams from D3 to win at the highest classification, and I just don’t see it happening this year, that’s all.

    I know the North Penn faithful will disagree, but I don’t like their chances in a game against Coatesville, even at home, we’ll see, that’s why they play the games.

  5. Knight Time says:

    @Friday Night Lights
    Book it now. North Penn runs the table during the regular season and will get #1 seed.

  6. JoePa says:

    Wilson West Lawn had Manheim Central on the ropes until the beginning of the 4th quarter when the Bulldogs fell apart terribly. Their QB was somewhat comfortable in first half but exploded in the second half. He appears only to focus on one receiver and then when pressure comes he gets rattled and that’s when miscues happen and they are costly turnovers into the opposing team to score. It happened in the first game and now the fourth game. Wilson needs to reevaluate their QB issue NOW……………. People tell me that they have a sophomore QB that has good potential. Maybe it’s time for a change. They have at least 3 tough games ahead with Manheim Township (Away), Warwick (Away) and Hempfield home sort of. This game is being played at the Reading Phils baseball complex. A change may well be what this team needs for the future.

  7. Mgguy says:

    So why do you assume that D3 is “bye” and D1 wins. Multiple D3 State Champions.

  8. Jeff H. says:

    @ Uncle T – I tried to post earlier in the day but guess the moderator didn’t like the verbiage I used, so I’ll try again. District 11 got the short end of the stick with the bracket realignment, they still have to play SJP in the quarterfinals, and the winner of that game will take on the WPIAL winner, which will either be PR or North Allegheny. That’s assuming the WPIAL winner beats State College in the quarterfinals, which is no sure thing as SC is very good this year and expect their game against the WPIAL winner to be very competitive. So, for the D11 winner to get to Hershey they would have to beat SJP in the quarterfinals and then likely the WPIAL winner in the semi-finals.

    The District 1 winner will play the District 3 winner in the eastern semi-final, as both districts enter the state playoffs in the semi-final round. At this point the DI winner will definitely be favored to get to Hershey, especially if it’s Coatesville.

    As I stated before I have no inside information on how the PIAA operates, but the rumors I’ve heard were DI and especially D3 lobbied the PIAA to change the bracket and flip the D12/D11 winner to the west and the D3 winner to the east, makes no sense geographically but that’s how the PIAA operates.

  9. Newman says:

    @Uncle T
    Quakertown is not in the same conference as North Penn. They’re in the conference with all the teams you listed on their schedule.

  10. LBCfbfan says:

    @ Uncle T North Penn and Quakertown aren’t in the same conference for Football. All other sports they are (since those are based solely on geography).

  11. Jeff H. says:

    @Uncle T – District 11 got screwed, they still play SJP in the quarterfinals, the winner of that will take on the WPIAL winner in the semi-final, assuming they beat State College in the quarterfinal, which is no sure thing because SC is very good this year. So, in order to just make it to Hershey the D11 winner would have to beat SJP in the quarterfinals and then the SC-WPIAL winner in the semi-finals. The D1 winner will play the D3 winner in the other semi-final, and right now the D1 winner would be the favorite in that game, especially if it’s Coatesville.

    Like I stated previously I have no inside information but sure seems from the outside the PIAA was getting pressure from D1 and particularly D3 to flip D12 to the western side of the bracket and D3 to the eastern side, of course it makes absolutely no sense geographically but that’s PIAA logic for you.

  12. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Uncle T

    My understanding is that non-PIAA schools classifications are set using the PIAA standards, so Middletown South should be classified as a 6A school due to their enrollment. The NJSIAA has them as a Group IV classification (Group V is the highest) in the state with an enrollment of 1,096.

    As I mentioned in a previous post they only play 8 games during the designated PIAA 10 week season so Coatesville will likely be impacted by that in regards to bonus points, unless run the table and go 7-1.

  13. Friday Night Lights says:

    Ok, I’ll bite…

    I will preface this by saying I am a North Penn fan through and through. Coatesville can be beat. I will say it again, Coatesville can be beat. Now, that being said, I must be honest when I say they are the definitive favorite in D1 and for a team to beat them in districts it will take a monumental effort with just about everything going right. I also think it will take a team that can play a physical style ball and control the clock to beat them. North Penn and Garnet Valley come to mind. One thing North Penn has been able to do this year is run the ball. If North Penn can go on long, clock consuming drives and limit the number of possessions Coatesville has then maybe they can keep it manageable with a shot to win in the end. North Penn does have somewhat of a three headed monster in the run game With a dangerous QB when he runs, a very good back in Shamar Edwards, and a tough running fullback in Julian White. NP is starting 5 new O linemen this year so it is reasonable to think they will continue to improve. Getting the 1 or 2 seed in Districts would also be important. I would much rather play Cville at Crawford Stadium on the grass if we are able to earn our way there. In the end, Coatesville is extremely talented and I for one recognize that talent. I would love to see NP get a shot at them but at the same time I would certainly be worried. Coatesville deserve a lot of respect.

  14. Kmac says:

    Uncle T

    Quakertown is in the American Conference of the Suburban One League. The teams you listed ARE their conference.

  15. Kevin X says:

    You D2 guys still out there?? Two big games this week, Scranton Prep @ Valley View and Berwick/WVW. Is this the week someone is finally going to score on Prep?? Thoughts/predictions??

  16. Kevin X says:

    Uncle T, Q-Town is not in the same conference as North Penn. They are in with UDub, P-W, Wiss, UMoreland, H-H, and Cheltenham. You would think geographically they would be in with the likes of NP, Pennridge, the Central Buckes (mmm, spelling??) and Soudy.

    Also, and if someone can actually confirm this, I believe, based on the “preliminary” proposed brackets that I saw some time ago for 6A, unfortunately for the the EPC teams, they (D11) still get D12 in state quarters. Then the D11/12 winner gets the winner of the D7/D2-6-8-10 (did I miss anyone??) in the semis. D1/D3 meet in the other semi. 5A is laid out in similar fashion, now D1 gets D3 in the semis (hey no more Wood in the semis for D1!!!) and D7 meets (I’ll just say the rest of 5A) in the other semi final. 4A appears to be the same as the last 2 years, which is looking like it is going to be a lot of deja vu all over again……

  17. Chief Red Raider says:

    Knight time: I remember 2016. Ortega was a Freshman, Young was a soph., and no Bryant (and C’ville scored 25 points too — not a lockdown IMO). Most importantly, however, I was talking about this year’s team. You’re comparing apples and oranges. If you want to go back to 2016, why not go back to 2017? (More recent and more similar to this year’s team)

  18. Uncle T says:

    To all Suburban One folks, how is it possible that Quakertown does not play North Penn even though they are in the same 7 team conference? Their next 5 games are against Upper Moreland, Cheltenham, Wissahickon, Upper Dublin, and Plymouth-Whitemarsh. Is this standard operating procedure in the SOL?

  19. Uncle T says:

    @ Buddy

    My extended family is mostly all DelCo (frown), so I tend to pay more attention to what goes on there than I do elsewhere. I’d be very surprised if GV doesn’t win out. Haverford was their biggest test of the year, and they gutted that one out for the W (keep an eye out for Haverford- they have lots of skill around a 3 year starter at QB. They’re not going to be an easy out in the playoffs, reminding me stylistically of Perk Valley 2 years ago when Sturm was at QB. They should win the rest of their games as well, and be a dangerous 5-10 seed). 5A Springfield DelCo is 3-0, but they have struggled big time in their last 2 and don’t seem to have the level of offense they had a year ago. For comparison, GV crushed a slippery slope Ridley program 55-21, 500+ yards rushing, mercy rule at halftime, with 2 of Ridley’s scores being kickoff and fumble returns and the other after the mercy rule; Springfield needed 3 overtimes to beat Ridley after not scoring at all in regulation. I’d put GV as at least a 2 touchdown favorite over Springfield right now with blowout potential. The only other team that has a remote possibility of challenging GV in the Central League is 5A Radnor, who has one of those teams with a core that has been together since pee wee days. It would still take the collective game of their lives to knock off GV, whose depth on 3 platoons is incredible for a high school team.

    @Jeff H

    Interesting, possibly shady, theory about D12 going out West. So I take it that the D1 winner will play the D11/D? winner in the semis? Parkland/Freedom/Emmaus must be dancing a jig over not staring at SJP in the quarterfinals again.

    @Bleed Red & Black

    Good math. It looks like it will be close between Coatesville and GV for the 2 seed, since one of the DTowns will likely have 2 losses and either Springfield DelCo or Haverford will have 2. Weird how it’s gonna work out better for the Raiders to not play Unionville this year. Do you know what kind of points, if any, C’ville gets for that Middletown game? That could be the deciding factor in what would be a huge difference for either team being home or away in the district semis.

  20. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Knight Time

    2016 when Ortega and Bryant were freshman and Aaron Young was a sophomore? Is this year’s North Penn team trotting out Ricky Johns, Owen Thomas, Justis Henley, and Reece Udinkski?

    Not sure if this NP team is the caliber of that team. It took an almost 300-yard effort and 4 TD by the best RB in the country (Swift) to knock them off from playing for the state championship.

  21. Knight Time says:

    @bleed red& black and @ chief red raider
    Outscoring the tougher opponents and can’t seeing anybody locking them down. How quickly you forget 2016 and the District Playoffs with the great skill players and high scoring team of that year

  22. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Uncle T

    I agree that Shanahan dropping to 4A could come back and hurt Coatesville and both DTown’s at some point, but I think teams in every league outside of the SOL National and SOL Continental are in similar situations. Coatesville and both Dtown’s have 3 5A schools and Shanahan 4A on there schedule so if they win all of them they will get 460 pts. Garnet Valley, on the other hand, has 4 5A schools which will net them 480 points. The 20 points are essentially 2 extra wins awarded by bonus points. The 100 point difference North Penn would have by playing all 6A schools is a little more difficult to overcome.

    There are only 7 undefeated 6A D1 teams remaining (Cville, Dtown East, Dtown West, Garnet Valley, North Penn, Quakertown and Truman) if standings are correct and I didn’t miss somebody.

    The big separator is going to be the bonus points come the end of the year. Coatesville already has 170 bonus points (tops among the undefeated teams) at the moment thanks to strong starts by basically everybody on their schedule outside of Cumberland Valley and Henderson. North Penn, on the other hand, has the lowest with 90 bonus points due to slow starts by pretty much everybody on their schedule. Granted all of that changes once conference games start this week and the likes of Shanahan (2-1)and WC East (3-0) both have to play Cville and Dtown East and West, and should be 3 losses.

    Can’t speak for anybody else but Coatesville is going to rack up a ton of bonus points by having Harrisburg, Dtown East, Dtown West, Rustin and possibly Middletown South on their schedule. Although they could also be hurt by Rustin deciding to play the 2nd scrimmage thus only playing 9 games and Middletown only having 8 games scheduled before the conclusion of the PIAA defined 10 week season.

  23. Kevin X says:

    BR&B, please re-read my post. I’ll specify…..”not impressed last night with the Red Raiders, at least from the middle of the second quarter after the muffed punt.” If you or anyone else who is familiar with C’Ville and watched from that point on (muffed punt), I really don’t know what else to say. Up 28-0, complete domination, getting the ball back at worse mid-field, looking at going up 35-0 and then not putting them away at that point. In fact, they were outscored 19-7 from that point on, and the D did not stop CV for the rest of the game (3 TDs and the half). That from a top ranked team playing at home, with an x-tra day of rest/prep, against a struggling, re-building team, yes, that does not impress me. I’m not saying I’m not impressed with the Red Raiders and their past history (and a congrats are in order for being the first D1 team to reach 700 wins with that win Friday night), or this year’s team overall, just that game the other night. I can see Will Howard picking that D apart, or Garvey Jonassaint running all night long on that D, if they play like that again. Yes, they are still in my mind the favorite to win the D1 6A title, but North Penn, Garnet, D-East and West will have a lot to say about that as Uncle T laid out.

  24. Chief Red Raider says:

    You’re the man Bleed Red and Black — nice synopsis concerning Coatesville. If they can stay healthy, they should go pretty far. I am a bit concerned with the defense, but maybe they will just outscore the tougher opponents — I don’t see any team locking them down.

  25. Knight Time says:

    @Uncle T
    No one is belittling C’Villa but at the same time we are not going to act like they are going to just tip toe through the tulips in District 1…….Please!

  26. Jeff H. says:

    @ Uncle T – just my opinion and have no information to support it but I think some of the powers that be in the PIAA got tired of the 6A final (and previously 4A) always being District 12 vs. District 7, so for the next 2 yr cycle that’s not going to happen because they moved District 12 to the other side of the bracket, so D12 vs. D7 will occur in the semi-finals and not the final. State College will be in the mix as they will take on the D7 winner in the quarterfinals, but as of now I would expect either Pine Richland or North Allegheny to play SJP in the “western” final in a couple of months.

    @Foleman – great win for BC over McDonogh, I thought they lose by 10-14 points. Certainly appears BC and McDevitt and headed for a rematch in the D3 final, and since Imhotep is now on the other side of the bracket the winner of that game has an excellent chance to face Imhotep in Hershey for the title (Erie Prep is down a good bit this year, don’t think either ECP or TJ from the WPIAL will beat Imhotep in the semi-finals).

    Also surprised like most of you that Township beat CD at their place, looks like they are a strong contender to repeat.

    Regarding Coatesville I think most neutral observers would have them as the favorite to win DI, yes, I realize because of the playoff format they will likely have to beat several very good teams in a row, possibly GV and NP on the road, I think the team that poses the biggest threat to them is GV, don’t think NP has the front 7 on defense to slow down Ortega and company, and doesn’t have the firepower on offense to outscore them.

  27. Buddy says:

    allright. name goes in top block ( under “leave a reply”), next block email, comment under “website”.

    Or what?

  28. Buddy says:

    C’ville has dates with both D’towns. Could be a wrestle there.

    Will GV go undefeated?

  29. getty21 says:

    Saw film on Malvern Prep vs LaSalle, Explorers had all the chances in the world. TO’s killed them. A young team that will be back.

    They have 2 Freshman that start at LB. #22 Carter is a absolute stud, he was the best player on the field at times maybe 8 Tackles 2-3 Sacks. I was also very impressed with Lasalles 6’6 WR, man is this kid good. D1 material. BIG, Great Hands. He has to get the ball

    Malvern was so so, Scored on the same play 3x Rocket Screens

  30. Uncle T says:

    Coatesville is the team with the highest ceiling, but they are set up for a difficult D1 path. It’s still a little early, but the way things look, North Penn and Garnet Valley are both likely to run the table and their schedule points will give them the 1 and 2 seeds respectively. Bishop Shanahan dropping to 4A is gonna be costly for C’ville’s points, but they should win out as well and get the 3 seed if they are as good as advertised. That will likely mean either DTown East or West (who both look quite legit), in the 2nd round. So we’re talking about a round 1 cakewalk, a home rivalry rematch against one of the DTowns in round 2, then 2 long road trips against GV and North Penn. That’s a tough ask, so they’ll have earned every bit of it if they just get back to where they were last year.

    Does anyone know why the PIAA moved D12 to western side of the playoff bracket this year?

  31. District 3 Commish says:

    Bleed Red & Black – Coatesville has an awesome Team and a great tradition. Don’t let these grumpy old men get to you. Way too many positive things to talk about in high school football. Not sure why some need to belittle other teams to make their schools seem better.

  32. Bleed Red & Black says:

    To say that you weren’t impressed with Coatesville by watching 1 game is just plain ignorance. There are 2+ years of tape/film, newspaper articles, etc with the same core group of guys to prove that they are impressive. Since the trio of Ortega/Bryant/Young have been on the field together they are 27-4 with the only losses coming to start powerhouses SJP, Cumberland Valley (twice) and North Penn. In that time frame, they are averaging over 42 points a game.

    You can go back to plays for teams every year and pick apart why players did certain things. They are high school 15-18 year old KIDS. They are going to make mistakes. Professionals NFL players do stupid stuff and they are getting paid millions of dollars. Coatesville basically did whatever they wanted in the 1st half against Cumberland Valley hence the 28-7 score with the only points coming off the fumbled/muffed punt. They only had 2 possessions in the 2nd half and scored on the 1st and ran the clock out on the 2nd.

    Is their stuff that Coatesville could improve on? Yes, of course, there are. But the same can be said about most high schools in the country at this point in their season. I would expect Coatesville as well as any other playoff team to be vastly improved come playoff time compared to week 2-3. Coatesville is has been inconsistent on the defensive side of the ball stopping the run the last 2 games, but they are also working in a handful of guys with limited varsity snaps at both the LB and DL positions.

    The “lack of discipline” and penalties have been an issue forever at Coatesville. At times I think the calls come out of reputation more than anything. They won the D1 championship last year with those “issues” as well as making it to the state championship game in 2012 with those “issues”. You can go back to the last 10-15 years if not longer and find Coatesville getting the raw end of the deal on many occasions when it comes to penalties and refs calls.

    Coatesville is going to be right in the thick of the D1 playoff talk and trip to Hershey talk(barring injury) come the end of the year. Coatesville is going to score points, the question will be is there a team in the area with that can either match their offensive firepower or make enough plays on the defensive side of the ball to give them a chance to win. Coatesville isn’t a one trick pony if you sell out to Aaron Young from running the ball Rickie is either going to beat you in the passing game or with his feet. If you try to take the passing game of Rickie/Dapree away then Aaron is going to kill you on the ground. They’ve got 5 guys right now with D1 offers/commitments (Young, Ortega, Bryant, Santiago and Holmes) as well as a couple other at least that have a chance to play high level ball (Nichols, Thompson, Kirk)

  33. District 3 Commish says:

    Hey Derrick and Mike Smoll. I didn’t see the Central – Warwick game so I can’t comment on his performance, but I do know that Warwick has three D1 Linemen in Big Rucci (Wisconsin) Little Rucci (Wisconsin) and Coomer (Delaware) so they are certainly a formidable team. Also, Simon already has offers from Pitt and West Virginia so evidently some college coaches feel he is an OK QB.

    Did not envision Township beating CD. That’s makes them the favorite now in D3 6A.

    Cocalico with a big win over Mifflin makes them 3-0 to date and a challenger to Central maybe??? Mifflin is struggling at 0-3 however.

    Three former LL QB’s in the NFL. Nagy and Reich are coaching and Henne is back-up with the Chiefs. That is amazing! I’m guessing there isn’t another High School league with two former players as head coaches in the NFL.

    BC with a nice win over McDonough 14-13. McDonough went for two at the end of the game and missed.

  34. Jay says:

    I do think that Coatesville will win the east this year, but there will be a lot of tough teams in the District 1 playoffs, they may have to get through a really good North Penn team and then SJP after that, but I think they can do it. And if not, I’m still just really excited for this season.

  35. Chief Red Raider says:

    Sounds like Knight Time is making a prediction — we’ll see if “any” playoff team with a good defense and a run game game can take out Coatesville. It’s a bit of cheap shot to say C’ville can be taken out year after year because of their emotions and undisciplined play — they won District 1 last year (beat GV by the way) and were a play away from going to the state championship (and they didn’t lose because of their emotions or penalties). I’m definitely not in awe of C’ville, they are H.S. kids after all, but if anyone has seen many of their games over the past few years, it’s hard to deny their talent. Young, Ortega, and Bryant are genuine D1 prospects — I just want to enjoy watching them light up the scoreboard for a little bit longer. By the way, I like that “Greatest show on turf” thing. It’s been said before, but it’s still pretty catchy.

  36. Knight Time says:

    To all the followers in this forum in awe of CVille and their greatest show on turf. Their Achilles heel for years has been their discipline (unecessary penalties) and can be taken out of their game because year after year they play with their emotions on their sleeves. Any playoff team with a good defense and can run the ball (NP and GV) can take them out

  37. Mike Smoll says:

    District 3 Commish watch the QB you recommended on TV last night for 2 1/2 Qtrs, a very good High School ball player, but “Definitely a Power 5 QB” seems to be a stretch, from the limited time I saw he’s got a lot of work til he’s in that company.

  38. Derrick says:

    @ Foleman. I watched Evan play last night on PCN. He is good, but I don’t see what you see. I have definitely seen better QB’s in high school.

  39. David Mika says:

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  40. Buddy says:

    Where is the scoreboard?

  41. Chief Red Raider says:

    Hey Kevin X, as a C’ville guy, I don’t necessarily disagree with you. However, it seemed to me that without all the penalties (or lack of penalties) it would have easily been a mercy rule game. The big question is: were most of the penalties (or no calls) legit? If so, then I’m more in line with your thinking. I definitely saw some poor tackling from C’ville and some secondary issues, but I think it will take a very strong defensive team to slow down their offense — Ortega’s arm is fine. I think the Downingtown games could be good, but I think they will be shooting matches and C’ville has the heavy artillery.

  42. Dennis Pascoe says:

    Last night Southern Columbia freshman Gavin Garcia 3 TD this kid can play. Southern has so many weapons. This could very well be the best Southern team to date. And that comes from a Dunmore bucks fan.

  43. Kevin X says:

    Also, and you C’Ville folks feel free to jump down my throat or set me straight, but I was not impressed last night with the Red Raiders, at least from the middle of the second quarter after the muffed punt. He should have never been near that punt. Then the penalties. And the run defense. Ortega’s mid to long range passing accuracy. Does make the games against the two Downingtowns’ in October a lot more intriguing.

  44. Kevin X says:

    Why didn’t CV attempt an onside kick in the middle of 4th qtr after their 3rd TD?? That was the only way they had a chance to win that game if they got the ball back right then. That made no sense to me.

  45. Chief Red Raider says:

    Watched the Coatesville/CV game. Coatesville had a ton of penalties — not sure how many were legit (some seemed ridiculous). 3 holding plays in a row? Maybe. Not sure CV had any penalties (even though an end left early on half a dozen plays). A win is a win, but with all the talent C’ville has they need to clean it up. I’ll give C/V credit for not folding after the initial onslaught.

  46. Foleman says:

    Derrick, this comes from someone who has seen Simon play, he’s the real deal and will you will probably be watching him on TV on Saturday’s in a few years. He will probably wind up at a school like Pitt or Wisconsin and tear it up.

  47. Foleman says:

    Jeff H Berks Catholic 14-13 over McDonough BC led 14-0 with a little over 2 minutes to go, McDonough scored twice and went for 2 but was stopped. Then they recovered an onside kick but BC held. Fantastic game. Gives District 3 some cred, was surprised Manheim Township beat Central Dauphin. 6A up for grabs in D3

  48. Mike A says:

    Coatesville uses big first quarter to defeat Cumberland Valley.

    Coatesville 35 Cumberland Valley 19.

    After falling behind 28-0 to one of the top 6A programs in the state this year, CV showed signs of grit, determination, and growing up a little with several nice long drives over the last three quarters. CV closed to 28-13 late in the third quarter but Coatesville sealed the victory with an impressive drive culminating in a touchdown with just over 10 minutes left. CV answered with a TD drive of their own but time was running out and Coatesville was able to run out the clock. CV hung in there and battled back after the initial Coatesville onslaught but D1 players Aaron Young and Ricky Ortega for Coatesville were just too much for the CV defense to handle. Coatesville improves to 3-0 while CV starts the season with an un-CV like 0-3 record.

  49. Derrick says:

    Thank You Evan Simon’s dad. Nice touch adding a couple smaller opinions on other boys to throw us off.

  50. Jeff H. says:

    Really nice to see some of the crossover games in the early season in D3, Berks has been criticized on this board and elsewhere in years past for having a cupcake schedule in the regular season, which I think clearly hurt them in the state playoffs when it came time to take on Erie Prep. To their credit they’ve significantly upgraded their schedule this year, will have their hands full with McDonogh tonight and will do well to keep it within 2 scores, but playing teams like CD and McDonogh and Malvern Prep in a couple of weeks will get them better prepared for the playoffs.

    Also nice to see McDevitt play Middletown, expect this game to be a battle but think McDevitt with Chase Diehl and company have too much firepower and will end up winning by a couple of scores.

    Game of the week among big schools in the WPIAL is Pittsburgh Central Catholic travelling to North Allegheny, those 2 along with Pine Richland have won the last 8 WPIAL titles at the largest classification, and one of those 3 will win again this year, there’s a very large gap between them and the rest of the 6A schools. I like NA at home tonight in a slugfest, they mercy ruled Norwin last week in a game I thought was going to be pretty close, as Norwin has a good QB and some nice skill players, but NA dominated in the trenches.

  51. District 3 Commish says:

    Mike A and Jeff H – Thanks for the feedback and also the update on your area schools. Let’s try to make this an informative forum as much as possible.

    I would encourage everyone to try to see Evan Simon of Manheim Central before he graduates. He is a Jr this year. He will definitely be a starting QB for a Power 5 college and has a chance to go further. I believe he is more advanced at this age than some other D3 QB’s that have played on Sundays. Doesn’t mean he will surpass them, but he is a complete player. An actual passing QB not a high school / college running QB He beat Mifflin in the D3 final with a shoulder fake that froze the corner and then threw a perfect ball for a TD……Game Over! I am not from Central either so I don’t want to hear that. He is special.

    Adam Burkhart from CD is incredibly physical. Probably won’t get D1 offers because of size but he is awesome to watch. Against BC he was the most physical LB for both teams. Watch his HUDL video for that game. He literally knocks people over to get to the ball. Amazing!

    Nick Singleton is a Freshman at Mifflin and is their best player. He will become their FB and his ceiling is very high. Amazing athlete.

    And another reminder that Wilson is at Manheim Central next Firday 9/14 @ 7pm. These schools have not played each other in about 5 years due to different classifications, but they have had some epic battles over the years. Two amazing programs that have been the standard in D3 along with McDevitt, CV and CD. Great fan bases and it will be a sellout. Amazing long tenured coaching staffs that have mutual respect for each other. Complex defensive schemes and players finish tackles. They have progressive offenses that have grown legendary QB’s such as Nagy, Smoker, Collins and Henne. This will be the best atmosphere at a high school game in Central PA all year……. and again next year at Wilson.

  52. Jeff H. says:

    @District 3 Commish – great summary, I’m from the Pittsburgh area but follow football statewide, my impression from afar when I saw CD handle Wilson and then beat BC 7-0 was they were the team to beat in 6A. Also agree with your assessment Coatesville will be in Hershey in December barring something totally unforeseen, if I was making a state poll I would have them #1 followed by SJP and Pine Richland,

    Regarding 5A I think Manheim Central has a good chance of making it to Hershey, appears they are better than any of the D1 teams in 5A, out here in the west the WPIAL is loaded in 5A this year with Gateway, Penn Hills, and McKeesport the top 3 in no particular order, and several other solid teams like Bethel Park and West Allegheny, whoever survives the WPIAL playoffs will likely play AW in the semi-finals, but early indications and the talk out East is this is not the same vintage AW team we’ve seen the last several years, time will tell, they are obviously still the team to beat in 5A until someone knocks them off.

  53. David Mika says:

    Hi guys. I am enjoying all the football talk on here. If anyone is interested in helping us promote high school football let me know. I am always looking for more reporters and if you want to send me a weekly recap of games in your district let me know.

    You can reach me at

    Thank you!

  54. Mike A says:

    @District 3 Commish Nice summary…pretty much right on the mark.
    Cumberland Valley Outlook for 2018:
    CV had 4 turnovers against Central York but the reality is this is probably the weakest and most inexperienced team CV had fielded in the last 20-30 years. They were hit very hard by graduation of some very good players.15-16 starters this year are basically JV players with little to no varsity experience. The pass defense has been nonexistent and the offense is inconsistent and mistake prone. There are several very skilled players and as the younger players get some experience they should improve but they lack the overall team speed and athleticism of past teams. A 5-5 record would be a successful season but 4-6 is more likely from what I have seen so far and the difficulty of the upcoming schedule. They will be very large underdogs (probably 3-4 TD’s) to Coatesville (mercy rule is possible) and considerable underdogs as well to CD and Harrisburg in the following weeks.

  55. District 3 Commish says:

    My humble opinion on district 3 big school classifications:

    – Central Dauphin is the team to beat in 6A. Have not seen a front 8 that strong in D3 in a long time. Plus they are all seniors. BC saw that first hand this week on their new home turf. I believe
    they will beat Manheim Township soundly this week.

    – CV is having a down year. Not enough team speed to win consistently at the 6A level this year.

    – Is this the year York County has a contender in D3 playoffs? Central York beat CV and is 2-0 and Red Lion is also 2-0.

    – Cedar Crest is a confident team. Will be interesting to see how that offense performs against MT, Hempfield and Wilson this year.

    – Wilson is very young, only starting 2 seniors on defense. A solid team this year but will not peak until next year. But keep an eye on Elijah Morales as he ran away from a very fast Mifflin
    secondary multiple times.

    – Warwick has two D1 beasts on their Lines in Rucci and Coomer. Not sure who can block these two?

    – MT has a nice QB in Kirk and some tall athletic players. If their line play is solid they will be strong again. Not CD strong, but a battle for the silver medal in D3.

    – No D3 team will beat Coatesville this year. Put Coatesville in the State Final….. Book It!!!!

    -5A is all about Manheim Central. D! QB and a beast of a line! Mifflin, Cedar Cliff, Cocalico, Warwick are all playing for 2nd.

    – Next weekend Wilson is at Central in a mandated LL crossover game. Central QB against Wilson running game!!!!!!! Central is the favorite in this game for sure.

    Good Day Good Sports!

  56. Joe breeze says:

    Looking for high quality videographer for highschool games in eastern pa area for the rest of the season. Professional quality.

  57. Kevin X says:

    Anyone know if the SJ Prep/St. Frances game will be televised or streamed live anywhere tonight?? Looking for a “Plan B” if going to be overly wet this evening.

  58. Paffer says:

    Why no squawking about how MCA is going to get pummeled by SCA tomorrow? I remember years when Mount Carmel supporters wouldn’t keep their traps quiet. Can’t wait to go sit in the “Toilet Bowl” and watch another SCA beat down!

  59. Kevin X says:

    Maybe its a Chester County thing, these Thursday night games before Labor Day weekend. I count 5 games in Chester County this evening…….

  60. Kevin X says:

    Thanks guys!!! Saw it initially slated for 6p, but more recently @7p. Trying to motivate myself for a little road trip this evening. Figure I’ll be down there next week for CV, so might be tough to head out there two weeks in a row. We’ll see.

    A few games today. Believe follow Ches Mont folk WC Rustin and WC Henderson are going at it as well, plus a few others. Middletown has a bit of a ride, easier to make I suppose on a Thursday then the Friday before a long 3-day summer holiday weekend. Makes for a short week for C’Ville coming off a Sat. road game in Harrisburg. But I believe this is M-Town’s fist game, so at least C’Ville got some work in. Yeah, guessing C’Ville might of had to take what was offered to them for an opponent this weekend. I see that Wood is idle this weekend. No takers there either. Oh well, would of loved to have seen that match-up.

    As far as Garnet and North Penn, both will be there high in the rankings I am assuming when all is said and done. GV, of their 10 games, 6 are against 5A schools. Their schedule is OK, not overly tough. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them run the table. All of NP’s games are against 6A competition, and a tougher schedule. If they can escape the next 3 unscathed (or even drop one of the games), good chance they will run the table as well and probably a top 4 seeding (and minimum of 2 home playoff games). Wild card in all of this IMO is Pennridge. A good team with an all 6A schedule against fairly decent teams (similar to NP) and who made the D1 6A semi’s last year. Let the fun and games continue!!!!!

  61. PastorZack says:

    Coatesville’s game time is 7pm…they just moved it back last week.

    I think they heard alot of feedback and pushed it back last minute.

    First home game of the season, should have a decent crowd before the holiday weekend.

  62. Cobra01 says:

    2018 ratings?

  63. David Mika says:

    I am working on them, Cobra01

  64. Cobra01 says:

    Where are the 2018 Rankings?

  65. Bleed Red & Black says:


    I would assume they would be classified as a 6A team. NJSIAA has them as a Group IV classification (Group V is the highest) in the state with an enrollment of 1,096.

    I agree they need all the bonus points they can get for playoff seeding. Hurts having only Dtown East & West and Avon Grove as the only 6a schools in the Ches-Mont National. They will be losing points every week against the 5A West Chester schools (East, Henderson and Rustin) and 4A Shanahan.

  66. Bleed Red & Black says:

    Kevin X,

    Game tomorrow is 7pm!

    Does anybody have a clue as to why they are playing on a Thursday night? Believe last year they played at Cumberland Valley the Friday of Labor Day weekend. Not sure if Jersey has some weird rule not allowing teams to play on a day that schools are closed or if it. Could also be because this was basically the only team that showed any interest in playing them this week.

  67. Kevin X says:

    @PastorZack, et al……What time is the C’ville game tomorrow, 6p or 7p??? I’ve seen it listed at both times.

  68. Buddy says:

    Does this work?

  69. PastorZack says:

    Any comparison for size of school that Middletown South High (NJ) is and how that you transfer over to PIAA division for points purposes? Coatesville needs all the extra points they can get just to keep up with GV and NP since Bishop Shanahan moving down to 4A. Sometimes these conference affiliations hurt going into playoff time. I’d much rather play GV or NP at home rather than away come playoff time.

    NP (wet and long) grass could hinder the speed come playoff time and just having to play ground and pound with GV in Delco is not something that I’d want to revisit. Too much for cardiac arrest.

  70. Knight Time says:

    @Friday Night Lights, not serious will return in a few weeks

    To everyone else thanks for the history on Heartbreak Ridge.

  71. FridayNightLights says:

    @Knight Time

    Any idea if Intrieri’s knee is serious? Hoping to have Edwards back for La Salle but cant rush head injuries with kids.

  72. SkinsFan says:

    Knight Time –

    Neshaminy’s current playing field was completed in time for the 1956 season (the new school was finished for the 1954-1955 school year but some construction continued for a few more years and that included sports fields so the ‘Skins played at the old field in “downtown” Langhorne for two seasons). Then notably the concrete stands were put in just in time for the 1963 season (prior to that they were using “standard” wooden bleachers) while the official name back then was Playwicki Field or the Neshaminy Athletic Field.

    Anyway, from 1956 through 1965 Neshaminy played very well at home. And aware of that fact, Dick Dougherty (the head of the Sports Department at the Bucks County Courier-Times) had it in mind while he was writing an article just prior to the Pennsbury game in ’65 (that was late in the season with Neshaminy having just one more game after the Falcons contest and Pennsbury might have had one more too). The game was at Neshaminy and Dougherty, knowing the ‘Skins record, was describing how difficult it was for a visiting team to win there (Neshaminy’s tally “at home” to that point and at their home field from 1956 to 1965 was actually 55-4-4). So looking to be colorful, no doubt, Dougherty referenced Neshaminy’s field as “Heartbreak Ridge” for visitors — and it stuck.

    Then part of the reason for the use of the “Ridge” term is due to geography (the “Heartbreak” is understandable). In that regard, the school’s location is right at the edge of the land mass that would form or be part of the more mountainous region leading up to the Appalachians (that would be to the north and west of the school, generally). To the south and east of that site is the beginning of the flatter land mass that runs through that part of Lower Bucks County and then New Jersey through to the Atlantic Ocean. Thus, there is a steep drop off from the school site down to the Neshaminy Creek (to the north and west where the Creek is the boundary of the school grounds) and then also to the “flatlands” to the south and east (and all of that is not far from the field’s location). Thus, and as you would suspect, the school grounds and the field essentially sit on the high top of a “ridge” area and which allowed “it” to fit nicely into Mr. Dougherty’s article.

  73. mark says:

    Attended the Valley View Wallenpaupack game friday night.Not really sure how good either team is .but boy what a war in the trenches! One of the most physical games i have seen in some time and some really big time hitting.Play either of those teams you better buckle up the chin strap !!!

  74. Knight Time says:

    @mick, Robinson had no time to throw ball all night (all new starters on NP o line this year). If rb/lb Edwards didn’t suffer concussion in 1st half and lb/te Intreri, knee on opening kick off remained in game it wouldn’t have been that close nor would have gone to OT with our without Manzyk

  75. William says:

    I was at NP/Neshaminy game on Friday. Wow. So glad I made the trip. I agreed with the choice to go for 2, and thought Neshaminy was rolling and would score. I knew that 5 would get the ball, I just didn’t think he would be stopped. NP QB Robinson came up big when he had to. Honestly, Neshaminy would have won the game if one of the following three things didn’t happen. #5 dropped a long pass. #25 dropped a sure TD pass and tipped it to NP. #5 was assed a roughing the passer penalty (which I thought was BS). Neshaminy QB was on the run all night. My group questioned why he didn’t throw more. He showed great composure in the 2 minute drill. Definitely helped us by him not passing more. Anyway, a great game by both sides. I am hoping for a rematch in November.

  76. Kmac says:

    Knight Time

    Newspaper man, the late Dick Dougherty initiated the name Heartbreak Ridge in a news article about Neshaminy in the mid 1960s. Since they opened the stadium in 1956 they were something like 55-4 there at the time, and Dougherty felt it was heartbreak for most opponents coming in. The name stuck. Check out the Neshaminy football website, it is one of the best you will find.

  77. Mick says:

    Knight time,
    It was a great game at Neshaminy. Couple things I noticed: North Penn QB did not look good most of the game but did make a few big throws in the 4th. Neshaminys line on both sides of the ball needs to get stronger. QB on the run every time he drops back. Manzyk js unbelievable, but he can not do it alone. This kid is all over the field and can chase down anyone. Great acceleration
    No disrespect to the coaches and players but without this kid they may win 4 games. Give the Redskins credit, though, this game was over but they always find a way to come back. Steve Wilmot excellent coach and great guy/role model.

  78. Knight Time says:

    What a barn burner at heartbreak Ridge. Double OT win by North Penn over Neshaminy. Still trying to find out why they call Neshaminy stadium heart break ridge.

  79. Jay says:

    Coatesville demolished Harrisburg. I will admit, I don’t know much about Harrisburg, but I know they were very good last year and people were surprised when they didn’t make the 5A final. And I saw how bad they beat teams etc. but I don’t know if they kept their best players or anything like that. So that’s the first thing.

    Also, we all knew going into this season that Coatesville retained many of their key players from last seasons run, one that ended 21-3 up against SJP in the east final before eventually losing to them in a wild game overall.

    Coatesville will undoubtedly 10-0 or 9-1 if they have an off night and have a high playoff seed. Will they win D1 again? Will they get revenge on SJP?

    From Coatesville btw. Go Red Raiders.

  80. MIKE A says:

    Are the team previews over? No Cumberland Valley this year? I know they lost a lot and have a tough schedule with McDevitt, Coatesville, Central Dauphin, and Harrisburg all in the first half of the season and then State College in the finale. Will be a difficult year. Maybe I can dig up a little and give it a shot like I did last year.

  81. Raider from 03 says:

    Thoughts on CVille vs Harrisburg??? Who you guys got?

  82. Dave says:

    Prayers also needed for the Jersey Shore player who was seriously injured in a helmet to helmet collision in practice last week. He has been in a coma ever since.

  83. Dennis Pascoe says:

    My thoughts go out to Dunmore and coach Jack Henzes for a speedy recovery. Get Well Jack.

  84. mark says:

    Dunmore coach Jack Henzes will not be on the side line as Dunmore opens the season he is recovering from open heart surgery and most are saying we will not see him this year.join me in prayers for his recovery

  85. phillyboy says:

    Kevin X, probably go with McDonogh vs. Wood or Imhotep vs. LaSalle. North Penn against Neshaminy should be interesting. Curious to see how Coatesville does against Harrisburg also.

  86. MIKE A says:

    @ Kevin X
    Bishop McDevitt @ Cumberland Valley Friday
    Coatesville @ Harrisburg Saturday

  87. Buddy says:

    NP @ neshaminy

  88. David Mika says:


  89. Ndgp82 says:

    When will preseason rankings be out?

  90. Ndgp82 says:

    When will the preseason rankings be published?

  91. Kevin X says:

    Wow 3 days to opening night kickoff, and it seems to be a little quiet around here. You guys getting your game faces on?? Two questions……..

    1. If you are headed out Friday night, just curious what game you guys are heading to across our eastern coverage area.

    2. If you had a choice of games to go to anywhere in the D1/D12 area, what game would you most like to attend Friday night. I must have at least 6-8 games on my radar.

  92. Football20 says:

    Neshaminy easily handled laslle at lasalle. Nesh scored on a pass to Manzyk who was the best player on the field. Neshaminy also scored on 2 pick six’s, 2 of the 4 interceptions thrown by lasalle. Neshaminy O line needs work as they could not get running game going and qb was on the run. Lasalle’s only score was called back on penalty. Not much O for either team. Lasalle lucky not 5 or 6 picks in about a half. Lasalle did have a nice field goal. Running game for lasalle was decent at times and some poor tackling by neshaminy. Neshaminy line on both sides will need to grow up fast, if they can Neshaminy should win their conference but it is down this year.

  93. Knight Time says:

    Was anyone at the Neshaminy/Lasalle scrimmage on Saturday? How was it? North Penn QB looked good in the scrimmage with PW. NP overall looked solid but I take it with a grain of salt considering the level of competition.

  94. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, the rest of the PCN TV “Game of the Week” season schedule has been posted on their website (other than week 10, which is a TBD game).

  95. Dennis Pascoe says:

    @SCA Mom Your response on the comment from GSM is most appreciated. Most contributors and readers in this forum can see right through the statements that were made. When you are winning like Southern is you will always have negative criticism. I have followed Southern football 25+ years and attended many games I have nothing but respect for the football program. And that comes from a Dunmore bucks fan

  96. Mick says:

    Calm down, learn to take defeat, and every kid shouldn’t get a participation trophy

  97. SCA Mom says:

    GSM you clearly are just trying to stir the pot, anyone can say I heard or I was told without the facts to back it up. My son plays on the varsity team for SCA (always lived in the district) and has been in school with all these kids since, at the latest I can think of someone moving here being 6th grade. There are only 2 kids on the varsity roster I believe who moved into the district at some point in high school.(I don’t know the younger kids JV/JH so to make a statement about them without knowing the facts would be wrong.) One boy on the roster always lived in the district but went to Christian school and transferred two years ago back to Southern (and 2 out of the 3 I mentioned aren’t starters). So if you really believe what you are saying go ahead and contact PIAA and do a walk through everyone’s residence. But please be sure to come back on here and eat crow and give an honest report. I will speak for my son and say that he works year round for football. The mentality is to always get better. So I choose to applaud the work ethic of our boys. Also, I venture to say the a majority of our fans route for the surrounding teams to be successful; when they aren’t playing us of course.

  98. Kevin X says:

    Saw on the PCN web site that their first “Game of the Week” is Coatesville @ Harrisburg on Saturday August 25th @ 1p. Did not see the rest of the PCN Game of the Week season schedule listed on the web site. Guess it will tho be released shortly.

  99. Brian says:

    Go turn them in then GSM.

  100. GSM Misinformed says:

    Gsm- Not sure where you are getting your information but its really incorrect.

  101. Gsm says:

    I was standing next to a junior high coach from one of Southern Columbia neighboring school districts and as they introduced the players, he said that five of the kids played for him in junior high school. I’m not sure when the last time they started an entirely home grown back field there.
    Over the summer I was talking to a head coach from one of their opponents and he said at least five of their players still live in the neighboring district I alluded to earlier.

  102. PS Futility says:

    Johnny C, if that’s for real, those are two really bad options.

  103. FridayNightLights says:


    North Penn has part of their 2018 roster uploaded and I do not see Gorski’s name on there. Looks like they moved Shamar Edwards to RB.

  104. Johnny Cochran says:

    Heard there are three options being discussed in Boundary / Non Boundary issues with PIAA and School Administrator Attorney’s Two of these are true and one is not.

    1.) Classifying Non Boundary schools by the amount of students available within the geographic radius of all students enrolled in each respective school district. For example if two students live 50 miles apart, then all of the students available attending ALL schools would be counted as available to that Non Boundary district. In essence this would establish a boundary for that school year. This available population would determine their classification for that year. Most schools would then be 6A

    2.) Eliminate all boundaries for all schools. Students would no longer need to live in the district they choose to participate in for athletics, band, chess club etc… This would negate the relocation advantage of Non Boundary schools.

    3.) Allow Trump to decide. Since it has become a circus why not let the biggest Clown make the decision. 🙂

  105. phillyboy says:

    @ Knight Time

    That’s not good if Gorski is not at North Penn anymore. I considered him one of their returning stars. Almost reminded me of Needhammer or Laky or Smith. Oh well.

  106. Derrick says:

    JoePa, I guess your “English as a second language” course isn’t going as well as planned.

  107. FridayNightLights says:

    @Knight Time

    Interesting. Like I said, that’s what I think I thought I might know lol. Any idea who might be the RB this year?

  108. D4 FB says:

    @dave Thank you! I dont know How I forgot about that one!

    I have always been interested in the rivalries that pitted two schools in close proximity up agianst each other. My dad told me all kinds of stories about the Sunbury Owls playing against the Northumberland Pineknotters and I went to college in Lock Haven and heard all kinds of stories about Bald Eagle Nittany and Lock Haven High School. Are there any rivalries like this still around? I know Bloom and Central is a good example as well as Loyalsock and Montoursville. Consolidation is a killer =/

    Unrelated note…. I wish Midd-West played more D4 teams in their inaugural season. Hopefully next year they get their schedule straightened out – This year they are all over the place, but thats to be expected of a brand new team.

  109. dave says:

    @D4 FB, another good D4 rivalry to consider is the yearly “Battle For The Bridge”, Montoursville / Loyalsock.

  110. JoePa says:

    Mick POLITICS, you got to be kidding me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What I referred to is the truth about the most powerful person in the world. Guest you were brought up to answer creatively but I call it not telling the truth it’s a lie in my book. If you are parent I guest that’s fine if your children’s up bringing, but not in my family and that’s the cold harden fact/truth..

  111. Knight Time says:

    @Friday Night Lights

    Xzavier Gorski is no longer at North Penn. I don’t even think he is playing football

  112. D4 FB says:

    Hey guys, I am thinking of going to some games this year and recording the games and uploading them to youtube.

    1. I am not affiliated with any schools (I am a teacher in the area, but probably wont record any of their games.

    2. Is there any reason I wouldn’t be allowed to record / post online? I cant see any reason seeing it is a public event, but you know…

    3. Does anyone hae any recs for a good digital camera? I have a decent one, but I could probably upgrade.

    4. Bonus question: What are the best D4 games this season? I am going to check out the schedule, but I think me and my crew will be looking mostly for rivalries. Big ones I can think of off the top of my head are Shik/selinsgrove, bloom/central, Milton/warrior Run.

    Thanks folks!

  113. Mick says:

    Joepa: Really!!! You are bringing politics to this forum. Show a little respect. This is high school football not the NFL

  114. Friday Night Lights says:

    Here is what I think I know about NP. The QB is new and is a senior. He is originally from NJ but did play basketball for NP last year. Don’t know much about his arm but he is apparently pretty athletic. His main two targets will be Shamar Edwards and Jon Haynes. Haynes is a third year starter and Edwards is a second year starter. They have been larger contributors on defense thus far because NP has had some good receivers the last two years in Ricky Johns, Owen Thomas, Justis Henley, and Jake Hubler. I expect them to both have a good seasons now that they will be focal points on offense. Xzavier Gorski should be the RB. He saw varsity minutes as a sophomore behind Nick Dillon and last year behind KJ Cartwright so there is some experience there. Good, shifty runner with some speed. TE is a question with Owen Thomas and Nick Vasger all gone. Nick Intrieri, who was a 6’3″ 200 lb WR/LB last year could be a candidate. Jake Walton was listed as a TE last year at 6’3″ 220 but he is now up to 245 so he could switch to the line. The o line replaces all 5 but that has become fairly normal under Beck because of his preference for starting seniors along the o line. They do have some larger bodies that were on the team last year but I do not know how good they are. Could be a slightly bigger line than recent years. Defensively the return third year starter Julian White at D end. They have some other D linemen that saw minutes last year as well but none were starters. Should be a camp battle but with some solid candidates. Linebacker could be a strength with Nathan Brown (5’11” 205) and Nick Intrieri (6’3″ 200) playing a lot of minutes and even starting at times last year. Shamar Edwards (5’11” 190) should play the strong safety in Becks preferred 4-4 front. Haynes (6′ 195) was a safety last year but could switch to corner. Kaleem Corbin plays for Philly’s Finest 7v7 looks like a solid bet to start at the other corner. Again, this is what think I know. Looking forward to week one.

  115. Jut says:


    I have nothing but respect for SCA. They have a great program and tradition there. They have by far the best High school Football coach in Pennsylvania. You could be correct it was probably JV but still out numbered their opponent by 20 some girls and the opponent probably had their Jv girls too. It was a State playoff game. Just looked weird considering they were in the same class. I get it is a unique VoTech not many have sport teams but the kids that go to other vo techs count towards the school they originally had to go to. Not saying that is wrong or anything since others schools in the area send their students to the same Vo tech. But would SCA ever play up a class. A boys basketball school in Single A killed Lourdes in the state championship and now is moving up to 6A. We all know the next 2 years have SCA championships written all over it in AA. Unless something crazy happens.

  116. JoePa says:

    RE: Foleman ——- TOM F. the same. You can’t help yourself can you to be accurate. Seems your similar to our President just can’t get the facts and truth correct. It appears that you have an inside path to Berks Catholics internal bureaucracy and that’s fine. First of all Wilson does not openly, actively attract athletes from around Berks County. But non boundary schools do quit well. Where I live two brothers are athletes, one goes to Berks Catholic and one to Wilson. You know this has been around for decades and can you blame parents wanting their son/daughter to get a good education and at the same time get extra exposure to advance their athletic skills to further their education beyond high school with potential scholarships. Why would a parent not do this. In a recent case a Wilson RB parent’s inherited a home in the Muhlenberg School District yet the RB transferred to BC. BC’s AD could have nixed it but did he and why? BC is well know to subsidize tuition costs for special students. And your fact that 3 players transferring into Wilson, in fact these boys transferred in from another state into Wilson (Illinois). The father went to Wilson, played for Wilson and when his boys were younger played football in the Wilson feeder program. It is very clear that non boundary schools have huge advantages over boundary schools and can derive techniques to recruit. Oh by the way regarding Callaway. Why not talk to his father on the reason to transfer. You have the open path at BC Tom F. but get your facts correct.

  117. Derrick says:

    Not going to lie, I’m biased towards my team, Neshaminy, but they should be better than last years team. With Manzyk leading the D, and also returning on O with QB McAndrew, WR Joyce, and almost all of the skill players, it should be a fun year. The lines will be the biggest question mark, but the D line should have no problem replacing last years seniors. The O line will be OK, mostly because Coach Wilmot is by trade an O Line coach. I’m sure he will have the right guys in place with the right game plans. Not to sure about NP, other than they are usually a great team and they have a new senior QB.

  118. Falconfield says:


    Nesh lost all 5 O linemen from last year with this year’s line with no experience and undersized in a big way. Also replacing 3 or 4 DL line with similar issues. Also, expected starting RB transferred to Bensalem, and Hebron is not playing sticking to track. While manzyk can create plays on both side of the ball. Playing a NP or Pennsbury with their size and depth up front will be a problem if Beck and McShane figure out in time. Nesh will still make playoffs as SOL national is not very strong again. Pennsbury needs to repalce qb, but has decent size and speed back.

    Haven’t heard much either about NP, other than QB situation.

  119. Friday Night Lights says:


    North Penn-Neshaminy should be very competitive. I agree with you that I am hearing little about either team. North Penn has some solid skill position players and a new QB who they need to break in. From what I understand Neshaminy has some good skill players too but might struggle early along the lines. Curious as to what other people think.

  120. Brian says:


    There is no sending of students to vo-tech to keep numbers down. A handful of students choose to go to vo-tech in 9th grade to study a trade because they have no desire to stay in the academic setting. Those students who opt to go there spend the entire day there and if they are interested they play athletics there. It’s a unique vo-tech school because it’s all day and they have their own sports team. Also the other surrounding schools like bloom, central Columbia, Berwick, among others have students who attend that vo-tech school. It’s not done to duck numbers just another attempt of haters to put down a successful program. Also that soccer game you went to could’ve easily been the jv team dressed on the sidelines too.

  121. Skat says:

    I’m thinking about going down to the North Penn-Neshaminy game week 1. Will that game be competitive? Hearing little about either side. Thanks

  122. Modern Day QB says:

    Why would a high school QB with a legitimate chance to play QB in college want to play for a high school that runs a Wing T?

  123. Foleman says:

    District 3, no, not the same person,are you a Wilson coach? Or maybe you are the wealthy Real Estate Alum who finds all of the “move ins’ cheap housing in Sinking Spring! Ask Menapace, Hess, Ferrandino or any other of the AD’S in Berks what they think of Wilson’s recruiting. 4 basketball players from BC transferred in to WIlson last year. Everyone pleaded with Hess to not sign off on the Calloway transfer when Wilson’s coach, who was coaching him all summer in AAU was actively recruiting him. I can’t imagine the negative publicity this would generate if the situation was reversed. Kids do move for athletic purposes, but when a School is actively reaching out to parents and recruiting their sons and daughters for athletics like Wilson does, that’s wrong and they should be punished. MacFoy you say! Who is Wilson’s starting tailback this year? What school did he transfer in from?. I also see your baseball and girls basketball teams had some high profile transfers, more move in’s? One from Wyomissing, which happens to be one of the top SD in the State.

  124. Jut says:

    District 3 commish

    About SCA you are right it’s crazy the amount of kids that are on their sport teams considering they are a A/AA school. I went to a state playoff single A girls soccer game a few years ago and SCA must of had 40 some girls on their team. That’s crazy for a single A. Not sure the rules with the school. Maybe if you attend SCA you have to play a sport or something. Did hear a rumor way back which is a rumor no truth behind it that I know. Is they send most of Thur students to Col Mont. Vo-tech to keep their numbers down so they could stay playing at A/AA level. Funny thing with that is that if they did play AAA/AAAA they would compete and win there too. But it is fishy that the number of athletes on their sports teams is crazy high for a small school

  125. District 3 Commish says:

    Foleman, are you and Irish 1 the same person? Has your kid “Foley” decided where he is going to school this year? Who else would ask about a kid know one else has heard about?

    Manheim Township had the Emge family move from Fleetwood to MT so the kids could play football there. MT also had a WR move from Hempfield last year. They all had to move to another district to play though…… not just enroll there.

    Somehow Southern Columbia, who has approximately 75 male students per class, has a large percentage of large athletes in that district. Not sure how they end up there but they all live in the district. The best receiver in the country and a QB heading to BAMA?

    Last year Wilson lost 3 seniors that all started for other schools…. One to Mifflin, one to Warwick and one to Cocalico. They all started for these respective teams and they all moved to those respective districts to play football. This year one kid moved from Mifflin to Wilson and two kids moved from Wilson to Mifflin

    In the Harrisburg area kids are always moving between CD, CD East, Harrisburg, etc…. It happens.

    Families are always going to move to other districts for whatever reason and that can’t be stopped. There is no moving required to attend BC.

    MacFoy transferred to BC because his parents used a Muhlenburg address and Wilson would not allow him to enroll in the district without being a resident. Based on that he should be attending Muhlenburg this year. I would wager a LOT of money he is not paying tuition to attend BC this year.

    Maybe one year BC will quit being scared and play 6A.

  126. Mike A says:

    @Foleman Wilson West Lawn has had more transfers the last two years than Cumberland Valley has had in more than 30 years!

  127. Ndgp82 says:

    @Matt I agree with who your top 4 in the Colonial League are but I have them in this order 1. Notre Dame Green Pond 2. Palisades 3. Southern Lehigh 4. Saucon Valley. 5 through 10 could go many ways. The last 2 either way. The good news for Notre Dame is that they are home against all three of their top 4 opponents. September 7 Southern Lehigh September 28 Palisades. October 19 Saucon Valley.

  128. Foleman says:

    Wilson West Lawn needed a quarterback, 3 Sophomore QB’S transferred in including 1 which started as a Freshman at Hamburg, which is located 20 miles at the opposite end of Berks County from Wilson. Iggy Reynoso, Berks Counties all time leading rusher also started out at Hamburg and somehow found his way into Wilson’s Zip Code. Berks Public School AD’s are livid, especially Hamburg and Wyomissing, where Wilson has been contacting their athletes for years about transferring. District 1 has NP, District 3 has Wilson, and Wilson had the Stones to show up at the meeting regarding separating Public and Private schools. A few years ago, Wilson’s starting QB, RB and Receiver were all transfers.

  129. Matt says:

    @Colonialfan…I’m going to take a guess at CL records and ranking this year for the fun of it

    1) Palisades 9-1
    2) SL 8-2
    3) NDGP 8-2
    4) SV 7-3
    5) Bangor 6-4
    6) NW 6-4
    7) NL 5-5
    8) Wilson 5-5
    9) PA 4-6
    10) Palmerton 4-6
    11) Salisbury 2-8
    12) Catty 1-9

    As you can see from 5-10 I have alot of teams aorund 500….the top 4 are clearly top 4 then it’s a lot of parity. Should be a fun year!

  130. Friday Night Lights says:

    @Knight Time

    Thanks for the update. I tried researching him a bit but it seems there isn’t much film available. How does North Penn look this year? I know a little bit about them but not as much as I usually do.

    @Mike Smoll

    It looks like he is from New Jersey but played basketball for NP last year.

  131. David Mika says:

    On 8/24/18

  132. Knight Time says:

    @David Mika

    Are you close to posting class rankings for 2018?

  133. ColonialFan says:

    @Matt I’m with you on the Colonial League! Would love to see them sit into divisions…north/south or east/west. Issue is we have 11 teams. Would be no extra to have divisions and play 5 division games, 2 to 3 crossover games and then you have the opportunity to schedule 1 or 2 out of league games where you could schedule up and have the opportunity for extra power points when’s it comes to districts. Would definitely make things more interesting and fun for the kids to get to see new opponents.
    Since you’re a Colonial League I am interested to see how you think the league will shake out this year??

  134. PS Futility says:


    I guess we’re not really saying anything different. Imhotep recruits for athletics, as do some other charters and most of the privates. The rules allow it. The playing field is not level between those programs and the real public schools, particularly in the densely populated areas of the state where not only are public schools playing against a stacked roster, they’re actually playing against some of their own, best players. A “super” 7A class, like CA’s “Open” Division might be a solution.

  135. Mike Smoll says:

    First where did North Penn’s new Quarterback come from? Is he a product of their program or a transfer in? Note: Colonial League Saucon Valley and SOL American Quakertown, has in the past tentatively scheduled a game the 1st week of the playoffs (don’t know about last year or this year) but the years it was done both teams made their respective divisions playoffs so the game wasn’t played.

  136. PS Futility says:

    Used the Internet thingy and answered my own question about Romeo Gunt. Went to CA to play JC ball and wound up at Portland State.

  137. Foleman says:

    Phillyboy, go to the toolbar up on top of the website, go to Extras, scroll down to forum.

  138. Knight Time says:

    @Friday Night Lights

    The new quarterback at North Penn is Solomon Robinson. Pretty athletic. I’m hoping he is accurate.

  139. Matt says:

    @Dave…..thanks for the info. As a colonial league guy I wish they would have an open week the first week to play another team not from league but it’s always been a 10 game league schedule in the CL. And I used to like when the old LVC (now EPC) schools played a non league game first week. Parkland used to schedule some good matchups week 1. But it is what it is I guess.

  140. ???! says:

    @PS Futility

    Most of Imhotep stars come from the same lil league program 4x national champions Northwest Raiders jus to name a few Nasir Bonner – Naseir Upshur FSU – Deandre Scott ASU commit transfer N graduated from Maine U- Najee Goode Maine Graduate – Carl Jones Imhotep current runningback #1 – Isheem Young – Another kid from the program upcoming stud Deshuan Seals from Northwest raiders Imhotep 2020-2021 class has some really toughnose physical kids coming up. But on Rome Gunt note he went to Juco N played SS idk which one out Cali but he currently playing a a AA D1 school.

    Tbh in my opinion I feel like they should make that super class 7A have all the schools in that class non boundary school so the playing field is even then let each power house fight it out for the the title to own the state. Also I think for this super class there shouldn’t be a West N East side of the state playoff bracket the should jus random the match ups. Something like how they did that Texas bracket on Friday night lights they random the match ups so teams can all have a equal playing field of playing each other

  141. Mike A says:

    @ phillyboy

  142. Dennis Pascoe says:

    Alabama wanted him and got him ! Southern Co. Stone Hollenbach commits. Not to bad for a 2A school quarterback. Best of luck and congratulations from a Dunmore bucks fan.

  143. PS Futility says:

    @ ???!

    Funny you should mention Romeo Gant, who was one of my favorite HS football players. The kid dominated as a 160 (probably more like 150) pound OLB/DE at West Philly Catholic then, lo and behold, he winds up at Imhotep as an All City DB. Imhotep is in the middle of MLKs district, yet they get most of the best ballplayers and I’d be willing to bet many, if not most, of their best kids cross other HS boundaries to go to Tep. That’s well within the rules and while those rules are stricter than the basically non-existent private school rules, they aren’t nearly as strict as the ones most publics have to play by. I really don’t care who recruits who, but let the neighborhood kids from the real publics play each other and let the privates and charters fight it out for a separate championship. Mixing schools with different enrollment rules in the playoffs doesn’t make sense. If everyone has a need to see the best open enrollment and boundary schools play each, they can schedule non-league games.

    On another note, do you know what happened to Romeo Gant? I didn’t see him as a D1 kid, but thought he could be great at the D2/D3 level.

  144. phillyboy says:

    Was just wondering, does anybody know what the situation is with Can’t seem to find the forum for comments. Does it still exist or did it possibly change to ‘tweets’ only? Always appreciated getting the take of western PA — jack1234 and Billy have been great in that regard.

  145. FridayNightLights says:

    Does anyone know who North Penn’s QB will be this season? That and improvement on defense will be key to any success this season.

  146. David Mika says:

    Live4Fridays…We are working on fixing the time

  147. Live4Fridays says:

    Are all of the times on the Master Schedule List on this site off by 3 hours?

  148. ???! says:


    Nothing but athletes wanna go to Imhotep. Imhotep has branded its self as a legit ticket out of Philadelphia every kid in Philadelphia knows that. Furthermore, Imhotep is a lottery school but the lottery goes from Family if you have a relative or past grad in your family that attends the school you have a better chance of getting in. Example Rome Gunt #5 for Imhotep in 2014-2015 younger brother is currently Imhoteps #5 and Virginia U commit. Also like I said in my last post relationship from Imhotep staff gives kids ahead start to apply let’s say your kid is 8th grade but plays good lil league and Imhotep coach is currently his head coach he can ask the parents to look into Imhotep. (if this is there school of choice, no force or bribes involved aka scholarship that ALL catholic schools offer top talent to come play for them) if so they can apply to Imhotep for his/her 9th grade year in advance so not only does he have a head start into getting into the school but he is currently already ahead of the lottery.

  149. Dave says:

    @Matt, Several Heartland Conference teams have regular season games scheduled with non- conference teams. For example, Loyalsock and Mt. Carmel both play North Schuylkill, so I don’t believe there is any league only rule.

  150. LBCfbfan says:

    Doesn’t Imhotep have an enrollment lottery? Yet it seems all the top athletes who apply seem to get in? I don’t care if they have a top notch coaching staff or not. If they are keeping other students out of the school so they can enroll the athletes that is violating their charter.

  151. Matt says:

    @kevin, they play every school in the division I believe then have crossover games….kind of like how the EPC in the Lehigh valley is set up with Parkland, Whitehall, Emmaus, etc….they play two cross over games with the EPC North but have no outside league games anymore. They do play Selingsgrove who is a good 4A school. Selingsgrove actually took Bethlehem Catholic to the final minutes last year in 4A quarters. I’m not sure actually how crossover division games work in the Heartland conference as I’m a D11 colonial league guy but I know looking at thier schedule every year it’s only heartland conference games which leads me to believe it’s a league only reg season league.

  152. ???? says:


    If you did research instead of what you’re hearing from others you would clearly see that all those schools you listed was shut down just for that. Only school on that list still open is Imhotep you wonder why cause they where not found guilty of any of those charges or statements you put there name with. Crazy thing is every team that plays Imhotep in Philadelphia doesn’t complain they are excited and thanks Imhotep for putting the public league on the map. Only people that complain is other district champions Imhotep beats up on.

    Imhotep welcomes all cultures to the school but I think that being considered a Public school scares off people that would rather put there kids in catholic schools. Imhotep has that QB from North Penn but other than that idk really.

    Everybody thinks Imhotep is just taking kids from programs when Imhotep losses a lot of kids every year. Imhotep lost 1-3 D1 players this upcoming season they lost there young LT to Maryland powerhouse and nationally rank Saint Frances MD also lost Omar to Northeast I’m not gone name the rest but Imhotep losses more kids than any stable program in the state.

  153. phillyboy says:

    @ Foleman

    Look, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think the public charter schools are a total gimmick. On a larger level they were created to circumvent the teachers’ union and to cut down on expenses. The proponents of charters are playing dumb — they’re acting like they want the charters because of the poor quality or bad results of the traditional publics in low income areas. The bottom line is it’s about having prepared students and engaged parents. The charters make things more complicated. If they want to break the union or whatever then they got to stop the games and just play hard ball. I’ve always had some sentiment for labor unions as it evokes a greater sense of professionalism — as opposed to being a rented, expendable schnook. I don’t think new teachers are overpaid. It’s those with tenure and some administrators. Where a lot of money is being lost is in the PSERS program. Pensions are fine but there’s no way retired teachers or any profession should be getting close to full salary for the rest of their life. It’s simply too generous. It should be a helper or supplement. The other thought is for the retirees to tone down their life style. Anyway just some thoughts.

  154. Kevin X says:

    @ Mcd65 Thanks for the clarification. I was afraid people might think me and phillyboy were one in the same or some kind of weird conjoined twins. Scary thought 😉

    @Tnd775 What is the issue you are referring to??

    @ Matt Looking into the Heartland Conference, 19 schools, with 3 divisions?? So if you play another school from a different division, that counts as a conference game?? Is the divisions set up enrollment or classification wise, or geographically?? Does the conference mandate that you only play and schedule conference games?? Kind of a small pet peeve of mine that it seems like every D2 and D4 schools only play other D2 or D4 schools in the regular season. I enjoy the first few weeks of the season when you get to see teams play each other that they normally don’t. I’ll give kudos to Del Val up in D2 for hitting the road ever year for their first game the last several years and taking on some tough competition. Two trips to Florida, Parkland, Upper Dublin (at their recent peak), Downingtown East, and this year Pennridge.

  155. phillyboy says:

    @ ????

    I absolutely root for Imhotep when they play private teams like Erie CP etc. but not when they play traditional publics. On a side note was just wondering why they never have any white players on their team. But yeah the youth football programs are awesome, I’m proud of those guys when they win national titles as Philadelphia teams. Lastly, just wanted to say that Imhotep this year has a very aggressive schedule; they open up with LaSalle, DeMatha, and St. Joe’s Regional…..that’s no joke. Would love to see them go 3-0 there.

  156. Foleman says:

    ????? This is what The State Investigation showed for the PSSA test:

    The cheating at Imhotep Charter is very severe. The data shows the answer sheets that were modified was at a substantially high rate vs. standard deviation, higher in some grades than any other school in the state. And after the investigation was completed, TEP’S PSSA scores plummeted! HHHMMMM, wonder why? Plus, remember who the Philly Superintendent was at that time-Arlene Ackerman, who was busted for giving out million dollar no bid contracts to her friends.

    Here is a list of the charter schools in Philly that were red flagged for modified answers:

    Alliance for Progress Charter
    Charter High School for Architecture and Design
    Imhotep Institute Charter High School
    Maritime Academy Charter
    Walter D. Palmer Leadership and Learning Partners Charter
    Wissahickon Charter
    Philadelphia Electrical and Technology Charter

  157. Kevin X says:

    Big 33 game on the move…….

  158. ???! says:


    “But some how all these great football players from the city somehow wind up there” – Your lack of knowledge about the program is where your down fall is. But to answer your question Imhotep coaching staff is full of head coaches from elite Pop Warner teams in Philadelphia like Northwest Raiders, NorthPhilly Aztecs, NorthPhilly Blackhawk, Enon Eagles so when you know the parents of those kids you’ve been teaching football to 4 years plus you get a relationship with parents. If your parent who has a son who has potential talent but u don’t have catholic school money or your child hasn’t received a scholarship for you send them to catholic school. You send your kid to Imhotep I’m not saying Imhotep is the best school but it’s better than sending your child to other public’s in Philadelphia. Plus on the cheating note if you really think Imhotep got caught CHEATING ON A STATE TEST AND GOT CAUGHT BY “THE STATE” YOU REALLY THINK THEY WOULD STILL BE OPENED. Imhotep education speaks volumes for itself when you say there down near the bottom on academics but continues to put kids in college and it’s not like there dropping out there actually staying in school and maintaining college GPA’s for major athletic programs.

  159. Dennis Pascoe says:

    Like to hear from the Berwick boys. How will the “DAWG’S stack up? Also the boys from Dunmore a favorite team of mine. What is going on up there?

  160. Matt says:

    @Kevin….yes….all of southerns games are heartland conference games. They play a ten game league schedule like the colonial league does in dist 11. And actually like the EPC does now as well. The old LVC used to have a non league game first game but when they went to the EPC they are all league games now. That’s why Parkland, etc doesn’t play a non league game anymore like they used to play Glen Mills, Harrisburg etc.

  161. Foleman says:

    ???? David Williams, Omar Speights, Nasir Boykins, Chris Wells, Andre Mintz, Steve DePaul and dozens of others have something in common, they all transferred into Imhotep Charter from other schools. Tep is ranked near the bottom in academics in the State, the school was almost closed a few years ago due to poor test scores and cheating but somehow all of these great football players from the City somehow wind up there. TEP is one of the schools often listed by the PUBS as the main reason for separate playoffs. Your 2015 state champ squad had about a dozen transfers on it. Don’t give us the Northwest Raiders, no one is buying it.

  162. Ditka says:

    PIAA should remove boundaries from all schools and just have one classification. They should also allow high school kids to be paid. In 5 years there will only be 10 schools remaining so we won’t need to hear how great Southern Columbia is in 2A. Move up or Shut up!

  163. Mcd65 says:

    kevinx/phillyboy, That was me posting. DUH !!!! sorry for the mistake.

  164. Tnd775 says:

    Cracks me up about all this public/private when it’s literally only a few teams causing the issue

  165. ???? says:

    Imhotep doesn’t recruit. When you have the #1 Pop Warner program in the nation practicing @ the same field where one of the top Highschools in the state play your gonna have a lot of talent coming. Jus cause 1. Northwest Raiders And Imhotep practices @ the same field 2. Head Coach of the 4x defending national champions is a Imhotep coach 3. Northwest Raiders kids watch Imhotep practices all the time before there own practices starts (which starts right after Imhotep) 4. Imhotep was very young this year and still made it to the state finals with barely no seniors 5. Imhotep school is in a very high area that produces a rich amount of talent for Philadelphia 6. Proof of Talent Zaire Franklin David Williams Dj Moore Deandre Scott Deandre Swift Jaelen Strong etc the list can go on but most of those players came from lil league programs that are all no more than a couple blocks from Imhotep

  166. Kevin X says:


    I have no idea. I never even knew about the meeting until I stumbled upon a couple of articles about it on Pennlive while checking out some Penn State articles. Who knows what will become of it. One interesting note is that of the 150 or so attendees listed, no District 12 school (or City of Philadelphia) was present, and only one or two D1 districts are present.


    All 10 of SC games are conference games?? I believe Fleming is No. 3 nationwide on ESPN’s Jr. 300 for the class of 2020. Hoping he commits to play an hour or so west.

  167. Kevin X says:

    Some info on the new transfer rules and “playing-up” stuff…..

  168. Dennis Pascoe says:

    I enjoy all the controversy about Southern it is good for this forum. I heard the word (peak). Watch the underclass they are diamonds in the rough and are extremely good. Look to them in the future. Can’t wait for the season to start.

  169. ColonialFan says:


    Yes, ND could very realistically win the Colonial League this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if it happened. I’m just giving the edge to Palisades based on their size and physicality on the offensive and defensive lines. ND hasn’t handled more physical type games well.

    I understand how the classifications are set. However, if you look at roster sizes for other 3A schools it is no where near 75/80. Why is that? It’s not just because more kids decided to play at ND, it’s because ND recruits kids to specifically play football their. And yes, any co-ed non prep Catholic school has an advantage when they are able to do that. Just look at schools like Beca and Berks Catholic to name a couple.

  170. ColonialFan says:

    Yes, ND could very well win the Colonial League this year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. I’m giving the edge to Palisades due to their physicality and size on the offensive and defensive lines. ND hasn’t handled more physical types of games recently.

    I understand how classifications are set. However, look at other 3A schools and their roster size. It’s not just that more kids want to play at ND, it’s that ND recruits kids specifically to come there and play football. Yes, that puts them at an advantage. There are plenty of co-ed non prep Catholic schools that take every advantage of this…Beca, Berks Catholic, etc.

  171. KevinX /Phillyboy I says:

    Im a fan of what So. Columbia has accomplished and will accomplish the next couple of years ,but to suggest a game against Archbishop Wood or Imhotep would not be a good idea. Those two are just too powerful and fast. So. should stay where they are. Lets not get carried away.

  172. Buddy says:

    I like to see stricter rules on transfers, but not separate playoffs.

  173. phillyboy says:

    @ Dennis

    Bishop McDevitt or PCC

  174. Matt says:

    @Kevin……Southern Columbia unfortunately plays a ten game reg season schedule in the league they are in and have no open dates during the reg season. Most smaller leagues in D11 (Colonial) have no open dates during season unfortunately. However, I would love to see then play a good 5A team or even 6A team. I just saw in a addition to Fleming who has offers almost everywhere that southerns senior QB Stone Hollenbach has 8 D1 offers and just received a preferred walk on offer from Alabama.

  175. Ndgp82 says:

    @Colonial Fan….Let me go over your post point by point.

    thoughts on Notre Dame Green Pond. The Colonial League will come down to Palisades and ND, but Southern Lehigh will also have something to say. At this point, I’m giving the edge to Palisades. Response: Fair enough, but it’s conceivable that ND could win based on your comment.

    I hope to never see ND win a league championship after a local writer claimed a few years ago that they would change the league forever and referred to it as the “good old boys” league. Response: Notre Dame has only won one league championship in its history (1979, Centennial League as a Class A school) as well as two District championships (2015 AA, 2016 AAA) so I fail to see the relevance of the “good old boys’ comment. As an alumnus of ND, I hope they do win a few championships.

    The fact that their team preview said they expect to have a roster of 75/80 kids is just ridiculous. If your roster is that big, you shouldn’t be playing 3A!
    Response: Classification is based on male enrollment not roster size. You should not punish a school for having success in getting students to participate. I can only imagine that 75/80 includes a lot of JV’s. My guess is 35/40 are realistically Varsity.

    Not even the bigger schools in the league have rosters anywhere near that size. Southern Lehigh is 5A and they are lucky to even have 50-60 kids in 9th-12th grade. It’s ridiculous. Response: Yet Southern Lehigh has had a great deal of success in football. Their problem is that Whitehall is 5A as well. Also, other league schools have historically greater success than Notre Dame. Notre Dame has never won a Colonial League title in football so I don’t honestly know why you’re complaining.

    These are the reasons we are in the current predicament of boundary vs non-boundary. Response: Prep schools like St. Joe’s and charter schools like Imhotep Charter have greater advantages than a co-ed non-prep Catholic School could ever hope to have.

  176. mark says:

    @Kevin X on that meeting at state collage what did you hear about it ? i heard a rumor the D7 along with D2 and 4 talked about going back to the old playoff systems and forgetting about the PIAA I thought is was just bull do you know if their any substance to it ???

  177. Dennis Pascoe says:

    @phillyboy Who would you like to see Southern play in 5A or 6A.? Just curious.

  178. ColonialFan says:

    @Ndgp82….thoughts on Notre Dame Green Pond. The Colonial League will come down to Palisades and ND, but Southern Lehigh will also have something to say. At this point, I’m giving the edge to Palisades.
    I hope to never see ND win a league championship after a local writer claimed a few years ago that they would change the league forever and referred to it as the “good old boys” league. The fact that their team preview said they expect to have a roster of 75/80 kids is just ridiculous. If your roster is that big, you shouldn’t be playing 3A! Not even the bigger schools in the league have rosters anywhere near that size. Southern Lehigh is 5A and they are lucky to even have 50-60 kids in 9th-12th grade. It’s ridiculous. These are the reasons we are in the current predicament of boundary vs non-boundary.

  179. ColonialFan says:

    @Foleman….separate playoffs? Absolutely! Yes, some of the best games in history have been public vs Catholic, but those days are over. Catholic/charter schools have ruined it. Some public schools, that aren’t traditional powerhouses, only have one shot. I’ll use Saucon Valley from 3 years ago as an example. They had an outstanding team that did big things and were even able to knock Beca off in the district championship. One a game or two in states until they run into the Imhotep buzzsaw…they go into the game knowing they have no chance. Saucon a small public school who just happened to have a great core group that played together forever against a school that had 10+ D1 recruits. That’s BS.
    It’s time for a change and more of a change than just the recruiting rules PIAA has put in place. You could get creative and have the public school champ play the non-boundary school for the end all, be all championship. Would be a little more work in football, but Jersey has the Tournament of Champions for basketball.

  180. Kevin X says:

    @ phillyboy

    Also looks like Imhotep has an open date week 4. Julian Fleming v. Tykee Smith, might be worth the price of admission and little drive to a mid point neutral field……….

  181. Kevin X says:

    @ Phillyboy

    Love to see that as well. I believe Archbishop Wood still has an open date week 2 (Labor Day weekend).

  182. robert johns says:

    Foleman, are you sure the transfere rule keeps players out of playoffs this year? The article i read was confusing. It sounded like to me that if a transfere who
    enrolled before rule went into effect (Aug 6) that the player would be eligible to play in districts and or state playoffs.

  183. Matt says:

    @Phillyboy….Southern Columbia is in the Heartland conference which plays a ten game league schedule which allows no no league matchups currently. All the games are in conference. Like alot of smaller leagues in D2 D11 and D4 they play a full 10 Game league schedule and there are no non league games until playoffs. I would love to see then play a good 5-6A team as I think they would compete with them but they do play some decent 4A teams in league schedule like Selingsgrove who had made state playoffs in 4A a bunch of times recently and almost beat Beth Catholic last season in state quarters. They would have won A and AAA last year in my opinion and they prob could win all three smaller classes this year as well. We all saw what they did to NG last year and with all the talent NG had

  184. phillyboy says:

    I don’t know if it’s too late but I think Southern Columbia should schedule one of the big boys in the regular season. That’s right, a legit 5A or 6A team. You want to do that when you’re at your peak. It’s high risk, high reward. You win that game and it creates a lasting community buzz.

  185. Rob N says:

    Heard that Southern Columbia recently dispatched the third ranked team in the nation at a 7 on 7 at Penn State.

  186. Foleman says:

    Do the majority of fans really want separate playoffs? I don’t think so, some of the greatest playoff games in PIAA History were Private VS Public, I could watch the Epic 2 game championship series between Erie CP and CB West all day, and would it be for all sports or just football and basketball? Do the Pubs really want Pa to turn into NJ where the Private School juggernauts get to recruit who they want? What really ticks me off is that its only a handful of renegade private/charter schools that are the reason for this mess. If the PIAA put the hammer down on the TEP’S, Beca’s, N Goretti’s and McDevitt’s of the world, we would not have this problem as most of the Private schools abide by the rules. Western Pa seems to do a much better job on reviewing transfers for athletic purposes than Philly/Eastern/Central Pa. The Parson’s transfer to Harrisburg was an absolute joke! The transfer rule will also hurt the Public’s too, one Principal at the meeting stated he had 40+ kids move into his district last year and now transfers this year wont be able to participate in the playoffs. Enforcement on this rule is going to be a huge mess. One other thing, several of those public schools at the PIAA meeting should be ashamed of even showing their faces as some of them benefit more from recruiting/transfers than most of the private schools.

  187. RN says:

    Heard recently that Southern Columbia dispatched the third ranked team in the country at a 7 on 7 at Penn State.

  188. Ndgp82 says:

    What is the outlook for Notre Dame Green Pond as far as Colonial League, District XI, and States?

  189. Kevin X says:

    We missed all of the fun when the forum was down regarding the PIAA’s fast tracking changes to transfer rules with the sitting out of the following years post season (or something like that) and a formula for “playing up” based on recent past dominations. Any thoughts guys?? I believe this is just for football and basketball.

    Also, the real fun IMO was the 150 or so AD’s, superintendents and other school representatives having their own meeting in State College. I do like the nuclear option mentioned about simply leaving the PIAA. Get off the pot and just do it guys, talk is cheap, we all know it. Someone may actually start paying attention and wake up.

  190. Mike Smoll says:

    Glad to hear you are back up and running!

  191. Kmac says:

    Great to have you back and running Dave! I am lost without this site, even off-season!

  192. David Mika says:

    Hi all. Someone signed in and deleted all the files and backups. But thank god we found the most recent backup. I have a weeks of work to catch up. We are backup and running.

  193. Mike A says:

    Good to see you’re getting everything up and running again.

  194. ColonialFan says:

    @Matt Looking at your 5A predictions, I’m going to say Whitehall is going to have a bit of a down year. Their starting QB transferred to Emmaus, they lost some quality starters and also have a brand new head coach. Those things point to possibly a rebuilding year, time will tell. Also, in 5A, district 11 and district 2 have now combined for a sub regional which will include Wyoming Valley West and Wallenpaupack making for a more competitive bracket with 7 teams vying for 4 spots.

  195. ColonialFan says:

    @Matt, looking at your 5A predictions, I’m going to say that I think Whitehall I going to have a down year this season. Their starting QB transferred to Emmaus and they did lose some quality starters to graduation. Add in a new coach and this could be a rebuilding year. Also, making the 5A playoffs out of district 11 this year will be a little more difficult as there is now 5 teams from District 11 and Wyoming Valley West and Wallenpaupack from District 2 have been added to form a sub regional.

  196. Matt says:

    @Basketcase…thanks….then I would put West Catholic in their place. I would then put NG in the mix in AAA. They might have a better chance on AAA than AA with Southern in AA.

  197. Basketcase says:

    Matt, Neumann-Goretti is AAA for the upcoming 2-year cycle.

  198. Matt says:

    My early 2018 top 3 in East (based on the east teams covered here)

    A: 1) Old Forge 2) Williams Valley 3) Marian
    AA: 1) Southern Columbia 2) Dunmore 3) NG
    AAA: 1) Middletown 2) Scranton Prep 3) Conwell Egan
    AAAA: 1) Tep 2) Bethlehem Catholic 3) Bishop McDevitt
    AAAAA: 1) Wood 2) Manheim Central 3) Whitehall
    AAAAA: 1) SJ prep 2) Coatesville 3) North Penn/ Parkland

  199. Mike A says:

    The PDF team schedules don’t say whether the game is a home game or an away game.

  200. David Mika says:

    Late August.

  201. Knight Time says:

    @david mika when will the class rankings for 2018 be updated?

  202. Jack1234 says:

    @boroboy you are absolutely wrong on almost everything you said. No idea how you got this information. PR head coach is not suspended 4 games, I’ve already said on here that’s wrong. Assistant coach was fired because he had prior incidents. Also, the head coach wasn’t doing any of this, it was two assistant coaches. The kid your talking about didn’t even play WR, he’s a top ten sprinter in the country and he moved back for track. the kid legit has a shot at the Olympics one day. And what about the QB last year being from ohio? Don’t think pine township is anywhere near ohio lmao. Your post makes no sense, just exaggerated rumors to make PR look bad. If you wanna complain about transfers, go up the road to NA they seem to get plenty more than PR but no one bats an eye.

  203. Foleman says:

    Irish, heard the coaches and players from BC were trying to get him back in the fold. He’s currently not on their roster. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was PJP.

  204. Bill Morris says:

    @ Boroboy,
    Please have your facts straight before posting on the board. NE best player left the Prep on his own in January of his freshman year with a 3.3 GPA. Her left because he did not like wearing a sport coat everyday, and he did not get preferential treatment for being an up and coming football player.

  205. Knight Time says:

    Ricky Ortega Jr looked good today @ 7×7 slinging the ball around the field. Picked up another D1 offer from Lehigh University also during the passing camp

  206. irish1 says:

    any word on where rb from Berks C who transferred is going? Heard it may be PJP

  207. PS Futility says:

    Boroboy, the difference between public and non-boundary schools is PR is being punished for recruiting, while it would have been perfectly legal for a private. I see no problem with non-boundary schools recruiting or publics being penalized for doing it (and we all know some do). The problem is applying different rules to schools that compete for the same championship. Imagine if some colleges were allowed to recruit nationally, while others could only recruit in state.

  208. Boroboy says:

    Pine Richland head coach suspended First 4 games and assistant coach fired for recruiting Ohio kids. A public recruiting and no outcry. Northeast HS got 9 transfers from NG and Imhotep but that is ok. NE top player , good kid, couldn’t handled the academics atPrep and told he couldn’t come back after freshman year. Prep has 6’8” freshman basketball player transfer because mommy and daddy thinks he should gotten time on Varsity. Mommy and daddy shopped him to other schools, I know for a fact, before he transferred to Bishop Eustace. The kid was lucky to be even be suiting Varsity. He might have gotten time this year on Varsity but mommy and daddy know better than a coaching legend who has over 1000 career wins. They all recruit except probably the small town schools in PA. Oh by the way Pine Richland ‘s WR from last year, who is a relative of a steeler, transferred back to Florida after state football championship game and won a state championship in track. And I believe their QB was originally from Ohio, hmmm.

  209. MGS930 says:

    Yes PJP was senior heavy last year. Return 4 starters from what I can saw both sides. Yes rumor has it that a handful of Carroll players transferred to PJP. New Hope returns 6 offense and 8 on defense. Offensively, they return 4 up front and should be fine in the pass game. After Capriotti graduated they will need to figure who is running the ball.

  210. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    @Foleman –

    Carroll QB to PJP confirmed. Evidently the move was motivated primarily because of baseball, but the destination is the same. A rising junior lineman is headed from Carroll to PJP as well.

  211. Foleman says:

    PJP and New Hope meet in week 2. Should be a good barometer of where both teams are. Not sure if its confirmed but I’ve heard that Archbishop Carroll’s QB is now at PJP.

  212. MGS930 says:

    Everyone talks about the higher classes I am going to show some love to 3-A…it should be interesting this season with Neumann Goretti moving up and PJP moving down to that class…Egan, NG, New Hope, Lansdale, PJP, Future, KIPP, Prep Charter….Egan(12) and New hope(1) look to be favorites. Both Return a tons of starters.

  213. Buddy says:

    OK, I think I got it.

    Nothing slow ’bout me!

  214. Buddy says:

    Testing 1, 2 ,3

  215. Mick says:

    Is there any team that can challenge Coatesville in District 1? How is Garnett Valley looking for this year? I think that coach at GV has done a terrific job the last few years. Love the way his offense pounds the ball. Blue collar.

  216. Neutral Observer says:

    Love the new website layout!!!

  217. Mcd65 says:

    I really like the new format. Very easy to maneuver . Great job !!!

  218. Knight Time says:

    @Mick it looked like the qb from Pennsbury carried that team last year, especially with his legs. Looks like it will be NP or Neshaminy this year

  219. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    Love the new look – good work!

  220. Knight Time says:

    @Mick it looked the qb from Pennsbury carried that team last year, especially with his legs. Looks like it will be NP or Neshaminy this year

  221. mark says:


  222. phillyboy says:

    Whoa, look at you, you guys outdid yourselves; will never be the same. Like the dude who suddenly appears with a new hottie out of the blue, or the person who nonchalantly pulls up in his brand new car and acts like everything is normal, whistling to himself. Got it going on.

  223. Kmac says:

    WOW! Great new-look website!

    Best of luck going forward, Dave.

  224. Mick says:

    Derrick, Pennsbury was the team to beat last year, but I believe they lost a lot of starters. Neshaminy returns some skilled players so I would think they would be the favorite. Players to watch Neshaminys QB and the TE/MLB/RB (Oleh) who is a very nice kid, and the TE from CR South are very good players.

  225. Anthracite says:

    Not sure on Chambers but heard he is gone.

    Im going

  226. Derrick says:

    Anyone have any predictions for Suburban One?
    Standings? Leaders? Who stands out this year?

  227. dawgpound says:

    PIAA oversight committee recently had a meeting in june and is recommending to its members at its july meeting that all students who transfer after 10th grade to play football or basketball at a private or public school must sit out a year. Hopefully this will stop students from transfering. If passed rule would take effect in 2020-2021 season.

  228. jtrun says:

    Anybody have predictions for the Schuylkill League? I heard the running back from Lehighton-Bradley Chambers has been dismissed

  229. Red knight says:

    Don’t forget that Berks picked up talented soph to be Larkin at hb from Wyomissing last year, and this year freshmen hb to be cacchione from Wyomissing as well.

  230. toby kimbal says:

    Hey Foleman,

    BC does deserve credit for adding those teams this year. Will be some great games on that new turf!

    I still believe “Football Schools” that attract athletes from other areas, whether public or private, should want to play at the highest classification if they want the full respect of the football community. I am not impressed by smaller schools that have established a great football program, which then attracts great football players to come to their school, but continue to play at lower classifications and destroy other small schools . Move Up and challenge your team!

    Week two will be a great week in Berks County football as CD @ BC and Mifflin @ Wilson. Two great games within 5 miles of each other.

    I believe CD has the toughest schedule in D3 as they have Wilson, BC, MT, CV, H-burg, State College and the rest of the Mid Penn schedule. WOW!

  231. Foleman says:

    Toby, I heard Daniel Boone or Pope John Paul, He wasn’t happy with his number of carries as BC tried to make all of their stud backs happy with everyone getting carries-Lutz, George, Dabney,Garcia, Foley, Myers, Newton. Too many talented running backs and not enough touches for everyone. All but Lutz & Dabney are back and now add MacFoy. Brandon George who just verballed to Pitt didn’t even have much film to show colleges. MacFoy will play but he will have to battle a talented Soph RB Myers to even start. Cant complain about BC’S schedule this year-Central Dauphin, McDonough, Malvern Prep, Exeter, Wyo is as tough as any.

  232. toby kimbal says:


    Foley may be a better player than Macfoy and I’ll admit I’ve never seen him play but you can’t compare stats between BC and that cupcake schedule, to Wilson or MT or CD or CV. Foley may be the next Barkley but you can’t compare stats.

    So where is he going? And why did he leave BC?

    And yes Lockhart should be the feature back and would have been even if MacFoy stayed there. MacFoy is a scat back / slot receiver / returner. Prefers to run wide vs hit the hole.

  233. Foleman says:

    Toby, Sausmann, MacFoy wasnt even living in Wilson’s SD, his Grandpop died and his parents moved into his house in the Muhlenberg SD. Wilson found out and was going to kick him out. Quinn Foley, the top tailback in the region is transferring out of BC, he averaged 14.5 YPC to MacFoy’s 4.5 YPC and lit it up at PSU’S elite camp. But thats not big news.
    And who is taking MacFoy’s tailback position at Wilson? Avanti Lockhart, a transfer from Berks Catholic. BC loses more players to transfer’s and turns down Football transfers who want to transfer in. Don’t lump them in with the TEP”S, ECP”S, McDevitt’s and Beca’s.

  234. Foleman says:

    Saussman, MacFoy wasn’t even living in Wilson’s SD, his grandpop died, his parents inherited the house in Muhlenberg’s SD and moved in, Wilson found out and was going to kick him out of school. Quinn Foley, the top tailback in the region is transferring out of Berks Catholic, he averaged 14.5 yards a carry VS MacFoy’s 4.5 and lit it up at PSU’S elite camp. And BTW, who is going to take MacFoy’s place at Wilson? Avanti Lockhart, formerly of Berks Catholic. BC turns down football transfers and has more kids transfer out than transfer in. Don’t lump them in with the McDevitt’s and BECA’S of the world.

  235. ColonialFan says:

    As a Lehigh Valley person, fill me in on the Beca transfers. I know of an incoming freshman who left our local public school to head to beca citing the usual nonsense. Grew up in our feeder program and played two years of public MS with a very talented group of kids with some undefeated seasons as well as a couple youth league championships.
    Won’t be a factor as a freshman, but down the road will be.

  236. Buddy says:

    PIAA is thinking about 7 classes.

    Can’t quite figure that one out.

  237. toby kimbal says:

    Hey Sausmann,

    I watched BECA destroy BC in basketball last year and then lose to Imhotep at the Geigle. They had some really tall “Catholics” But Imhotep had better recruiters I guess….. cause they won.

  238. sausmann9 says:

    @ Toby – well Berks has to keep stride with Becahi (bethlehem catholic) who just picked up two underclassmen transfers since june 11. both will start and one has some decent offers.

    “That” season is upon us.

  239. toby kimbal says:

    Another transfer to Berks Catholic……

    Abdul Macfoy is leaving Wilson and transferring to BC. He already has a D1 offer as a Sophomore.

    4.3 in 40
    10.8 in 100 – good for 6th in PA State Meet
    5’7 170lbs – Think Darren Sproles

  240. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, a quick update on the PA Athletic Oversite Committee’s hearing on sport championships for public and private schools, I believe it will only be a free live stream of the hearing this morning @ 10:30a (not live on PCN TV), but will be replayed on PCN TV tonight at 8:15p.

  241. Kevin X says:

    Tomorrow (Monday) on PCN TV live at 10:30a and then re-broadcast @ 8:15p is a PA state oversight committee’s hearing on the Public and Private sports championship issue. Free streaming of the hearing live if you don’t have PCN. Check out their web site and schedule for more info…….

  242. Buddy says:

    That’s because there’s no schools up there that anyone wants to transfer to. Maybe from.

  243. mark d says:

    Hey did you hear about all the transfers up here in district 2? oh forgot their are none !!!!!

  244. Coach D says:


    I know one was from that class. Kratee was at neshmaniny. He started at DT for them in 2016. He transferred to Egan and starts on both sides of the ball for them now. No idea the reason he transferred.

  245. Eagles91 says:


    I did not say after jr year. I was referring to your comment about leaving nesh, it happens and with very good D1-D1AA players.

  246. Mick says:

    You are telling me 7 kids left after their junior year? Share the starting positions? And if so shame on those parents

  247. Mike A says:

    @Tony Ramos
    Just a note on D1 recruits and transfers. As a Cumberland Valley fan since the mid 80’s, the fan base gets exited when we have ONE D1 recruit at a skill position. A D3 championship or two will likely be in the works along with a top 10 6A ranking. When we have two (a skill position and a lineman), and that’s rare, we are expecting to be in the top 5 6A and possible compete for a state title. CV competes based on teamwork, running an offense that can be difficult to defend, wearing opponents down, and a bevy of good if not great role players. Even during the state championship run in 1992 Jon Richie and Askari Adams were the only D1 recruits and Adams was just a sophomore at the time. Over the course of the last ten years I can only remember three Div 1 recruits (Kevin Snyder-Rutgers, Kyle Friend-Temple, and Charlie Katshir-Penn State), and “no” they weren’t transfers. I can’t imagine having 3 or more Div 1 recruits/transfers like a lot of these schools have every year.

  248. Eagles91 says:


    There are at least 7 players to leave Nesh for a variety of reasons from class of 2019.


    I believe the deciding factor for PIAA is you cannot turn 19 before september first, however IA does not have these rules that is why you see some athletes who stayed back or reclass along the way finish back at an IA school.

  249. FridayNightLights says:

    @Newman, @Knight Time

    Do tell, I like good gossip. Is there a name or team he has played for that one might know?

  250. LT4666 says:

    Can’t wait until Imhotep kickoff it season on August 31st against DeMatha at the NW Super site! Friday night lights! Don’t know of any transfers other than Speights but the Panthers will have a Senior heavy lineup on both sides of the ball! Mixed in with juniors and sophomores at key positions! 3 of the top 40 players statewide.

  251. D1Coach says:


    Your comment about what a kid does in middle school is not completely true. Unless the PIAA has again changed their eligibility rules (which is possible I’ve been out of the AD loop for a couple years now) a student athlete’s eligibility (clock) if you will actually starts in 7th grade. They have six years from the time they start 7th grade to finish their eligibility. AD’s are responsible (at least in theory) for tracking that. I don’t know how the student athlete mentioned would be regarded since he was at non-PIAA member institutions when he allegedly repeated but at least in theory he could potentially be ineligible for his senior year. Now because it was before high school I doubt it will be enforced but I know there have been students who have transferred from PCL and Public League schools to Inter-Ac schools, repeated a grade, then transferred back and were, at least initially, ineligible for their “Senior (5th)” year of HS. This was many moons ago when the entrance of PCL schools was new.

  252. Kevin X says:

    I saw that Coatesville is scheduled to play Middletown South from New Jersey at home on Thursday August 30th at 6p. I am assuming that is correct and official. If so, that is a quick turnaround for the Red Raiders coming off a potentially tough opening road game the previous Saturday afternoon up in Harrisburg. Guess on the plus side, at least for us fans, gives us an early Labor Day weekend game to check out.

  253. Newman says:

    @ Knight Time
    I heard he’s from North Jersey and he’s not meeting expectations just yet.

  254. newman says:

    @ Knight Time
    I heard he’s from North Jersey and I heard he’s not meeting expectations just yet.

  255. Knight Time says:

    @Derrick….no one from Neshaminy.

  256. Mick says:

    I did not hear anyone leaving Neshaminy. If so, Why? To leave Steve Wilmot,his staff, and that packed stadium every week?

  257. MGS0930 says:

    Someone mentioned Neumann Goretti and Egan about transfers and returning players…very interested to see what players both teams bring in this season. NG apparently will be very young but talented and Egan has a bunch of starters returning including last years post season transfer.

  258. D12fan says:


    100% correct….And agree you reap what you sow, transfers are one thing but when you make promises and do not allow competition you are in trouble…

  259. Derrick says:

    @knight time, if you know, why don’t you tell us? I heard it was a Neshaminy kid. Truth?

  260. Knight Time says:

    I think North Penn will steal that 1st game against Neshaminy. If these posters are alarmed about transfers wait until the find about the new QB at North Penn

  261. Footballdad99 says:

    Westy, not sure anyone anywhere is gonna give a rats backside about a kid leaving lasalle and going to prep. Who cares. And what a kid does in grade school is his biz. sounds like you may me too close to this one. And explore other than the qb at wood tell me one kid who left lasalle previous to this year. keep in mind the kid at wood lost his chance to compete to a transfer from another school. You reap what you sow big man.

  262. Knight Time says:

    I’m with you @Route54. Too much whining about transfers. North Penn might steal that 1st game against Neshaminy. Thesee guys on here are really going to be alarmed when they find out who the starting QB is.

  263. Matt says:

    @Route54… I and everyone else in the state would be shocked if Southern Columbia doesn’t win the state championship in AA the next two years. The top 4 players return and Fleming and Garcia are only juniors. Fleming I believe is #1 WR in 2020 recruiting class and good size 6’3 200lbs. He should be fun to watch in 3-4 years at the D1 level.

  264. Kevin X says:

    Maybe we can talk Dave, Billy, etc. into hosting an kickoff pre-game happy hour and/or post game party at the NBI on Friday August 24th around the CBW/Hatboro game 🙂

  265. Buddy says:

    et al:

    CBW plays AT NP on 10/12.

    You guys wanna meet, I’ll join the party.

  266. Mick says:

    Neshaminy very talented this year at the skilled positions. However the line on both sides of the ball is a ?

  267. explore says:

    Dont post here often but I have to clear the air. 1st, the player ennis is at king high not northeast. 2nd, goretti loss a lot of players from last year to many schools throughout the city due to demerits and tuition. 3rd lasalle loses good young players every year due to transfer and no one whines.

  268. Jack1234 says:

    @wpial rules where did you get that the head coach was suspended 4 games? I didn’t hear that anywhere. I do know the head coach and QB coach were suspended until school ended, and the one assistant had prior incidents and was fired. I’m pretty Sure most schools private or public do some form of recruiting

  269. Route54 says:

    Can we move forward and get away from this boundary transfer talk for a change? What about this. Who will be the top teams for each class on the east? What about power SCA? Any roadblocks or will Southern once again be state champ.

  270. sausmann9 says:

    @McD65 – sounds like a plan, I know the Bucks have two home games before Sept and if not one of those lets shoot for that North Penn game if possible. I do want to see them once this season somewhere.

  271. WestyBoy says:

    Talk about Transfers, Marvin Harrison Jr who has transferred from LaSalle to St Joe’s Prep which is a total joke and i don’t know how the PIAA is letting this happen, He has transferred from Chestnut Hill Academy after 7th grade to Penn Charter for 8th grade to stay back in 8th grade to transfer to La Salle for 9th grade to now Transfer to Prep for 10th grade. I mean Cmon, PIAA is complete joke and so is PREP.

  272. Mcd65 says:

    Well,last year it was Neuman/Gorretti and this year Northeast. I believe Northeast with the transfers and a very competent Head coach and now an experienced OC will be a factor and win the Pub going away. They will of course have a tough time getting by the Prep which is Nationally ranked by ESPN. These multiple transfers are getting out of hand and are for athletic reasons IMO.6-2 Stack Monster, Sauseman9 how about we pick a CB West game early in the season and get to the NBI.

  273. WPIAL RULES says:

    Just wondering why no one has stated that the Pine Richland head coach has a 4 game suspension and another PR coach was fired for trying to recruit a player from Ohio? I thought only private schools recruit?

  274. phillyboy says:

    Stack Man, thank you very much for the GA information, very interesting. I know that area very well. On the southeast corner of School House Lane and Greene is the PA School for the Deaf. It’s those buildings, wow, never knew that. Germantown Friends HS is right by there also which of course is still in existence. There are still two major leagues that are independent of the PIAA: the Inter-Ac and the Friends. Don’t know if any of the Friends League teams even have a football program; they’re more basketball oriented.

    Of the big three, Wood seems to me to be the most blue collar, almost like the CB West of the PCL. Also give them props for hanging tough against top out of state competition. And no admission charge for home games at Tennent is right on. Meanwhile Prep IMO bought a team, and to a slightly lesser degree LaSalle.

  275. Coach D says:

    @6-2 Stack Monster

    Ive been coaching 15 years. Ive been all over …SOL, PCL, BAL, Ches-Mont and PAC-10. I agree the volume of transfers is out of control. I think in these players in general who transfer show zero loyalty in general to the programs that bring that up. Yes there are the legitimate exceptions of kids who’s parents actually move districts, However most in really are just switching schools. You see kids now, like the Prep QB, that are being offered scholarships being they have even stepped foot onto a HS varsity field. Some these programs and coaches are like leeches to the players while they are still in elementary school. Then you have the coaches who go to 7v7’s and passing camps and big man camps to promote their schools. Then when it comes to the playoff its only common sense that when you allow teams who can recruit which student-athletes they have in their school vs. schools that pull directly from their immediate district, there is an unfair advantage. Then you have the schools like West Catholic and Egan who receive a huge donation to use for scholarships, can use that to recruit players, who ordinarily did not go to catholic school to be able to transfer. Its Insane now!

  276. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    @ Coach D –

    Thanks for the verification. That makes sense. Those transfers would appear to be athletics-related, but with the state of affairs in Philly schools, any type of leadership and stability from adults is a positive thing. Good luck to those kids and coaches – it will be fun to watch Northeast this season and see what they can do.

  277. 6-2 Stack Monster says:


    When I said that the volume of transfers was getting crazy, I was really just stating the obvious – that’s just the world we live in now. Kids transfer for all kinds of reasons and at the end of the day those reasons, whatever they may be, are for the benefit of the kids. I’m agreeable to some type of rule on senior transfers not playing in an effort to curtail trophy chasing, but there would still have be some leeway – there will always be legitimate exceptions to the rule, though they should be heavily scrutinized. That said, you still confuse me. I understand that you are good with a public school “benefitting from favorable developments”, as am I. However, you noted that you “think they should discourage transfers regardless of the type of school.” So as it stands, you will be running the sidelines with your viking helmet but, and I ask this question sincerely, what would your reaction have been had all these kids gone to Prep, LaSalle, or Wood?

    And speaking of those three, you seem to have a particular grievance with Prep, while giving LaSalle and Wood a pass. Why is that? I get that to an extent everyone looks at them as the evil empire due to their success, but are they doing something so different from the other two? Or any anyone else, some publics included, for that matter?

    Again, not looking to pick a fight, just open a dialogue.

    As for your question about Germantown Academy:

    School was originally located at Greene St. & Schoolhouse Lane (south of Germantown Ave.); that’s just less than a mile from the current location of LaSalle University, who moved there in 1930. While at this location sports were played on a field on campus, but the school also utilized the facilities at the Germantown Cricket Club – I believe that football was exclusive to the school’s own field, but verification of that fact may have been lost to time. GA moved to its current location in Ft. Washington in 1965. The tale I’ve heard is that some rich dude who owned the land offered it up to all the city academies for free, with the only stipulation being that the school would have to become co-ed. GA obliged. Bonus fun fact: The GA/Penn Charter football rivalry is the oldest in the United States, dating back to 1886.

    @McD65 & @sausmann9 –

    I’m no spring chicken, but would gladly pick up the tab at any watering hole in Doylestown to hear some stories from a couple of old-timers (original gangsters?) like you.

  278. Coach D says:


    NG was no guarantee to even make it out of districts this year. They are at AAA the next two years with Egan, Lansdale, New Hope, PJP, SOF and KIPP. NG was a senior heavy last season and only returns a handful starters on both sides. Even Less now with Britt and Ennis headed to NE. In District 12, Egan the favorite in AAA. Egan returns all skill positioned players on offense and 2/3 starters on the line and if they are smart they move majors to guard because they have Harris..defensively they returned majority of the front 7.

  279. Brian says:

    the NG players know that they have to go through Southern Columbia the next two years and they couldn’t do it this year with their so called 7 division 1 players.

  280. Mcd65 says:

    Sausman9, yes I used to go to the NBI quite a bit after West games years ago. I cant get around very well due to health issues , but maybe after a game this year I can make it over and get together and talk about the sport we love. I sometimes get to the Candlewick . Philly boy, cant help you with the GA info. As far back as I remember GA has been in Fort Washington.

  281. Mike A. says:

    @Tony Ramos

    “Both the RB’s on CV were transfers in state title year (Gumby & McKillop)”

    Brandon McKillip was not a transfer. Gumby transferred from East Pennsboro in 1992 and they didn’t “bring in” Regis Perry in 2001. Regis Perry moved here from Ohio (I thought originally it was western PA) in 2001. The Perry transfer was from Cleveland, Ohio because his family moved here to Silver Spring Township AND he only played the second half of the season. Gumby had a bad leg most of the second half of the season and actually made more of an impact at LB on defense than at running back.

    “Over the years everyone has benefited.”

    I don’t think one transfer every TEN years qualifies under the category of “everyone has benefited”. Private and some public schools have three or more every year!In addition, although Gumby and Perry were good high school players we’re not talking about Division I transfers here. I may be mistaken but I have never seen a Division I transfer INTO Cumberland Valley since the mid 80’s when I started attending their games. 99%+ of CV players are home grown.

  282. Knight Time says:

    I thought this was a “football” talk forum. What is all this whining about tranfers? Sound’s like a NCAA delegation meeting

  283. Coach D says:

    @sausman9 NBI was my home in college lol!

    @PhillyProper I am not debating you on this nor am I discrediting anyone. Its a moot point! Fact is How many parents have you ever heard come out an say “yes we believe its a better athletic opportunity for our son” Someone made comment that they heart sever NG and Imhotep players were transferring to NE…I simply confirmed that yes indeed that is true.

  284. Tony Ramos says:

    @Mike A,

    Both the RB’s on CV were transfers in state title year (Gumby & McKillop)….then when they had Dan Lawlor they brought in Regis Perry. Most public schools do not bring in all kinds of transfers. Over the years everyone has benefited.

  285. sausmann9 says:

    @ McD65

    “BTW,moved 40 years ago to Doylestown from Philly”

    oh boy, so youre telling me I could have been rubbing elbows with you at the NBI over a burger and beer for the last 20 years or so and not even known it???

    ever chat w/ some really cool dude over trading games there (assuming you go to NBI), I’ve met quite a few football gurus there and picked up/dropped off games.

    LOL, small world.

  286. phillyboy says:

    McD65, once these transfer rules get implemented, of course they have to apply to all types of schools. Having said that, I don’t have a problem with a public school benefiting from favorable developments. At places like Prep, they have all the favor and advantages in the world. You got multiple former NFL players sending their kids there, come on. It’s like the unspoken, agreed-upon place for anybody with resources and promise to meet; in effect it’s a passive conspiracy. The District 12 final (PCL champ vs. Public League champ) for all intents and purposes is a bye for the PCL. Like the recent snarky comment from Kevin X insinuated: if Prep kept their starters in the whole game, the final could be 77-0 or so. So to be indignant over the good fortunes of Northeast is outlandish.

    Yeah back in the day downtown Germantown was basically King of Prussia before King of Prussia — the most prominent retail shopping district west of Center City. Was always curious about something, maybe you know. When Germantown Academy was actually located in Germantown, where exactly was it located and where did they play their home games?

  287. Foleman says:

    Kecin X, From what I read, if an athlete enters a school in 9th grade and transfers to another school, he will be eligible to play during the regular season but not eligible for the playoffs in years 10,11 and 12. Originally it looked like the transfer rule applied to only Senior transfers and playoffs, now, the Pubs want it to extend to all transfers for their entire career.

  288. Philly Proper says:

    @Coach D so your assumption is that you know why any of these kids transferred basically. Because to say it’s not too difficult to figure out what’s going on is just that an assumption on your part. So are you saying you discredit a parent? I have talked to many parents and heard many horror stories of things done to their kids all in the name of a sport, by coaches.

  289. Kevin X says:

    @ Foleman

    What do you mean that the transfer rule is to harsh as it stands??? Where are you getting the 2-3 years from??

  290. Coach D says:

    @Philly Proper Off hand not sure names of what other Imhotep players transferred. Gore has already updated his profile to saying Northeast OC and and the now former goretti QB has also already updated his twitter to saying Northeast HS. Just like the big OLinemen from Lincoln HS switch schools to School of Future Hs. Coaches talk to each other. What are the parents going to say? The standard “better education” , “Better environment” When you have A coach and players at the same DVC, NG and now NE its not that difficult to figure out why the players is transferring. Following last season Goretti had kids transfer out due to “Scholarship Issues”, again its not that difficult to figure out what was going on.

  291. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Mmmm, so Garlick is going to be reunited with his old coach at Ursinus this season……what goes around comes around……or small world???

  292. Mcd65 says:

    Phillyboy,You confuse me .You were cheering the transfers to Northeast and now going off on players staying put. Im very familiar with those two players you referenced and both transfers were for good reasons at the time. BTW,moved 40 years ago to Doylestown from Philly.

  293. D12FAN says:


    Please don’t reference those two players when you have no idea what you are talking about. The coaches son was QB at UD and Chris made the best decision for himself, got a good education, started and beat prep senior year, got scholarship and started at Maine last year as frosh. Garlick took a chance and competed won at state chip, he had a great opportunity. Don’t start second guessing HS kids choices, dude. There are plenty of other situations that worked out worse, garlick started at Ursinus last year….This is still the United States of America and people are free to chose where they go to school, no matter what cape may boy thinks.

  294. Philly Proper says:

    @Coach D what other Imhotep players transferred to Northeast? You’ve named Goretti kids but not these other Imhotep kids. The players from Gorretti that you said transferred to Northeast, do you know why? Have you talked to the kids parents? I’m just asking because it seems everyone has knowledge about kids and what’s going on by coaches, but not by the parents who I would rather hear information from, not outside sources who I’m sure are angry about the transfers.

  295. Coach D says:

    @6-2 Stack Monster a few coaching buddies of mine have confirmed that coach gore who was the HC of former Del Val charter and last years OC at Goretti left to become the OC at Northeast. He also took with him Goretti starting QB (Britt) and LB (Ennis) and few others with him. They all played at Del Val for him. I was also told that few Imhotep kids also transferred into Northeast besides Speights.

  296. phillyboy says:

    Foleman, ….politics? Got to work that stuff out, deal with it man. ‘I’m not happy, I deserve better, I need to go find myself, I know what I’ll do …I’ll find another man, I mean team.’

    Depth chart issues? Very few teams have this “problem”. That’s the breaks if a kid is going to transfer to a great program. A couple examples: a few years ago there was a kid by the name of Ferguson who transferred from Upper Dublin to LaSalle. But there was already another very good QB there. Kid ended up bench warming for a year or two. The solution: just stay where the heck you are, Upper Dublin. The thing about it, UD already had a pretty decent program anyway. Same thing with Garlick; should have stayed at Quakertown all four years. When he got bumped by the ‘new kid on the block’ it was almost a form of justice.

  297. Philly Proper says:

    @Route54. Yes, sad and creepy indeed. The scary thing to me is exactly what you said these are grown men saying these things, bashing this kid as I’m sure they have done to many others. Makes me wonder the motive? What is also scary is I’m sure they have kids of their own, to have the audacity to say something about Speights Mother and your a grown man bashing a teen age kid….very sad. Speaks volumes about who they are.

  298. Foleman says:

    The transfer rule is too harsh as it stands. I can see an athlete who transfers having to sit out the playoffs for the year they transferred in, but for 2-3 years, that’s excessive. Some kids have to transfer for a variety of reasons-Politics, depth chart issues, scheme. I can give several examples on why some kids had to transfer to another school that makes perfect sense.

  299. Route54 says:

    @phillyproper. Agree 100%. Certain handful of folks around that rip and bash teenage athletes. Where they transfer, where they live and what “boundary ” school they attend. That’s quite sad and creepy if you ask me. And these are not kids , they are grown men.

  300. Philly Proper says:

    So much hate for this Speights kid. I gotta wonder why? I’m confused I talked to a tep coach who told me He was a great kid, I also have first hand knowledge of him and his Mother. I think we should be careful throwing around accusations, I’m sure we all want to know why the transfer but to smear a kids name in the process? It’s a shame because what your saying is just not true, you should be more responsible than that. Where exactly was he home schooled if the head coach in a newspaper article stated he transferred may 1st? And please if you want to speak on a kid make sure you state, the kid that transferred that you referred to, he was kicked out of Imhotep for punching another football player in the face. But you didn’t say that, you painted him as a victim and Speights I see nothing but lies.

  301. Buddy says:

    this is a test

  302. Buddy says:

    @ knight

    I suspect coach Beck doesn’t know yet

  303. Knight time says:

    Has anyone heard who will be the new qb at north Penn now that Steve depaul transferred to imhotep?

  304. Billy Splain says:


  305. D1Coach says:


  306. Foleman says:

    McD65, Toney was suspended last year at the Fiesta Bowl.

  307. Kevin X says:

    @ McD65

    Possible. But he did not play in the Fiesta Bowl and I understand a suspension. I know nothing more about it. Not a big deal or real issue in the overall big picture and grand scheme of that game. I’m guessing he did something, just enough anyway to irk Franklin in having him not play in the game.

    As far as this rumored mass migration to Northeast, so that basically will mean then that Prep will probably have their starters start the second half in the D12 6A finals.

  308. Jim B says:

    In D2, the Wilkes-Barre Area School board voted tonight to consolidate all sports teams beginning in the 2019-2020 school year. That is three schools merging into one; Meyers, GAR, Coughlin. This new team will most certainly be 6A in football and basketball.

    Coughlin started playing football in 1892 as Wilkes-Barre High.

  309. McD65 says:

    Kevin X, I don’t believe there were any issues with Shaka Toney at all.

  310. phillyboy says:

    Wow Stack Man, you fill me with excitement. Did Albie Crosby just become the head coach at Northeast? LOL I sure hope the rumor is true. For a traditional public in the Public League to be able to contend for or win a state title would be amazing, especially at 6A. Since the Public League joined the PIAA their best team was probably that first year when George Washington almost beat Easton in the playoffs. They had a really talented RB who went to Wisconsin. Hypothetically speaking, if Northeast could beat Prep in the D12 final, in local high school football circles that would be tantamount to Argentina beating the Dream Team at the 2002 World Basketball Championship. Are you kidding ME?! I’ll be out there at Charlie Martin Stadium running down the sidelines with the horned Vikings helmet and concomitant fur get-up like that dude in the 70s NFL Films clip.

  311. Kevin X says:

    And exactly how much interest does Penn State really have in Tykee Smith?? He has at least 24 offers, but not from PSU. Nor does his current teammate, Yusef Terry, have an offer from PSU. Both are in most recruiting site’s PA top 10 for the class of 2019. Interesting that Smith’s 24 offers are more than twice that of Speights’, a consensual top 5 recruit in the PA class of 2019. Maybe the two incidents last year with Young and Shaka Toney are giving PSU Imhotep grads reservations. Or just that PSU’s patients has worn thin with these kids from ‘Tep. Also though, PSU has a limited number of spots for their class of 2019 recruits, so they are being very selective and looking outside of PA. They got verbals from a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits just within the past week, and are eyeing western PA’s Joey Porter Jr. as well. And finally, this years PA recruiting class is down, if not way down, from recent years (one ESPN300, the aforementioned Porter). Will be interesting to see how things play out between now and mid/late December.

  312. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    Summer must be upon us, as the rumor mill is starting to crank up. Heard that Speights might be the tip of the iceberg at Northeast. Word on the bricks is that there are NINE kids from Imhotep and Neuman-Goretti that will be transfering to Northeast for this season. Anybody hearing anything similar? If true, that is quite the power shift, and should make D12 all the more interesting.

  313. ColonialFan says:

    News from the Lehigh Valley, Whitehall head coach Brian Gilbert has resigned to take Athletic Director job at Palisades.

  314. TepDad says:

    The Speights transfer is definitely intriguing. You have a kid that’s a 4 star player but his head is not in school. He stayed in trouble at Imhotep. One of the games he didn’t play go into a fight with another player who later transferred. His mother tries to defend his antics and he was being home schooled after the football season was over. A coach from NE recruited him while he was home schooled. It’s their problem now, I wonder how long he will last. And as for PSU recruiting Panthers, it’s a player they’re in the hunt for and his name is Tykee Smith.

  315. Thomas J Foley says:

    After McDevitt got squashed by Berks Catholic in the District 3 4A final last year, you knew they were not going to stand pat. I wonder how many other transfers will flock to McDevitt this year? 4a football is transfer Central with Erie Cathedral Prep, TEP and McDevitt. A few renegade schools are making a mockery of the PIAA rulebook.

  316. Mike A. says:

    Bishop McDevitt football adds another weapon in Elizabethtown transfer Devyn Clair

    He said he transferred to Bishop McDevitt in January, and his decision was based, in part, on academics.

    “in part” = ?% academics, ?% football

  317. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    @phillyboy –

    Thanks for the clarification. I’m a public school product myself (and was an average football player on a good day), so I understand where you’re coming from. I agree the volume of transfers is getting crazy. The whole thing is the proverbial slippery slope – what’s best for a kid versus what team benefits/suffers as a result. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Not allowing senior transfers to play is a good move.

    The games you mentioned were great, but I think last year’s C’ville/SJP semi game was epic – you should add that one to your list. I’ve heard that somewhere it was voted the PA “game of the year”

    My 6-2 Stack Monster handle doesn’t have a specific meaning, but it is a specific reference. I’ll let you think about it a little more… Nevertheless, if you’re telling me that Wendy’s has a new burger in the works, I’m in!

  318. Kevin X says:

    @ WestyBoy

    So what you are saying then is that Speights was home schooled if he didn’t go to class??? 🙂

    Maybe he’ll stay and play for Northeast this upcoming fall, then over Christmas break transfer once again, but this time to someplace like MaST Charter to graduate on an academic high note and add a STEM type of academy/school to his resume?? Why not, try them all out, become a very well rounded and diversified young man!!!

  319. Kevin X says:

    I believe the PIAA is going to propose (unless they already have) another rule to their recently passed transfer rules that would make a junior who transfers after their junior year to be ineligible to participate in post season (Districts and PIAA states) games during their senior year. They’d still be eligible to play for their new school in regular season games during their senior year. They were talking about fast tracking this as well and quite possibly, but unlikely, to take effect as soon as this fall. Don’t know if this effect the recent high profile transfers we are talking about here if passed.

  320. phillyboy says:

    Stack Man, the short answer is yes I think they should discourage transfers regardless of the type of school. Apparently the PIAA still allows this practice for now. So I like it when a public benefits from a favorable development. The early thinking is that among publics Coatesville may have the most promise this year, so to enhance that with a 4 star player is all the better. He would have had to move there; not realistic, I know. At the end of the day it’s about great competition. I don’t want PA to turn into another Ohio where a public wins the state title once every 8-10 years, it’s corny. When there is a legit public team it makes for some compelling matchups and great high school football. Last year’s 6A final between PR and Prep and the 2016 eastern final between North Penn and Prep were fantastic. I consider PA a top 10 state for high school ball and if it meets its potential, could crack the top 5.

    Btw, 6-2 Stack Monster is a nifty handle. That’s got to mean something specific. What does it denote, what does it mean? Possible candidates: a new Wendy’s burger, a breakfast special at IHOP, a surround sound system installed by the Geek Squad, the box set of Unsolved Mysteries with Larry Stack…..wait no I got it, I think I’ve got it — it’s a defense or defensive formation. Anyway phillyboy here, I’m out.

  321. Buddy says:

    @ stack

    Phillyboy was joking. trying to make a point.

    This kid can’t transfer to Coatesville unless he lives there ( or with some family member).

    That’s the ol’ boundary dispute.

  322. Buddy says:

    I’m guessing he’s saying Tep & LS will be a good game?

    Maybe? Who knows?

  323. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    WHAT?! How are the privates and charters supposed to compete when the big 6A publics keep taking their kids? LOL

    @phillyboy: Agreed that Speights is a 4 star stud; he’ll help Northeast yawn THEIR way to the D12 final – once there, who knows. But I’m curious about your stance on transfers – you mention you would have liked to see him go to Coatesville. That’s a hike from Philly to go to school, a distance (across several good school districts) that some folks would have issue with if the player were headed INTO the city. Are you okay with it so long as the player is going to a public school? Not trying to pick a fight here – just want to understand what is deemed a ‘legit’ transfer in your opinion.

  324. WestyBoy says:

    These Transfers is getting out of hand, there are more to come, some bigger then others that have not been announced yet. Speights wont last in college either, 3 schools 3 years, he didn’t even goto class at TEP this year is the rumor . If i was a college coach i would not offer him a trail pass. PIAA has to get something going with this Rule, if you transfer you should not be able to play that coming season especially in the same division. High School Football is becoming a complete joke anymore and uninteresting.

  325. Kevin X says:

    @ phillyboy


    You people are loosing me with these posts.

  326. Thomas J Foley says:

    Phillyboy, SPeights actually hit all 3 school classifications -Private-St. Joe Prep-Charter-TEP and Public-Northeast. The next rule the PIAA should implement is Multiple transfers. 1 transfer and that’t it. Such is life in Philly.

  327. McD65 says:

    Interesting about Speights who is the number 1 rated player in Pa. Penn State hasn’t offered which is puzzling to me ,unless Tep has gotten a rep due to last years player incident. Guess we will never know for sure. Anyway,no matter where he plays he will be a great asset. Another transfer issue to discuss.

  328. phillyboy says:

    That’s what I’m talking about: a 4 star junior transfers to a 6A traditional public ….are you kidding ME?! As long as the current rules allow for this, you’re darn right this phillyboy approved. Really wish he would have joined Coatesville but this is very fine. Kudos to the Speights family. Hopefully some other youngsters will join him there; then maybe Prep won’t be able to yawn their way to the District 12 crown. Omar, you’re the man ….I mean boy ….oh never mind.

  329. Kevin X says:

    @ Jason Port


    Go on…..

  330. Kevin X says:

    This is interesting….usually the other way around…..or maybe a move to South Philly and N-G…..

  331. Thomas J Foley says:

    Omar Speights transfers from Imhotep to Northeast

    His 3rd school in 4 years-St. Joe Prep, TEP now NE

  332. Jason Port says:

    Imhotep vs. La Salle

  333. steven michael oneil says:

    kevin x, looks like only 5/6 changed the brackets for the next 2 year cycle.

  334. Lance says:

    Anyone know how the Scranton Prep Off. And Def. Lines are gonna look this season? THx.

  335. Kevin X says:

    Yes, forgot that the PIAA tweaked the playoff bracket for 6A (other classifications as well I suppose??), or at least they are proposing it. Are they official?? Any idea why they are doing it (or proposing it)?? Looking at D1 vs D3 and D7/west vs D3/D12 in the semi finals now???

  336. PastorZack says:

    Harrisburg moved up to 6A this year, so Coatesville gets two D3 powerhouses in the regular season. They will run the gauntlet in D1 against Neshaminy, Garnet Valley as well as NP.

    Coatesville’s biggest challenge will be keeping its Defense fresh and at times maybe scoring too quick. Look for Aaron Young to have more carries this year, especially early due to the youth out wide.

  337. McD65 says:

    Tom Foley,in a way too early prediction I would take the Prep in another shootout. Both squads are loaded offensively. Should be another classic assuming they both make it to the finals.

  338. Dool says:

    to:Mark Tyer SJP will always be a major problem in PCL they are the best team money can buy.That being said you must worry about your own program and it’s progress.At the end of the day if you are good enough player and student no matter were you go the college coaches will find you.

  339. Tom Foley says:

    Who wins this year? St.Joe Prep or Coatesville? With the new playoff structure, I don’t see anyone in District 3 giving Coatesville a game and it looks like anyone out in Western Pa can give Prep a game unless some of the younger players on PCC and Pine Richland can develop quickly. PCC already lost one of their top players who transferred to a Public School.

  340. Toby Kimball says:

    Mike A.

    Cumberland Valley is one of the great football traditions in PA. Always in the hunt for at least a District Final and sometimes even more. Looking forward to the CV vs Coatesville game this year. Always neat to see two contrasting styles of play as power goes against speed.

    Also look forward to CV and Wilson battles when they match up in District 3 playoff games. Those two programs are the leaders of D3 for sure.

  341. Mark Tyer says:

    SJP will be a major problem this year. The incoming QB, Soph Kyle McCord, probably should have started last year as a freshman. He already has offers from Michigan, West Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse and Rutgers…before starting a game. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. (yes the Ax Man’s son) is an incoming soph with offers from Maryland, Syracuse and Temple. They return RB Kolbe Burrell, who just ran a 4.4 garners offers from Rutgers and Temple. O Line comes back very strong and have a slew of young offensive playmakers. I’m a Judge guy, this is going to be an uphill battle for anybody to stay with this team in the PCL. We’ll see how these young guys can play.

  342. Buddy says:

    Sorry, NP plays AT Pennridge.

  343. Buddy says:


    re. NP, very possible.

    Pennridge would have won against GV if they had

    Tarburton, no doubt about it. Not sure what happened between those two. C’ville was looking past them? They had a great game against Prep.

    One positive, NP has Pennsbury & Pennridge at home. might help.

  344. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy

    NP could easily start the season 0-4 (Nesh, LaSalle, Pennsbury, P-Ridge (nasty)), then run the table, finish 6-4, get a 13 or 14 seed, with the 3 or 4 seed going, really??

    Speaking of Pennridge, any crystal ball thoughts on them this year?? The old “what if” as in if Tarburton was “available” for that playoff game against Garnet, would they have prevailed in that game and gone on to face C’Ville, who had their hands more than full with Garnet…….back to the “what if”……….

    One more PCL question. C-E?? Can Garwo carry them this year, does he have help, is Jersey boy playing the whole season on this side of the river or doing double duty again……as the HS football world turns……

  345. Derrick says:

    Coatesville QB Ortega is good, but looks like he put on some weight in the offseason. He won’t be as quick as he was last year. I’m waiting for the week 1 NP/Neshaminy match up. I like Redskin QB McAndrews to take a huge leap from the very good year he had last year. They should repeat as Suburban One National Champs. Wouldn’t mind a Neshaminy/Coatesville matchup in the playoffs.

  346. Buddy says:

    @ kevin

    Watching the state final last year, I was amazed at all the underclassmen SJP had starting. No re-loading, already loaded.

    LaSalle always good. It’s just that in recent years prep has out-recruited them.

    NP could be disappointing this year. Unless they have some unknowns under wraps.

    NP has missed the playoffs once in the last 20 years. This could be the second time.

  347. Mike A. says:

    @Daryl I have followed Cumberland Valley football since the mid 80’s and I can tell you they haven’t had more than 4 or 5 players transfers from nearby districts over the last 30+ years. In fact, they have lost way more good players to other schools in the area like Trinity. I may be missing someone but Corey Gumby (East Pennsboro) 1992 when they won the state championship and Steve Smith (Trinity) are really the only two I remember that have had an impact. They did get a big fullback in from the Pittsburgh area in the early 2000’s but that was a legitimate transfer as the parents moved here.

  348. Route54 says:

    Looks like schedules are 90 % complete. Noticed a few with week #1 missing. When will schedules be completely done?

  349. phillyboy says:

    phillyboy back at it again — cause you know this stuff is therapeutic man.

    Toby, not a bad rant, came out swinging with some creative lines, fueled by sincere exasperation. I sure hope you’re right about Coatesville. They got a stud QB coming back, started last year as a sophomore. Kid has what it takes to win a 6A state title: confidence, hunger, football instincts plus a nice skill set. Kid can scramble like nobody’s business; not to THAT extent but he is almost a little reminiscent of Eugene Jarvis how he bounces off players. And if I’m not mistaken they have most of their excellent skill players back — I hope I’m right on that. I’m all in with Coatesville BABY! — this year’s version of the ‘great public hope’ — at least on this side of the state.

    Daryl, yes, apparently some publics do acquire some players here and there but here’s the thing: the privates tend to pluck the elite players (must be nice) and the publics are then left to deal with the fallout. Look, if McCray hadn’t absconded to the Prep, North Penn wouldn’t have had a need to accept the Norristown transfer. I absolutely and totally appreciate the young man’s efforts this past year (the problem with 2017 North Penn was the D) and am disappointed that he’s now at Imhotep. For that matter there’s a good chance DePaul would have stayed at Norristown if Isaac Jones hadn’t been recruited to LaSalle. It creates a domino effect. Poor Norristown — they lost 2 QBs. They should have called 911; they were victims of a ‘home district invasion’.

  350. Toby Kimball says:

    Awwwwww……. Did the Big Bad Non Boundary Schools get their feelings hurt? Well just go to the nearest Youth League and ask their best players to come help your football team. That should make it all better. After all you need to keep the Boosters happy. Or is that college? Basically the same thing right.

  351. Kevin X says:

    I’ll follow along with Toby’s football talk…..

    What’s the outlook for our beloved D12 PCL top teams, SJP, LaSalle and Wood?? SJP just re-load?? Their defense carried them for a good part of last year, until they implode the last two games (or were very over rated). I’ll assume another deep playoff run from them. Lasalle I though last year they’d make more noise, but still played well. That same old same old week 2 playoff meeting with SJP again. Really wish they would figure out a way to avoid each other so early in the playoffs. Injury to the QB, but the back-up stepped up nicely. Wood, new coach, lost D1 RB and TE (ok, they loose D1 talent every year, I get it), but like SJP, just reload?? Playing up in 5A shouldn’t be an issue and another deep playoff, if not another championship game appearance in the cards?? Any word on that possible rumored week 2?? match-up with Imhotep???

    OK, the South Philly All-Stars, aka Neumann-Goeretti. One hit wonders?? Appears that they lost a ton of top talent. Any thoughts??

  352. Buddy says:

    @ Darrl

    NP does not get 3 or 4 transfers every year! Tired of hearing that crap!

    The privates entire student/athletes are recruits, in effect. I mean nobody HAS to go to prep, LS or wood. One doesn’t have to go to a public school either, but if they don’t have the $$$, then they HAVE to.

    Also, the privates CAN and DO give scholarships based on academics and NEED base. Let’s not pretend there’s little difference between boundary & non when recruiting!

  353. Daryl says:

    Toby as I can see you like to target non boundary schools but why is it OK for.boundary schools to recruit? Just a coincidence north Penn gets 3 or 4 transfers a year that are great athletes? Same with other top public programs? Now I can agree changes need to be made bit please don’t act like public schools don’t play the same game.

  354. D1Coach says:


    Just because it doesn’t occur in a classroom, doesn’t mean it’s not education. Most professionals will tell you that athletics and extra-curricular activities is every bit as important or more in the development of a student than Math, English, and Science Class. Also when talking about urban school districts especially successful athletic programs greatly increase the climate and culture of those buildings and have been universally proven to diminish high risk behaviors. Making the statement that athletics is not a part of the educational experience goes against everything most data and research by “the experts everywhere” that has been presented for the last 30 years.

  355. Toby Kimball says:

    Football it is then….

    Coatesville will have the fastest team in the state

    Manheim Central has a quarterback – Evan Simon – who already has an offer from West Virginia as a Sophomore and will be the best QB in the state before he graduates.

    Cantral Dauphin and Wilson are both young and will be strong, but should peak next year.

    Cumberland Valley lost a lot but will still be a tough squad as always.

    And the reality is none of these proud, accomplished, awesome football programs, that are filled with tradition, have much of a chance against a Non Boundary School in the Philly area. They have 10 million people within an hour drive which make the probability of finding great athletes a lot easier.

    There is a reason there are classifications in athletics…… The more kids in the school district the better chance of having more great athletes. The only people that can’t understand that are the same people that think Trump doesn’t know why the $130k went to Stormy 🙂

  356. D12FAN says:

    Hey Toby

    While we are at it, let’s return the school property taxes to the people who send their children to Private/Catholic schools.

    Someone mentioned Catholic schools budgets, let’s give equal time, public schools spend about 10k-15k per student per year and budgets are unbalanced and pensions severely underfunded and in crisis. Would be great if the constituents on here would be as passionate about real education reform in PA as they are about little timmy from public school getting state trophy..

    We are on here because a love a HS football, let’s some, any football talk….

  357. Toby Kimball says:

    Since it has been confirmed (by the experts here) that Non-Boundary Schools have been established with the intent of a better education, perhaps they could dissolve their extracurricular activities and have the children participate in the Public School in which they live?

    Then they could use all of the tuition just for educational purposes!!!

    I’m sure this change would also increase enrollments from other families that just want the “educational benefit”.

  358. ColonialFan says:

    Yes. It’s an issue in wrestling, volleyball, lacrosse, etc. Football and basketball just get the majority of the press. Here’s a good article that touches on other sports.

  359. Kevin X says:

    Outside of football and basketball (boys and girls) is this private/catholic/charter vs public boundary schools an issue?? Especially when talking about separate playoffs and championships??

  360. Rich says:

    Someone asked “what makes a Catholic education better education?” I worked in the admissions office of a University in Florida and we had schools ranked and graded based on their academics. Catholic and Private schools ranked much higher than Public schools in every state. A “B” grade at a Public school in Florida or a 3.0 GPA for example, wouldn’t tell us much because many of them would arrive to school and not be able to read or write well enough for college level courses. SAT and ACT scores on average were routinely higher, much higher in Catholic and Private schools. Typically classroom size is smaller in Catholic schools and discipline is higher leading to an atmosphere of excellence and character development.

  361. Route54 says:

    Any news on last week’s meeting with Senator’s? That’s what I thought, nothing. Next time bring Donald Trump. Nothing will change the laws and by laws created by the PIAA. I guess a few hard heads thought bringing government officials would warrant automatic change and separation of playoffs.

  362. Brian says:

    Lol at the religious background comments regarding schools in the Philadelphia catholic league. Watch those schools play and you’ll see quick that they don’t behave like a school who promotes religion would.

  363. Toby Kimball says:

    ColonialFan – I agree completely with you!!!!

  364. Daryl says:

    From my experience yes catholic schools provide a better education for those that want it,however I do see a problem with a lot of these transfers but please don’t act like public schools don’t do it either.north Penn had 4 or 5 studs transfer in last year.cb west and neshaminy are the same.

  365. ColonialFan says:

    @D12FAN…by the way it was the poster Daryl that offered up “better education”. It hasn’t just been him, better education is often used by Catholic school proponents.

  366. ColonialFan says:

    @D12FAN….better education is one of the arguments that has always been used. If a kid grows up going to a Catholic school his entire life, I’m fine with that. The issue stems from kids, who happen to be stud athletes, showing up in 9th grade, 10th grade and sometimes even 12th grade. See all the previous examples of the kid showing up to Conwell after already completing his season in NJ, or the girls who shoes up to NG in late February just in time for the stretch run of playoffs, etc. I’m from the Lehigh Valley and last year a girl transferred from Central Catholic to Bethlehem Catholic for her senior year. Are you telling me she did that for educational purposes?? The school was that much better that she needed a change for her senior season?? By the way, Beca won a state title that year. People that continue to say there is not an issue are blind and biased. It’s ridiculous. There’s no inferiority comPlex. Facts have been laid out by more than one source. If you can’t even admit to seeing the disparity between boundary and non boundary you are flat out delusional.

  367. phillyboy says:

    @ McD65 and D12FAN

    CapeMayboy?? LOL Been living in Philadelphia since 1995 and probably can count on two hands the amount of times that I’ve visited CM since then. But you can use that moniker if you so desire. Even President Obama, after some ribbing, acquiesced and accepted the term ‘Obamacare’. This message has been approved by phillyboy.

  368. Kevin X says:

    My apologies to Mike McGlinchey from Wm Penn Charter in Philly, the No. 9 overall pick in the draft. That would make 3 of the top 24 players picked from Eastern PA.

  369. Kevin X says:

    @ GK

    You should of just stopped at “……best academic schools in the state.”

  370. GK says:

    St Joe Prep and LaSalle are two of the best academic schools in the state. Last two mayors of philly went to Prep, Johnny Doc etc the networking that school provides you after you graduate is a major benefit. But at this point just take the catholic schools out of the PIAA this conversation is getting old.

  371. Toby Kimball says:

    Heard a rumor that a couple LL schools are being investigated for full contact practices at Spooky Nook indoor facility this winter. I don’t know those rules. Anyone else heard of this?

  372. D12FAN says:


    I didn’t see anyone say it was catholic was better. Sounds like an inferiority comlex…

  373. ColonialFan says:

    Can someone tell me what exactly makes a Catholic education a better education??
    And please explain the kids that transfer from one Catholic school to another catholic school?? That catholic school offers a better education??

  374. Kevin X says:

    Saquon Barkley, Whitehall, Number 2 pick, D.J. Moore, Imhotep, Number 24 pick, not a bad evening of representation for Eastern PA Football in the NFL draft’s first round……

  375. D12FAN says:


    You can chose to send your kids where ever you want, God Bless America. Prep and Wood offer a football program experience and national prowess and competition like few others, couple that with the religous background and athletic competitive culture these schools offer and it is a no brainer. Assuming you embrace competition and are unafraid to take on all comers to get on the field….

  376. McD65 says:

    CapeMayBoy.,You are a like a broken record with the local Public School Rah Rah stuff. Look,I have NOTHING against deciding to send your son to the local public school, but you act as though this is something that is a must do or you are a traitor. FYI,it used to be if you were Catholic you almost automatically sent your child to the Catholic HS and Not the public school. Those days are gone for most,but there are still a percentage of us that continue to choose a Catholic education for our kids. NO KIDDING !!! We are not Wussies my man.

  377. Daryl says:

    Your going to try and tell me if your kid got a chance at a better education and program you’d still send him to a lesser school?

  378. phillyboy says:

    @ Route54

    What are you kidding yourself man?! The true wussies are the dads who send their kids to these specialty schools, all in a tizzy like a school girl crying that she only got a 98 on her test. If I had a son of high school age I would absolutely send him to the local traditional high school; go Edison BABY! If the kid is an out and out stud he’ll be noticed, if not then has a great chance to get a whole lot of playing time, excel and have some nice memories.

    Growing up down in Cape May County in the 80’s I remember at one point being tempted with the idea of playing ball at Holy Spirit HS which has a pretty nice program. Glad that didn’t happen. It’s up to the parents to steer the ship. Like a first century traveler once said: ‘When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a babe.’

  379. Route54 says:

    What you don’t understand. Pennsylvania legislation are laxed and have back logs of laws they want to pass. Desks are piled high to the ceiling. They still have not passed a simple law of no cell phones while driving, so what makes you think they are going to drop everything for a few “wussies” that cry unfairness because their team got roughed up in eastern finals.

  380. NEGraphicsSupply says:

    Any news on the big meeting with Piaa and our beloved Senators? I Was told by a friend from Dauphin county that it was a total blow off. In other words, nothing more than a listen and “sweet talk” session. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Waste of time and overhyped news. I was also told from a lawyer friend it will be very hard to change 1972. PIAA is not going to lay down and look incompetent. They have lawyers too. You can’t tell anyone what school they attend or living preferences. Especially when you pay for education.

  381. Billy Splain says:

    sausman, will be publishing an updated east west roster later today. There have been many changes since the original announcement

  382. Billy Splain says:

    good read here:

  383. Footballdad99 says:

    Foleman thanks. I am in the philly area, not mentioned down here. I don’t see any changes coming. None. Get ready for more of same old.

  384. Foleman says:

    Footballdad99, the hearing was broadcast on Channel 12, I watched it, and yes, the Catholic League did send in the Big Guns-(Lawyers)

  385. Footballdad99 says:

    Foleman,I have a hard time believing Philly Cath league sent some shark lawyers to Harrisburg for a PIAA meeting. They can barely afford to heat their schools. The issue is the PIAA charter. The PCL probably read it aloud and case closed. Clearly states Championships for all. The charter has to be changed, and that will allow for the different championships. Until then nothing will change and not worth talking about.

  386. Damon says:

    Colonial fan. they can have all the meetings they want with the senators. Nothing is going to change.

  387. Damon says:

    I’m hearing Marian is loaded up again in Single A. Any truth to this?

  388. Foleman says:

    Cantafio is in way over his head. Mike Williams, the former HC of Manheim Central had a hearing in front of Several state reps and had his head handed to him by the Philadelphia Catholic league Lawyers. It was embarrassing. In fact, many of the State Reps wondered why there was even a hearing in the 1st place. Seperate playoffs between Public and Private will never happen.

  389. ColonialFan says:

    Also regarding boundary vs non-boundary, if you follow Coach Cantafio of Coatesville on Twitter, he is pushing hard for separate classes. He has a meeting with Pennsylvania state senators upcoming regarding the issue.

  390. ColonialFan says:

    Article on some WPIAL superintendents calling for change on boundary vs non-boundary issue.

  391. sausmann9 says:

    let me rephrase that and ask does anyone know of any other kids that have opted out of the East v West allstar game on May 6??? I don’t need a reason, just which kids might be out or might have been invited to join. tx.

    I heard;

    Rakowsky from Palisades is not in due to Lehigh Univ request.

    The kid from Prep going to Bucknell was also asked not to participate by Bucknell.


  392. D12FAN says:

    Draft of PCL schedule link from Ted…Also hear Wood may play Imhotep 8/31..In addition to the 2 Maryland teams and 2 North Jersey teams…WOW!

  393. sausmann9 says:

    Does anyone have an updated roster for the East v West game on May 6th??? tx. I have already heard of two players recently opting out due to college requests.

  394. D12FAN says:


    Why can’t a rising sophmore transfer after Freshman year?

    Schmidt had accepted DC posistion at NP, but fell apart….Back at TEP

  395. Kevin X says:

    Wasn’t there a rumor or talk (or maybe just something I read here??) about the Ches Mont and PAC getting together for a football only league?? Or maybe that was just something circulating in my feeble mind. Anyways, kind of like the idea of an 8 team 6A western D1 division consisting of C’ville, DTE, DTW, P-V, S-F, rounded out with Avon Grove, OJR and B-town. Better yet, swap out AG and plug in Garnet from the Central.

  396. Kevin X says:

    @ GeorgeP

    “If that’s true how does PCL let this happen?”

    Please tell me that’s sarcasm.

  397. Tom Foley says:

    Kevin X, I doubt anyone wants to play Imhotep, they might be the most talented team in PA this year and just got better with a Div 1 QB just transferring in which is a joke. They are PA’S version of IMG academy. BC has Malvern Prep, McDonough, Exeter and Haverford on the schedule. The merger of the Lancaster/Lebanon and Berks County will be a win-win for football in Central Pa.

  398. Tom Foley says:

    Phillyboy, the recruiting free for all in Philadelphia started with the Del Val Charter Boys basketball team starring the Morris Twins. The Philly Public league boys basketball teams got their head handed to them in the PIAA playoffs their 1st year in..when it was an even playing field. Del Val lost due to the team having no guards. Presto, 3 guards get recruited to join Del Val and the Morris twins and District 12 and the PIAA looked the other way while Del Val wins Multiple State Championship. Other schools in Philly took notice and followed suit. NC and Dougherty closing helped the Charter and Pubs more than the Catholic schools, Judge should be a powerhouse sports school, NC and Dougherty athletes headed elsewhere due to recruiting.

  399. steve says:

    Is there any words on who will new Coach will be at Archbishop Wood? Rumors?

  400. frankie mc dermott says:


  401. GeorgeP says:

    Rumor around the D12 PCL, Freshman WR Marvin Harrison from La Salle transferring to Prep this summer? If that’s true how does PCL let this happen?

  402. Kevin X says:

    I really need to better proof read my post……..

    My previous post should have read…….”would be ineligible to play in post season games”…….sorry.

  403. Kevin X says:

    Some more transfer stuff for you guys to chew on. A new proposal being floated is regarding a transfer at the end of their junior year would not be ineligible to play in post season games during their senior year. Interesting…….

  404. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Zack Felter

    After the news broke with the reclassification of teams and Shanahan going to 4A I had a brief discussion with Ches-Mont AD and he mentioned that they had discussions with the Del-Val League about a possible merger. Not sure how serious it got, but for football purposes it does no good as only Chester is 6A and the other member schools are either 4A or 5A.

    As for Coatesville this year they should be explosive as ever of offense. They are returning their top 3 weapons in Ortega, Bryant and Aa Young. Young has recently picked up offers from Stanford, Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas as well as about 20+ others.

    I haven’t heard much about what the freshman and JV teams looked like this past year, but I know a large chunk of them where probably on the Bert Bell unlimited team that won the championship a couple years ago, so the talent should be there.

  405. FridayNightLights says:


    Thanks for the info. I did not believe it when I read it.

  406. D12FAN says:


    That is a great post and very insightful. I agree with all you said. I will add that I think the public schools didn’t recognize quick enough the situation you described and did not adabt.

  407. SkinsFan says:


    Coach Schmidt will not be with North Penn this season as instead, he will be assisting at Imhotep.

  408. Jim B says:

    The more I think about it, West Snyder and Middleburg merged in the late 1990’s. West Snyder was located in Beaver Springs,Snyder County. Neither school had a football team.

  409. Jim B says:

    Midd-West High School formed when they combined West Snyder High School and Middleburg High School in Snyder County. I think they combined the two schools in the 1980’s.

  410. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    No I haven’t. That’s the old Neshaminy/Imhotep coach. I assume he’s a defensive guru. I certainly hope he is, we could use that.

  411. FridayNightLights says:


    I saw a post in another board that said Mark Schmidt is North Penn’s defensive coordinator now. Heard anything?

  412. Mike A. says:

    “finding a plug in the middle of their D”
    Well that gives me a bit of hope as a CV fan. Perhaps they can grind it out with the running game and keep it close.

  413. Zack Felter says:

    @Kevin Coatesville has Middletown South High School out of NJ in Week 2 for a home game. They have had problems with other PA 6A teams to come play them at home.

    I’m assuming the Harrisburg is a home/home with them coming to Coatesville next year. Gratz had been wanting to get out of our deal since they made it a couple of years ago.

  414. phillyboy says:

    @ D12FAN

    When the PCL first joined the PIAA St. Joe’s Prep lost to North Penn twice in the regular season. In that first year LaSalle even lost to the Public League champ in the District 12 championship (I realize that was a bit of a fluke but still). And then Wood got destroyed by Thomas Jefferson in the state final. Imagine that. Why is that? In a few years things have changed drastically. TJ is pretty much the same solid program. I have a theory: generally speaking the top public programs back in the day would have had their way against the top privates. But membership in the PIAA has been a catalyst for PCL recruiting because of the excitement and glamour of being able to compete for state championships and crisscross the country playing big games. So the top PCL teams today are better than they used to be. Those first few years when the PCL struggled a bit, represented the time it took to benefit from the heightened recruiting.

    Then sure, the elimination of North Catholic and Cardinal Dougherty among others tended to help consolidate talent at less schools. Lastly, you got school districts like Downingtown and Central Bucks who hurt themselves by adding extra teams. Anyway just some thoughts.

  415. Kevin X says:

    Looks like a good chunck of the 2018 schedules have been posted, sans D12. Any idea when they might make an appearance??

    Are we done with “week 0?” D3 appears now to be starting the weekend before Labor Day weekend, joining the rest of (at least the east) in making that their first regualar season games.

    For you C’Ville folk (Pastor Zack??) any idea if C’ville has a game scheduled (or will have) the second week, between H-Burg and CV?? I’ll continue beating the drum for them to hook up with Imhotep, or even Wood, in an early season non league battle. That tho would be quite an opening first 3 game stretch for the Red Raiders.

    Speaking of ‘Tep and H-Burg, no home and home match-up this year?? No Berks Catholic/’Tep game this year that was rumored to take place when the game late last year never materialized??

  416. Daryl says:

    You paint everyone in philly and the pcl with the same brush but it’s not the case.take wood,sjp and lasalle out of the pcl and what teams left dominate? Most are made up of local kids.and other than imhotep what school is dominating the city? What you don’t think north penn or neshaminy recruits? Cb West Dominated For Years And Recruited Like crazy.

  417. FridayNightLights says:


    Could very well be the case with less pressure and expectations. You never know with high school kids. A lot of their success will be determined by how they can figure out the QB situation. Sounds like that opening game could be a pretty good battle.

  418. Kmac says:


    Thank you for the additional information on Midd-West. You also gave us the deal with East Juniata and Juniata as well. We did not add another team as now EJ won’t play FB, its a wash. Thanks again.

  419. D12FAN says:


    As a D12 fan I agree with you. But you forget it was the PIAA that came calling for the PCL in 2008. Before that every year we heard how the top public school would beat the top PCL teams. I guess that didn’t work out as planned. You also fail to point out 2 other fatctors with the public schools. 1. Is that most of the top successful public schools get transfers as well due to their success, like the successful private schooLs.. 2. Once the PCL is gone from the PIAA, guys like you will go back to complaining that norht penn and pennsbury have too many kids and will start asking for 10 classifications to make it more fair…

    BTW plans are in place for the strong PCL schools to play national schedules and the state championship an after thought. With more archdiocesan consolidation that is coming the successful teams will just get stronger. We will see if they can pull it off..

  420. Buddy says:


    You will be stoned…………….but you’re essentially correct.

    Yea, I know D12FAN………… nice work, carry on………

  421. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    North Penn will be competitive as always, and I agree that less prssure may help them. That said, I think Coatesville will be the team to beat in District 1. They return a boatload of talent, but I believe that Sanders graduates this year and is headed to Bucknell.

  422. sausmann9 says:

    @ PCL whiners – NO I was not telling anyone from the beloved PCL to drop their beloved, recruited up football programs especially to all those that tossed the “ignorance” tag around as if you actually know what it means.

    What I was recommending is that the PCL and Philly schools leave the PIAA for athletic reasons. They can keep their beloved programs and all the kids they bring in from ANY surrounding states, not just PA. If a STUDENT of any of those PCL or Philly schools wants to participate in PIAA sports such as football, they may join the public school district’s team they reside within and pay taxes to.

    You all throw the idea around that my suggestion is the “wussification” of sports – actually you are 100% wrong and if anything its the EXACT OPPOSITE. By letting the PCL and Philly schools build and recruit a team together every year, they are not really competing but cheating their way through the season. Anytime any other school CANNOT do what the PCL and Philly schools can, that’s the unfair and dangerous advantage PCL and Philly teams have. Take Ihop for example – went out and got them a quarterback. SJP needs a few skill playyers and they got one already (public school transfer from NJ).

    If anything the “wussification” of high school sports is brought on by schools like those in the PCL and city of Philly by only being able to compete by ASSEMBLING a team of already coached up and developed players. Teach them to battle through the tough season instead of teaching them to go out and get the running back and lineman and quarterbacks they need from other teams and then act as if it was a great accomplishment to actually beat the teams who you took best players from, lol.

  423. Live4Fridays says:

    To be accurate, Midd-West was in a CO-OP with EAST Juniata in the Tri-Valley League. EJ was AAAA because of the CO-OP. Most of the players on the EJ team were actually from the M-W school district so they should not have trouble generating interest for their own team. The other half of the story is that EJ will now not have a FB team and their players will play for Juniata which has always fielded a pretty decent team.

  424. SkinsFan says:

    Neshaminy returnees starts with its QB from last year, Brody McAndrew (6′ 3″, 190 lb – last year). He was 136 of 232 in 2017 with 17 TDs against 4 INTs — he will be a junior this year (he’s very, very good and with another inch and a few more pounds expected he’ll have good size).

    The receivers coming back include Zack Canimore, Cory Joyce and Oleh Manzyk who had 12 catches for 128 yards, 48 for 610 and 28 for 438 respectively last season (88 catches in total for just shy of 1,200 yards). They’re all good (and all seniors).

    Running backs include the Hebron brothers (back as seniors — Vaughn’s kids) along with Henry Hill, who was a sophomore last year and looks to have potential (there are some other names too who were sophs and a freshmen in 2017).

    The O line will see some new faces.

    D wise they have Luke Hitchens along the line (6′ 2″, 210) with Bobby Buchys (6’4″, 210 – again, last year). Manzyk is all over the place on D but will probably be an LB or DE with Chris Majors (5′ 11″, 205 last year, Corey Majors younger brother, junior this year) another LB.

    They have at least two of their DBs back (Joyce and Marcus Griffin who is another senior).

    As it is, and skill-wise, they have what seems as everyone back except Joel Stills (RB and DB) and Zach Canimore (receiver and DB). Then as said, they’ll be some new faces on the line.

    McAndrews is very good and took them to an 11-1 season as a sophomore so watch for a lot from him and his arm (he’s got the receivers too).

    Stills was making noise as the RB by season’s end in 2017 so we want to see the group as mentioned above fill that in (they seem to produce RBs every year).

    Manzyk is an impact player (he was all state as a sophomore and junior at two different positions) so expect plenty from him.

    The defense should be solid.

  425. Tom Foley says:

    Multiple transfers should be next on the agenda. HS athletics should not be about “Hired Guns” DePaul should not be allowed to play for TEP. The PIAA is a joke!

  426. PastorZack says:

    @philyboy Coatesville does return some skill position players, but lost 3 of their 4 starting WR’s. Lost two OL’s and TE. On D, is where the losses sting a bit, they lost both DT’s, a SDE and WLB, and half of their secondary.

    They should be fine on O, but finding a plug in the middle of their D and replacing Avery Young at one corner spot will be their defenses main challenge.

  427. Kevin X says:

    While this site was down for a few weeks last month, some of you might of missed that the PIAA inched along in their attempt to deal with the transfer issue. This only applies to in-season transfers, and IMO it is still way too little, and too late, especially after this N-G girls hoops issue. If anyone in familiar with it, you already know how much of a complete disgrace it was/is.

  428. Derrick says:

    Neshaminy returns their QB McAndrews. I believe he will be a senior. He returns with fellow seniors Joyce and Manzik who will get D1 offers if he hasn’t already. Not sure about their running game, but the defense seems to be pretty good every year. If NP lost their QB from last season, I will give the way to early to tell nod to Neshaminy.

  429. Mike A. says:

    “But from what I gather Coatesville may be really good this year”
    Cumberland Valley lost a lot from last year so Coatesville should be able to finally win one against them this year. CV reloads pretty quickly though so don’t count them out just yet but the talent will be younger and inexperienced. I’ll know more as the season approaches but I’d expect Coatesville to win this one fairly handily this year.

  430. Kmac says:

    Billy Splain

    Thank you for the information regarding Midd West

  431. phillyboy says:

    Thanks for that FridayNightLights. Who knows, ironically maybe they’ll have a better season this year now that there’s seemingly less pressure. But from what I gather Coatesville may be really good this year. If I’m not mistaken they have most of their best skill players back. Any Red Raiders fans out there that can shed some insight into this? Would be awesome if they could talk that Sanders kid into returning to the home team for such a promising year, you feel me?

  432. Billy Splain says:

    Foleman: the wpial is not considering leaving the PIAA. no district can leave the PIAA, the member schools can leave the PIAA but very doubtful any would consider that.

  433. Foleman says:

    Time for the PIAA to step in and stop the “Philly Sports School” DePaul goes from Norristown to North Penn to Imhotep…I’m sure he transferred to TEP for academics. No wonder the Western shools, i.e the WPIAL, are considering leaving the PIAA. This is now what, the 4th straight year TEP will be in the AAAA finals and will probably mercy rule the competition. This school should not be allowed to compete in the PIAA.

  434. Billy Splain says:

    Chris & Ken, Midd West was in a co op with Juniata for several years.

  435. FridayNightLights says:


    North Penn definitely underachieved last year. Never seemed to come together. They had a fair amount of players go to D1 schools from last year’s team. Henley went to Delaware, Thomas to Villanova, and Jamal to Delaware State. DePaul holds at least one D1 offer, as does Cartwright. Jon Haynes has also received D1 interest and it seems a matter of time until he receives his first offer. That’s a lot of talent on one high school team. Goes to show that a collection of talent doesn’t mean a team. Hopefully they uncover some diamonds this year. They usually find a way to develop.

  436. D12FAN says:


    Already enrolled at TEP..

  437. phillyboy says:

    Will have to manage my expectations for North Penn this year. Going into last year there was all kinds of hype, it almost took on a life of its own. Somebody with the handle ‘District 1’ was talking some serious smack. Heck, even the WNPV guys bought into it. Must confess I started to get a little excited. Drove all the way up to Lansdale from North Philly on that humid late August evening. MAN, felt like I finally reached Wall Drug only to realize there was no ‘there’ there. It reminded me a little of the Eagles infamous ‘dream team’ from a few years back. Like a great coach once expressed: ‘If you start believing your press clippings you’re in trouble. Your butts got to make it happen’.

  438. FridayNightLights says:

    @ Buddy:

    DePaul’s twitter says Imhotep ’19 now. Looks like he’s gone. He had some talent. Not sure what they have in the pipeline talent-wise. Feiser’s younger brother is there and Feiser is the QB coach I believe. Any ideas?

  439. Mike Smoll says:


    PW because PW coach Chung is a former North Penn Knight, I think it was like 5-7 years ago they scrimmaged Don Bosco, as I went down to that scrimmage, Don Bosco handled them fairly easily.

  440. Ken McGarity says:

    David Mika

    Dave, as basically a fan interested in the history of PA high school football, new schools, or those not playing football anymore, or consolidations always interest me. Can you (or anyone) tell me about D4 Midd West?

  441. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    DePaul to Imhotep? Find that hard to believe. Need to get verification on that.

    @ Smoll:

    NP scrimmages PW. Or at least they scrimmage at PW’s field.

    You can find NP schedule at northpennfootball

  442. Brian says:

    What Heartland division is Southern Columbia in this year?They’re schedule shows a lot of Division 1 games and Division 3 games. Very little division 2. I find it bad for football if they are in the small school division and I’m sure they don’t want to be in that one either.

  443. FridayNightLights says:


    Not sure what to expect from NP this year. Pretty much everyone now gone from that strong team that lost to St. Joe’s 2 years ago and a lot from last year’s team that I thought underachieved a little bit. I’m also not sure about who’s moved in or out, with the transfers we see nowadays. I saw on another message board that DePaul, NP’s starting QB from last year, has left the school to go to Imhotep. I believe NP will have a solid running back in Gorski and a couple of experienced receivers in Jon Haynes and Shamar Edwards, assuming they are all still there. They have a few other good players as well but it will definitely need to be a quick re-stock. I would say the edge goes to Neshaminy right now. Does anybody know how Neshaminy looks?

  444. Kevin X says:

    Thx Buddy!!!

    I did a little digging and found NP’s full 2018 schedule and saw that they have Pennsbury game 3 to wrap up their non league schedule. From there it is the usual suspects of their SOL division.

    I’m not a big NP fan, but I do appreciate and respect them for scheduling more established competition the first few weeks of the season. I remember 4 or 5 years ago they had a three headed monster of a schedule with Lasalle, Wood and SJP to start the season, which just lets say was ugly. But they picked themselves up, dusted themselves off, and proceeded to run the table I believe and made a nice deep run in the post season that year.

  445. David Mika says:

    Yes, Chris.

  446. Chris says:

    Is this Midd West in D4 a new team?

  447. Mike Smoll says:

    Typical North Penn scheduling to me, take on someone really tough week 0 and 1, possibly take a loss or two, toughen up the troops, and turn North Penn into the tough North Penn and watch out near the end of the season. Generally they schedule a really tough scrimmage too, a few years ago if my memory was right it was Don Bosco Prep at North Penn.

  448. Zack Felter says:

    anyone heard any news on ChesMont adding teams or combining since Octorara has moved to D3 and Bishop Shanahan is now a 4A school?

  449. Buddy says:

    @ kevin:

    NP first game ( not counting the 1 scrimmage they have) is at Neshaminy.

    Second game is LS at NP. Rather play LS the last game, but 2nd game is better then first.

  450. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy and Derrick et al……

    No traditional LaSalle match-up for the first game of the year for North Penn this year?? Or is the Nesh game the second week of play (week 0, week 1, gets confusing).

  451. Buddy says:

    @ derrick:

    Two traditional powerhouses. NP loses a lot from a so-so year ( by NP standards). NP is rebuilding, although I hope they are just ” reloading”.

    NP typically starts out slow, so this could be Neshaminy’s game to win. I’ll know more when I see what kind of roster both teams have.

  452. Tom Foley says:

    mgguy, Wyo will end up in LL league Div 3-(3A schools) while Berks Catholic moves up to Division 2-(mostly 5A schools). I’ve heard the Backyard Brawl will now be the 1st game of the year for both teams. The move will make the LL much stronger and competitive. You had to feel for WYO and BC, they both had great difficulty getting out of conference games scheduled. Although I am really excited about the BC/Malvern Prep game next season.

  453. FridayNightLights says:

    Someone posted on another board that Mark Schmidt is NP’s D coordinator now. Can anyone confirm if there is any truth to this?

  454. Derrick says:

    Neshaminy hosts North Penn week 1. Thoughts?

  455. mgguy says:

    an interesting development for D3, Berks League and LL League looking to combine. That creates some interesting sections, Wilson Mifflin Reading, Hempfield Manheim Township; Manheim Central and Berks Catholic in same section? Where does Wyomissing end up? Sounds like a lot to work out yet and most likely 2 years out, but will solve a lot of scheduling issues for a lot of schools.

  456. Tom Foley says:

    Kutztown Football Coach Charly Maddocks resigned. Team had only 13 healthy players at the end of the year and forfeited a game. You have to wonder if Kutztown will have a program in the future.

  457. David Mika says:

    Forum is back up and we are done moving to a new server.

  458. Buddy says:


  459. David Mika says:

    We are moving the site to a new server. The forum will be shut down until we are done. I am going to shut it down at noon, Monday. Thank you!

  460. Mike Smoll says:

    @WPIAL Rules, yeah too bad they didn’t play last year, that QB might have been able to keep the game close, not sure I would want to be in that game, possibly on TV, not a good way for the kids to start a season.

  461. McD65 says:

    Coach Devlin leaving Wood for DC position at Ursinus. He did a great job with that program. Who takes over ?

  462. D12FAN says:


    So in case you don’t realize Wood competes against Prep and LaSalle and other open enrollment schools, plus a national schedule against other open enrollmnebt schools from other states including Oh, NJ, FL. NP welocmes many transfers and then competes other public schools in PA SOL…Just so you know….Nice try, DB

  463. WPIAL Rules says:

    @ Mike Smoll it is already set to happen week 0 at Pine Richland!

  464. Jack says:

    I’m so confused about what exactly these private schools are selling to kids? So say a kid from Lansdale goes to St. Joes Prep. He’s driving all the way downtown to go to school, to play for a football program that has to practice off campus, and play their games even further way. When he could stay home and play for North Penn a pretty respectable program. I’m just confused… Better example for Sausmann a kid from Parkland goes to play football at ACC, what in the world has ACC sold him that Parkland doesn’t have or do better. Sausmann I don’t disagree with your sentiment but your blatant ignorance and the way you conduct yourself is a mirror image of where our society is today. Run from competition, everyone gets a trophy, it’s the coaches fault etc. Nobody can possibly be ignorant to believe all of these are recruited, it is such a baseless argument. Other than Wood, does SJP and Lasalle take many transfers? Doesn’t sound like it to me. Do they get them in 8th grade and develop them yes. Why hasn’t North Penn invested in their program to make it more attractive? This is just so silly.

  465. McD65 says:

    Buddy, stop already.That PCL enrollment statement is pure BS. I get that several of the posters here do not like and even despise the PCL, but you don’t have to sling that exaggerated garbage .

  466. Mike Smoll says:

    @WPIAL Rules, you actually want to do that? IMG is a national Prep All-Star team, that runs their football program all year. The saving grace may be to play them in game 1, while they are still getting their feet wet, that way they only beat you by 30 instead of more.

  467. CYOBALL1 says:

    Sausman, you’re a clown and the epitome of the wussification of america in todays day and age.

  468. Buddy says:

    @ D12:

    So you’re comparing transfers at Pine-Richland and North Penn to the likes of Prep, LaSalle, Wood etc.?

    Those entire ( PCL) school enrollments is made up of “transfers” ( i.e. recruits)…….nice work, carry on………….

  469. D12FAN says:


    From what I hear Ohio public school transfers make the PCL, Pine-richland, and North penn transfers look like nothing. Basically open enrollment for public schools. So if the goal is to level the playing field, disrciminating against Catholic does nothing.

    In PA, you can implement, then go back to complaining about the public schools that take transfers and which public school is too big etc. Then in few years start spouting off how the public schools would beat the private schools if they met….Nice work, carry on….

  470. J Stephens says:

    Wait saussman 9 did you just recommend private and parochial teams to disband their football program? So Roman Catholic whose been playing football since 1893 and St Joe Prep since 1888 END their football history at the drop of a hat? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

  471. Buddy says:

    Not everyone know who “IMG” is.

  472. WPIAL Rules says:

    News breaking out to the western part of the state… Pine Richland to host IMG week 0.
    Sound off!

  473. steven michael oneil says:

    sausmann9 .

    i just looked at this description, and i completely agree. This is the format that the PIAA should look at, but we all know they won’t.

  474. Chris says:

    @Matt and Route 54
    District 11 predictions
    A Marian over WV both are weaker so its a close call.
    AA Haven over Palmerton
    AAA Palisades over Jim Thorpe Both return strong teams. Dont sleep on JT this year.
    AAAA Bechai
    5A No idea
    6AParkland again

  475. Chris says:

    JT in Dist 11 3A should challenge this year. They return 17 of 22 starters.

  476. ColonialFan says:

    @Matt-Yes, SL’s consistency over the last 10 years has been probably one of the more under-reported/under appreciated things in the Lehigh Valley and they’ve probably been one of the more underrated teams in the area. However, coming from the Colonial League that’s to be expected. The numbers discussion in an interesting one. Using East Stroudsburg South as an example from last year’s playoff, they had a roster of 62 with no freshmen. SL had 52 with 20 freshman on the roster. That’s a pretty significant difference and when it comes to playing a team as talented as Whitehall that usually ends up being the difference in the game as they don’t have near as many kids, especially linemen playing both ways.

    @sausmann9-agree with your Kyle Haas sentiments. I had my son at the Berwick QB Camp last year and Haas was in charge of his group. Very impressed by his way of inspiring and motivating kids in just that small window of time. He will have no issue getting kids to play for him.

  477. sausmann9 says:

    COMPETITIVE BALANCE – I love the idea!!!

    Its the next best thing to getting rid of parochial/private school sports teams and making those parochial/private school kids return to their district school after they get their religious education (you know, the real reason they went to those schools) to participate in football, wrestling, basketball, etc…

  478. Matt says:

    @colonial fan…. as a CL fan too, I also would like to see SL beat Whitehall for dist gold but Whitehall will be favorite again. SL has been CLs most consistent winner in league last 10 or so years….teams like PA, NL, Catty, NW etc have a couple really good years but with smaller numbers can’t compete year in and year out. SL has numbers so hopefully that can get Whitehall one of these years.

  479. Matt says:

    Route 54….agree but in AA Haven has to beat Southern Columbia to get further and we all know Southern will be state favorite in AA for next two years. In A Williams valley had very good teams last two years but couldn’t make it past state semis. In AAA dist 11 I think that’s the most wide open class. Notre Dame, Palisades and Lehighton all could win it.

  480. sausmann9 says:

    @ StackMonster – this is all Northampton needed; a qualified experienced motivator. Northampton has athletes; both size and speed walking those hallways and they used to have (and still could) excellent feeder programs.

    Wait til Haas gets his staff in place at the freshman level, middle school level, etc… give him three seasons or so and I’d bet he’s in the mix for an EPC title. Northampton area STILL GROWING on three of four sides and fast.

  481. Kevin X says:

    Thanks guys. Not a big all star game fan on any level of sports, but may be intrigued by a PA/NJ Big 33 showdown, in late April/early May (current game in mid June have beach and baseball on brain, not football), at Villanova stadium…………Yeah, that might work…..

  482. Route54 says:

    Matt,interesting picks. It would be nice to see a D11 team finish stronger in A,AA.

  483. ColonialFan says:

    Hearing some rumors of a sub-regional being proposed for District 11 and District 2 at the 5A level. Did some snooping on the PIAA website and they already have the proposed brackets posted for next season, showing those districts combined. Definitely make things more interesting as District 11 will jump from 4 teams the past two years, to what was 5 after the new relcassification and now 7 teams, with Wyoming Valley West and Wallenpaupack.

    @Matt…mostly agree with your District 11 picks. I think Palisades might still have the horses to give ND a run, although that may be wishful thinking on my part. Beca has young talent, but will have an uknown at QB to start the season, but probably a good pick there. 5A will definitely become more interesting with the possibility of added teams. Don’t forget WVW beat them last year and they were not near as talented as Whitehall and I think Whitehall will be a little down this year. I’m not saying bad, but they lost some good talent. One of these years Southern Lehigh will break through for a District gold. The last two championship games have been more competitive than the final score has indicated.

    Definitely looking forward to the start of spring practices, high school TEAM 7 on 7s, and start of a new season!

  484. 6-2 Stack Monster says:


    Agreed Parkland likely still the king at 6A for some time, but new coach Kyle Haas should breathe some life into struggling Northampton. I don’t know if they have the horses, but I think there is a young, athletic QB there that Haas could work with. Should be interesting to watch them over the next few years to see if they can build a contender.

  485. Matt says:

    Route 54…..

    Dist 11 I’ll go Marian in A, Haven in AA, Notre Dame in 3A (Palisades will contend but lose some seniors), Beca in 4A, Whitehall in 5A and Parkland in 6A….pretty clear except for maybe 3A and A in dist 11. I’d like to see a new winner in 6A but Parkland wins it every year.

  486. Route54 says:

    Way to early predictions. Anyone want to predict the District winners, east coast.

  487. sausmann9 says:

    @ KevX – no our Big 33 has only ever been against Texas (65 – 67), Maryland, and Ohio. In the late 80’s and early 90’s PA played Maryland and back to Ohio for many years. PA used to have an instate “Big33” back in the day as well called the Blue/Grey game I think. The only all-star games involving NJ are local ones (county level) b/n the states and that hasn’t happened in YEARS. Now PA brings in Pburg kids to play in our Lehigh Valley allstar game in June at Nazareth HS.

    @ Dave -I agree NJ would be a lot of fun to play in the Big 33 plus I think PA fans are more familiar w/ Jersey players and teams. JMO

    @ NO – that move was personally motivated. The Quips just lost the best thing that happened to them in 21 years.

  488. David Mika says:

    Kevin…I don’t think so…I rather see them play New Jersey than Maryland.

  489. Kevin X says:

    Has Pennsylvania every played NJ in the Big 33 game?? Wouldn’t mind seeing that match-up.

  490. Neutral Observer says:

    I’m happy to see the All-Academic teams. Amazing how the kids can play such a high level of football while keeping the grades up.

    How about Aliquippa firing head coach Mike Zmijanac? In 21 season, his record was 237-36.

  491. David Mika says:

    Starting in March we are going to enter them.

  492. Chris says:

    Any word on 2018 schedules?

  493. phillyboy says:

    @ sausmann9

    Ironically one of the Prep players, to the best of my knowledge, got into trouble with the law from the ’03 team. A few years back was surprised to see in the news that their dynamic starting tailback from NJ was mentioned in the story.

  494. sausmann9 says:

    @ Buddy – PA has not only played Ohio in the
    Big 33 but they also played TX in the past (way past). Ohio started selected their top studs for their own in-state all star game (North v South and its a great game) and then sent the remainder of the all stars to PA for our game. That started around 2005/2006 sometime.

    Maryland was another logical choice and shouldn’t really be underestimated. MD has some really nice talent for a small state as well as some very solid, nationally recognized football teams.

    @ anonymous – you called out an entire football team from 2003 as an embarassment and criminals that lost scholarships. I am pretty familiar with that team; seen them in person quite a few times in 02 and 03 and still watch four of their games from those seasons from time to time. Of the starters I remember, these are the ones that I think went on to play college football on scholarships;
    Kevin Akins
    Eric Halberstat
    George “Mauler” Farell
    Adam Hearns
    Jeff Ball
    Deanco Oliver
    Chris Finney
    Chris Tribiani
    can’t remember where Laky or Raffle went but those are the ones I do.

    can you tell me which players YOU were referring to???

  495. phillyboy says:

    Yo Buddy, I attended one Big 33 game in my life, back around 12 years ago for the experience of it. It was the year Ted Ginn Jr. played for Ohio (and had a nice TD catch). I tell you what, won’t do it again though. There was major gridlock in the roads around the stadium. Then they charged to park, I wasn’t feeling warm and fuzzy about that. I’ll give Hershey Park props for free parking at the PIAA state finals, but they don’t extend that same courtesy for the Big 33.

  496. JC says:

    To clarify Jimmy’s comment, I believe you are referring to John Smith of Pen Argyl?

  497. Buddy says:

    The Big 33. We used to play Ohio, now Maryland.

    Why the switch? Maryland is usually a mis-match.

    Is it because Ohio used to beat us most of the time, and Maryland is easier?

    If that’s the case, shame.

  498. phillyboy says:

    Yo Mike A., That ‘project a matchup’ feature at is super cool — good looking out.

  499. Kevin X says:

    I need a geography refresher, The Perk School (and Pennsburg) is in Upper Montgomery County.

  500. Jimmy Silver says:

    Pa football fan. Smith started his first meeting with players and parents with taking credit for pocono mountain east at diffrent times during this meeting. Rob Meloski must be so glad that he does not have to deal with that guy. Plan and simple, old school con man. Who ever voted for this man to be the next coach should be ashamed.

  501. Kevin X says:

    I saw an article that the Perkiomen School (independent private prep school in Upper Bucks County (Pennsburg)) is transitioning to 8 man football for this upcoming season. The first 8 man team in Pennsylvania. So how long before other schools follow suit??

  502. Mike A. says:

    Your source for high school football scores, standings & rankings


    neutral field
    [2003] North Penn (Lansdale, PA) 34, [2003] St. Joseph’s Prep (Philadelphia, PA) 22

  503. Anonymous says:

    The problem with the North Penn ’03 team was most of the star players wound up in jail at the end of the season. All lost scholarships.

    Great team, but a total embarrassment!

  504. phillyboy says:

    They got a carryout special going on at Dominos right now; large 2 topping for $5.99 a pop. Decided to break out the old North Penn – PCC DVD to enhance the experience. Man o man, are you KIDDING me?! It had been a while since I’ve seen that game. That ’03 North Penn team was a beast, the last hurrah of the late great Suburban One. I give a hearty honorable mention to the ’16, ’08, and ’10 teams but ’03 was on another level. It was a true power team with elite talent at several skill positions. Hearns was a great running QB who could heave the ball quite nicely as needed thank you very much. Then you had Kevin Akins and Casertano in the backfield, are you KIDDING me?! Got that Casertano screen pass play etched into my memory, dude was like Daryl Johnston. Then you had role players like Laky and Halberstadt who could take it to the house. Then you had the formidable defense with Carey at the helm.

    From time to time heads of state will extend a formal apology for past misdeeds and news anchors will sometimes apologize for a recent faux pas. Well I’m here to tell you that phillyboy needs to set something straight. A while back I opined that ‘the ’03 SJP team might have won if they had played NP that year.’ Even when I wrote that it didn’t feel right, have had some misgivings about it ever since. So I hereby retract that statement. Although that Prep team was very good, I say there’s a better chance than not that NP would have taken them.

  505. Jimmy Boy says:

    I think Phillyboy got it right.

  506. Toby Kimball says:

    Two LL League Alumni now NFL Head Coaches….. Congrats to Matt Nagy and Frank Reich!!!

  507. JC says:

    Honestly, the real issue to me is the number of teams that makes the playoffs. 4 classes, 6 classes, I’m kind of indifferent on that front. Just make the playoff format worthwhile and meaningful. If doing that requires contracting the number of classes, then do that.

  508. phillyboy says:

    In case anybody was wondering what phillyboy’s take is on PA expanding to 6 classes: I don’t like it, I’m not feeling it one iota. I was against it from the get-go and still am. Don’t fix it if it’s not broken. 4 classes was very fine. No way in the world it should be any more than that. Heck, if anything you could make a case for 3 classes; small, medium and large schools — but 4 was okay. Here’s the deal, in the east they can get away with the extra classes, albeit watered down, due to the sheer abundance of larger schools. But out west the weakness of it is really exposed. Come on man, let’s be real, the highest classification in the WPIAL is a shell of itself. Before, there was depth, a larger pool of quality programs. Now it’s basically PCC, NA and PR. McKeesport, Gateway, Upper Saint Clair etc. should still be in the same classification. They should go back to 4 classes. It’s okay, they experimented, made a mistake, humbly recognize it and duly make the correction, no harm no foul. And while I’m at it, 2 other things to undo: no way the first game of the season should be in August, and WAY too many teams qualify for the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, I love the playoffs and all, don’t mean to be a party pooper, but the quality starts to plummet when it’s too much. Just look at the NBA or NHL playoffs, talk about overkill, yikes, that’s some boring stuff until maybe the final. They need to lessen the amount of playoff spots and if a team doesn’t qualify then so be it, win your games or beat it. Play your Thanksgiving game and see you next year.

  509. Toby Kimball says:

    There are approximately 95 schools in each football classification for an approximate total of 570 football schools in PA. Again this is football only. This comes directly from the PIAA classification website for the 2018 – 2019 seasons.

    FYI…. Wikipedia isn’t always correct 🙂

    Link below

  510. Buddy says:

    Buddy said:

    2000 high schools in Cali., 1800 in Tx.

    All other states under 1000.

    This was all in argument for 5 classes in Pa, instead of 6 ( like Cali & Tx).

    I still believe we have 1 class too many.

  511. sausmann9 says:

    @Billy – did you try reaching out to Eddie Walker or Bob the video guy at Berwick??? I got some games from both of them in the past and they were older Berwick games. Might be worth a try, both of really cool guys.

  512. jj D2 says:

    @ kevin X
    Here is what you are missing: Buddy said there were 1500 to 2000 HS in FL. and TX. and under 1000 in PA., Sooooo, I looked up how many HS in PA both public and private and the wiki page said there was about 1500 in PA. That’s were you came in.

  513. sausmann9 says:

    Sorry Billy I do not have that game and the only person I knew that might have an oldie like that said no as well. He had the same idea as I and that is sending a message out to someone like Bo Orlando. 07′ or 08′ was the last time I spoke w him but he’s still out at McDowell. Maybe somebody from the Coughlin side of the ball might be sitting on a vhs copy in their attic but I don’t know anyone from there, sorry again.

    I really didn’t start collecting any games until about 86′ or so but I did lose quite a few to water damage down in GA in 95′. shoot me an email and I’ll send you an updated copy of the games I still have if you want.

  514. Toby Kimball says:

    The long term quality of football has been diminishing for 20 years simply because top athletes are playing other sports and there are less athletes in the game.

    Just look at professional sports. Baseball and basketball have players from all over the world. Hockey has Europe and North America. These sports are getting the best out of several billion.

    The NFL is getting the best out of 150 million. 40% of NFL players come from three states: CA, FL & TX.

    High school football teams will continue to contract until only schools with 100 plus boys per class can survive. And the reality is 4A and below is a different game than 5A & 6A. Much smaller players.

  515. Kevin X says:

    @ jj D2 (and I suppose Buddy as well??)

    OK, so what are your guys respected points?? What am I missing??

  516. Buddy says:

    neither do all of them in Pa.

    That stat was from US news & world report of 10 years ago. NO state has over 1000 except Cali. ( 2000) & Texas ( 1800). Many are just under 1000, Pa., Ohio, Fl, IN. Ill, etc.

    This is all high schools ( Public, Catholic, private charter) Not all, but most, in Pa. belong to the PIAA.

  517. jj D2 says:

    @kevin X
    the original topic was the number of high schools in PA. I dont think all the high schools in the other states that were mentioned have football programs.

  518. Route54 says:

    @Kmac. All we can do is hope it gets better. The teams I was referring to are coal region teams. Not sure what’s going on. I think more families are moving towards the city for work. I also believe more and more parents are not letting their kids play football as someone mentioned below.

  519. D12FAN says:


    Ok I’ll deal with it thanks…Of course coaches and AD’s will be in favor it give more chances for trophies and more money. I’m sure it is here to stay and probably go to 8 some day for same reasons. Hershey used to be fun, now there are even fewer good games, 6 classifications certainly not the only reason, but doesn’t help. You can argue the degree to which it is watered down, but by definition going from 4 to 6 is less competition in each class, thus watered down. Look at WPIAL in 2018 vs 3 years ago. Carry on….

  520. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Let me stand corrected. I re-read your post regarding your transfer suggestion, and mis read it originally, thinking you meant a transfer sitting out in August at the beginning of practice in early August, not the start of the season of regular season games later in August, at least that is what I am assuming now. My bad. I may be able to get on board with that idea of a transfer sitting out once the regular season officially kicks-offs for his respected team in late August. I still may find this tough to swallow if you’re a senior, and this is your last opportunity of playing in any kind of organized football.

  521. Kmac says:

    Route 54

    You are certainly correct. An example down here in the big schools in Bucks County When the Council Rock School District split in 2002 each of the two teams Rock North and Rock South were getting 70 to 80 players per squad. Last season it was about 45 – 50 players per squad. I witnessed a Pennsbury practice of 108 players about 7 or 8 years back. Squad looked to be about 70 last season. It’s worse with the smaller schools.

  522. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Because life happens, people/families move. There is more to this transfer issue then that of timing. I feel your idea of sitting out the whole season once practice starts is a little draconian. Granted, its a no muss no fuss zero tolerance solution, and I’d sign up for that over what is taking place now. I was tossing out a middle of the road option when transferring early in the in season and/or after practice commences. Maybe move my date back from Sept. 30th to 15th, or after the third or fourth game, or sit out any post season games. Just tossing options out there. Really other than 2 or 3 recent high profile incidents, I don’t think this is huge issue. No one batted an eye when that kid from Norristown transferred to Methacton mid season.

    Also, how do you define or describe “watered down” as it pertains to 6 classes?? I’ll keep hammering the point that it is the playoffs, being a combined district and state drawn out concoction that is currently in place where we attempt to hand out trophies left and right (really, do we need a playoff for all 3 5A teams in D2 for example??). 1 state champion out of a give or take field of 96?? Hardly watered down.

    @ phil

    Thank you, agreed and well said……

  523. phil says:

    Going from 4 champs out of 570 teams (.007) to 6 champs (.0105) is hardly watering anything. You do know PA is still in the top 5 out of all 50 states with the most teams in a class vying for a championship, so 96 is more than plenty to be competing for a title. Besides 6 classes are here to stay. Deal with it! I travel around the state and from talking to ADs, players and coaches, they are overwhelmingly in favor of six classes.
    Probably the best thing to do when playoffs begin to get to the place where there are no byes is go to a 32 team field and have four regions OR as someone stated just rank them somehow and go with it. The district concept has always been a sticking point for the playoff picture going smoothly. How ’bout this – the team that gets the deepest into the playoffs is the district champ.

  524. Route54 says:

    @ Tom F. I’ve witnessed it myself. 3 teams I watched in 2016, 2017. You can see the numbers going down. When you see 11 on the field and 8 on the sideline, that’s bad.

  525. Buddy says:

    Way too early for any schedules right?

  526. PastorZack says:

    Looks like Coatesville and Harrisburg may have a two-year agreement to play each other starting in Harrisburg in 2018 and Coatesville in 2019.

  527. D12FAN says:


    Why would you be in favor of playing 4-5 games in AUG/SEPT then transfering sitting out a few weeks and playing a couple games and playoffs for another team?

    6 state champs with only 96 teams in each classification is watered down, no matter how you format the playoffs…

  528. Kevin X says:

    @ jj D2

    Per the PIAA website….there are 570 schools participating in football in PA within the PIAA. Add a handful of others playing at the independent level, you have aprx. 600 schools participating in HS football in PA.

    @ TomF

    Changing demographics, kids/parents not wanting to/or having their kids to play football, opting for soccer, basketball, and lacrosse, and in the expense of running a football program, yeah, the numbers and quality are going to go down.

    I’m assuming you were not at the 6A Eastern final between C’ville and SJP @ Downingtown?? Full house in a large stadium, raucous, energized crowd, fun crazy game, should of ended the season there on an up note, but no, we had blowouts and empty stadiums for 3 days the following weekend in Hershey.

    @ Buddy

    Still prefer the 6 classifications. Those who say its watered down, it is the playoffs system that makes it watered down. Like I posted previously, go with 32 teams (the best and most qualified teams at that as well) in each classification for the playoffs, that is about a third of all schools in each classification. Now its like 2/3rds of all schools that participate in the playoffs/post season.

    @ D12 FAN

    I wouldn’t. You misread my post or maybe I wasn’t clear. Any kid transferring from October 1st to the end of the current season would not be eligible to play that year, period. I’d institute 4 game sit out/wait period for any transfer transferring between game one and Sept. 30th.

  529. jj D2 says:


    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This is a complete list of senior high schools in the state of Pennsylvania, United States.

    There are 952 public high schools and 549 private high schools.[1]

  530. Billy Splain says:

    hey Sausmann, wouldn’t happen to have the Berwick/Coughlin 1981 EC Title game would you?

  531. TomF says:

    Football and wrestling are taking a major hit in Pa. Teams struggling to field teams, the multi sport athlete Disappearing. Quality of football and wrestling athletes on the downtrend. Kids sick of losing and transferring to winners. I thought 5 classifications would have been fine. 6 is a watered down version with teams being in the playoffs that will get mercy ruled in the 1st or 2nd round. I long for the old days when BECA and CB West played in front of 20,000.00 fans, the titanic battles between Erie Cathedral Prep and CB West, Berwick taking on all comers. I don’t think we will ever see Pa football like that again.

  532. Buddy says:

    Has the PIAA committee even considered dropping down to 5 classes? I never understood the jump from 4 classes to 6. California & Texas has 6 classes, but they have 2000 & 1800 high schools respectively. Pa. has under 1000.

    Wouldn’t that solve this re-alignment fiasco? You gotta keep an East vs West team in the state final.

  533. steven michael oneil says:

    i agree you potentially have the best two teams meeting up in the semi-finals with the bracket change. But i actually like the idea of changing up the matchups every couple years. Get some different teams playing somebody else. District 3 never runs into District 1, so that will be a nice change up for two seasons. I think they should change up the smaller classes as well, give them so different matchups.

  534. D12FAN says:


    As much as I love PA football for a very long time the fact is, loss of population and player participation has diluted the level of play. Add (right or wrong)the private schools attracting more of the talent pool and drop to only 96 teams per classification and you have an even more watered down system. We don’t have to agree, 4 classification playoff system started in 1988, a heck of lot more kids playing HS football then and over the years, the only thing I can think of that drove the move to 6A was more balance between size of schools, so more trophies, and more chances for trophies. Now that there are 6 classifications several conferences are finding it hard to support the current system with the their number of teams. Nots sure what it accomplished? Still have a big disparity in several classes top to bottom, and ECP, PREP, BG, WOOD, SC, PARKLAND, and the D7 winners still rule…

    Why allow an October transfer to play for 2 teams same season….

  535. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Maybe I’m not the common sense HS football fan that I may think that I am, as I actually like the move to 6 classifications. In fact I believe it was long over due IMO. People will always find something to complain about, especially when things don’t go their way.

    I do agree with you on the rest of your points………(except maybe wait until after October 1st for a transfer sit out the rest of the current season, and say 4 games from the start of practice to Oct. 1st??)

  536. Kevin X says:

    @ WPIAL Rules

    I agree, at least with the 32 team part. I’ve mentioned this some time ago, do away with the districts (really like trying to put a square peg in a round hole for football playoff purposes), and figure out the best 32 teams in each classification (I really don’t care how they do, it will still be better then letting every mediocre Tom Dick and Harry team into the post season), and get it done in 5 weeks. Seed each team 1 to 8 in a regional/geographical 4 bracket common sense manner, while attempting to avoid early round re-mateches (enough of SJP and LaSalle meeting ever round week 2 for example) and then you can either move the finals up to the first weekend of December, push the start of the season back to Labor Day weekend, have a mandatory bye week, or even an 11 game regular season schedule. I’m tired of all these mis-matches, routes, mercy rules games, and re-matches of the same teams every year. Mix things up for once guys!!!

  537. D12FAN says:

    I don’t think any common sense high school football fan agrees with any of the last 3 big decisions by PIAA.

    1. 4 classes to 6: PA football already watered down by demographics, going to 6 did nothing, people still complain about larger school enrollment in each class. This decision is part of the reason for the realingment decision this year, one bad move leads to another…

    2. Transfer rule: 21 day sit out period. Just simply say once season offically starts in August you can’t play for another team period.

    3. Realigment: Completely transparent move to give D1 and D3 teams a better chance of getting to Hershey. It totally disadvantages D11, having to get through D7 and D12. Also, creates a very likely scenario best 2 teams in state will meet in semi’s especially in 5A and 6A.

    Doens’t matter to Prep and Wood they will play anywhere, but these three decisions lack common sense for all schools and continue to make PIAA football less appealing for all.

  538. WPIAL Rules says:

    Sorry JC my bad!

  539. Buddy says:

    Go to 5 classes instead of 6.

    That should help the WPIAL problem and many others too.

  540. newman says:

    Of course they have the potential to be “epic”, but why should SJP or LaSalle have to play a neutral site game in front of 187 people against a team from Pittsburgh in a state semi-final to make that happen? Quite frankly, I would like to see more of these out of conference games but I suspect the opposite will happen. If Coatesville (or other D1 power) and CV (or other D3 power) have the potential to meet in the playoffs I suspect they may be less apt to want to play each other during the regular season.

  541. PastorZack says:

    The PIAA ruling directly helps teams in District 1. Not having to play the Non-boundary schools before the championship game is a comfort.

    D1 and D3 battles will be epic. Good showdown will be Coatesville and Cumberland Valley in week 3 again.

  542. JC says:

    @WPIAL RULES: You may have misunderstood me; I was agreeing with you.

  543. WPIAL RULES says:

    JC, but why have a team from the furthest east play a team from the furthest west? Pull a 6A from Central PA to fill the number of teams. Balance out the numbers that. PIAA is just pissed that most of the championship teams are from one of the 3 district. I’m spotting D11 from 2011.

  544. mark d says:

    @Dawg Pound good schedule but for a tough one check out Abington Heights

  545. NCFALCONS82 says:

    I think it’s time for the PCL and WPIAL to get out of PIAA. Have their own state title game. Best in the PCL Vs best in WPIAL. PIAA has become irrelevant.

  546. Dawg Pound says:

    Berwick football schedule 18-19:
    Abington Heights
    Valley View
    WB Coughlin
    Toughest schedule in District 2

  547. JC says:

    @WPIAL RULES: I’m inclined to agree, as this really screws D11, who now has to get through D12 and D7 just to make the final. 2011 was the last time a team outside of D7 or D12 won the title in the highest classification; common sense says keep them on opposite sides. If this is a response to the number of 6A WPIAL schools declining to 9, it feels reactionary.

  548. Neutral Observer says:

    I forgot LFC Division IV:

  549. Neutral Observer says:

    Lackawanna Football Conference (LFC) schedules have been released (sort of):

    I think the most interesting match up is Dunmore (2A) playing Scranton Prep (3A) to start the season.

  550. Jacob says:

    District 2/LFC approved new league alignment and schedules. Schedules for Lackawanna league were posted in today’s Scranton paper but are not in online article.

    That much wanted Prep Vs. Dunmore game will happen week 1.

    The article discusses the new make up but doesn’t have the schedules.

  551. WPIAL RULES says:

    What a joke. It’s time for the WPIAL to pull out of the PIAA. What is the purpose of having an eastern and western champion? Why not just rank the top 16 or 32 teams in the state in each conferance and go from there?

  552. Toby Kimball says:

    LL-Berks merger has little chance of happening.

    LL is unsure of Mifflin as they left once before when they struggled with a tough schedule and their roster numbers dropped due to lack of success. Same concerns are there for BC over the long haul. Their own AD admitted such and was hesitant to even move up to Berks section one.

    That league tries to mess with Wilson’s schedule and they will leave and go to the Mid-Penn. The presence of Wilson gives Township, Hempfield, Warwick, Penn Manor a bar to strive for. They don’t want that measuring stick to leave. Just ask Mark Evans what Wilson has done for their program.

  553. Mgguy says:

    Reading Eagle reported today LL and Berks League looking at football merger. Could be interesting if it happens.

  554. Tom F says:

    WOW! Berks County might merge with Lancaster Lebanon league-article below. Scheduling problems were the main reason’s cited. Berks Div 1 and 2 have only 7 teams each. Blue Mt and Pottsville exited Berks several years ago which hurt their scheduling. Some interesting matchups could occur with berks Catholic, Cocalico and Manheim Central in the same division. Wilson and Governor Mifflin already play each other annually.

  555. sausmann9 says:

    @ phillyboy – won’t be Bosco. They just got their guy in place ala Mike Teel. Infante’s ego will never let himself be an assistant at HS level, he’s got to be the head man in charge and its one of the reason’s he ended up where he did. Maybe another school in BNU but highly doubt DBP.

  556. Mike Coyne says:

    If anyone has 80 to 100 lb dumbbells in good shape they’re looking to get rid of, I’m your man! Please email me at

  557. TomF says:

    Dan Connor steps down at Carroll to be Widener’s defensive coordinator. He had a 4-18 record at Carroll.

  558. phillyboy says:

    Like the Whoopi Goldberg character in Star Trek The Next Generation, my intuition tells me something. I don’t know why, just have a hunch that Coach Infante is gonna bail from the Prep. Not necessarily this year but relatively soon. He’s already snagged 3 state titles, reaching a high point in 2016 with the #12 team in the nation in USA Today final rankings. With his resume and people skills I could see him getting offers to coach at a higher level. The most likely scenario though is that he returns to North Jersey to take over one of the big boys like Don Bosco. Plus it’s a natural desire to want to return to your roots later in life, so an overture by Bosco etc. could be what makes it happen.

  559. Jacob C says:

    District 2 released a unapproved schedule. I believe it gets voted on for approval this week.

  560. GeorgeP says:

    Any Truth to LaSalle’s Brett Gordon moving on to College? Possibly NFL?

  561. David Mika says:

    Next month I will start working on schedules.

  562. Matt says:

    When do 2018 schedules start coming out? I know some leagues post schedules in January.

  563. sausmann9 says:

    @Alex B – go back to 2017 season and look in month of March. around posts 2280’s. Billtown, Neutralobserv, etc.. had conversation about it. not sure if POC info included. good luck.

  564. Mike A. says:

    @David Mika
    “Its up top Mike A. Click on 2017 Football Forum.”

    OK..thanks. I was looking at the top of the page where the menu’s are.

  565. LM parent says:

    Tamaqua is on our schedule for 2018. I know they were pretty good in 2017 and have a good number of kids back. Can someone provide any further info on them and how they will be in 2018?

  566. David Mika says:

  567. sausmann9 says:

    @Alex B – if nobody replys, go back on the 2017 eastern forum and find a reply that had ALL the contact info for PIAA officiating. I don’t have the time to find it but somebody else might have it handy. hope that helps.

  568. Alex B says:

    Hey guys,

    I am interested in becoming an official this coming year. I am just doing some research and trying to find any information I can. I’m more so looking for dates or timelines of when I should start the process and when different referee clinics will start popping up. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

  569. David Mika says:

    Its up top Mike A. Click on 2017 Football Forum.

  570. Mike A. says:

    Wonder if they could put up a link to last years comments for a while?

  571. Dawg Pound says:

    Congrats to Matt Nagy on being chosen new Chicago Bears head coach. Nagy played qb at Manheim Central in 94 and 95, losing in state playoffs to Berwick both years. Nagy then went on to be qb at Delaware where he was a very good qb. Nagy recently was OC for KC Chiefs before getting bears job. Good luck Matt, I’m sure you will do a good job in Chicago.

  572. TomF says:

    Justin, you would need to determine a number of things, What level – Physically/Academically is a fit for your son? I’m sure his coaches will give him an honest assessment. Revisit the schools that were initially interested in your son, contact them to see if they have any additional scholarships open.
    Contact recruiting sites like Go Big Recruiting and explain your son’s situation. There is still time to get your son in the mix for a scholarship somewhere.

  573. College Coach says:

    Jusin E
    It is very late for FBS/FCS schools. Without knowing anything about your son at all. I would say he would have known if FBS/FCS schools were heavily interested in him. We can be relentless in contacting prospective student athletes. So if any FBS/FCS schools contacted him I would start by contacting those schools. I would have him ask his HS coach what FBS/FCS schools came into school and asked about him. Regardless of how much his HS coach has or has not done for him, if schools at that level think a someone can play for them. At the very least they were asked about when the coach was in the school in January/May 2017. If no schools even asked about him, it is highly unlikely that no matter what the coach did, he was going to be recruited at that level. I would start contacting D2/3 schools. My personal opinion is that D3 football is much a much better route than D2 UNLESS the D2 school is bringing significant scholarship money to the table. It is not too late for D2 either. Hope this helps.

  574. Justin E says:

    My post right before the new year is gone with the updated forum so I will repost.

    My son just finished his senior year of football. He made all-state and 1st team Eastern PA football as a linebacker. He has been on varsity since 9th grade(class 5A school) and led his team in tackles since 10th grade. He was dead set on going to the military so we did nothing as far as recruiting goes. His coach did nothing for him since he was also under the impression my son was going to the military. Well now my son has chosen not to peruse a military career and its very late in the recruiting game I would guess. Im looking for suggestions from coaches or a parent that went through the recruiting process this late on where to start. My kid will be perfectly happy just going to community college but I figured if there was a school out there that would have interest in him he can continue playing football. I have not personally talked to any coaches about him and any that contacted his coach were basically brushed off. What do I do now?

  575. JC says:

    Predicted champions for this year:

    St Joe’s Prep
    Archbishop Wood
    Imhotep Charter
    Southern Columbia
    Bishop Guilfoyle

    Even with these off-the-cuff guesses that took me about 2 minutes to think about, I’d be surprised if I didn’t get at least 50%. That’s including Imhotep-Cathedral, where I’d be surprised if those aren’t the final two teams again. I’ll hold out hope for a more unpredictable year, though.

  576. D12FAN says:

    Some NJ and D12 games next year:

  577. phillyboy says:

    Yeah just noticed that Ohio’s Division I state champion this year is Pickerington Central, located just outside of Columbus. Wow, it’s been a minute since PA and Ohio both had public state champs in the highest classification in the same year — that’s what’s up. I think I’m gonna out and get me a Wendy’s chili as a nod to Columbus, baby!

  578. sausmann9 says:

    Happy New Year everyone!!! Hey all, remember Thursday is the Under Armour All Star game at 1pm and then on Saturday at 1pm is the US Army All Star game. Enjoy and good luck to our PA players!!!!

  579. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!