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2018 Football Forum

Written by: on Monday, January 1st, 2018

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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2018 season.

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  1. Thomas J Foley says:

    After McDevitt got squashed by Berks Catholic in the District 3 4A final last year, you knew they were not going to stand pat. I wonder how many other transfers will flock to McDevitt this year? 4a football is transfer Central with Erie Cathedral Prep, TEP and McDevitt. A few renegade schools are making a mockery of the PIAA rulebook.

  2. Mike A. says:

    Bishop McDevitt football adds another weapon in Elizabethtown transfer Devyn Clair


    He said he transferred to Bishop McDevitt in January, and his decision was based, in part, on academics.

    “in part” = ?% academics, ?% football

  3. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    @phillyboy –

    Thanks for the clarification. I’m a public school product myself (and was an average football player on a good day), so I understand where you’re coming from. I agree the volume of transfers is getting crazy. The whole thing is the proverbial slippery slope – what’s best for a kid versus what team benefits/suffers as a result. I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. Not allowing senior transfers to play is a good move.

    The games you mentioned were great, but I think last year’s C’ville/SJP semi game was epic – you should add that one to your list. I’ve heard that somewhere it was voted the PA “game of the year”

    My 6-2 Stack Monster handle doesn’t have a specific meaning, but it is a specific reference. I’ll let you think about it a little more… Nevertheless, if you’re telling me that Wendy’s has a new burger in the works, I’m in!

  4. Kevin X says:

    @ WestyBoy

    So what you are saying then is that Speights was home schooled if he didn’t go to class??? 🙂

    Maybe he’ll stay and play for Northeast this upcoming fall, then over Christmas break transfer once again, but this time to someplace like MaST Charter to graduate on an academic high note and add a STEM type of academy/school to his resume?? Why not, try them all out, become a very well rounded and diversified young man!!!

  5. Kevin X says:

    I believe the PIAA is going to propose (unless they already have) another rule to their recently passed transfer rules that would make a junior who transfers after their junior year to be ineligible to participate in post season (Districts and PIAA states) games during their senior year. They’d still be eligible to play for their new school in regular season games during their senior year. They were talking about fast tracking this as well and quite possibly, but unlikely, to take effect as soon as this fall. Don’t know if this effect the recent high profile transfers we are talking about here if passed.

  6. phillyboy says:

    Stack Man, the short answer is yes I think they should discourage transfers regardless of the type of school. Apparently the PIAA still allows this practice for now. So I like it when a public benefits from a favorable development. The early thinking is that among publics Coatesville may have the most promise this year, so to enhance that with a 4 star player is all the better. He would have had to move there; not realistic, I know. At the end of the day it’s about great competition. I don’t want PA to turn into another Ohio where a public wins the state title once every 8-10 years, it’s corny. When there is a legit public team it makes for some compelling matchups and great high school football. Last year’s 6A final between PR and Prep and the 2016 eastern final between North Penn and Prep were fantastic. I consider PA a top 10 state for high school ball and if it meets its potential, could crack the top 5.

    Btw, 6-2 Stack Monster is a nifty handle. That’s got to mean something specific. What does it denote, what does it mean? Possible candidates: a new Wendy’s burger, a breakfast special at IHOP, a surround sound system installed by the Geek Squad, the box set of Unsolved Mysteries with Larry Stack…..wait no I got it, I think I’ve got it — it’s a defense or defensive formation. Anyway phillyboy here, I’m out.

  7. Buddy says:

    @ stack

    Phillyboy was joking. trying to make a point.

    This kid can’t transfer to Coatesville unless he lives there ( or with some family member).

    That’s the ol’ boundary dispute.

  8. Buddy says:

    I’m guessing he’s saying Tep & LS will be a good game?

    Maybe? Who knows?

  9. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    WHAT?! How are the privates and charters supposed to compete when the big 6A publics keep taking their kids? LOL

    @phillyboy: Agreed that Speights is a 4 star stud; he’ll help Northeast yawn THEIR way to the D12 final – once there, who knows. But I’m curious about your stance on transfers – you mention you would have liked to see him go to Coatesville. That’s a hike from Philly to go to school, a distance (across several good school districts) that some folks would have issue with if the player were headed INTO the city. Are you okay with it so long as the player is going to a public school? Not trying to pick a fight here – just want to understand what is deemed a ‘legit’ transfer in your opinion.

  10. WestyBoy says:

    These Transfers is getting out of hand, there are more to come, some bigger then others that have not been announced yet. Speights wont last in college either, 3 schools 3 years, he didn’t even goto class at TEP this year is the rumor . If i was a college coach i would not offer him a trail pass. PIAA has to get something going with this Rule, if you transfer you should not be able to play that coming season especially in the same division. High School Football is becoming a complete joke anymore and uninteresting.

  11. Kevin X says:

    @ phillyboy


    You people are loosing me with these posts.

  12. Thomas J Foley says:

    Phillyboy, SPeights actually hit all 3 school classifications -Private-St. Joe Prep-Charter-TEP and Public-Northeast. The next rule the PIAA should implement is Multiple transfers. 1 transfer and that’t it. Such is life in Philly.

  13. McD65 says:

    Interesting about Speights who is the number 1 rated player in Pa. Penn State hasn’t offered which is puzzling to me ,unless Tep has gotten a rep due to last years player incident. Guess we will never know for sure. Anyway,no matter where he plays he will be a great asset. Another transfer issue to discuss.

  14. phillyboy says:

    That’s what I’m talking about: a 4 star junior transfers to a 6A traditional public ….are you kidding ME?! As long as the current rules allow for this, you’re darn right this phillyboy approved. Really wish he would have joined Coatesville but this is very fine. Kudos to the Speights family. Hopefully some other youngsters will join him there; then maybe Prep won’t be able to yawn their way to the District 12 crown. Omar, you’re the man ….I mean boy ….oh never mind.

  15. Kevin X says:

    @ Jason Port


    Go on…..

  16. Kevin X says:

    This is interesting….usually the other way around…..or maybe a move to South Philly and N-G…..


  17. Thomas J Foley says:

    Omar Speights transfers from Imhotep to Northeast

    His 3rd school in 4 years-St. Joe Prep, TEP now NE


  18. Jason Port says:

    Imhotep vs. La Salle

  19. steven michael oneil says:

    kevin x, looks like only 5/6 changed the brackets for the next 2 year cycle.


  20. Lance says:

    Anyone know how the Scranton Prep Off. And Def. Lines are gonna look this season? THx.

  21. Kevin X says:

    Yes, forgot that the PIAA tweaked the playoff bracket for 6A (other classifications as well I suppose??), or at least they are proposing it. Are they official?? Any idea why they are doing it (or proposing it)?? Looking at D1 vs D3 and D7/west vs D3/D12 in the semi finals now???

  22. PastorZack says:

    Harrisburg moved up to 6A this year, so Coatesville gets two D3 powerhouses in the regular season. They will run the gauntlet in D1 against Neshaminy, Garnet Valley as well as NP.

    Coatesville’s biggest challenge will be keeping its Defense fresh and at times maybe scoring too quick. Look for Aaron Young to have more carries this year, especially early due to the youth out wide.

  23. McD65 says:

    Tom Foley,in a way too early prediction I would take the Prep in another shootout. Both squads are loaded offensively. Should be another classic assuming they both make it to the finals.

  24. Dool says:

    to:Mark Tyer SJP will always be a major problem in PCL they are the best team money can buy.That being said you must worry about your own program and it’s progress.At the end of the day if you are good enough player and student no matter were you go the college coaches will find you.

  25. Tom Foley says:

    Who wins this year? St.Joe Prep or Coatesville? With the new playoff structure, I don’t see anyone in District 3 giving Coatesville a game and it looks like anyone out in Western Pa can give Prep a game unless some of the younger players on PCC and Pine Richland can develop quickly. PCC already lost one of their top players who transferred to a Public School.

  26. Toby Kimball says:

    Mike A.

    Cumberland Valley is one of the great football traditions in PA. Always in the hunt for at least a District Final and sometimes even more. Looking forward to the CV vs Coatesville game this year. Always neat to see two contrasting styles of play as power goes against speed.

    Also look forward to CV and Wilson battles when they match up in District 3 playoff games. Those two programs are the leaders of D3 for sure.

  27. Mark Tyer says:

    SJP will be a major problem this year. The incoming QB, Soph Kyle McCord, probably should have started last year as a freshman. He already has offers from Michigan, West Virginia, Boston College, Syracuse and Rutgers…before starting a game. Jeremiah Trotter Jr. (yes the Ax Man’s son) is an incoming soph with offers from Maryland, Syracuse and Temple. They return RB Kolbe Burrell, who just ran a 4.4 garners offers from Rutgers and Temple. O Line comes back very strong and have a slew of young offensive playmakers. I’m a Judge guy, this is going to be an uphill battle for anybody to stay with this team in the PCL. We’ll see how these young guys can play.

  28. Buddy says:

    Sorry, NP plays AT Pennridge.

  29. Buddy says:


    re. NP, very possible.

    Pennridge would have won against GV if they had

    Tarburton, no doubt about it. Not sure what happened between those two. C’ville was looking past them? They had a great game against Prep.

    One positive, NP has Pennsbury & Pennridge at home. might help.

  30. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy

    NP could easily start the season 0-4 (Nesh, LaSalle, Pennsbury, P-Ridge (nasty)), then run the table, finish 6-4, get a 13 or 14 seed, with the 3 or 4 seed going, really??

    Speaking of Pennridge, any crystal ball thoughts on them this year?? The old “what if” as in if Tarburton was “available” for that playoff game against Garnet, would they have prevailed in that game and gone on to face C’Ville, who had their hands more than full with Garnet…….back to the “what if”……….

    One more PCL question. C-E?? Can Garwo carry them this year, does he have help, is Jersey boy playing the whole season on this side of the river or doing double duty again……as the HS football world turns……

  31. Derrick says:

    Coatesville QB Ortega is good, but looks like he put on some weight in the offseason. He won’t be as quick as he was last year. I’m waiting for the week 1 NP/Neshaminy match up. I like Redskin QB McAndrews to take a huge leap from the very good year he had last year. They should repeat as Suburban One National Champs. Wouldn’t mind a Neshaminy/Coatesville matchup in the playoffs.

  32. Buddy says:

    @ kevin

    Watching the state final last year, I was amazed at all the underclassmen SJP had starting. No re-loading, already loaded.

    LaSalle always good. It’s just that in recent years prep has out-recruited them.

    NP could be disappointing this year. Unless they have some unknowns under wraps.

    NP has missed the playoffs once in the last 20 years. This could be the second time.

  33. Mike A. says:

    @Daryl I have followed Cumberland Valley football since the mid 80’s and I can tell you they haven’t had more than 4 or 5 players transfers from nearby districts over the last 30+ years. In fact, they have lost way more good players to other schools in the area like Trinity. I may be missing someone but Corey Gumby (East Pennsboro) 1992 when they won the state championship and Steve Smith (Trinity) are really the only two I remember that have had an impact. They did get a big fullback in from the Pittsburgh area in the early 2000’s but that was a legitimate transfer as the parents moved here.

  34. Route54 says:

    Looks like schedules are 90 % complete. Noticed a few with week #1 missing. When will schedules be completely done?

  35. phillyboy says:

    phillyboy back at it again — cause you know this stuff is therapeutic man.

    Toby, not a bad rant, came out swinging with some creative lines, fueled by sincere exasperation. I sure hope you’re right about Coatesville. They got a stud QB coming back, started last year as a sophomore. Kid has what it takes to win a 6A state title: confidence, hunger, football instincts plus a nice skill set. Kid can scramble like nobody’s business; not to THAT extent but he is almost a little reminiscent of Eugene Jarvis how he bounces off players. And if I’m not mistaken they have most of their excellent skill players back — I hope I’m right on that. I’m all in with Coatesville BABY! — this year’s version of the ‘great public hope’ — at least on this side of the state.

    Daryl, yes, apparently some publics do acquire some players here and there but here’s the thing: the privates tend to pluck the elite players (must be nice) and the publics are then left to deal with the fallout. Look, if McCray hadn’t absconded to the Prep, North Penn wouldn’t have had a need to accept the Norristown transfer. I absolutely and totally appreciate the young man’s efforts this past year (the problem with 2017 North Penn was the D) and am disappointed that he’s now at Imhotep. For that matter there’s a good chance DePaul would have stayed at Norristown if Isaac Jones hadn’t been recruited to LaSalle. It creates a domino effect. Poor Norristown — they lost 2 QBs. They should have called 911; they were victims of a ‘home district invasion’.

  36. Toby Kimball says:

    Awwwwww……. Did the Big Bad Non Boundary Schools get their feelings hurt? Well just go to the nearest Youth League and ask their best players to come help your football team. That should make it all better. After all you need to keep the Boosters happy. Or is that college? Basically the same thing right.

  37. Kevin X says:

    I’ll follow along with Toby’s football talk…..

    What’s the outlook for our beloved D12 PCL top teams, SJP, LaSalle and Wood?? SJP just re-load?? Their defense carried them for a good part of last year, until they implode the last two games (or were very over rated). I’ll assume another deep playoff run from them. Lasalle I though last year they’d make more noise, but still played well. That same old same old week 2 playoff meeting with SJP again. Really wish they would figure out a way to avoid each other so early in the playoffs. Injury to the QB, but the back-up stepped up nicely. Wood, new coach, lost D1 RB and TE (ok, they loose D1 talent every year, I get it), but like SJP, just reload?? Playing up in 5A shouldn’t be an issue and another deep playoff, if not another championship game appearance in the cards?? Any word on that possible rumored week 2?? match-up with Imhotep???

    OK, the South Philly All-Stars, aka Neumann-Goeretti. One hit wonders?? Appears that they lost a ton of top talent. Any thoughts??

  38. Buddy says:

    @ Darrl

    NP does not get 3 or 4 transfers every year! Tired of hearing that crap!

    The privates entire student/athletes are recruits, in effect. I mean nobody HAS to go to prep, LS or wood. One doesn’t have to go to a public school either, but if they don’t have the $$$, then they HAVE to.

    Also, the privates CAN and DO give scholarships based on academics and NEED base. Let’s not pretend there’s little difference between boundary & non when recruiting!

  39. Daryl says:

    Toby as I can see you like to target non boundary schools but why is it OK for.boundary schools to recruit? Just a coincidence north Penn gets 3 or 4 transfers a year that are great athletes? Same with other top public programs? Now I can agree changes need to be made bit please don’t act like public schools don’t play the same game.

  40. D1Coach says:


    Just because it doesn’t occur in a classroom, doesn’t mean it’s not education. Most professionals will tell you that athletics and extra-curricular activities is every bit as important or more in the development of a student than Math, English, and Science Class. Also when talking about urban school districts especially successful athletic programs greatly increase the climate and culture of those buildings and have been universally proven to diminish high risk behaviors. Making the statement that athletics is not a part of the educational experience goes against everything most data and research by “the experts everywhere” that has been presented for the last 30 years.

  41. Toby Kimball says:

    Football it is then….

    Coatesville will have the fastest team in the state

    Manheim Central has a quarterback – Evan Simon – who already has an offer from West Virginia as a Sophomore and will be the best QB in the state before he graduates.

    Cantral Dauphin and Wilson are both young and will be strong, but should peak next year.

    Cumberland Valley lost a lot but will still be a tough squad as always.

    And the reality is none of these proud, accomplished, awesome football programs, that are filled with tradition, have much of a chance against a Non Boundary School in the Philly area. They have 10 million people within an hour drive which make the probability of finding great athletes a lot easier.

    There is a reason there are classifications in athletics…… The more kids in the school district the better chance of having more great athletes. The only people that can’t understand that are the same people that think Trump doesn’t know why the $130k went to Stormy 🙂

  42. D12FAN says:

    Hey Toby

    While we are at it, let’s return the school property taxes to the people who send their children to Private/Catholic schools.

    Someone mentioned Catholic schools budgets, let’s give equal time, public schools spend about 10k-15k per student per year and budgets are unbalanced and pensions severely underfunded and in crisis. Would be great if the constituents on here would be as passionate about real education reform in PA as they are about little timmy from public school getting state trophy..

    We are on here because a love a HS football, let’s some, any football talk….

  43. Toby Kimball says:

    Since it has been confirmed (by the experts here) that Non-Boundary Schools have been established with the intent of a better education, perhaps they could dissolve their extracurricular activities and have the children participate in the Public School in which they live?

    Then they could use all of the tuition just for educational purposes!!!

    I’m sure this change would also increase enrollments from other families that just want the “educational benefit”.

  44. ColonialFan says:

    Yes. It’s an issue in wrestling, volleyball, lacrosse, etc. Football and basketball just get the majority of the press. Here’s a good article that touches on other sports.


  45. Kevin X says:

    Outside of football and basketball (boys and girls) is this private/catholic/charter vs public boundary schools an issue?? Especially when talking about separate playoffs and championships??

  46. Rich says:

    Someone asked “what makes a Catholic education better education?” I worked in the admissions office of a University in Florida and we had schools ranked and graded based on their academics. Catholic and Private schools ranked much higher than Public schools in every state. A “B” grade at a Public school in Florida or a 3.0 GPA for example, wouldn’t tell us much because many of them would arrive to school and not be able to read or write well enough for college level courses. SAT and ACT scores on average were routinely higher, much higher in Catholic and Private schools. Typically classroom size is smaller in Catholic schools and discipline is higher leading to an atmosphere of excellence and character development.

  47. Route54 says:

    Any news on last week’s meeting with Senator’s? That’s what I thought, nothing. Next time bring Donald Trump. Nothing will change the laws and by laws created by the PIAA. I guess a few hard heads thought bringing government officials would warrant automatic change and separation of playoffs.

  48. Brian says:

    Lol at the religious background comments regarding schools in the Philadelphia catholic league. Watch those schools play and you’ll see quick that they don’t behave like a school who promotes religion would.

  49. Toby Kimball says:

    ColonialFan – I agree completely with you!!!!

  50. Daryl says:

    From my experience yes catholic schools provide a better education for those that want it,however I do see a problem with a lot of these transfers but please don’t act like public schools don’t do it either.north Penn had 4 or 5 studs transfer in last year.cb west and neshaminy are the same.

  51. ColonialFan says:

    @D12FAN…by the way it was the poster Daryl that offered up “better education”. It hasn’t just been him, better education is often used by Catholic school proponents.

  52. ColonialFan says:

    @D12FAN….better education is one of the arguments that has always been used. If a kid grows up going to a Catholic school his entire life, I’m fine with that. The issue stems from kids, who happen to be stud athletes, showing up in 9th grade, 10th grade and sometimes even 12th grade. See all the previous examples of the kid showing up to Conwell after already completing his season in NJ, or the girls who shoes up to NG in late February just in time for the stretch run of playoffs, etc. I’m from the Lehigh Valley and last year a girl transferred from Central Catholic to Bethlehem Catholic for her senior year. Are you telling me she did that for educational purposes?? The school was that much better that she needed a change for her senior season?? By the way, Beca won a state title that year. People that continue to say there is not an issue are blind and biased. It’s ridiculous. There’s no inferiority comPlex. Facts have been laid out by more than one source. If you can’t even admit to seeing the disparity between boundary and non boundary you are flat out delusional.

  53. phillyboy says:

    @ McD65 and D12FAN

    CapeMayboy?? LOL Been living in Philadelphia since 1995 and probably can count on two hands the amount of times that I’ve visited CM since then. But you can use that moniker if you so desire. Even President Obama, after some ribbing, acquiesced and accepted the term ‘Obamacare’. This message has been approved by phillyboy.

  54. Kevin X says:

    My apologies to Mike McGlinchey from Wm Penn Charter in Philly, the No. 9 overall pick in the draft. That would make 3 of the top 24 players picked from Eastern PA.

  55. Kevin X says:

    @ GK

    You should of just stopped at “……best academic schools in the state.”

  56. GK says:

    St Joe Prep and LaSalle are two of the best academic schools in the state. Last two mayors of philly went to Prep, Johnny Doc etc the networking that school provides you after you graduate is a major benefit. But at this point just take the catholic schools out of the PIAA this conversation is getting old.

  57. Toby Kimball says:

    Heard a rumor that a couple LL schools are being investigated for full contact practices at Spooky Nook indoor facility this winter. I don’t know those rules. Anyone else heard of this?

  58. D12FAN says:


    I didn’t see anyone say it was catholic was better. Sounds like an inferiority comlex…

  59. ColonialFan says:

    Can someone tell me what exactly makes a Catholic education a better education??
    And please explain the kids that transfer from one Catholic school to another catholic school?? That catholic school offers a better education??

  60. Kevin X says:

    Saquon Barkley, Whitehall, Number 2 pick, D.J. Moore, Imhotep, Number 24 pick, not a bad evening of representation for Eastern PA Football in the NFL draft’s first round……

  61. D12FAN says:


    You can chose to send your kids where ever you want, God Bless America. Prep and Wood offer a football program experience and national prowess and competition like few others, couple that with the religous background and athletic competitive culture these schools offer and it is a no brainer. Assuming you embrace competition and are unafraid to take on all comers to get on the field….

  62. McD65 says:

    CapeMayBoy.,You are a like a broken record with the local Public School Rah Rah stuff. Look,I have NOTHING against deciding to send your son to the local public school, but you act as though this is something that is a must do or you are a traitor. FYI,it used to be if you were Catholic you almost automatically sent your child to the Catholic HS and Not the public school. Those days are gone for most,but there are still a percentage of us that continue to choose a Catholic education for our kids. NO KIDDING !!! We are not Wussies my man.

  63. Daryl says:

    Your going to try and tell me if your kid got a chance at a better education and program you’d still send him to a lesser school?

  64. phillyboy says:

    @ Route54

    What are you kidding yourself man?! The true wussies are the dads who send their kids to these specialty schools, all in a tizzy like a school girl crying that she only got a 98 on her test. If I had a son of high school age I would absolutely send him to the local traditional high school; go Edison BABY! If the kid is an out and out stud he’ll be noticed, if not then has a great chance to get a whole lot of playing time, excel and have some nice memories.

    Growing up down in Cape May County in the 80’s I remember at one point being tempted with the idea of playing ball at Holy Spirit HS which has a pretty nice program. Glad that didn’t happen. It’s up to the parents to steer the ship. Like a first century traveler once said: ‘When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a babe.’

  65. Route54 says:

    What you don’t understand. Pennsylvania legislation are laxed and have back logs of laws they want to pass. Desks are piled high to the ceiling. They still have not passed a simple law of no cell phones while driving, so what makes you think they are going to drop everything for a few “wussies” that cry unfairness because their team got roughed up in eastern finals.

  66. NEGraphicsSupply says:

    Any news on the big meeting with Piaa and our beloved Senators? I Was told by a friend from Dauphin county that it was a total blow off. In other words, nothing more than a listen and “sweet talk” session. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Waste of time and overhyped news. I was also told from a lawyer friend it will be very hard to change 1972. PIAA is not going to lay down and look incompetent. They have lawyers too. You can’t tell anyone what school they attend or living preferences. Especially when you pay for education.

  67. Billy Splain says:

    sausman, will be publishing an updated east west roster later today. There have been many changes since the original announcement

  68. Billy Splain says:

    good read here: http://www.easternpafootball.com/gotw-1/private-problem-public-debate-delving-into-the-debate-of-the-public-vs-private-transfers-issue/

  69. Footballdad99 says:

    Foleman thanks. I am in the philly area, not mentioned down here. I don’t see any changes coming. None. Get ready for more of same old.

  70. Foleman says:

    Footballdad99, the hearing was broadcast on Channel 12, I watched it, and yes, the Catholic League did send in the Big Guns-(Lawyers)


  71. Footballdad99 says:

    Foleman,I have a hard time believing Philly Cath league sent some shark lawyers to Harrisburg for a PIAA meeting. They can barely afford to heat their schools. The issue is the PIAA charter. The PCL probably read it aloud and case closed. Clearly states Championships for all. The charter has to be changed, and that will allow for the different championships. Until then nothing will change and not worth talking about.

  72. Damon says:

    Colonial fan. they can have all the meetings they want with the senators. Nothing is going to change.

  73. Damon says:

    I’m hearing Marian is loaded up again in Single A. Any truth to this?

  74. Foleman says:

    Cantafio is in way over his head. Mike Williams, the former HC of Manheim Central had a hearing in front of Several state reps and had his head handed to him by the Philadelphia Catholic league Lawyers. It was embarrassing. In fact, many of the State Reps wondered why there was even a hearing in the 1st place. Seperate playoffs between Public and Private will never happen.

  75. ColonialFan says:

    Also regarding boundary vs non-boundary, if you follow Coach Cantafio of Coatesville on Twitter, he is pushing hard for separate classes. He has a meeting with Pennsylvania state senators upcoming regarding the issue.

  76. ColonialFan says:

    Article on some WPIAL superintendents calling for change on boundary vs non-boundary issue.


  77. sausmann9 says:

    let me rephrase that and ask does anyone know of any other kids that have opted out of the East v West allstar game on May 6??? I don’t need a reason, just which kids might be out or might have been invited to join. tx.

    I heard;

    Rakowsky from Palisades is not in due to Lehigh Univ request.

    The kid from Prep going to Bucknell was also asked not to participate by Bucknell.


  78. D12FAN says:

    Draft of PCL schedule link from Ted…Also hear Wood may play Imhotep 8/31..In addition to the 2 Maryland teams and 2 North Jersey teams…WOW!


  79. sausmann9 says:

    Does anyone have an updated roster for the East v West game on May 6th??? tx. I have already heard of two players recently opting out due to college requests.

  80. D12FAN says:


    Why can’t a rising sophmore transfer after Freshman year?

    Schmidt had accepted DC posistion at NP, but fell apart….Back at TEP

  81. Kevin X says:

    Wasn’t there a rumor or talk (or maybe just something I read here??) about the Ches Mont and PAC getting together for a football only league?? Or maybe that was just something circulating in my feeble mind. Anyways, kind of like the idea of an 8 team 6A western D1 division consisting of C’ville, DTE, DTW, P-V, S-F, rounded out with Avon Grove, OJR and B-town. Better yet, swap out AG and plug in Garnet from the Central.

  82. Kevin X says:

    @ GeorgeP

    “If that’s true how does PCL let this happen?”

    Please tell me that’s sarcasm.

  83. Tom Foley says:

    Kevin X, I doubt anyone wants to play Imhotep, they might be the most talented team in PA this year and just got better with a Div 1 QB just transferring in which is a joke. They are PA’S version of IMG academy. BC has Malvern Prep, McDonough, Exeter and Haverford on the schedule. The merger of the Lancaster/Lebanon and Berks County will be a win-win for football in Central Pa.

  84. Tom Foley says:

    Phillyboy, the recruiting free for all in Philadelphia started with the Del Val Charter Boys basketball team starring the Morris Twins. The Philly Public league boys basketball teams got their head handed to them in the PIAA playoffs their 1st year in..when it was an even playing field. Del Val lost due to the team having no guards. Presto, 3 guards get recruited to join Del Val and the Morris twins and District 12 and the PIAA looked the other way while Del Val wins Multiple State Championship. Other schools in Philly took notice and followed suit. NC and Dougherty closing helped the Charter and Pubs more than the Catholic schools, Judge should be a powerhouse sports school, NC and Dougherty athletes headed elsewhere due to recruiting.

  85. steve says:

    Is there any words on who will new Coach will be at Archbishop Wood? Rumors?

  86. frankie mc dermott says:


  87. GeorgeP says:

    Rumor around the D12 PCL, Freshman WR Marvin Harrison from La Salle transferring to Prep this summer? If that’s true how does PCL let this happen?

  88. Kevin X says:

    I really need to better proof read my post……..

    My previous post should have read…….”would be ineligible to play in post season games”…….sorry.

  89. Kevin X says:

    Some more transfer stuff for you guys to chew on. A new proposal being floated is regarding a transfer at the end of their junior year would not be ineligible to play in post season games during their senior year. Interesting…….


  90. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Zack Felter

    After the news broke with the reclassification of teams and Shanahan going to 4A I had a brief discussion with Ches-Mont AD and he mentioned that they had discussions with the Del-Val League about a possible merger. Not sure how serious it got, but for football purposes it does no good as only Chester is 6A and the other member schools are either 4A or 5A.

    As for Coatesville this year they should be explosive as ever of offense. They are returning their top 3 weapons in Ortega, Bryant and Aa Young. Young has recently picked up offers from Stanford, Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas as well as about 20+ others.

    I haven’t heard much about what the freshman and JV teams looked like this past year, but I know a large chunk of them where probably on the Bert Bell unlimited team that won the championship a couple years ago, so the talent should be there.

  91. FridayNightLights says:


    Thanks for the info. I did not believe it when I read it.

  92. D12FAN says:


    That is a great post and very insightful. I agree with all you said. I will add that I think the public schools didn’t recognize quick enough the situation you described and did not adabt.

  93. SkinsFan says:


    Coach Schmidt will not be with North Penn this season as instead, he will be assisting at Imhotep.

  94. Jim B says:

    The more I think about it, West Snyder and Middleburg merged in the late 1990’s. West Snyder was located in Beaver Springs,Snyder County. Neither school had a football team.

  95. Jim B says:

    Midd-West High School formed when they combined West Snyder High School and Middleburg High School in Snyder County. I think they combined the two schools in the 1980’s.

  96. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    No I haven’t. That’s the old Neshaminy/Imhotep coach. I assume he’s a defensive guru. I certainly hope he is, we could use that.

  97. FridayNightLights says:


    I saw a post in another board that said Mark Schmidt is North Penn’s defensive coordinator now. Heard anything?

  98. Mike A. says:

    “finding a plug in the middle of their D”
    Well that gives me a bit of hope as a CV fan. Perhaps they can grind it out with the running game and keep it close.

  99. Zack Felter says:

    @Kevin Coatesville has Middletown South High School out of NJ in Week 2 for a home game. They have had problems with other PA 6A teams to come play them at home.

    I’m assuming the Harrisburg is a home/home with them coming to Coatesville next year. Gratz had been wanting to get out of our deal since they made it a couple of years ago.

  100. phillyboy says:

    @ D12FAN

    When the PCL first joined the PIAA St. Joe’s Prep lost to North Penn twice in the regular season. In that first year LaSalle even lost to the Public League champ in the District 12 championship (I realize that was a bit of a fluke but still). And then Wood got destroyed by Thomas Jefferson in the state final. Imagine that. Why is that? In a few years things have changed drastically. TJ is pretty much the same solid program. I have a theory: generally speaking the top public programs back in the day would have had their way against the top privates. But membership in the PIAA has been a catalyst for PCL recruiting because of the excitement and glamour of being able to compete for state championships and crisscross the country playing big games. So the top PCL teams today are better than they used to be. Those first few years when the PCL struggled a bit, represented the time it took to benefit from the heightened recruiting.

    Then sure, the elimination of North Catholic and Cardinal Dougherty among others tended to help consolidate talent at less schools. Lastly, you got school districts like Downingtown and Central Bucks who hurt themselves by adding extra teams. Anyway just some thoughts.

  101. Kevin X says:

    Looks like a good chunck of the 2018 schedules have been posted, sans D12. Any idea when they might make an appearance??

    Are we done with “week 0?” D3 appears now to be starting the weekend before Labor Day weekend, joining the rest of (at least the east) in making that their first regualar season games.

    For you C’Ville folk (Pastor Zack??) any idea if C’ville has a game scheduled (or will have) the second week, between H-Burg and CV?? I’ll continue beating the drum for them to hook up with Imhotep, or even Wood, in an early season non league battle. That tho would be quite an opening first 3 game stretch for the Red Raiders.

    Speaking of ‘Tep and H-Burg, no home and home match-up this year?? No Berks Catholic/’Tep game this year that was rumored to take place when the game late last year never materialized??

  102. Daryl says:

    You paint everyone in philly and the pcl with the same brush but it’s not the case.take wood,sjp and lasalle out of the pcl and what teams left dominate? Most are made up of local kids.and other than imhotep what school is dominating the city? What you don’t think north penn or neshaminy recruits? Cb West Dominated For Years And Recruited Like crazy.

  103. FridayNightLights says:


    Could very well be the case with less pressure and expectations. You never know with high school kids. A lot of their success will be determined by how they can figure out the QB situation. Sounds like that opening game could be a pretty good battle.

  104. Kmac says:


    Thank you for the additional information on Midd-West. You also gave us the deal with East Juniata and Juniata as well. We did not add another team as now EJ won’t play FB, its a wash. Thanks again.

  105. D12FAN says:


    As a D12 fan I agree with you. But you forget it was the PIAA that came calling for the PCL in 2008. Before that every year we heard how the top public school would beat the top PCL teams. I guess that didn’t work out as planned. You also fail to point out 2 other fatctors with the public schools. 1. Is that most of the top successful public schools get transfers as well due to their success, like the successful private schooLs.. 2. Once the PCL is gone from the PIAA, guys like you will go back to complaining that norht penn and pennsbury have too many kids and will start asking for 10 classifications to make it more fair…

    BTW plans are in place for the strong PCL schools to play national schedules and the state championship an after thought. With more archdiocesan consolidation that is coming the successful teams will just get stronger. We will see if they can pull it off..

  106. Buddy says:


    You will be stoned…………….but you’re essentially correct.

    Yea, I know D12FAN………… nice work, carry on………

  107. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    North Penn will be competitive as always, and I agree that less prssure may help them. That said, I think Coatesville will be the team to beat in District 1. They return a boatload of talent, but I believe that Sanders graduates this year and is headed to Bucknell.

  108. sausmann9 says:

    @ PCL whiners – NO I was not telling anyone from the beloved PCL to drop their beloved, recruited up football programs especially to all those that tossed the “ignorance” tag around as if you actually know what it means.

    What I was recommending is that the PCL and Philly schools leave the PIAA for athletic reasons. They can keep their beloved programs and all the kids they bring in from ANY surrounding states, not just PA. If a STUDENT of any of those PCL or Philly schools wants to participate in PIAA sports such as football, they may join the public school district’s team they reside within and pay taxes to.

    You all throw the idea around that my suggestion is the “wussification” of sports – actually you are 100% wrong and if anything its the EXACT OPPOSITE. By letting the PCL and Philly schools build and recruit a team together every year, they are not really competing but cheating their way through the season. Anytime any other school CANNOT do what the PCL and Philly schools can, that’s the unfair and dangerous advantage PCL and Philly teams have. Take Ihop for example – went out and got them a quarterback. SJP needs a few skill playyers and they got one already (public school transfer from NJ).

    If anything the “wussification” of high school sports is brought on by schools like those in the PCL and city of Philly by only being able to compete by ASSEMBLING a team of already coached up and developed players. Teach them to battle through the tough season instead of teaching them to go out and get the running back and lineman and quarterbacks they need from other teams and then act as if it was a great accomplishment to actually beat the teams who you took best players from, lol.

  109. Live4Fridays says:

    To be accurate, Midd-West was in a CO-OP with EAST Juniata in the Tri-Valley League. EJ was AAAA because of the CO-OP. Most of the players on the EJ team were actually from the M-W school district so they should not have trouble generating interest for their own team. The other half of the story is that EJ will now not have a FB team and their players will play for Juniata which has always fielded a pretty decent team.

  110. SkinsFan says:

    Neshaminy returnees starts with its QB from last year, Brody McAndrew (6′ 3″, 190 lb – last year). He was 136 of 232 in 2017 with 17 TDs against 4 INTs — he will be a junior this year (he’s very, very good and with another inch and a few more pounds expected he’ll have good size).

    The receivers coming back include Zack Canimore, Cory Joyce and Oleh Manzyk who had 12 catches for 128 yards, 48 for 610 and 28 for 438 respectively last season (88 catches in total for just shy of 1,200 yards). They’re all good (and all seniors).

    Running backs include the Hebron brothers (back as seniors — Vaughn’s kids) along with Henry Hill, who was a sophomore last year and looks to have potential (there are some other names too who were sophs and a freshmen in 2017).

    The O line will see some new faces.

    D wise they have Luke Hitchens along the line (6′ 2″, 210) with Bobby Buchys (6’4″, 210 – again, last year). Manzyk is all over the place on D but will probably be an LB or DE with Chris Majors (5′ 11″, 205 last year, Corey Majors younger brother, junior this year) another LB.

    They have at least two of their DBs back (Joyce and Marcus Griffin who is another senior).

    As it is, and skill-wise, they have what seems as everyone back except Joel Stills (RB and DB) and Zach Canimore (receiver and DB). Then as said, they’ll be some new faces on the line.

    McAndrews is very good and took them to an 11-1 season as a sophomore so watch for a lot from him and his arm (he’s got the receivers too).

    Stills was making noise as the RB by season’s end in 2017 so we want to see the group as mentioned above fill that in (they seem to produce RBs every year).

    Manzyk is an impact player (he was all state as a sophomore and junior at two different positions) so expect plenty from him.

    The defense should be solid.

  111. Tom Foley says:

    Multiple transfers should be next on the agenda. HS athletics should not be about “Hired Guns” DePaul should not be allowed to play for TEP. The PIAA is a joke!

  112. PastorZack says:

    @philyboy Coatesville does return some skill position players, but lost 3 of their 4 starting WR’s. Lost two OL’s and TE. On D, is where the losses sting a bit, they lost both DT’s, a SDE and WLB, and half of their secondary.

    They should be fine on O, but finding a plug in the middle of their D and replacing Avery Young at one corner spot will be their defenses main challenge.

  113. Kevin X says:

    While this site was down for a few weeks last month, some of you might of missed that the PIAA inched along in their attempt to deal with the transfer issue. This only applies to in-season transfers, and IMO it is still way too little, and too late, especially after this N-G girls hoops issue. If anyone in familiar with it, you already know how much of a complete disgrace it was/is.


  114. Derrick says:

    Neshaminy returns their QB McAndrews. I believe he will be a senior. He returns with fellow seniors Joyce and Manzik who will get D1 offers if he hasn’t already. Not sure about their running game, but the defense seems to be pretty good every year. If NP lost their QB from last season, I will give the way to early to tell nod to Neshaminy.

  115. Mike A. says:

    “But from what I gather Coatesville may be really good this year”
    Cumberland Valley lost a lot from last year so Coatesville should be able to finally win one against them this year. CV reloads pretty quickly though so don’t count them out just yet but the talent will be younger and inexperienced. I’ll know more as the season approaches but I’d expect Coatesville to win this one fairly handily this year.

  116. Kmac says:

    Billy Splain

    Thank you for the information regarding Midd West

  117. phillyboy says:

    Thanks for that FridayNightLights. Who knows, ironically maybe they’ll have a better season this year now that there’s seemingly less pressure. But from what I gather Coatesville may be really good this year. If I’m not mistaken they have most of their best skill players back. Any Red Raiders fans out there that can shed some insight into this? Would be awesome if they could talk that Sanders kid into returning to the home team for such a promising year, you feel me?

  118. Billy Splain says:

    Foleman: the wpial is not considering leaving the PIAA. no district can leave the PIAA, the member schools can leave the PIAA but very doubtful any would consider that.

  119. Foleman says:

    Time for the PIAA to step in and stop the “Philly Sports School” DePaul goes from Norristown to North Penn to Imhotep…I’m sure he transferred to TEP for academics. No wonder the Western shools, i.e the WPIAL, are considering leaving the PIAA. This is now what, the 4th straight year TEP will be in the AAAA finals and will probably mercy rule the competition. This school should not be allowed to compete in the PIAA.

  120. Billy Splain says:

    Chris & Ken, Midd West was in a co op with Juniata for several years.

  121. FridayNightLights says:


    North Penn definitely underachieved last year. Never seemed to come together. They had a fair amount of players go to D1 schools from last year’s team. Henley went to Delaware, Thomas to Villanova, and Jamal to Delaware State. DePaul holds at least one D1 offer, as does Cartwright. Jon Haynes has also received D1 interest and it seems a matter of time until he receives his first offer. That’s a lot of talent on one high school team. Goes to show that a collection of talent doesn’t mean a team. Hopefully they uncover some diamonds this year. They usually find a way to develop.

  122. D12FAN says:


    Already enrolled at TEP..


  123. phillyboy says:

    Will have to manage my expectations for North Penn this year. Going into last year there was all kinds of hype, it almost took on a life of its own. Somebody with the handle ‘District 1’ was talking some serious smack. Heck, even the WNPV guys bought into it. Must confess I started to get a little excited. Drove all the way up to Lansdale from North Philly on that humid late August evening. MAN, felt like I finally reached Wall Drug only to realize there was no ‘there’ there. It reminded me a little of the Eagles infamous ‘dream team’ from a few years back. Like a great coach once expressed: ‘If you start believing your press clippings you’re in trouble. Your butts got to make it happen’.

  124. FridayNightLights says:

    @ Buddy:

    DePaul’s twitter says Imhotep ’19 now. Looks like he’s gone. He had some talent. Not sure what they have in the pipeline talent-wise. Feiser’s younger brother is there and Feiser is the QB coach I believe. Any ideas?

  125. Mike Smoll says:


    PW because PW coach Chung is a former North Penn Knight, I think it was like 5-7 years ago they scrimmaged Don Bosco, as I went down to that scrimmage, Don Bosco handled them fairly easily.

  126. Ken McGarity says:

    David Mika

    Dave, as basically a fan interested in the history of PA high school football, new schools, or those not playing football anymore, or consolidations always interest me. Can you (or anyone) tell me about D4 Midd West?

  127. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    DePaul to Imhotep? Find that hard to believe. Need to get verification on that.

    @ Smoll:

    NP scrimmages PW. Or at least they scrimmage at PW’s field.

    You can find NP schedule at northpennfootball

  128. Brian says:

    What Heartland division is Southern Columbia in this year?They’re schedule shows a lot of Division 1 games and Division 3 games. Very little division 2. I find it bad for football if they are in the small school division and I’m sure they don’t want to be in that one either.

  129. FridayNightLights says:


    Not sure what to expect from NP this year. Pretty much everyone now gone from that strong team that lost to St. Joe’s 2 years ago and a lot from last year’s team that I thought underachieved a little bit. I’m also not sure about who’s moved in or out, with the transfers we see nowadays. I saw on another message board that DePaul, NP’s starting QB from last year, has left the school to go to Imhotep. I believe NP will have a solid running back in Gorski and a couple of experienced receivers in Jon Haynes and Shamar Edwards, assuming they are all still there. They have a few other good players as well but it will definitely need to be a quick re-stock. I would say the edge goes to Neshaminy right now. Does anybody know how Neshaminy looks?

  130. Kevin X says:

    Thx Buddy!!!

    I did a little digging and found NP’s full 2018 schedule and saw that they have Pennsbury game 3 to wrap up their non league schedule. From there it is the usual suspects of their SOL division.

    I’m not a big NP fan, but I do appreciate and respect them for scheduling more established competition the first few weeks of the season. I remember 4 or 5 years ago they had a three headed monster of a schedule with Lasalle, Wood and SJP to start the season, which just lets say was ugly. But they picked themselves up, dusted themselves off, and proceeded to run the table I believe and made a nice deep run in the post season that year.

  131. David Mika says:

    Yes, Chris.

  132. Chris says:

    Is this Midd West in D4 a new team?

  133. Mike Smoll says:

    Typical North Penn scheduling to me, take on someone really tough week 0 and 1, possibly take a loss or two, toughen up the troops, and turn North Penn into the tough North Penn and watch out near the end of the season. Generally they schedule a really tough scrimmage too, a few years ago if my memory was right it was Don Bosco Prep at North Penn.

  134. Zack Felter says:

    anyone heard any news on ChesMont adding teams or combining since Octorara has moved to D3 and Bishop Shanahan is now a 4A school?

  135. Buddy says:

    @ kevin:

    NP first game ( not counting the 1 scrimmage they have) is at Neshaminy.

    Second game is LS at NP. Rather play LS the last game, but 2nd game is better then first.

  136. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy and Derrick et al……

    No traditional LaSalle match-up for the first game of the year for North Penn this year?? Or is the Nesh game the second week of play (week 0, week 1, gets confusing).

  137. Buddy says:

    @ derrick:

    Two traditional powerhouses. NP loses a lot from a so-so year ( by NP standards). NP is rebuilding, although I hope they are just ” reloading”.

    NP typically starts out slow, so this could be Neshaminy’s game to win. I’ll know more when I see what kind of roster both teams have.

  138. Tom Foley says:

    mgguy, Wyo will end up in LL league Div 3-(3A schools) while Berks Catholic moves up to Division 2-(mostly 5A schools). I’ve heard the Backyard Brawl will now be the 1st game of the year for both teams. The move will make the LL much stronger and competitive. You had to feel for WYO and BC, they both had great difficulty getting out of conference games scheduled. Although I am really excited about the BC/Malvern Prep game next season.

  139. FridayNightLights says:

    Someone posted on another board that Mark Schmidt is NP’s D coordinator now. Can anyone confirm if there is any truth to this?

  140. Derrick says:

    Neshaminy hosts North Penn week 1. Thoughts?

  141. mgguy says:

    an interesting development for D3, Berks League and LL League looking to combine. That creates some interesting sections, Wilson Mifflin Reading, Hempfield Manheim Township; Manheim Central and Berks Catholic in same section? Where does Wyomissing end up? Sounds like a lot to work out yet and most likely 2 years out, but will solve a lot of scheduling issues for a lot of schools.

  142. Tom Foley says:

    Kutztown Football Coach Charly Maddocks resigned. Team had only 13 healthy players at the end of the year and forfeited a game. You have to wonder if Kutztown will have a program in the future.

  143. David Mika says:

    Forum is back up and we are done moving to a new server.

  144. Buddy says:


  145. David Mika says:

    We are moving the site to a new server. The forum will be shut down until we are done. I am going to shut it down at noon, Monday. Thank you!

  146. Mike Smoll says:

    @WPIAL Rules, yeah too bad they didn’t play last year, that QB might have been able to keep the game close, not sure I would want to be in that game, possibly on TV, not a good way for the kids to start a season.

  147. McD65 says:

    Coach Devlin leaving Wood for DC position at Ursinus. He did a great job with that program. Who takes over ?

  148. D12FAN says:


    So in case you don’t realize Wood competes against Prep and LaSalle and other open enrollment schools, plus a national schedule against other open enrollmnebt schools from other states including Oh, NJ, FL. NP welocmes many transfers and then competes other public schools in PA SOL…Just so you know….Nice try, DB

  149. WPIAL Rules says:

    @ Mike Smoll it is already set to happen week 0 at Pine Richland!

  150. Jack says:

    I’m so confused about what exactly these private schools are selling to kids? So say a kid from Lansdale goes to St. Joes Prep. He’s driving all the way downtown to go to school, to play for a football program that has to practice off campus, and play their games even further way. When he could stay home and play for North Penn a pretty respectable program. I’m just confused… Better example for Sausmann a kid from Parkland goes to play football at ACC, what in the world has ACC sold him that Parkland doesn’t have or do better. Sausmann I don’t disagree with your sentiment but your blatant ignorance and the way you conduct yourself is a mirror image of where our society is today. Run from competition, everyone gets a trophy, it’s the coaches fault etc. Nobody can possibly be ignorant to believe all of these are recruited, it is such a baseless argument. Other than Wood, does SJP and Lasalle take many transfers? Doesn’t sound like it to me. Do they get them in 8th grade and develop them yes. Why hasn’t North Penn invested in their program to make it more attractive? This is just so silly.

  151. McD65 says:

    Buddy, stop already.That PCL enrollment statement is pure BS. I get that several of the posters here do not like and even despise the PCL, but you don’t have to sling that exaggerated garbage .

  152. Mike Smoll says:

    @WPIAL Rules, you actually want to do that? IMG is a national Prep All-Star team, that runs their football program all year. The saving grace may be to play them in game 1, while they are still getting their feet wet, that way they only beat you by 30 instead of more.

  153. CYOBALL1 says:

    Sausman, you’re a clown and the epitome of the wussification of america in todays day and age.

  154. Buddy says:

    @ D12:

    So you’re comparing transfers at Pine-Richland and North Penn to the likes of Prep, LaSalle, Wood etc.?

    Those entire ( PCL) school enrollments is made up of “transfers” ( i.e. recruits)…….nice work, carry on………….

  155. D12FAN says:


    From what I hear Ohio public school transfers make the PCL, Pine-richland, and North penn transfers look like nothing. Basically open enrollment for public schools. So if the goal is to level the playing field, disrciminating against Catholic does nothing.

    In PA, you can implement, then go back to complaining about the public schools that take transfers and which public school is too big etc. Then in few years start spouting off how the public schools would beat the private schools if they met….Nice work, carry on….

  156. J Stephens says:

    Wait saussman 9 did you just recommend private and parochial teams to disband their football program? So Roman Catholic whose been playing football since 1893 and St Joe Prep since 1888 END their football history at the drop of a hat? HAHAHAHAHA!!!

  157. Buddy says:

    Not everyone know who “IMG” is.

  158. WPIAL Rules says:

    News breaking out to the western part of the state… Pine Richland to host IMG week 0.
    Sound off!

  159. steven michael oneil says:

    sausmann9 .

    i just looked at this description, and i completely agree. This is the format that the PIAA should look at, but we all know they won’t.


  160. Chris says:

    @Matt and Route 54
    District 11 predictions
    A Marian over WV both are weaker so its a close call.
    AA Haven over Palmerton
    AAA Palisades over Jim Thorpe Both return strong teams. Dont sleep on JT this year.
    AAAA Bechai
    5A No idea
    6AParkland again

  161. Chris says:

    JT in Dist 11 3A should challenge this year. They return 17 of 22 starters.

  162. ColonialFan says:

    @Matt-Yes, SL’s consistency over the last 10 years has been probably one of the more under-reported/under appreciated things in the Lehigh Valley and they’ve probably been one of the more underrated teams in the area. However, coming from the Colonial League that’s to be expected. The numbers discussion in an interesting one. Using East Stroudsburg South as an example from last year’s playoff, they had a roster of 62 with no freshmen. SL had 52 with 20 freshman on the roster. That’s a pretty significant difference and when it comes to playing a team as talented as Whitehall that usually ends up being the difference in the game as they don’t have near as many kids, especially linemen playing both ways.

    @sausmann9-agree with your Kyle Haas sentiments. I had my son at the Berwick QB Camp last year and Haas was in charge of his group. Very impressed by his way of inspiring and motivating kids in just that small window of time. He will have no issue getting kids to play for him.

  163. sausmann9 says:

    COMPETITIVE BALANCE – I love the idea!!!

    Its the next best thing to getting rid of parochial/private school sports teams and making those parochial/private school kids return to their district school after they get their religious education (you know, the real reason they went to those schools) to participate in football, wrestling, basketball, etc…


  164. Matt says:

    @colonial fan…. as a CL fan too, I also would like to see SL beat Whitehall for dist gold but Whitehall will be favorite again. SL has been CLs most consistent winner in league last 10 or so years….teams like PA, NL, Catty, NW etc have a couple really good years but with smaller numbers can’t compete year in and year out. SL has numbers so hopefully that can get Whitehall one of these years.

  165. Matt says:

    Route 54….agree but in AA Haven has to beat Southern Columbia to get further and we all know Southern will be state favorite in AA for next two years. In A Williams valley had very good teams last two years but couldn’t make it past state semis. In AAA dist 11 I think that’s the most wide open class. Notre Dame, Palisades and Lehighton all could win it.

  166. sausmann9 says:

    @ StackMonster – this is all Northampton needed; a qualified experienced motivator. Northampton has athletes; both size and speed walking those hallways and they used to have (and still could) excellent feeder programs.

    Wait til Haas gets his staff in place at the freshman level, middle school level, etc… give him three seasons or so and I’d bet he’s in the mix for an EPC title. Northampton area STILL GROWING on three of four sides and fast.

  167. Kevin X says:

    Thanks guys. Not a big all star game fan on any level of sports, but may be intrigued by a PA/NJ Big 33 showdown, in late April/early May (current game in mid June have beach and baseball on brain, not football), at Villanova stadium…………Yeah, that might work…..

  168. Route54 says:

    Matt,interesting picks. It would be nice to see a D11 team finish stronger in A,AA.

  169. ColonialFan says:

    Hearing some rumors of a sub-regional being proposed for District 11 and District 2 at the 5A level. Did some snooping on the PIAA website and they already have the proposed brackets posted for next season, showing those districts combined. Definitely make things more interesting as District 11 will jump from 4 teams the past two years, to what was 5 after the new relcassification and now 7 teams, with Wyoming Valley West and Wallenpaupack.

    @Matt…mostly agree with your District 11 picks. I think Palisades might still have the horses to give ND a run, although that may be wishful thinking on my part. Beca has young talent, but will have an uknown at QB to start the season, but probably a good pick there. 5A will definitely become more interesting with the possibility of added teams. Don’t forget WVW beat them last year and they were not near as talented as Whitehall and I think Whitehall will be a little down this year. I’m not saying bad, but they lost some good talent. One of these years Southern Lehigh will break through for a District gold. The last two championship games have been more competitive than the final score has indicated.

    Definitely looking forward to the start of spring practices, high school TEAM 7 on 7s, and start of a new season!

  170. 6-2 Stack Monster says:


    Agreed Parkland likely still the king at 6A for some time, but new coach Kyle Haas should breathe some life into struggling Northampton. I don’t know if they have the horses, but I think there is a young, athletic QB there that Haas could work with. Should be interesting to watch them over the next few years to see if they can build a contender.

  171. Matt says:

    Route 54…..

    Dist 11 I’ll go Marian in A, Haven in AA, Notre Dame in 3A (Palisades will contend but lose some seniors), Beca in 4A, Whitehall in 5A and Parkland in 6A….pretty clear except for maybe 3A and A in dist 11. I’d like to see a new winner in 6A but Parkland wins it every year.

  172. Route54 says:

    Way to early predictions. Anyone want to predict the District winners, east coast.

  173. sausmann9 says:

    @ KevX – no our Big 33 has only ever been against Texas (65 – 67), Maryland, and Ohio. In the late 80’s and early 90’s PA played Maryland and back to Ohio for many years. PA used to have an instate “Big33” back in the day as well called the Blue/Grey game I think. The only all-star games involving NJ are local ones (county level) b/n the states and that hasn’t happened in YEARS. Now PA brings in Pburg kids to play in our Lehigh Valley allstar game in June at Nazareth HS.

    @ Dave -I agree NJ would be a lot of fun to play in the Big 33 plus I think PA fans are more familiar w/ Jersey players and teams. JMO

    @ NO – that move was personally motivated. The Quips just lost the best thing that happened to them in 21 years.

  174. David Mika says:

    Kevin…I don’t think so…I rather see them play New Jersey than Maryland.

  175. Kevin X says:

    Has Pennsylvania every played NJ in the Big 33 game?? Wouldn’t mind seeing that match-up.

  176. Neutral Observer says:

    I’m happy to see the All-Academic teams. Amazing how the kids can play such a high level of football while keeping the grades up.

    How about Aliquippa firing head coach Mike Zmijanac? In 21 season, his record was 237-36.


  177. David Mika says:

    Starting in March we are going to enter them.

  178. Chris says:

    Any word on 2018 schedules?

  179. phillyboy says:

    @ sausmann9

    Ironically one of the Prep players, to the best of my knowledge, got into trouble with the law from the ’03 team. A few years back was surprised to see in the news that their dynamic starting tailback from NJ was mentioned in the story.

  180. sausmann9 says:

    @ Buddy – PA has not only played Ohio in the
    Big 33 but they also played TX in the past (way past). Ohio started selected their top studs for their own in-state all star game (North v South and its a great game) and then sent the remainder of the all stars to PA for our game. That started around 2005/2006 sometime.

    Maryland was another logical choice and shouldn’t really be underestimated. MD has some really nice talent for a small state as well as some very solid, nationally recognized football teams.

    @ anonymous – you called out an entire football team from 2003 as an embarassment and criminals that lost scholarships. I am pretty familiar with that team; seen them in person quite a few times in 02 and 03 and still watch four of their games from those seasons from time to time. Of the starters I remember, these are the ones that I think went on to play college football on scholarships;
    Kevin Akins
    Eric Halberstat
    George “Mauler” Farell
    Adam Hearns
    Jeff Ball
    Deanco Oliver
    Chris Finney
    Chris Tribiani
    can’t remember where Laky or Raffle went but those are the ones I do.

    can you tell me which players YOU were referring to???

  181. phillyboy says:

    Yo Buddy, I attended one Big 33 game in my life, back around 12 years ago for the experience of it. It was the year Ted Ginn Jr. played for Ohio (and had a nice TD catch). I tell you what, won’t do it again though. There was major gridlock in the roads around the stadium. Then they charged to park, I wasn’t feeling warm and fuzzy about that. I’ll give Hershey Park props for free parking at the PIAA state finals, but they don’t extend that same courtesy for the Big 33.

  182. JC says:

    To clarify Jimmy’s comment, I believe you are referring to John Smith of Pen Argyl?

  183. Buddy says:

    The Big 33. We used to play Ohio, now Maryland.

    Why the switch? Maryland is usually a mis-match.

    Is it because Ohio used to beat us most of the time, and Maryland is easier?

    If that’s the case, shame.

  184. phillyboy says:

    Yo Mike A., That ‘project a matchup’ feature at calpreps.com is super cool — good looking out.

  185. Kevin X says:

    I need a geography refresher, The Perk School (and Pennsburg) is in Upper Montgomery County.


  186. Jimmy Silver says:

    Pa football fan. Smith started his first meeting with players and parents with taking credit for pocono mountain east at diffrent times during this meeting. Rob Meloski must be so glad that he does not have to deal with that guy. Plan and simple, old school con man. Who ever voted for this man to be the next coach should be ashamed.

  187. Kevin X says:

    I saw an article that the Perkiomen School (independent private prep school in Upper Bucks County (Pennsburg)) is transitioning to 8 man football for this upcoming season. The first 8 man team in Pennsylvania. So how long before other schools follow suit??

  188. Mike A. says:

    Your source for high school football scores, standings & rankings


    neutral field
    [2003] North Penn (Lansdale, PA) 34, [2003] St. Joseph’s Prep (Philadelphia, PA) 22

  189. Anonymous says:

    The problem with the North Penn ’03 team was most of the star players wound up in jail at the end of the season. All lost scholarships.

    Great team, but a total embarrassment!

  190. phillyboy says:

    They got a carryout special going on at Dominos right now; large 2 topping for $5.99 a pop. Decided to break out the old North Penn – PCC DVD to enhance the experience. Man o man, are you KIDDING me?! It had been a while since I’ve seen that game. That ’03 North Penn team was a beast, the last hurrah of the late great Suburban One. I give a hearty honorable mention to the ’16, ’08, and ’10 teams but ’03 was on another level. It was a true power team with elite talent at several skill positions. Hearns was a great running QB who could heave the ball quite nicely as needed thank you very much. Then you had Kevin Akins and Casertano in the backfield, are you KIDDING me?! Got that Casertano screen pass play etched into my memory, dude was like Daryl Johnston. Then you had role players like Laky and Halberstadt who could take it to the house. Then you had the formidable defense with Carey at the helm.

    From time to time heads of state will extend a formal apology for past misdeeds and news anchors will sometimes apologize for a recent faux pas. Well I’m here to tell you that phillyboy needs to set something straight. A while back I opined that ‘the ’03 SJP team might have won if they had played NP that year.’ Even when I wrote that it didn’t feel right, have had some misgivings about it ever since. So I hereby retract that statement. Although that Prep team was very good, I say there’s a better chance than not that NP would have taken them.

  191. Jimmy Boy says:

    I think Phillyboy got it right.

  192. Toby Kimball says:

    Two LL League Alumni now NFL Head Coaches….. Congrats to Matt Nagy and Frank Reich!!!

  193. JC says:

    Honestly, the real issue to me is the number of teams that makes the playoffs. 4 classes, 6 classes, I’m kind of indifferent on that front. Just make the playoff format worthwhile and meaningful. If doing that requires contracting the number of classes, then do that.

  194. phillyboy says:

    In case anybody was wondering what phillyboy’s take is on PA expanding to 6 classes: I don’t like it, I’m not feeling it one iota. I was against it from the get-go and still am. Don’t fix it if it’s not broken. 4 classes was very fine. No way in the world it should be any more than that. Heck, if anything you could make a case for 3 classes; small, medium and large schools — but 4 was okay. Here’s the deal, in the east they can get away with the extra classes, albeit watered down, due to the sheer abundance of larger schools. But out west the weakness of it is really exposed. Come on man, let’s be real, the highest classification in the WPIAL is a shell of itself. Before, there was depth, a larger pool of quality programs. Now it’s basically PCC, NA and PR. McKeesport, Gateway, Upper Saint Clair etc. should still be in the same classification. They should go back to 4 classes. It’s okay, they experimented, made a mistake, humbly recognize it and duly make the correction, no harm no foul. And while I’m at it, 2 other things to undo: no way the first game of the season should be in August, and WAY too many teams qualify for the playoffs. Don’t get me wrong, I love the playoffs and all, don’t mean to be a party pooper, but the quality starts to plummet when it’s too much. Just look at the NBA or NHL playoffs, talk about overkill, yikes, that’s some boring stuff until maybe the final. They need to lessen the amount of playoff spots and if a team doesn’t qualify then so be it, win your games or beat it. Play your Thanksgiving game and see you next year.

  195. Toby Kimball says:

    There are approximately 95 schools in each football classification for an approximate total of 570 football schools in PA. Again this is football only. This comes directly from the PIAA classification website for the 2018 – 2019 seasons.

    FYI…. Wikipedia isn’t always correct 🙂

    Link below


  196. Buddy says:

    Buddy said:

    2000 high schools in Cali., 1800 in Tx.

    All other states under 1000.

    This was all in argument for 5 classes in Pa, instead of 6 ( like Cali & Tx).

    I still believe we have 1 class too many.

  197. sausmann9 says:

    @Billy – did you try reaching out to Eddie Walker or Bob the video guy at Berwick??? I got some games from both of them in the past and they were older Berwick games. Might be worth a try, both of really cool guys.

  198. jj D2 says:

    @ kevin X
    Here is what you are missing: Buddy said there were 1500 to 2000 HS in FL. and TX. and under 1000 in PA., Sooooo, I looked up how many HS in PA both public and private and the wiki page said there was about 1500 in PA. That’s were you came in.

  199. sausmann9 says:

    Sorry Billy I do not have that game and the only person I knew that might have an oldie like that said no as well. He had the same idea as I and that is sending a message out to someone like Bo Orlando. 07′ or 08′ was the last time I spoke w him but he’s still out at McDowell. Maybe somebody from the Coughlin side of the ball might be sitting on a vhs copy in their attic but I don’t know anyone from there, sorry again.

    I really didn’t start collecting any games until about 86′ or so but I did lose quite a few to water damage down in GA in 95′. shoot me an email and I’ll send you an updated copy of the games I still have if you want.

  200. Toby Kimball says:

    The long term quality of football has been diminishing for 20 years simply because top athletes are playing other sports and there are less athletes in the game.

    Just look at professional sports. Baseball and basketball have players from all over the world. Hockey has Europe and North America. These sports are getting the best out of several billion.

    The NFL is getting the best out of 150 million. 40% of NFL players come from three states: CA, FL & TX.

    High school football teams will continue to contract until only schools with 100 plus boys per class can survive. And the reality is 4A and below is a different game than 5A & 6A. Much smaller players.

  201. Kevin X says:

    @ jj D2 (and I suppose Buddy as well??)

    OK, so what are your guys respected points?? What am I missing??

  202. Buddy says:

    neither do all of them in Pa.

    That stat was from US news & world report of 10 years ago. NO state has over 1000 except Cali. ( 2000) & Texas ( 1800). Many are just under 1000, Pa., Ohio, Fl, IN. Ill, etc.

    This is all high schools ( Public, Catholic, private charter) Not all, but most, in Pa. belong to the PIAA.

  203. jj D2 says:

    @kevin X
    the original topic was the number of high schools in PA. I dont think all the high schools in the other states that were mentioned have football programs.

  204. Route54 says:

    @Kmac. All we can do is hope it gets better. The teams I was referring to are coal region teams. Not sure what’s going on. I think more families are moving towards the city for work. I also believe more and more parents are not letting their kids play football as someone mentioned below.

  205. D12FAN says:


    Ok I’ll deal with it thanks…Of course coaches and AD’s will be in favor it give more chances for trophies and more money. I’m sure it is here to stay and probably go to 8 some day for same reasons. Hershey used to be fun, now there are even fewer good games, 6 classifications certainly not the only reason, but doesn’t help. You can argue the degree to which it is watered down, but by definition going from 4 to 6 is less competition in each class, thus watered down. Look at WPIAL in 2018 vs 3 years ago. Carry on….

  206. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Let me stand corrected. I re-read your post regarding your transfer suggestion, and mis read it originally, thinking you meant a transfer sitting out in August at the beginning of practice in early August, not the start of the season of regular season games later in August, at least that is what I am assuming now. My bad. I may be able to get on board with that idea of a transfer sitting out once the regular season officially kicks-offs for his respected team in late August. I still may find this tough to swallow if you’re a senior, and this is your last opportunity of playing in any kind of organized football.

  207. Kmac says:

    Route 54

    You are certainly correct. An example down here in the big schools in Bucks County When the Council Rock School District split in 2002 each of the two teams Rock North and Rock South were getting 70 to 80 players per squad. Last season it was about 45 – 50 players per squad. I witnessed a Pennsbury practice of 108 players about 7 or 8 years back. Squad looked to be about 70 last season. It’s worse with the smaller schools.

  208. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Because life happens, people/families move. There is more to this transfer issue then that of timing. I feel your idea of sitting out the whole season once practice starts is a little draconian. Granted, its a no muss no fuss zero tolerance solution, and I’d sign up for that over what is taking place now. I was tossing out a middle of the road option when transferring early in the in season and/or after practice commences. Maybe move my date back from Sept. 30th to 15th, or after the third or fourth game, or sit out any post season games. Just tossing options out there. Really other than 2 or 3 recent high profile incidents, I don’t think this is huge issue. No one batted an eye when that kid from Norristown transferred to Methacton mid season.

    Also, how do you define or describe “watered down” as it pertains to 6 classes?? I’ll keep hammering the point that it is the playoffs, being a combined district and state drawn out concoction that is currently in place where we attempt to hand out trophies left and right (really, do we need a playoff for all 3 5A teams in D2 for example??). 1 state champion out of a give or take field of 96?? Hardly watered down.

    @ phil

    Thank you, agreed and well said……

  209. phil says:

    Going from 4 champs out of 570 teams (.007) to 6 champs (.0105) is hardly watering anything. You do know PA is still in the top 5 out of all 50 states with the most teams in a class vying for a championship, so 96 is more than plenty to be competing for a title. Besides 6 classes are here to stay. Deal with it! I travel around the state and from talking to ADs, players and coaches, they are overwhelmingly in favor of six classes.
    Probably the best thing to do when playoffs begin to get to the place where there are no byes is go to a 32 team field and have four regions OR as someone stated just rank them somehow and go with it. The district concept has always been a sticking point for the playoff picture going smoothly. How ’bout this – the team that gets the deepest into the playoffs is the district champ.

  210. Route54 says:

    @ Tom F. I’ve witnessed it myself. 3 teams I watched in 2016, 2017. You can see the numbers going down. When you see 11 on the field and 8 on the sideline, that’s bad.

  211. Buddy says:

    Way too early for any schedules right?

  212. PastorZack says:

    Looks like Coatesville and Harrisburg may have a two-year agreement to play each other starting in Harrisburg in 2018 and Coatesville in 2019.

  213. D12FAN says:


    Why would you be in favor of playing 4-5 games in AUG/SEPT then transfering sitting out a few weeks and playing a couple games and playoffs for another team?

    6 state champs with only 96 teams in each classification is watered down, no matter how you format the playoffs…

  214. Kevin X says:

    @ jj D2

    Per the PIAA website….there are 570 schools participating in football in PA within the PIAA. Add a handful of others playing at the independent level, you have aprx. 600 schools participating in HS football in PA.

    @ TomF

    Changing demographics, kids/parents not wanting to/or having their kids to play football, opting for soccer, basketball, and lacrosse, and in the expense of running a football program, yeah, the numbers and quality are going to go down.

    I’m assuming you were not at the 6A Eastern final between C’ville and SJP @ Downingtown?? Full house in a large stadium, raucous, energized crowd, fun crazy game, should of ended the season there on an up note, but no, we had blowouts and empty stadiums for 3 days the following weekend in Hershey.

    @ Buddy

    Still prefer the 6 classifications. Those who say its watered down, it is the playoffs system that makes it watered down. Like I posted previously, go with 32 teams (the best and most qualified teams at that as well) in each classification for the playoffs, that is about a third of all schools in each classification. Now its like 2/3rds of all schools that participate in the playoffs/post season.

    @ D12 FAN

    I wouldn’t. You misread my post or maybe I wasn’t clear. Any kid transferring from October 1st to the end of the current season would not be eligible to play that year, period. I’d institute 4 game sit out/wait period for any transfer transferring between game one and Sept. 30th.

  215. jj D2 says:


    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    This is a complete list of senior high schools in the state of Pennsylvania, United States.

    There are 952 public high schools and 549 private high schools.[1]

  216. Billy Splain says:

    hey Sausmann, wouldn’t happen to have the Berwick/Coughlin 1981 EC Title game would you?

  217. TomF says:

    Football and wrestling are taking a major hit in Pa. Teams struggling to field teams, the multi sport athlete Disappearing. Quality of football and wrestling athletes on the downtrend. Kids sick of losing and transferring to winners. I thought 5 classifications would have been fine. 6 is a watered down version with teams being in the playoffs that will get mercy ruled in the 1st or 2nd round. I long for the old days when BECA and CB West played in front of 20,000.00 fans, the titanic battles between Erie Cathedral Prep and CB West, Berwick taking on all comers. I don’t think we will ever see Pa football like that again.

  218. Buddy says:

    Has the PIAA committee even considered dropping down to 5 classes? I never understood the jump from 4 classes to 6. California & Texas has 6 classes, but they have 2000 & 1800 high schools respectively. Pa. has under 1000.

    Wouldn’t that solve this re-alignment fiasco? You gotta keep an East vs West team in the state final.

  219. steven michael oneil says:

    i agree you potentially have the best two teams meeting up in the semi-finals with the bracket change. But i actually like the idea of changing up the matchups every couple years. Get some different teams playing somebody else. District 3 never runs into District 1, so that will be a nice change up for two seasons. I think they should change up the smaller classes as well, give them so different matchups.

  220. D12FAN says:


    As much as I love PA football for a very long time the fact is, loss of population and player participation has diluted the level of play. Add (right or wrong)the private schools attracting more of the talent pool and drop to only 96 teams per classification and you have an even more watered down system. We don’t have to agree, 4 classification playoff system started in 1988, a heck of lot more kids playing HS football then and over the years, the only thing I can think of that drove the move to 6A was more balance between size of schools, so more trophies, and more chances for trophies. Now that there are 6 classifications several conferences are finding it hard to support the current system with the their number of teams. Nots sure what it accomplished? Still have a big disparity in several classes top to bottom, and ECP, PREP, BG, WOOD, SC, PARKLAND, and the D7 winners still rule…

    Why allow an October transfer to play for 2 teams same season….

  221. Kevin X says:

    @ D12FAN

    Maybe I’m not the common sense HS football fan that I may think that I am, as I actually like the move to 6 classifications. In fact I believe it was long over due IMO. People will always find something to complain about, especially when things don’t go their way.

    I do agree with you on the rest of your points………(except maybe wait until after October 1st for a transfer sit out the rest of the current season, and say 4 games from the start of practice to Oct. 1st??)

  222. Kevin X says:

    @ WPIAL Rules

    I agree, at least with the 32 team part. I’ve mentioned this some time ago, do away with the districts (really like trying to put a square peg in a round hole for football playoff purposes), and figure out the best 32 teams in each classification (I really don’t care how they do, it will still be better then letting every mediocre Tom Dick and Harry team into the post season), and get it done in 5 weeks. Seed each team 1 to 8 in a regional/geographical 4 bracket common sense manner, while attempting to avoid early round re-mateches (enough of SJP and LaSalle meeting ever round week 2 for example) and then you can either move the finals up to the first weekend of December, push the start of the season back to Labor Day weekend, have a mandatory bye week, or even an 11 game regular season schedule. I’m tired of all these mis-matches, routes, mercy rules games, and re-matches of the same teams every year. Mix things up for once guys!!!

  223. D12FAN says:

    I don’t think any common sense high school football fan agrees with any of the last 3 big decisions by PIAA.

    1. 4 classes to 6: PA football already watered down by demographics, going to 6 did nothing, people still complain about larger school enrollment in each class. This decision is part of the reason for the realingment decision this year, one bad move leads to another…

    2. Transfer rule: 21 day sit out period. Just simply say once season offically starts in August you can’t play for another team period.

    3. Realigment: Completely transparent move to give D1 and D3 teams a better chance of getting to Hershey. It totally disadvantages D11, having to get through D7 and D12. Also, creates a very likely scenario best 2 teams in state will meet in semi’s especially in 5A and 6A.

    Doens’t matter to Prep and Wood they will play anywhere, but these three decisions lack common sense for all schools and continue to make PIAA football less appealing for all.

  224. WPIAL Rules says:

    Sorry JC my bad!

  225. Buddy says:

    Go to 5 classes instead of 6.

    That should help the WPIAL problem and many others too.

  226. newman says:

    Of course they have the potential to be “epic”, but why should SJP or LaSalle have to play a neutral site game in front of 187 people against a team from Pittsburgh in a state semi-final to make that happen? Quite frankly, I would like to see more of these out of conference games but I suspect the opposite will happen. If Coatesville (or other D1 power) and CV (or other D3 power) have the potential to meet in the playoffs I suspect they may be less apt to want to play each other during the regular season.

  227. PastorZack says:

    The PIAA ruling directly helps teams in District 1. Not having to play the Non-boundary schools before the championship game is a comfort.

    D1 and D3 battles will be epic. Good showdown will be Coatesville and Cumberland Valley in week 3 again.

  228. JC says:

    @WPIAL RULES: You may have misunderstood me; I was agreeing with you.

  229. WPIAL RULES says:

    JC, but why have a team from the furthest east play a team from the furthest west? Pull a 6A from Central PA to fill the number of teams. Balance out the numbers that. PIAA is just pissed that most of the championship teams are from one of the 3 district. I’m spotting D11 from 2011.

  230. mark d says:

    @Dawg Pound good schedule but for a tough one check out Abington Heights

  231. NCFALCONS82 says:

    I think it’s time for the PCL and WPIAL to get out of PIAA. Have their own state title game. Best in the PCL Vs best in WPIAL. PIAA has become irrelevant.

  232. Dawg Pound says:

    Berwick football schedule 18-19:
    Abington Heights
    Valley View
    WB Coughlin
    Toughest schedule in District 2

  233. JC says:

    @WPIAL RULES: I’m inclined to agree, as this really screws D11, who now has to get through D12 and D7 just to make the final. 2011 was the last time a team outside of D7 or D12 won the title in the highest classification; common sense says keep them on opposite sides. If this is a response to the number of 6A WPIAL schools declining to 9, it feels reactionary.

  234. Neutral Observer says:

    I forgot LFC Division IV:


  235. Neutral Observer says:

    Lackawanna Football Conference (LFC) schedules have been released (sort of):




    I think the most interesting match up is Dunmore (2A) playing Scranton Prep (3A) to start the season.

  236. Jacob says:

    District 2/LFC approved new league alignment and schedules. Schedules for Lackawanna league were posted in today’s Scranton paper but are not in online article.

    That much wanted Prep Vs. Dunmore game will happen week 1.

    The article discusses the new make up but doesn’t have the schedules.


  237. WPIAL RULES says:


    What a joke. It’s time for the WPIAL to pull out of the PIAA. What is the purpose of having an eastern and western champion? Why not just rank the top 16 or 32 teams in the state in each conferance and go from there?

  238. Toby Kimball says:

    LL-Berks merger has little chance of happening.

    LL is unsure of Mifflin as they left once before when they struggled with a tough schedule and their roster numbers dropped due to lack of success. Same concerns are there for BC over the long haul. Their own AD admitted such and was hesitant to even move up to Berks section one.

    That league tries to mess with Wilson’s schedule and they will leave and go to the Mid-Penn. The presence of Wilson gives Township, Hempfield, Warwick, Penn Manor a bar to strive for. They don’t want that measuring stick to leave. Just ask Mark Evans what Wilson has done for their program.

  239. Mgguy says:

    Reading Eagle reported today LL and Berks League looking at football merger. Could be interesting if it happens.

  240. Tom F says:

    WOW! Berks County might merge with Lancaster Lebanon league-article below. Scheduling problems were the main reason’s cited. Berks Div 1 and 2 have only 7 teams each. Blue Mt and Pottsville exited Berks several years ago which hurt their scheduling. Some interesting matchups could occur with berks Catholic, Cocalico and Manheim Central in the same division. Wilson and Governor Mifflin already play each other annually.


  241. sausmann9 says:

    @ phillyboy – won’t be Bosco. They just got their guy in place ala Mike Teel. Infante’s ego will never let himself be an assistant at HS level, he’s got to be the head man in charge and its one of the reason’s he ended up where he did. Maybe another school in BNU but highly doubt DBP.

  242. Mike Coyne says:

    If anyone has 80 to 100 lb dumbbells in good shape they’re looking to get rid of, I’m your man! Please email me at mcoyne51@yahoo.com.

  243. TomF says:

    Dan Connor steps down at Carroll to be Widener’s defensive coordinator. He had a 4-18 record at Carroll.


  244. phillyboy says:

    Like the Whoopi Goldberg character in Star Trek The Next Generation, my intuition tells me something. I don’t know why, just have a hunch that Coach Infante is gonna bail from the Prep. Not necessarily this year but relatively soon. He’s already snagged 3 state titles, reaching a high point in 2016 with the #12 team in the nation in USA Today final rankings. With his resume and people skills I could see him getting offers to coach at a higher level. The most likely scenario though is that he returns to North Jersey to take over one of the big boys like Don Bosco. Plus it’s a natural desire to want to return to your roots later in life, so an overture by Bosco etc. could be what makes it happen.

  245. Jacob C says:

    District 2 released a unapproved schedule. I believe it gets voted on for approval this week.


  246. GeorgeP says:

    Any Truth to LaSalle’s Brett Gordon moving on to College? Possibly NFL?

  247. David Mika says:

    Next month I will start working on schedules.

  248. Matt says:

    When do 2018 schedules start coming out? I know some leagues post schedules in January.

  249. sausmann9 says:

    @Alex B – go back to 2017 season and look in month of March. around posts 2280’s. Billtown, Neutralobserv, etc.. had conversation about it. not sure if POC info included. good luck.

  250. Mike A. says:

    @David Mika
    “Its up top Mike A. Click on 2017 Football Forum.”

    OK..thanks. I was looking at the top of the page where the menu’s are.

  251. LM parent says:

    Tamaqua is on our schedule for 2018. I know they were pretty good in 2017 and have a good number of kids back. Can someone provide any further info on them and how they will be in 2018?

  252. David Mika says:


  253. sausmann9 says:

    @Alex B – if nobody replys, go back on the 2017 eastern forum and find a reply that had ALL the contact info for PIAA officiating. I don’t have the time to find it but somebody else might have it handy. hope that helps.

  254. Alex B says:

    Hey guys,

    I am interested in becoming an official this coming year. I am just doing some research and trying to find any information I can. I’m more so looking for dates or timelines of when I should start the process and when different referee clinics will start popping up. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

  255. David Mika says:

    Its up top Mike A. Click on 2017 Football Forum.

  256. Mike A. says:

    Wonder if they could put up a link to last years comments for a while?

  257. Dawg Pound says:

    Congrats to Matt Nagy on being chosen new Chicago Bears head coach. Nagy played qb at Manheim Central in 94 and 95, losing in state playoffs to Berwick both years. Nagy then went on to be qb at Delaware where he was a very good qb. Nagy recently was OC for KC Chiefs before getting bears job. Good luck Matt, I’m sure you will do a good job in Chicago.

  258. TomF says:

    Justin, you would need to determine a number of things, What level – Physically/Academically is a fit for your son? I’m sure his coaches will give him an honest assessment. Revisit the schools that were initially interested in your son, contact them to see if they have any additional scholarships open.
    Contact recruiting sites like Go Big Recruiting and explain your son’s situation. There is still time to get your son in the mix for a scholarship somewhere.

  259. College Coach says:

    Jusin E
    It is very late for FBS/FCS schools. Without knowing anything about your son at all. I would say he would have known if FBS/FCS schools were heavily interested in him. We can be relentless in contacting prospective student athletes. So if any FBS/FCS schools contacted him I would start by contacting those schools. I would have him ask his HS coach what FBS/FCS schools came into school and asked about him. Regardless of how much his HS coach has or has not done for him, if schools at that level think a someone can play for them. At the very least they were asked about when the coach was in the school in January/May 2017. If no schools even asked about him, it is highly unlikely that no matter what the coach did, he was going to be recruited at that level. I would start contacting D2/3 schools. My personal opinion is that D3 football is much a much better route than D2 UNLESS the D2 school is bringing significant scholarship money to the table. It is not too late for D2 either. Hope this helps.

  260. Justin E says:

    My post right before the new year is gone with the updated forum so I will repost.

    My son just finished his senior year of football. He made all-state and 1st team Eastern PA football as a linebacker. He has been on varsity since 9th grade(class 5A school) and led his team in tackles since 10th grade. He was dead set on going to the military so we did nothing as far as recruiting goes. His coach did nothing for him since he was also under the impression my son was going to the military. Well now my son has chosen not to peruse a military career and its very late in the recruiting game I would guess. Im looking for suggestions from coaches or a parent that went through the recruiting process this late on where to start. My kid will be perfectly happy just going to community college but I figured if there was a school out there that would have interest in him he can continue playing football. I have not personally talked to any coaches about him and any that contacted his coach were basically brushed off. What do I do now?

  261. JC says:

    Predicted champions for this year:

    St Joe’s Prep
    Archbishop Wood
    Imhotep Charter
    Southern Columbia
    Bishop Guilfoyle

    Even with these off-the-cuff guesses that took me about 2 minutes to think about, I’d be surprised if I didn’t get at least 50%. That’s including Imhotep-Cathedral, where I’d be surprised if those aren’t the final two teams again. I’ll hold out hope for a more unpredictable year, though.

  262. D12FAN says:

    Some NJ and D12 games next year:


  263. phillyboy says:

    Yeah just noticed that Ohio’s Division I state champion this year is Pickerington Central, located just outside of Columbus. Wow, it’s been a minute since PA and Ohio both had public state champs in the highest classification in the same year — that’s what’s up. I think I’m gonna out and get me a Wendy’s chili as a nod to Columbus, baby!

  264. sausmann9 says:

    Happy New Year everyone!!! Hey all, remember Thursday is the Under Armour All Star game at 1pm and then on Saturday at 1pm is the US Army All Star game. Enjoy and good luck to our PA players!!!!

  265. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!

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