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2017 Football Forum

Written by: on Sunday, January 1st, 2017

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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2016 season.

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  1. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    Yea, I saw that. Thanks

    @ Smoll:

    You’re right. NP doesn’t have it together 1st or 2nd games. But they have another gear during playoffs.

    @ Kevin:

    Agree. I got Coatesville top dog in D1. Most likely NP 2nd. That should be settled later in the year.

  2. mark d says:

    i am being told that Dunmore QB will not return for his senior year. He going to focus on the javelin where he was the AA state champ.

  3. Andy says:

    Jahon Dotson WR, has returned to Nazareth , he has been granted immediately eligible.?? D1 prospect. I am surprised by the automatic eligibility.. Good Luck

  4. Kevin X says:

    @ McD65, I think Coatesville will be your sleeper lurking in 6A……, P-R out west.

    Any one else is 5A, east or west, going to challenge Wood and H-Burg, or everyone already eyeing a Hershey re-match?

    Same with 4A, ‘Tep v ECP in the grudge match??

  5. Michael Smoll says:

    @McD65, I got the feeling it will be the old North Penn teams of the past, meaning, they play a tough beginning and may take some knocks as all their new pieces come together, but come November, watchout.

  6. Tom F says:

    Interesting tidbits about Mike Williams testimony on “Non-Boundry” Schools and separate classifications. Williams wants 2 separate classifications, 1 Public-(6 classifications), 1 Private-(3 Classifications). The Catholic League brought in their lawyer and stated that it’s unconstitutional due to the 1972 statute. Separate classifications won’t happen. Recruiting, donors, scholarships were brought up but Williams had little proof and gave only 1 recruiting example without naming anyone/school. Transfers are again being looked at by the PIAA, it looks like mid season transfers, ie Parsons to Harrisburg, will probably be abolished or only under special circumstances. Fairness in classifications is being looked at, same schools winning every year has to change. The Indiana rule was brought up several times-a team’s record in season, playoffs will be looked at. If a team wins a championship, they automatically move up in class, some State reps liked it, others didn’t. Charters didn’t fare so well, one State Rep asked why the State is even paying for sports for these schools as they have to pay for the athletic programs at a Public and Charter school for the same kids. One remedy was to have the athletes play sports at the local public school where they live. 77% of the athletes attending Catholic school are from Catholic elementary schools and played CYO ball. The numbers are trending up for Privates/Charters regarding State Championships, in the past it was predominately the Public Schools winning, CB West, Berwick, S. Columbia etc. Population loss in many areas are causing rural Pubs to lose athletes, many small schools have problems even fielding teams, many co-opps are popping up. One big fact that was brought up is that a Public school athlete can attend another Public school if they pay tuition, which negated the complaint about the Catholic/Charter school boundry rules. In addition, it was brought up that every Pub athlete is on scholarship since they don’t pay tuition while a private school athlete pays property tax and tuition. Athlete Move in’s to Pubs/Privates was also brought up but tough to police and the Piaa doesn’t have the manpower to investigate unless a complaint is lodged. One big note was the PIAA stated that HS Principals are not doing enough to sign off on transfers for athletic reasons. Rep Maloney from berks/Mont blasted the process stating kids should be allowed to transfer wherever they want without penalty……Maloney’s nephew wrestles for BECA. I believe the PIAA will tweak some things but nothing major.

  7. David Mika says:

    FridayNightLights….You are correct. But LaSalle is the home team per AD. But its at Crawford Stadium

  8. FridayNightLights says:


    NP has a new website and they posted the schedule. They have it as 8/25 vs. LaSalle 7pm @ Crawford Stadium.

  9. McD 65 says:

    Harrisburg should be one of the top rated teams in the state this year with a good number of D-1 athletes on their squad. Their passing game will be a huge strength and with Parsons at RB they will be monsters. Bishop McDevitt /Harrisburg may be a good early test to validate or not ,the quality of team they will put out this year.

  10. Neutral Observer says:

    Chris Bleich (OT, Wyoming Valley West) committed to UCLA. Decommitted from Penn State in April.


  11. McD 65 says:

    Tom F, on paper Harrisburg would be the hands down favorite in 5 A, but as Phillyboy says Wood is the pick for me in a much closer game . I don’t believe Wood will hold Hsbg. under 28 points so I expect a shootout. LaSalle /North Penn at the beginning of the year should give us some direction as to the 6 A rep.Of course you never know if there is a sleeper lurking. Cant wait !!!

  12. phillyboy says:

    @ Tom F

    Lol — Nice try with the reverse psychology. You know darn right well that until proven otherwise Prep or LaSalle and Wood are the favorites in 6A and 5A statewide.

  13. Tom F says:

    Could the privates be shut out this year regarding the PIAA football Championships? Except for 4A and 1A I don’t see the private schools having any favorites.

    6A Could be a N.Penn/Pine Richland final this year

    5A hburgh looks to have enough to overcome Wood this year

    4A TEP/ECP doesn’t look like anything changes here

    3A Beaver Falls/Middletown/Central has a good team returning

    2A Southern Columbia probably wont be challenged

    1A Bishop Guilfoyle/??? BG has the numbers and size to repeat, its time they move up in class

  14. McD 65 says:

    Kmac, Yes I would like to meet you at the Wood Paramus Catholic game .We can firm up as the date approaches. I have just about given up on going to McDevitt games . They just keep losing Good potential players that are local to the school ,but are choosing to attend either Wood Imhotep or Roman. This has been a trend for the last 7 years or so and the one chance for a comeback was if they were to have had Drew Gordan take over as head coach. Anyway, look forward to watching several D-1 players on both sides at the game . See you there.

  15. Buddy says:

    So it begs to question: Why didn’t PCN cover the baseball championships?

    It shouldn’t be finances. They have pledge drives 24 hours a day anymore.

    Maybe the 6 classes drove them from covering these games. Hope not.

  16. Mike A. says:

    McD65…I watched the Big 33 game on a Harrisburg Channel 21 digital channel.

  17. Mike A. says:

    Penn State 7-on-7 camp: Harrisburg wins

  18. Mike A. says:

    Another D1 player transfers to Harrisburg.

  19. Kmac says:

    McD 65

    We have spoken in the past on various opportunities to meet at games. I see three on my early season schedule for 2017 that may serve the purpose. Sat 9/2 Paramus Catholic at Wood at tennent. Sat 9/16 O’Hara at McDevitt at Bensalem. And Sat 10/7 McDevitt at Conwell-Egan at Truman. All are 7:00 PM night games, and if all goes well, I hope to get to.

  20. McD 65 says:

    Surprised that PCN did not have the baseball state championships on this year. They stopped the big 33 ,now this . I’m guessing the football championships are next. Very disappointing.

  21. Kevin X says:

    Anybody know if Saturday’s Big 33 game will be televised or live streamed??

  22. D12FAN says:

    C Jacoby

    Very happy your son has found the right fit at Father Judge. I look forward to watching him play. I believe most, not all, families follow the same process, trying to identify the best fit for their children academically, athletically and socially. There have been plenty of very good students and athletes that have had opportunities to attend IA, PCL (Private Ind. or Archdiocese) and strong public schools. Many have been coveted and contacted by all these schools within the PIAA rules and ultimately have found the right fit for them whether at a private or public school. The funniest thing to me about all this talk from contemporary parents is that it is something new. Just because it is new to them. Lasalle has been playing football over 100 years, where did all those players come from over the years? Or the great Bedesem teams of the 60’s at Egan, and the list could go on….The bottom line to me is, that as football unfortunately declines at the youth and HS level across the country, we are very fortunate in SE-PA to have passionate, quality coaches/programs (both public and private), and a lot of players, both great talents and great role players, because football needs both to be successful. Looking forward to another great season……

  23. Michael Smoll says:

    To Tom F.

    Please read C Jacoby’s response. Also although I said it’s my interpretation of the PIAA rules, I feel pretty good about my interpretation after reading the rules several times, perhaps, just perhaps you need to re-read those rules.

  24. C Jacoby says:

    @Michael Smoll They already did, or I wouldn’t openly comment on a forum about it. But it almost cost him his freshman yr playing ball which was pretty devastating to him. Luckily the piaa & archdiocese gave out warnings or so I was told, it started as an anonymous complaint from one of the hs. Then became a he said she said thing. A word to the wise, if your a parent make sure you yourself download & familiarize yourself with the rules & regulations because at the end of the day, through no fault of your own you could end up opening alot of doors you don’t want to. Take advice & input from coaches etc. But make sure your in the clear regardless. It was pretty scary not knowing how things would go for a while, and trust me the headache & stuff involved was something else.

  25. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    No big deal. We’ll find out soon enough.

    Their 1st five games are listed away. Lot of traveling. Nice to have the 1st one at home.

  26. TomF says:

    Mike Smoll, your interpretation of the rules for recruiting are incorrect, if a student attends a Catholic elementary school, and Jacoby did, any regional catholic high school can contact him. In addition,a Mcguire Scholarship winner is entitles to $$$ to attend those fantastic schools. The Piaa should be looking into where all of these NP transfers are living. if I am a taxpayer in the N.Penn SD, I’m pissed, all of these transfers are costing the taxpayers 16K per student. And their AD had the stones to punish Ryan Vulakh for transferring out of NP, what a joke!

  27. Michael Smoll says:

    Two comments, First don’t worry about North Penn, they may experience some bumps early, but by the end of the season they will be a Juggernaut, it’s just how they roll. All their kids get better playing those tough games early.

    Secondly as I interpret the PIAA rules against recruiting C Jacoby mentioned, several that are clearly being broken by some of the schools mentioned. His written admission of the recruiting of his son should be enough for the PIAA and the State to investigate.

  28. FridayNightLights says:


    I can’t confirm I am just offering speculation as to what could be the reason for the confusion. I am just pretty sure at least once in the past North Penn has opened the season with an “Away” game against LaSalle at Crawford Stadium. Also, a quick MaxPreps search shows PW as having a home game on the 25th. Would make sense. Either way we are already starting to close in on another exciting season and me thinks North Penn might be pretty good again!

  29. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    So you’re confirming the LaSalle game is at North Penn?

  30. C Jacoby says:

    Here’s my experience as a dad with a highly recruited athlete in PA. My son’s entering his sophomore year this yr, last yr I had every major high school coach all over him. Did the shadow day thing. For the Parrish fee, he could of went to Germantown Academy. Same for St Joe’s Prep. LaSalle, Roman Catholic, Wood, Chestnut Hill Academy etc. Even 3 Jersey teams. He’s 6’4 1/2, 275.Plays LT/DT. Played in the city all star games, even won this Under Armour camp which puts you on some watch list. As a parent,I did things differently. No offense, but I didn’t jump when prep lasalle or wood called everyday. He did his visits, & I told him you make your decision based on what you feel is right for you. Accolades are all people are after. He needed to be around good kids & consider the impact his decision would have on his family. Because at the end of the day, if your meant to play D1 football at the next level you’ll get there. Now will it be easy, no. But everyone just wants to say “my kid played on this team or won that”. He won the Maguire scholarship too so he’s not a big meat head lol. I worked real hard with him. PA needs to adjust some things to keep it interesting now what that is idk. But as a parent, I seen the fellow recruits mostly from parents just pick 1 of the big 3 in philly. There will always be a clear difference in public/catholic League competition but the recruitment process should be explained better to parents or coaches. At least give some schools a shot at getting a great kid. Also the transfers do need something done imo. He stayed home with his neibourhood school & enjoyed being the underdog. The school is Father Judge believe it or not. To me, it’s an experience. I know what doors can be opened attending what schools, & I didn’t want him dealing with all the politics. Get a good education, play ball, and see what happens. So yes, there are some kids / parents out there that prioritize things differently. Will he win a championship, hard to say I hope but will be tough. But he’s happier than he’s ever been. Has good grades, and enjoys being the “top dog” at his school where most his friends/former players attend. I honestly can say that I never want to go through that process again because it was an everyday thing. Most kids would be happy riding the bench but getting a ring at a prestigious school but not my kid. I want him to keep working hard & just do what he’s gotta do. People thought I was nuts not just sending him to 1 of them, but I know of he’s in a good place he’ll excell better. Just my opinion!

  31. FridayNightLights says:

    Buddy and Kevin

    I believe in the past NP and LaSalle have played a “home” game for LaSalle at Crawford Stadium. The NP fans still sat on the home side and NP bench was on the home side but LaSalle wore their home uniforms while NP wore their away uniforms. My guess is it’s at Crawford but LaSalle is the home team.

  32. King Cobra says:

    @bob Hines

    LaSalle will be very good, better then last year. They return i believe 19 or so starters, they really only lose LaMorte who will be replaced by Isaiah Jones who missed the whole season last year and they lose RB Madden who was the Horse, he will be the biggest person to fill. The entire OLINE is returning including Garrett Zobel 6’4 280. At WR they return Troy Holland, Brett Malle, TE Liam Trainer 6’3 240, FB Joey Burnham who was a big party of the O last year catching 6-7 TDs in the Flat. At RB it seems to be by committee, Manny Quiles who had a very good soph season when he wasn’t injured will be a big player for them, possibly Octavious Carter will get some carries, my opinion could be there only question mark. On Defense they return a lot, with LB 6’2 215 MLB Austin Lemke back as the man in the middle, Jones back at Safety, Wroten, Daly, Whitehead, Hirschman, Maloney, Zobel, Forsyth, Caponi, Kutznetsov & Qulies, Smith all played big parts on D and were young last season i think the Defense this year is better, also watch for Dillon Trainer a Soph LB who will play a lot hes 6’1 210. Overall if Jones is healthy he could take them to Hershey….That’s a IF, because it still goes through Prep. Should be a fun season

  33. Buddy says:

    @ kevin

    Your right. I know that LS played at NP last year. So it should be NP at LS ( PW field ) this year. They must have moved the game to NP.

    @ MIKA

    Can you verify the above and change your schedule here if need be.

  34. Kevin X says:

    Answered my own question, LaSalle is playing @ North Penn Fri. 8/25 per the LaSalle web site…..

  35. Kevin X says:

    Ok guys, I’m a little confused about the site/location of the North Penn/LaSalle game. Per the schedules found on this web site, both D-Town East is @ Plymouth-Whitemarsh and NP is @ LaSalle @ P-W that first game of the year on Friday August 25th. Can’t have two games the same night at P-W, right? (would be a cool double header tho). Maybe NP @ LaSalle @ P-W Saturday the 26th, or is it @ NP on the 25th??

  36. Buddy says:

    It’s North Penn AT LaSalle. PW field. This site has KO at 7:30.

    LaSalle RB Sy Madden I believe has graduated. Gained 200 yds against NP last year. Unstoppable.

    LaSalle doesn’t rebuild, they reload.

    1st game of the year, NP at LS. This game will tell a lot for both teams.

  37. Bob Hines says:

    PCL schedule has been released. Here’s a few games of note:

    8/25: Wood at Oxbridge Academy (FL) 8pm ESPN
    8/25: LaSalle at North Penn 7pm
    9/1: SJ Prep at Tampa (FL) Jesuit 7pm ESPN
    9/2: Paramus Catholic (NJ) at Wood 7pm
    9/9: Wood at Bergen Catholic (NJ) 2:30
    9/9: St. Peter’s Prep (NJ) at SJ Prep 7pm
    9/9: Malvern Prep at LaSalle 7pm
    9/15: Wood at SJ Prep 7:30pm
    10/20: LaSalle at SJ Prep 7:30pm
    10/27: LaSalle at Wood 7pm

    Home fields are as follows: SJ Prep- Widener, Wood- William Tennent, LaSalle-Plymouth Whitemarsh.

    Wood has a monster schedule ahead of them. 3 games there vs Jersey powerhouses there let’s see how they handle it. SJP and Wood both have rebuilding to do. Not sure how LaSalle supposed to be this year. Anybody know?

  38. McD 65 says:

    Tom F , FYI, Wood does play with the big boys during the regular season in the large school PCL division. This year IMP, if Wood makes the finals again, they will have their hands full with Harrisburg who as many fans know are loaded. They have D-1 prospects at WR,DE/RB and a QB that I think will be a very good college prospect. Wood graduated their 2 All State RBs and their replacements are TBD. Cant wait for the year to begin.

  39. Tom F says:

    Kevin, the goal is to put teams where they would be competitive regardless of class, you see the same schools every single year in the Playoffs competing for a championship….Prep. Wood, TEP, ECP, S. Columbia etc, very few schools have a chance against these powerhouses. Does anyone think that TEP and ECP will not meet yet again for the 4A Championship? Or S. Columbia in the finals for the 10th time? TEP is 3A by enrollment but how many 3A teams average 280 lbs on the line and have several hs all-americans in the lineup? The other teams shouldn’t even show up in 4A in the playoffs, they will get mercy ruled by ECP and Tep again. 4a Public schools in Erie actually MOVED UP in class to avoid ECP in the playoffs. I would rather see Wood against Prep in 6A, having them yet run roughshod through 5A again on to win yet another championship makes no sense.

  40. Route 54 says:

    Who will win districts for A,AA,AAA in D4, D2,D11? Elaborate, discuss

  41. Route 54 says:

    Who is willing to take a crack at District winners? District 4, 2, 11. Any thoughts

  42. jj D2 says:


    Dunmore has a large junior class and after next year the enrollment will drop back down to 170 to 180. Dunmore’s population is starting to decrease and I dont think they will fair as well in the future, hopefully I’m wrong

  43. jj D2 says:

    @ jj

    When did I ever say Dunmore DID NOT have a winning postseason record?

    Dunmore’s schedule just does not prepare them for the postseason anymore. Why would you even want to play that schedule? Its embarrassing. Just my opinion…..maybe I am missing something.

    I dont know how else to take that statement

  44. Kevin X says:

    @ Tom F

    I could jump on board that moving up requirement. Some midwest state I believe ode that now. Indiana maybe?? Two minor point tho, Imhotep by enrollment standards is a 3A school that has voluntarily moved up to 4A. Still move them up to 5A?? What about ht elites of SJP and PCC, 6A schools that would, well, have to move up to play in a phantom 7A classification.

    @ Jacob, don’t see an issue there, Dunmore’s population is on the decline, they’ll probably be a somewhat slightly higher than mid pack (enrollment wise) 2A school by the time things shake out. Always tho volunteer to play up, get away from SoCol down the playoff road, but have to deal with Scr. Prep in D2.

  45. Jacob says:

    Lots of Talk about Dunmore playing in the 2A classification. That all could change for the 2018 season. They were at 199 and the cutoff was 200 for 2A enrollment with the last cycle. The LFC I think would make a change is they move up to the 3A classification.

  46. Billy Splain says:

    Update: From what I gathered, this is just an informal discussion about the current recruiting/boundary issues brought on by a couple people. The PIAA nor PSFCA is involved at this time though those involved have invited those groups to the discussion. So basically, not much is known at this point what the discussions will entail. The PSFCA is having a meeting next week to discuss. FYI, here is the bill that put the PCIAA into the Piaa picture in 1972: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=1971&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2104&pn=3263

    TomF is on the right track. The PIAA is looking in to several avenues such as the success factor/moving teams up based on earned points. Also the % is again being looked at. Another idea they will look at is making the school building itself the boundary, not the entire district. Ex: in Philly, a player can move all over without consequence. Making the building itself the “boundary” brings in the transfer rules which basically don’t exist when a district covers 40 schools as opposed to say Harrisburg school district which basically has one HS.

  47. Phil says:


    I agree 100%. Also, it’s better for those kids competition-wise especially if you are going to play at the next level. Who really wants to play a half and beat someone by 50 every game. The kids want to prove themselves and those teams you mentioned (and those in basketball too) would welcome the stepped up competition.

    Pennsylvania is too large and has too many schools to not have 6 classes in football (and basketball). I wish people would quit saying it’s watered down. It’s not. You went from .7% of total teams in football winning championships to 1%, a whole .3% increase. (It’s even more miniscule in basketball.) Tell that to Beaver Falls or Steel Valley in football, because with 4 classes, only one would have won a state championship, and both were quality teams. How about Middletown? Never would have made it with 4 classes and look at the enthusiasm the student body and school district had. Ditto for basketball.

    No, we are where we should be. We just need to somehow cut down on transfers and we need to incorporate the success factor to make a fairer playing field.

  48. Kevin X says:

    @ Matt

    Guess I’ll disagree with you and many others who are not in favor of the 6 classifications. I think its one of the better moves by the PIAA, long over due, and also with basketball and other sports. As far as football goes, I do not think it waters down the championships one iota. What does is this moronic system of allowing every 4-6, 3-7, or worse team into the playoffs. I said this some time ago, scrap the district playoff system, figure out the best 32 teams across the state in each classification, bracket and seed them in a common sense regional format (with attempting to avoid regular season re-matches in the first and second rounds, if feasibly possible), and let them go at it over the course of 5 weeks.

  49. TomF says:

    I’m all for the proposal for moving up a State champ 1 level for 2 years,let’s face it, Wood belongs in 6A, Tep 5A, Bishop Guilfoyle also should have been in a higher classification. Southern Columbia has won more football championships than any private school has in Pa. Hoops the same thing, the Philly schools dominate hoops due to transfers and having a mega pool to draw from. Neumann Goretti, a 3A school probably would have won at 6A I am not against kids transferring schools, but the PIAA should put schools where they belong to make the field more competitive.

  50. Coal Region FB says:

    Still going with the recruiting I see. I find it hard to believe separation between catholic and private schools will ever happen. Sounds like discrimination if you ask me. Everyone wants a trophy, wants to be a winner. What’s worse is that this makes the cry baby bigger. If that’s the case, then create a different league and playoff system for the successful teams year in and year out,  example SCA. Don’t believe everything here that certain people post. They’re just stirring the pot because most likely, they don’t like winning programs or their teams are getting beat.

  51. mark d says:

    @kevin x yes the Lack conference is set up to match same size schools for playoff points.Playing down does you no good.No team want to go down 2 and 3 classifications on their schedule.As you said Dunmore is kind of stuck playing the AA and A schools

  52. Kevin X says:

    @ Pastor Z

    What is their (coaches) frustration with the classification??

  53. Matt says:


    I understand the issues presented about private school transferring and such. I am not going to stand on a soap box one or another. Seperating champiosnhips is the WRONG thing to do. I am speaking from football perspective. The last thing we need to do in PA is water down our championships which we did by going to 6 classes. If you seperate the private schools now, it will become complete anarchy with regard to recruiting. We are basing a state decision on 2 districts in Pennsylvania 12 and 1. I agree there is a transfer issue. Not saying this is the perfect solution but I have a little more practical solution then seperating.
    1. Go Back to 4 classifications
    2. Private schools 3A and higher must play 4A
    3. Private schools 2A and higher must play 3A
    4. Charter schools – students must play for there home district school.
    5. Boundaries on Private schools.
    example: ACC can only have have student athletes participate from Lehigh County. If you want the catholic education from say Berks that fine but if you are not from Lehigh County you must play for your home district.
    Wood – Bucks; BECA – Northamton etc

    – Yes Catholic schools would still have a broad area to pull kids from but there would at least be a boundary.

  54. Rick D says:

    @ mark d

    Sure it makes sense. Bonus points! If a team like VV can beat Dunmore then they get all those bonus points for games Dunmore wins. For example….if they played Dunmore instead of Del Val. They aren’t going to beat Del Val. Better chance of beating Dunmore. They get less points for beating a AA school but with the bonus points it probably evens out.

    If you a AAA or AAAA school scheduling a smaller school that wins 7,8 or 9 games every year……it makes perfect sense. Certainly VV, Prep, WS, NP, etc shouldnt schedule the bad small schools in the Lack League. But Dunmore is a different story. Dunmore is a dominant program and should be playing a better schedule. I think there are benefits if its done the right way. Again, only my opinion.

  55. Rick D says:

    @ jj

    When did I ever say Dunmore DID NOT have a winning postseason record? They are clearly one of the top programs in D2.

    You actually reinforce my point by showing me how successful they have been against larger schools. Although I would not read too much into going 17-0 against Lehman, WW and Honesdale.

    I am simply saying they would be better off playing a more difficult schedule. Why waste time with Holy Cross, Montrose, Susq, etc, etc.

    And jj….no reason for a sarcastic tone my man. Just our opinions being tossed around here.

  56. PastorZack says:

    @Billy after talking to coaches in the area, many are frustrated at the PIAA, especially in D1 about the classification/recruiting issues. This is VERY welcome news, in my opinion.

  57. Billy Splain says:

    Didn’t see this so: PA Athletic Oversight Committee to hold public hearing on separate championships/classification of high school sports June 20. Not sure what this will entail. This is apparently a preliminary fact finding hearing brought on by a legislator urged on by former Manheim Central coach Mike Williams. The PIAA wasn’t involved initially. They are having a meeting tomorrow to discuss and will be involved in the hearing. I will know more Friday morning.

  58. McD 65 says:

    It is obvious a certain person here has a real dislike for the PCL and several Western Pa. Catholic schools. Many of his comments are so ridiculous and exaggerated that they are laughable. Those who don’t know facts about the PCL should pass on the subject.

  59. Kevin X says:

    @ Rick D

    It is because Dunmore is stuck(?) in a LFC 3 Division with 10 teams. These teams, I’m assuming, need/are required to play each other, so thats 9 division games (against fairly weak A and AA opponents), which leaves you one non division game to schedule. LFC 1 and LFC 2 only have 4 and 6 teams respectively, which gives them the ability (and requirement) to schedule more out of division/conference games. I made a suggestion in a post back on May 23rd to do some tweaking and realigning of the LFC to even up the divisions, part of which would of been moving Dunmore and Lakeland up to LFC 2, which would give Dunmore more wiggle room to schedule better opponents, and have better division opponents. Just thought I tossed out there. Not sure of the rationalization of how the LFC is set up now, guess straight enrollment numbers.

  60. jj d2 says:

    @rick d

    You are missing something, Dunmore has a winning postseason record. In the last 9 yrs. dunmore’s record against bigger schools
    W L
    west scranton 9 1
    Western Wayne 9 0
    Vally View 1 0 North Pocono 3 1
    Honesdale 6 0 Lake lehman 2 0
    Scranton Prep 3 2
    total 33 4

    Smaller schools
    W L
    Riverside 7 4
    Old Forge 5 3
    total 12 7

    so much for you theory huh

  61. mark d says:

    @Rick d why would VV,NP, West and Prep play down their no up side for them ? Valley View alreasy has 3 schools below AAAA what would they do take a 5 or 6 a team off the schedule to play a AA make no sence for those schools

  62. Rick D says:

    @ mark d

    I obviously don’t mean for this season. I mean for the next schedule cycle. I would like to see them play up with the 3A’s and 4A’s like VV, NP, West Scr and Prep. Throw in Honesdale and WWayne and thats 6 games right there. Maybe keep Lakeland and Riverside or Old Forge. Crossover with a team or 2 from the WVC. Seems pretty simple to me. Honesdale and WWayne play in the same league as 3A and 4A schools but do not play up against the 5A and 6A schools. If they can get away with it, why can’t Dunmore? Dunmore’s schedule just does not prepare them for the postseason anymore. Why would you even want to play that schedule? Its embarrassing. Just my opinion…..maybe I am missing something.

  63. Bob Hines says:

    Buddy, nice try, but I went to Frankford. Kept my family in the neighborhood. By the time my kids were ready for high school Frankford students were going through medal detectors and the school was violent and dangerous. So my kids “transferred” to North Catholic which is now closed. Would have loved to send them to SJP LaSalle Penn Charter or Chestnut Hill. Wasn’t in the cards. When LaSalle was absolutely pounding my boy at North Catholic I didn’t complain. Knew why that school drew the great players. Pretty simple understanding of life that I learned growing up where I did. Seemed to escape you…

  64. mark d says:

    @Neutral the only other teams were Del Valley strong line and lot of skill kids little young with the skill kid but a lot of experience up front.West Scranton talking about a lot of speed but didn’t know what they had as far as a line.

  65. mark d says:

    @Rick d as far as Dunmore playing up who are they going play most of the 4 5 and 6 teams in the conference all ready have a small school on the schedule and their no advantage for them to play down so where does Dunmore find teams to play

  66. Neutral Observer says:

    @ mark d
    I agree with you that Valley View is going to be a team to watch in 4A for D2. North Pocono lost one heck of a senior class. Berwick lost a bunch too. We’ll find out a lot about Valley View in Week 2 when they host Delaware Valley. Any news from those coaches on any other D2 teams?

    @ J B Anthony
    I’m a week late from your 5/22 comment, but who is Scranton Prep returning from last year’s team? I thought they had/lost a massive senior class. They’ve had some great linemen recently; who is next man up?

  67. Buddy says:

    As much as I think Hines is pompous, afraid he’s right with the private schools ( especially Inter-ac).

    They should be considering the tuition costs.

    Of course some parents outside ” the world of Hines’ simply can’t afford those schools.

  68. Bob Hines says:

    Phillyboy, you’re totally wrong. You’re trying to say the education you can receive at Father Judge is equivalent to SJP or LaSalle? Not even close. Then, moreover, trying to pass off public education is greater to equal to those two private schools or the 6 in the Inter-Ac? Not a chance. Also Catholic high school students aren’t “transfers” because they don’t attend their local public high schools. With so many options nowadays parents try to choose what’s best for their kid, simple as that.

  69. mark d says:

    DON’t SHOOT THE MESSENGER ! Was at a fund raiser and a few coaches from the area Lackawanna conference, were saying the team to beat in at least AAAA is Valley View. They return their Qb and have the D2 100 meter champ at tail back pulse some real size up front.I know thay lost a lot of speed from last year but was told it all been replaced time will tell!

  70. WVW Fan says:

    @Dylan…Mikovitch D1? Zach Davies has led that team in tackles as a sophomore and junior. You may be confusing players.

  71. Buddy says:

    I’m really not sure that you can just pay tuition and go to another public school out of your district.

    I know quite a few years ago a girl in Methacton (sp) wasn’t allowed to go to NP, tuition or no. Might have changed.

    Why would a parent set up housing ( say an apt.) in another district, satisfying the residency rule, so his kid could go there? Wouldn’t the apt cost more then tuition?

  72. Dylan says:

    WVW with 3 LBs as running backs, they will have to use Tyson in the backfield to conserve energy

  73. Rick D says:

    @ Ray

    Do not worry about WVW scoring points. Their OC is the best in the area. They will score plenty of points.

    The Tyson (spelling?) kid is a returning 2-way starter. Plus 3 RBs are back that played mostly FB but will now carry the ball probably “by committee”. So they certainly did not lose all their skill kids.

    Defensively WVW has a chance to be very very good.

    They have to fix some focus & penalty problems on both sides of the ball…..no doubt about that.

    Just please don’t make any Parkland or Wood comments this season. Just let the kids play.

  74. McD 65 says:

    Kevin X, Catholic schools used to have Parish boundaries ,but they no longer do. My understanding for all Public schools in the state is that a student can attend any school they want ,but they would have to pay a tuition , so if that’s true, there is little difference from what the Catholic schools do. I also believe the student would have to provide their own transportation. If I’m off base I apologize and would like to know what the deal is.

  75. phillyboy says:

    Exactly Buddy. I totally understood what you meant in regards to transfers to the big time Catholic schools — even if a Catholic school doesn’t have a lot of transfers by the letter of the law (of which I’m dubious), without a doubt just about their entire roster is comprised of “transfers” based on the spirit of the law. How many kids from SJP do you think live, say, within a two mile radius of 18th and Girard? Even if they say it’s in order to receive a Catholic education (eye roll)* there are several big Catholic high schools around the city and suburbs: Bonner, O’hara, Carroll, Father Judge, Ryan, Roman, even Camden Catholic and St. Augustiine — for those Jersey boys.

    *IMO, in comparison with quality suburbs think the advantages of the elite private schools are overrated. The privates may give a little more personal attention which is nice but in richer areas the public schools bring it. Schools like Lower Merion, Conestoga, Radnor, Strath Haven, Sprigfield (Delco), Central Bucks (E,W, and S) could go toe to toe with any of those private Catholic schools that charge thousands of dollars in tuition.

  76. Dylan says:

    Ray, I think Sean Mikovitch will go D1 at linebacker, he’s good!

  77. Kevin X says:

    *recoup , sorry

    Guessing you are eluding to the Philadelphia Pub League part of D12??? Thinking the PCL is holding their own or even doing fairly well.

  78. Kevin X says:

    @ Ted E. “PIAA coup the money they lost allowing d12 in the playoffs” Huh??

    @ Buddy (or anyone in the know) don’t the diocesan catholic schools, including high schools, have parish boundaries?? Granted, they are larger then public school boundaries, but boundaries nonetheless. I get SJP, LaSalle, Malvern Prep, etc., the private and private catholic schools can have kids from anywhere if they want.

  79. Buddy says:

    Missed the point.

    Catholic schools have no district boundaries. Say if a kid lives in Souderton, but decides to go to Lansdale Catholic, no one calls that a transfer.

    But if it’s Souderton to NP, then it’s a transfer. Difference between boundaries & no boundaries.

  80. Ted E. says:

    I just can’t wait for the season to begin. It seems like the perennial public school powers need to bring in some transfers to make the playoffs a little more competitive. Rarely does a school have so many big offensive and defensive lineman to compete with Joe’s/PCC.
    I know this looks like complaining but I yearn for the days of D11-D-3 playing tough fun games. Winner met with D1 and usually went down. But the games were hyped and had big crowds. Now they needed to add classifications to help the PIAA recoup the money they lost allowing d12 in the playoffs.

  81. McD 65 says:

    District 1, That transfer from McDevitt may surprise some people. He had a very good sophomore year , but a terrible Junior year due to the QB couldn’t throw the ball very well. I wish him and NP the best this year until they play a PCL team. Beck is a great coach.

  82. TomF says:

    Buddy, most of the time when kids transfer from Public to Private:

    A-They are getting a better education at the Private Institution and

    B-They are saving the Pa taxpayers 16k per year

    With the astronomical property tax many of us are paying for the Public schools and teacher unions, they can all transfer to a private school for all I care.

  83. FridayNightLights says:

    Bob Hines

    Nobody is saying he is or will. He lives in the Lansdale area and played middle school ball in the NP district. One poster just pointed out that he thought it would be neat if he came back for his senior year, especially since NP is looking for a new QB. Obviously this is a pipe dream but we can dream right?

  84. Ray says:

    WVW loses skill players but they do have 6 starters returning on offence and 7 on defense,so that’s not too bad defence will be good scoring points I think will be the problem which that was never the case for valley West the past 5 years

  85. McD 65 says:

    Buddy,just be happy that NP did well with transfers and leave it at that. Your ridiculous statement about the PCL only dilutes your credibility. Yes they have transfers and recruit,but not near what you put out there for some reason. Tell me the players that have transferred this year in the PCL. McDevitt lost a receiver to NP, but for sure there aren’t players lined up to transfer tp them .I’m referring to District 12 McD.

  86. Bob Hines says:

    No, no they aren’t. Tell me the last time a Catholic League team brought in five players before the season?!?!? You’re telling me Judge, Carroll and Conwell-Egan get transfers?

  87. Greyhound for life says:

    Nice match up on September 28th (Thursday). River Dell (NJ) a historically strong public school travels to Shippensburg to play the Greyhounds at 6 pm.

  88. Ray says:

    WVW has Rob Dwyer at qb 6’3 is a senior but no experience,and at rb Sean Mickovitch played last year and Zack Davies and Quid Brady at fb all had a couple hundred yards last year but out skill guys are gone but all of our line and 7 starters on Defense return

  89. Buddy says:

    PCL recruits and lobbies for transfer all the time. Their entire team are transfers ( recruits)!

    Yet my head didn’t explode!

    If McCray’s parents have the $, sure he’ll stay at Prep! But for people with not so deep pockets, NP is not a bad choice.

  90. Bob Hines says:

    Why in his right mind would Marquez McCray leave the Prep for North Penn? What am I missing?

  91. Bob Hines says:

    Could you imagine if a Catholic League school had FIVE transfers coming in? Buddy’s head would explode. Team he roots for: oh boy, now we’ll be good!

  92. Dylan says:

    D2 guys who will take over Austin and Judges spot for Valley West? Big shoes to fill

  93. phillyboy says:

    Dude, I am totally stoked about North Penn ….are you kidding ME? Yeah, RIGHT! Somehow the gears are turning in a positive way and boy is it about time. I’m glad to see that these parents are savvy enough to do what’s necessary so that their kids play at the premier public program in SE Pa., they get it. All you have to do is rent an apartment there, live in an upper middle class area and pay NO tuition for a classic suburban high school experience, not a bad deal. Takes a little gumption but totally doable.

    If this becomes a new trend, that’s not only good for elite public programs but the PIAA as well. The playoffs become much more intriguing. That 6A eastern final last December at Northeast High was awesome, scintillating, sensational.

  94. District1 says:

    NP has 5 transfers enrolled in school already I am including Cartwright. They have 2 more that will enroll after the year ends that are significant I won’t reveal their names until it’s official.

  95. Tom F says:

    The North Penn recruiting machine is in full force! Tough to root for North Penn when their Athletic Director fought Ryan Vulakh’s transfer to Pope John Paul for wrestling.

  96. District1 says:

    @FridayNightLights They have a Kid from Norristown that can throw the ball that transferred over. I think Beck can turn him into at least 1/2 or 3/4 of Udinsky. But you will probably also see a package for Henley as a dual threat he can throw the rock too. He was a QB but was moved to receiver cause of Udinski and that worked out well for him. The kid from Mcdevit is not in their plans right now if ever. They have a kid that transferred in from Ryan that is pretty damn good to go along with an already great crop with Haynes, Henley and Thomas. The featured RB will be Jamil Kahn transfer from
    PW who put up great #s. Him in this offense along with the change of pace backs of Gorski and Cartwright the speed of this kid is ridiculous in the open field. My inside connects tell me the coaching staff think they will be a better team than they was last year and that’s scary.

  97. FridayNightLights says:


    Who will be throwing the ball? I agree that Cartwright, Gorski, and Andrews should give them a very nice run game. Also, Henley, Haynes, Thomas, and the transfer from McDevitt (no not Harrisburg) should give them a very nice receiving corps. I have maintained since the end of last season that if they can find a viable QB they will be a big threat again. Who are the other transfers or what positions do they play?

  98. Kevin X says:

    Maybe its time for a little tweaking of the LFC. Move West Scranton and North Pocono (the 2 largest AAAA schools) up to the LFC 1, move Dunmore and Lakeland (the two most consistently competitive AA schools) up to LFC 2. This also adds more balance with the number of teams in each division (LFC 1-6, LFC 2-6, and LFC 3-8). That would also enable LFC 3 teams to schedule 3 non conference games to start the season instead of one.

  99. Buddy says:


    So they got a good QB coming up?

    Hope so. They would be good then.

  100. McD 65 says:

    District 1, Could you let us know where the transfers at NP came from? That amount of transfers are more than Imhotep had a few years ago.

  101. jj D2 says:

    @Rick D

    Dunmore has to play its 9 divisional teams, they have no choice. They only have one game a year to play outside the division (league). they have been playing West Scranton for at least 50 yrs. They are big on this tradition.

  102. dan says:

    What about southern columbia’s quaterback?

  103. Rick D says:

    @ jj D2

    I understand how scheduling works. But why not choose to play up? It does Dunmore absolutely no good to play Holy Cross, Montrose, Carbondale, Susquehanna and Mid Valley every year. Even if they lose a couple games, its better for them.

    Look at Scr Prep. They are only AAA but they play in a AAAA league.

  104. Franklin says:

    I myself think Valley West will be good as well

  105. phillyboy says:

    District1 ….dude, I hope you’re right about North Penn, fills me with some excitement man. I knew about the Haynes kid that came over from the Inter-Ac school last year and I noticed that two of their better receivers are returning along with a power back that looked impressive. Other than that, look forward to what NP brings to the table, I’m optimistic. What time is it? ….Knight time, BABY!

  106. jj D2 says:


    Dunmore has to play its 9 conference members and that only leaves 1 game that could be scheduled. That team is West Scranton (AAAA).

  107. District1 says:

    @Buddy NP has 5 Big transfers this year. They are loaded this year. I can tell you the running game will be terrific and the passing game won’t be a big drop off. The defense will be much better than last year.

  108. J B Anthony says:

    Scranton Prep will be the pride of the Lack Conference AGAIN … dunmore had them scheduled for two years but didn’t score a point on them in two tries !
    They way the district plays out Prep will be D2 champ again ! And I think they will go deep in state playoffs
    Abington … lots lost to graduation
    Np …. lots lost to graduation
    VV … lots lost to graduation


  109. Rick D says:

    @Franklin @mark d

    I am more of a WVC guy but DV has huge numbers and a couple really good football players returning. Dunmore will continue to be consistent. I just wish they would choose to play a tougher regular season schedule. I think they could be better prepared to advance further by playing a tougher schedule.

    As far as the WVC goes….it is bad. The small school WVC football has become awful. Who knows (and who cares) what teams might win 6 or 7 games. They all stink for the most part.

    Big school WVC is a little better but not much. Everyone seems to think Valley West will have a down year because they lose Judge but they return 14 or 15 starters. I think WVW will be very good. Williamsport has Potts back who can dominate any game. Berwick loses a ton of seniors but have their QB back. Coughlin has 3 very good players returning to their backfield. This could be the year Hazleton wins some games based on what they have returning.

    Can anyone more familiar with the Lack League respond with info on AH, NP, SP, Scranton and West Scranton??

  110. sausmann9 says:

    @ mark d – Dunmore always tough but if people are saying this could be their best line ever and an athletic quarterback, damn they will be fun to watch. Love Dunmore Bucks football, epitome of PA football.

  111. mark d says:

    @Franklin D2 it been real quiet i think the only 2 team that have anything is Delaware Valley and of course Dunmore. People are quietly saying this could be the best line Dunmore ever had. of course they have top replace a lot of skill players. qb will probably win the states in the javelin throw (AA) so you have a kid with a strong arm

  112. D4 ball says:

    Very true Brian. Southern made leaps and bounds from where they started last year. And for people questioning southerns schedule they did play a very good mountousville team controlled that game and also played a very good selinsgrove team who was on a roll at that time. No matter who they played in the regular season they played pretty much lights out

  113. Kevin X says:

    @ Pastor Z

    Thanks for the info. Hard to believe a HS school and school district the size of C’Ville, and with their athletics history don’t have an AD.

    Looks like Bensalem would be the perfect fit for that 9/8-9 open date week. It appears that they still have an open date that week too. Saw that CRN and Pennwood decided to hook up that weekend. With C’Ville already having 5 away games, might be even harder trying to get a home game that weekend. Still hoping for an Imhotep/C’Ville match-up 🙂

  114. Brian says:

    Yes D-4 SCA was tied with Mt. Carmel at half last year. But you have to remember it was week 3 and the team was still pretty inexperienced with all the freshmen playing. Southern was also losing to Shamokin 14-13 at halftime in week 1 before taking over in the 2nd half. I think had both those games been played late regular season it wouldn’t have been close in the first half. But it’s high school football and anything can happen.

  115. D4 ball says:

    Mount Carmel returns a very good line but loses their TE. interested to see them play Southern again was tied at halftime last year before southern took over.

  116. PastorZack says:

    @Kevin X- No, Coatesville still has an open slot for week 2 since Council Rock North backed out. They have had numerous schools (Bensalem, Penn Wood, Glen Mills) say “No” to scheduling. Simon Gratz wanted to back out of their agreement this year as well. Heck, they even have all three open dates for next year. That most likely falls on the fact that they do not have an AD at the present time.

  117. 2016KTM says:

    @ Mike from Mount Carmel. What does MCA have returning this season. My understanding is that MCA have quite a few returning.

  118. McD 65 says:

    phillyboy, I followed Swift since his Freshman year and yes,he was a special player. Hope all goes well for him at Georgia. I was hoping for a PSU commitment ,but Oh well.

  119. McD 65 says:

    D 12 FAN, Thanks for the info on Wood and St Joe Prep. You appear to know about D 12 and its schools and players. Don’t be a stranger here.

  120. mike from Mount Carmel says:

    ktm, they faced a talented selinsgrove team in the regular. Plus Montoursville gave them a little trouble. Also the schuylkill haven game was sloppy on both sides. Tigers had alot of penalties.

  121. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, anybody know if Coatesville scheduled a game for the third week (guess officially that is week 2?), Sept. 8/9?

    Any idea when the District 12 schedules will be released/updated? I saw some PCL schedules on MaxPreps, but don’t know how accurate they are, I take some items from their website with a grain of salt.

    Wishful thinking I know, but would love to see Imhotep take a little ride out to western Chester County for Friday night tilt against C’Ville that open weekend.

  122. 2016KTM says:

    Correction below, meant to say Schuylkill haven in playoffs..

  123. 2016KTM says:

    In reference to D4 post below. Yes, SCA is loaded. No team will touch them in regular season. They will Mercy rule many of their regular season. SCA, great tradition , great coaching, probably the best in state. One thing though, their schedule is weak. There was only one team that gave them a good run and that was Schuylkill Haven. Yes, a Schuylkill league team. The other team was in playoffs. Dont remember the name. Last year season is long gone. Take away the costly turnovers, miscues by Schuylkill haven….upset.

  124. Franklin says:

    How do you think district 2 will turn out?

  125. phillyboy says:

    McD 65 ….that’s a good question, no idea who the feature back will be at Prep, but one thing I do know is that there will be a drop off. Are you kidding me, that Swift kid was arguably the best high school RB in the country last year. I watched his hudl highlights the other day for the first time; it was like 20 straight minutes of 50 yard TD runs. You never know how things will go but I’d be very surprised if we don’t see him in the NFL in a few years. If he gets into a good groove at Georgia could even see him vying for the Heisman. It’s going to be fun this fall on some Saturday afternoon coming back from the gym, grab a snack and watch my fellow Philly boy go to town.

  126. D12FAN says:


    Prep used so Marques Mason and Fr Kolbe Burrell, both should compete in 17 and can be exciting, plus will be interesting if so LB Talley plays O this year…Wood has a few in addition to Peoples (Va Tech) who will should see significant more touches from RB and Slot. Add so’s Blackstone and Pendleton both powerful runners with speed and similar styled Jr Bauer, plus others to compete….Both have a lot to replace but should back fill with solid guys, no voids. I see fewer 80 yard break away’s thru traffic like swift, blackshear, waller and thompson. Prep has options and Wood should have another 1-2 punch with serious depth….Also, both will have state championship experienced QB’s returning with very scary targets in Simmons (prep) Va Tech and Pitts (Wood), many offers including Bama, to start with….Should be another fun season, with both playing florida teams and North jersey powerhouses…

  127. D4 Fan says:

    @ mike from MC

    Nobody in District 4 can compete with them. And probably no team in the Eastern half of the state. Maybe in the State semis or finals they will meet up with someone that’ll give’em a game.

  128. mike from Mount Carmel says:

    what do we think of southern columbia this year anyone going to compete with them?

  129. McD 65 says:

    Can anyone provide information on who the Rbs will be for Archbishop Wood and St Joe Prep this year ? Those teo teams face a difficult beginning of the year schedules and they both lost very good RBs from last year. Thanks

  130. FridayNightLights says:


    Marquez McCray is from the Lansdale area and playes middle school ball for Penndale in the NP district. Based on what I have heard about the kid I would say it’s highly unlikely he transfers back. Would be amazing if he did though.

  131. phillyboy says:

    Yeah I think North Penn would have won the state title last year had they gotten by Saint Joe’s Prep. Pittsburgh Central Catholic was a powerful team despite their big loss to Prep. Best case scenario see them winning by 17 points if their offense was clicking. Oh well. Btw, speakiing of QBs overheard some folks at the North Penn/Prep game last year saying that Prep’s QB was or is from the North Penn catchment. If that’s true would be awesome if he transferred back to the home team for his senior year. That’s scenario is not unprecedented; a LaSalle kid a couple years ago transferred back to his home team, Upper Dublin.

  132. FridayNightLights says:


    That would be a heckuva rematch. I also think there is a pretty good possibility of it too! Like I said, NP looks strong but needs to get that small little issue of a QB locked down. If they can do that they should be in good shape. Coatesville will scare a lot of people this year…very good team.

  133. Buddy says:

    @ Pastor

    I’m saying C’ville will be the D1 favorite. Absolutely loaded. Only a team like LAST years NP could beat them. Don’t think NP has the team this year to match C’ville. Of course………I hope I’m wrong.

    @ Friday

    Agree, that was the best team since “03. Even though the ’11 team went to states.

  134. PastorZack says:

    @Buddy– D1 playoffs will be interesting if North Penn has to travel to Coatesville for a rematch this year. If Coatesville beats Cumberland Valley in Mechanicsburg and Downingtown West in Downingtown, we may have ourselves a game with D1 on the line. So far, teams have been reluctant to schedule the Red Raiders for their open date. They have had multiple schools say “No, Thank you” for a game.

  135. FridayNightLights says:


    That was a really fun team last year. Only St Joe’s could beat them. I would go so far as to say they might have been the best NP team I have seen since ’03. Was a great game in the East final last year. If they could find some semblance of a QB this year I expect them to be better than expected again. This is knowing some of the underclassmen in the program.

  136. sausmann9 says:

    @Yotch – don’t count out Liberty. they bring back Ernie and a bunch of young talent, if they don’t lose anyone to Becahi or Freedom over the summer they will be good.

  137. Buddy says:


    Yes, it was the backup junior I was thinking about.

    Other then that, I got nothing.

    That was a really good team last year. The only team in the state that could have beat them……………..did.

  138. Yotch says:

    It appears that Emmaus & Parkland are the two best D11 AAAAAA teams next year. Emmaus returns pretty much their entire O outside of QB. They return a lot of their D too. Kicker was good and he’s gone too.
    Parkland returns key cogs and has a good feeder program with a large enrollment. It’ll be very interesting this year.

  139. FridayNightLights says:


    They did have a Junior QB who was their backup but I believe there were two other kids, a sophomore and a freshman that were looking to potentially in the mix. I swear I also saw or heard somewhere that a QB from Norristown has been working out and playing 7v7 with the NP kids but I know nothing about him. You can’t just replace a Udinski unfortunately.

  140. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    I heard they have a kid, soph I believe, that was in the ranks last year. Can’t recall his name.
    Nothing like Udinski though. I’ll see if I can catch his name sometime.

  141. FridayNightLights says:

    Does anybody have any intel on who North Penn’s starting QB is expected to be this year? I am a NP fan but haven’t heard too much other than potentially someone who played at Norristown last year. They have a very talented roster and similar to last year will return a lot more than people think.

  142. Tyler says:

    Class of 2018 receiver Jason Najunas out of Shenandoah Valley reportedly garnering interest from multiple D2 schools.

  143. dave says:

    Mr. Green its funny as soon as Soco put their starters back in, south managed to put 11 completely new players on the field so i pretty sure you had enough players. They were just trying to make a complete blow out look closer than it really was

  144. Mike says:

    @ Larry The Redskins will start senior Mike Creszenzo at RB and it looks like sophomore Brody McAndrews will start at QB. I don’t think Abington has enough to finish at the top and it doesn’t look like Pennsbury has enough on their roster to compete. I think Bensalem could be competitive and finish towards the top.

  145. agreen says:

    I agree. SCA has a great coaching staff

  146. TomF says:

    I will say this about SCA, watched them play Berks Catholic 2 years ago and I only saw 2 other teams that were on par with their coaching staff-Cb West under Mike Pettine and Berwick under George Curry. I can see why they won all of those State Championships and why families move to that SD to play football for Roth.

  147. agreen says:

    As far as leaving starters in too long in a district championship game, I’m thinking roster size would have a lot to do with that. If i had to guess towards the end of a season most small schools have little to no position depth unless you sub in kids that aren’t ready for the varsity level.

  148. agreen says:

    SCA4ever, I’m not taking jabs at SCA in particular especially about recruiting but explain to me why those rumors have been flying around for years and why are SCA fans so sensitive about that? If it’s not true then dont worry about the “haters”.

  149. Kmac says:

    Mike Smoll

    Thank you, Mike. I forgot the Hatters were coming back somewhat under NP alum Kapusta and staff. Chung, also NP alum at P-W has also always been near the top. Stover approaching legend status at UD, and Banas doing a fine job at Q-town. I rarely get to see any of them.

  150. Route54 says:


  151. Mike Smoll says:

    Kmac, well I was looking forward to it, but…. I kept no notes from last year and couldn’t begin to do it either. From what I know/heard, I’ve got to believe PW will be the favorite, HH, Upper Dublin and Quakertown to follow in no particular order. Both Upper Dublin and Quakertown’s JV teams were very good last year, but it’s a big jump from JV to Varsity.

  152. Billy Splain says:

    not til mid July

  153. Route54 says:

    Speaking of only 3 months away, when are the team previews starting.

  154. Dave says:

    What’s WVW(2) got going for them this year?

  155. SCA4Ever says:

    Aaron Green. If you were merely stating that South and their coach are doing a great job then why the jab at SCA regarding Vo Tech and recruiting? You knew exactly what you were doing. Thank you for the locker room material. SCA hopes they play South next year. South ruffled some feathers by keeping starters in against second group during D4 game. Two late scores made the game look close.

  156. Kmac says:

    Michael Smoll

    I do not feel I am familiar enough with the SOL American to give a proper “way too early”. My local newspaper does not cover that conference, and I see few games with teams in that conference. For instance, while I have seen pennsbury 207 times; Neshaminy 159; Council Rock (North) 139; I have seen Cheltenham, Wissahickon, Upper Dublin twice each, and Upper Moreland, but once; in 1953. Just from a distance it looks like the Quakertown-PW-Upper Dublin trio holds the conference strength.

  157. Michael Smoll says:

    Looking forward to the SOL American “Way too Early”, Just knowing the conference as I do, it could be a real interesting year, Upper Dublin, lost a ton, Quakertown lost a lot.

  158. D3fan says:

    What’s coming out of District 3 this year? I’m hearing that Fairfield have a decent squad returning with plenty of returning players. Any truth to this.

  159. Michael Smoll says:

    Hey Kmac, loved the first two articles of “Way too early” is the American Conference coming soon?

  160. Kmac says:

    Mike Smoll

    Thank you for your interest and comment regarding my way too early thinking on Sub One Continental. You may certainly be right-on with the Rams; Tarburton may well be conference MVP and that means a lot. The clock is ever ticking, soon Dave will be in his 100 players in 100 days; and before the summer heat dissapates we will have high school football again!

  161. aaron green says:

    First of all I never mentioned SCA so obviously there must be others that have come to your assumptions. Not to mention why would I think they should be AAA? I don’t hate anyone and am not trying to start something. Seems like some of you are a little sensitive. My comments were about giving credit to South Williamsport and their coaching staff.

  162. Fupesheks says:

    ????? ????????? naizmene.cc

  163. SCA4Ever says:

    Aaron Green come on. Are u serious? Do some homework. SCA has 153 boys. SW has 157. The cutoff for AA/AAA is 200 boys. Do u really believe SCA sends 47 boys to Vo-Tech? Ridiculous theory. Next, recruiting. SCA has played in 15 state title games. Who in their right mind would not want to have their son play for that football team. No need to recruit.

  164. Brian says:

    Lol. Love the idiotic little jab at sca with the hiding numbers at vo-tech and recruiting comment. Again another hater. There’s no hiding students at vo-tech. Any student who goes there plays sports there because vo-tech had their own sports program. The other silly thing is sca is AA and the amount of students attending vo-tech wouldn’t make them AAA. Kids do move in but it’s not recruiting. For most it’s relocating because they live in shamokin or mt.carmel and those areas are declining. For the others it’s called they want to go to a winning program that is successful year in and year out. its not recruiting it’s called parents relocating so their child has a better experience. All schools have that happen. It’s just people complain about southern because they’re so good every year.

  165. D4 Fan says:

    South Williamsport is a solid team and they appear to do a lot with a small roster. But D4 AA belongs to Southern Columbia and everyone else is fighting to be the sacrificial lamb in the D4 title game.

    And it should be a good battle for second as Mt. Carmel returns everyone, Central Columbia returns a lot and might have the best young QB in the district, Bloomsburg made great strides last year and the Northern Tier entries, Wellsboro and North Penn have improved significantly over the past few years. Wish it were August!

  166. billtown says:

    Aaron You are correct. Coach Eiswerth has done a great job. Did you know he commutes over 100 miles every day plus coaches? Unbelievable. Unfortunately they are in the same district and class as Southern and I just don t see them ever getting over that very large hump. I hear SCA is loaded again this year so I hope I am wrong but history tells me when SCA is not crying about lost stars they usually dominate. Should be a good game though!

  167. aaron green says:

    I am biased in my opinion but anyone who lists top five 2A schools in the East and doesn’t include South Williamsport needs to realize what head coach Chris Eiswerth has built there. One of the smallest 2A schools in the state and it doesn’t have the luxury of hiding numbers in a Vo-tech school and can’t recruit. Seems like every year under Eiswerth they have a shot at making a run.

  168. billtown says:

    D4 fan if number 1 is back you are correct he is a wrecking ball.

  169. Tom F says:

    Albie Crosby could be returning to Coaching, an article in Sunday’s Philly Inquirer stated that he is a finalist for the Neumann Goretti job. That should be a no brainer for NG. Albie will turn NG into a power in a very short time.

  170. Coalrgnftballfan says:

    Southern Columbia’s freshman receiver Julian Fleming has received an offer from Michigan. Invited for a visit to PSU. Rumor is West Virginia and Pitt will be making offers in the near future. He also averaged approx. 17 ppg this season in basketball.

  171. PastorZack says:

    2017 Projected Ches-Mont standings

    National Division

    Coatesville 7-0
    Downingtown East 6-1
    WC Henderson 5-2
    Downingtown West 5-2
    Bishop Shanahan 4-3
    WC East 2-5
    Avon Grove 1-6

    American Division

    Unionville 5-1
    Great Valley 4-2
    WC Rustin 3-3
    Sun Valley 2-4
    Oxford 1-5
    Kennett 0-6

  172. Kmac says:


    My “possible” 2017 standings for the Suburban One National and Continental Conferences.

    National – 1. Neshaminy 2. Abington 3. Council Rock South 4. Bensalem 5. Truman 6. Pennsbury 7. Council Rock North

    Continental – 1. North Penn 2. CB East 3. CB West 4. Pennridge 5. CB South 6. Tennent 7. Souderton

    For the logic for the choices see my articles on each conference under Extras – Archives – Kmac

  173. Kmac says:


    For Kmac’s take on both Suburban One National and Continental see my “Way Too Early” articles – click on “extras’ top right, then “archives” and Kmac. They are my last two articles written.

  174. Dave says:

    Lance, of the 2, I believe Montoursville takes the bigger graduation hit, losing 4 all-staters and a few other quality players. They do however, return almost all of their linemen and some other good players. It will be interesting to see how the new kids step up to the challenge.

  175. Larry says:

    6A Suburban One predictions? Redskins receiving core looks stacked, but who will be the starting QB and RB for the Redskins? Does Abington have a chance at finishing at the top? Does Pennsbury improve enough to compete this year?

  176. D4 Fan says:

    Danville will be the class of D4 AAA. They return just about everyone from the team that smoked Loyalsock and came up short against Montoursville in last year’s D4 playoffs.

  177. Lance says:

    Interested to see how Good Loyalsock and Montoursville can be this season coming up in District 4-AAA. Both look to have a Nice Group of Players returning.

  178. Gregory Wacik says:

    The newly formed FASST Lehigh Valley Elite 7 on 7 team made some noise this weekend in the Maryland Team Flex tournament. In their first ever tournament they nearly defeated the number one seed in the preliminary seeding round. Time expired with them driving at the 5 yard line down by a TD. Seeded 18 out of 40 for the tournament bracket, they followed up by defeating the number 2 seed team and made it to the quarter finals before losing. Turned some heads in the region and 7 on 7 circuit. The team has players from Bethlehem Catholic, Northampton, Easton, Stroudsburg, Phillipsburg and I believe some others. Some talented players in the EPC. They compete in the Spooky Nook competition next week.

  179. sausmann9 says:

    Big 33 game moved from Hershey and now being played June 17 at Central Dauphin MS.

  180. Neutral Observer says:

    There is an interesting conversation going on on the WesternPAFootball forum about new transfer rules that are being discussed.


    Billy Splain says:
    March 22nd, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    It’s actually a proposal being worked on right now. Instead of defining a transfer by school district, the transfer will be defined by the school building itself. So, if a player from Abraham Lincoln wanted to transfer to Overbrook, he would face the same scrutiny as a player from Abington school district transferring to North Penn school district. Or to use a recent case, a player from Bishop McDevitt who transfers to Harrisburg (both in Harrisburg). It’s designed to protect charters, catholic and public schools by encompassing all players and making it more difficult to just transfer. Right now, transfer rules only apply to changing school districts, which in the case of Philadelphia, there are many high schools in one district.

  181. billtown says:

    Neutral observer.
    I wish I had the answer for this. Football officiating is not a money maker. With the equipment costs, meeting time commitment and limited number of games nobody is getting rich believe me.I saw a big drop off when the replacement refs got blasted 10 or so years ago and I truly believe kids today with all of the negative media attention the refs got and still get kids today just say I want no parts of that!!I don t have answers but requiring coaches to ref would be a good start.

  182. Michael Smoll says:

    Donald Young, former football and Basketball coach at Quakertown HS for approx. 30 years has recently died. You’ll be missed coach

  183. Neutral Observer says:

    @ billtown
    RE: need for younger officials

    I know and work with plenty of “Millennials” who are former players and would LOVE to be involved in either coaching or officating. The lack of participation is not from lack of interest.

    Unfortunately, many of these guys aren’t at a point in their careers where they can regularly take off Monday afternoons to officate freshman and JV games. Either they are piecing together 2 or 3 part-time jobs to earn a living wage, or they just have not built up enough good will at work to get that kind of flexibility.

    Friday nights or Saturday afternoons would be MUCH better schedule-wise for these guys, but then you’re throwing rookie refs out to the wolves. Not to mention the COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED resentment from the experienced refs who have paid their dues and EARNED the varsity games.

    I don’t know what the solution is. Moving JV/freshman games to Saturdays?

  184. Brian says:

    Numbers are not the problem at North Schuylkill and NS has a fantastic feeder program with two
    midget football programs that consistently win and provide NS with young talent. I firmly believe that the current coaching staff is not capable of taking NS back to being a dominant team and until parents and fans voice their displeasure with the direction of the football program NS will continue to be an average football program.

  185. billtown says:

    Bobby D I agree 100%.I cannot believe the decline in numbers in the coal region. Maybe the Trump coal revival will revive these great programs!!!

  186. Bobby d says:

    @ Route 54, if you think NS is down, how many times has North Schuylkill beaten Mount Carmel soundly in the last four years? MC has been 6 & 5 the last two years in a row. That’s with 28 players in 2015 and 30 in 2016 and that’s with players from the co-op with Lourdes, with 2017 not looking any brighter. So NS isn’t the only regional school with problems, Shamokin is in the same boat too recently, besides Mount Carmel. It’s no wonder these MC fans aren’t trying to throw the couch under the school bus already. He better do something before they put his head on the proverbial chopping block. He just can’t seem to win the big games, such as NS & SCA. I say give him a chance but time and patience are running out.

  187. billtown says:

    Guys we need referees statewide. Period!!Please consider getting involved or encouraging younger former players to get involved. I coached first then became a referee. In 1 year I realized that if I had been a ref first I would have been 1000% better coach. I am not kidding. In my opinion anyone who would even be considered for a coaching position in the future should have to referee on some level of the sport first. I cannot believe this idea has not been pushed by the PIAA.
    I hope everyone is healthy and happy and I look forward to seeing you all in the fall!!

  188. Brian says:

    Sorry Route 54 but not buying graduation as the reason that North Schuylkill has become an average football program. This was once a dominant program that would consider 2 loses a bad season and now losing 4 games a year is acceptable. The fan base has become complaisant
    and satisfied with being average. That is just one fans opinion.

  189. Route 54 says:

    @Brian. You have to take into consideration the amount of players and talent the lost last year. They won games they should have lost and lost games they should have won. Sometimes the better team dose not always win. North Schuylkill was not the only team in league that had an odd season. Example, North Schuylkill lost to Marian in week 2. North Schuylkill beat JT but Marian lost to JT. There are some decent teams in the Schuylkill league. It’s a tough league. Quite a few unexplained losses and wins for all teams in league.

  190. Brian says:

    Will North Schuylkill ever return to being a powerhouse football program under the current coaching staff? How did this once dominant program become average at best and why is their fan base tolerating the demise of the football program. Just curious.

  191. Tom F says:

    I believe if Pa gets a new Governor next term, we could see the start of Mass consolidations of school districts. Unfunded Pension Liabilities are now over 56 Billion! Thanks to teachers unions, Pensions and the dreaded property tax, The Pa Public school system cost is just destroying Pa. Our population continues to grow older and decline at the same time. 501 school districts! Trim that to 350 and save billions.

  192. Neutral Observer says:

    @ chs1996
    Thanks for the correction as to the current plans. I’m going to miss the rivalries, but I think all 3 W-B schools will eventually be merged.

    @ PastorZack
    I think the Single A schools will be the first to disappear. There are just too many expenses and administrative hoops to jump through to run an entire school for 200 students (without even considering athletics).

  193. Kmac says:


    I left a comment to your post on my “Our Sport is in Trouble” article. Thank you.

  194. chs1996 says:

    The WB Area School District is planning to merge Meyers and Coughlin. GAR isn’t isn’t involved in the current consolidation plan.

  195. PastorZack says:

    @Neutral, for public schools to compete with charter/privates in PIAA they have to consolidate just to have a pool of athletes to compete with other schools. In some cases and sports, it is difficult to support a program. Public schools are forced into only participating in certain sports all the while having to stay Title IX compliant. It is a difficult road for AD’s in public education, especially when you don’t have paid full-time staffs for sports and teaching.

  196. Neutral Observer says:

    I’m seeing a lot of discussion on the Western PA Football forum about the merging of several Erie public schools into a “super school”.

    Unfortunately, I think this is the future of high schools in PA; it’s more cost efficient to have a few larger schools than many small schools.

    I know the EVENTUAL plan in Wilkes-Barre (D2) is to merge Coughlin (4A) and GAR (3A), but I haven’t heard about any other schools merging in any other districts.

    Anyone hear any other rumblings about mergers?

  197. TomF says:

    I would put the manheim/Pine Richland either #2 or 3 behind the ECP/CB West games. Just an amazing game to watch, 2 teams that just executed in the clutch perfectly. A game where you just hated to see 1 team lose

  198. eastpafanboy says:

    2A Predictions

    1.) Southern Columbia
    2.) Camp Hill
    3.) South Williamsport
    4.) Schukylkill Haven
    5.) West Catholic

    SCA-returns a ton of talent with all state selections on both sides of the ball.with the whole offense line returning and a great coaching staff, tough to pick against them.

    Camp Hill- like everyone says 5* tight end with a solid group around him could make a nice run

    South- returns running back and always has a good running game i see them losing to SCA in districts again.

    Haven- good coaching and solid young talent could make a deep playoff push.

    West Catholic- fast team with a lot of ball skills but can’t play [physical football

  199. sausmann9 says:

    @ Phillyboy – yes, no, yes. I have some of the older PA state title games but not all. I lost a few to a Middle GA flood in 94′ to water damage that were still on vcr tapes but I do have some and now all PA games are on dvd. I think there’s somewhere around 300 PA games to check out. Send me an email to sausmann9@hotmail.com and I will reply with a games list for you to check out. If you see games you like, let me know and I’ll get with you on those games. My email explains everything regarding no charges, mailing, extra games, extra dvds, etc…

  200. mark d says:

    @skook Not sure what you’re hearing about Lakeland.I am being told that Dunmore might have one of the strongest lines they ever had and that’s saying a lot ! All 5 starters back from last year and living in the weight room

  201. Skookfootball says:

    2a top 5

    1. Schuylkill Haven
    2. Southern Columbia
    3. Camp Hill
    4. West catholic
    5. Lakeland

    SH- great returning running back (only gonna be a sophomore) may be the year the rushing record held by zach Barket may be broken, Returns Oline/Dline except 1. Loses 4 standout athletes.
    SC- loses stud running back and dback, returns a good amount of young players, SH and SC will battle it again in state playoffs, winner will go to state ship
    Camp- 5 star tight end 6’7 will be a big threat, returns a good amount.
    West- great athletes but can’t hang with anthracite smash mouth football.
    Lakeland- will be a sleeper this year.

  202. Mike Keeney says:

    Wilson West Lawn versus Upper St Clair 12 to 7. Kerry Collins QB. Great game down to the wire. USC won but had to hold off Collins at end.

  203. phillyboy says:

    Yo sausmann9, dude, do you have videos of past state title games. I bought several of the DVDs from PCN, problem is they only go back to 1998. I would love to check out the 1991 CB West/ECP final, the ’93 final with CB West vs. LeVar Arrington’s team that was ranked #1 in nation, I believe, where West lost by a point in the snow. And the ’97 West/Upper Saint Clair game which featured Armstrong. Even the ’96 Downingtown and ’92 CV (with former Eagles FB) would be intriguing to see. Have never seen any of those games.

  204. McD 65 says:

    sausman, I would add st Joe Prep/ Pine Richland

  205. sausmann9 says:

    Alright, how about something a bit different than looking into the 2017 season’s future and take a stroll through the past. Top 10 PA state title games since it started;

    1. 1999 CB West v Erie Prep

    2. 2000 CB West v Erie Prep

    3. 2002 Parkland v Woodland Hills

    4. 2006 Wilson Area v Jeannette

    5. 2003 Northern Lehigh v Aliquippa

    6. 2008 Wilmington Area v West Catholic

    7. 2010 Allentown CC v Bishop McDevitt

    8. 2003 Manheim Central v Pine Richland

    9. 1991 CB West v Erie Prep

    10. 2000 Strath Haven v West Allegheny

    what you all think and what would you all add/change???


  206. FootballloverAFL says:

    1. Southern Columbia
    2.Schuylkill Haven
    3. Camp Hill
    4. Dunmore
    5. West Catholic
    Haven returns Oline, loses 4 studs, but has a great runningback returning.

    SC- returns almost every player should go to Hershey.

    Camp Hill- 5* recruit 17 starters return

  207. TomF says:

    The 2 CB West/Erie Cathedral Prep battles were 2 of the all time great games in PIAA History. The talent on the field in those 2 games was incredible! CB West pulled out game 1 with a punt block in the last minute, ECP came back the next year to take round 2 in a back and forth slugfest.

  208. sausmann9 says:

    Prayers and condolences to the Pettine and Bucks family for sure!!! Huge loss for all but thank God we had someone like Mike Pettine Sr come through PA football. We are all better and more knowledgable for it.

    For anyone interested, I will do a four-pack of Pettine’s best games to include the ESPN special for anyone that has never seen his teams in action. get in touch; sausmann9@hotmail.com

  209. Neutral Observer says:

    Nick Lincoln is Imhotep Charter’s new head coach.


  210. phillyboy says:

    I moved to Philadelphia in 1995 when CB West and Coach Pettine were still going strong. As a young adult I wasn’t so into high school ball at that time, but I still paid some attention to what was happening. Having a much better perspective now, if I could go back, I would have been at all of those big games. That was an awesome run. In fact I would rank Mike Pettine’s last CB West game (where they 3-peated on a blocked punt in the closing minutes) as the second best Philadelphia sports moment of all time, second only the the Flyers victory over the Soviet Red Army team. Still have the memories though.

  211. Kmac says:

    So very sorry to hear of the death of Mike Pettine Senior at his Florida home this morning. Deepest sympathy to the family and a great loss to the history of high school football.

  212. PastorZack says:

    What kind of carousel do you think starts with the Imhotep job? With the number of head coaching jobs open, I assume these programs may have a more difficult time getting their programs running. Where have the “program builders” gone? Or are school districts running away good coaches too fast?

  213. Neutral Observer says:

    Mark Schmidt has stepped down as Imhotep Charter’s head football coach.


  214. David Mika says:

    sausmann9….I agree with you on this. It is surprising.

  215. sausmann9 says:

    Not like this will change anything but Easton Area High School just announced their new coach.


    Now what I don’t get is the fact that Easton “shoved out” Coach Shiffert for a few different reasons but then they hire a guy that was on the staff for 24 years and is cut from the same cloth. Not sure on this one for Easton but I highly doubt we see any difference in the Red Rovers – yes that means sweep right, sweep left, quarterback sneak, 2 kids to D2 colleges, and a Turkey Day game.

  216. JoePA says:

    Hey Phillyboy stop the nonsense about recruiting. It may occur in your area but just don’t promote it.

  217. phillyboy says:

    Hopefully Pine-Richland can pick up some key transfers too. To any Pittsburgh area parents of talented high school football players: you should seriously consider moving into the catchment of P-R so your kid can play for a highly regarded program. Your child will be seen by many big time college scouts and have a great chance to be part of a state champion as well.

  218. Pcc64 says:

    Pasted Zack, I believe Pine Richland will be a top team this year.

  219. Buddy says:

    @Pastor Zack

    Avery & Aaron aren’t seniors correct?

  220. PastorZack says:

    Dave, as of right now, the answer is no. There are others looking though. I’m sure since their brother is at ODU, they will be one to offer soon.

  221. JeffM says:

    Class 2A

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Camp Hill
    3. Dunmore
    4. Lakeland
    5. South Williamsport

    *Camp Hill returning 17 starters. Barely missed District 3 playoffs. Lost to 3A state runner up, 5A Palmyra, and 4A Milton Hershey*

  222. David Mika says:

    PastorZack, I added Avery and Aaron to my list. Do they have any other offers?

  223. PastorZack says:

    Dave, Coatesville’s Avery Young (2018) and Aaron Young (2019) picked up offers from Rutgers and Army over the last couple of days.

  224. TomF says:

    Class 4A
    1)Erie Cathedral Prep
    3)Bethlehem Catholic
    4)Thomas Jefferson
    5)Berks Catholic

  225. Ngab6 says:

    Dave, I’ll give 2A a try:

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Dunmore
    3. South Williamsport
    4. Lakeland
    5. York Catholic

  226. PastorZack says:

    @Dave, I’ll put a best guess in for 6A

    1. Wilson West Lawn
    2. Cumberland Valley
    3. St. Joseph’s Prep
    4. Coatesville
    5. Pittsburg Central Catholic

    This sets up for a BIG game in Week 1/2 for CV and Coatesville in Mechanicsburg.

  227. Route 54 says:

    Dave,I will take a crack at top 5 eastern for Single A. I would have to look at who returns the most talent. Anyway, these are my picks. I will hold off on AA for the time being.
    1. Williams Valley
    2. Marian
    3. Tri-Valley
    4. Lakawana Trail
    5. Halifax

  228. David Mika says:

    I know its early. Pick a class and post your top 5 teams in each class.

    Class 6A

    Class 5A

    Class 4A

    Class 3A

    Class 2A

    Class 1A

  229. phillyboy says:

    Brian, very good point about football being an Olympic event — if they only allowed 8 teams in the tournament it could be done; play the quarterfinals right away, the semifinals in the middle weekend, and the final on the last weekend. Like you indicated, it would be challenging because of the need to rest several days between games so obviously they couldn’t have round robin games like the do in basketball the first week. They would have to dive right into the tournament – and qualifying tournaments beforehand would determine that.

  230. Mike A says:

    @PastorZack He had hurt the shoulder against Chambersburg on 9/23 and without him they would have lost to CD the next week as he had punt and KO returns for TD’s in CV’s 25-24 win. He was the lone D1 player on the CV team. Quigley was also very good in HS but not in the same class (he’s going to Ship). He re-injured the shoulder within first several plays of the second half in the D3 playoff game against Wilson after CV had taken a 14-0 halftime lead. He already had one interception in the first half of that game. He played the third and into the fourth quarter basically with one arm as he could’t use the other at all. He was finally removed from the game early in the fourth quarter after Wilson took the lead as the third quarter ended. His loss allowed Wilson to crowd the line of scrimmage and stop CV’s running game. Without Katshir as the go to receiver and defense specialist it seemed that the whole teams morale collapsed and Wilson went on to win the game. Here’s a short clip from the Wilson game. Let it run for more highlights. https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4050828/583ca768c124d8185c288aa6

  231. Brian says:

    football can’t be an olympic event because olympics last only 2 weeks and you can only play 1 game a week in football because of the physical demands.

  232. billtown says:

    Sausmann9. Good ideas except I don t quite understand the vet ref one. Unfortunately the lack of bodies in a lot of areas including ours eliminates the 5 and 10 rule you described. I take no sub varsity games as I don t need the money and I am 60 and cannot do 2 games at the jr. high level. I did 6 JV games last year as we did not have enough refs to cover the games. Several junior high games were done with 4 which is tough especially with our older chapter. Bottom line we are approaching critical mass and the game will suffer if we don t replenish the herd!

  233. PastorZack says:

    @ Mike A I read somewhere, maybe from here, that Katshir had offseason shoulder surgery due to an injury sustained during the season. It noted that he would be back for summer workouts. Don’t know how this will affect his season though. I know that he and Quigley were tough to contain for Coatesville early last season.

  234. phillyboy says:

    Yo, did anybody catch that US vs Canada u-19 North American championship last Saturday? Not a lot has been said about it. At this point it’s pretty obscure but very interesting. It’s a junior national team championship for American football. The US team won 33-11, D’Andre Swift won the MVP, believe there was another player from western PA on the team as well. Would have loved to see the game, don’t have cable TV, but was hoping somebody might have uploaded it to youtube. Not yet anyway. But yeah, pretty compelling, could you imagine if some day American football became an Olympic event and they created a senior national team, talk about a Dream Team, goodness.

  235. Mike A says:

    Cumberland Valley’s Katshir verbally commits to Penn State

    Penn State lands Class of 2018 commitment No. 8 as Charlie Katshir picks the Lions

  236. sausmann9 says:

    @ Billtown – Dark Knight said it best, I hear the same gripe around the EPC in D11. A younger/newer ref mentioned something along those lines last season. PIAA needs to implement a rule that no veteran ref (over 10 years) can do any JV games and no veteran ref (over 5 years) can do any freshman games or something like that. Another rule could be that every varsity game needs a mandatory new ref on the field w/ the vet refs. I agree though, that issue will cause people to stay out of the profession.

  237. billtown says:

    Dark Knight we had the same problem and still have guys doing it strictly for the paycheck but they are retiring at a fast clip due to age and physical problems thus we have a huge void on the horizon. I know D2 very well and the assignor for varsity is getting much better in using younger and diversified officials in the last 2-3 years so I think the whole old boys network is finally winding down as the old boys are finally leaving and opportunity is looking much better for no other reason than attrition. Keep on plugging if you are good you will get all of the games you can handle.

  238. Dark Knight says:


    The problem we have in my area (D2) is that all the veteran guys take every game possible, and they younger guys get no work and get discouraged and leave. We have veteran guys working varsity Friday night, freshman sat morn, varsity sat afternoon or evening, minis sun, jv Monday, 7-8 tues. And it’s more than one. Very hard for a new guy to get a chance. How do you fix this??? Only way younger guys are going to develop is experience at the lower levels, and they can’t because a lot of guys are in it for the $$$$$ only.

  239. PastorZack says:

    How’s everyone’s 7 on 7 circuit going? With the clamp down of hitting and the pervasiveness of spread concepts and formations, this time of year is vital for offenses and defenses alike to study hard and react quickly.

  240. billtown says:

    Fellow forum followers I have a favor to ask.
    We need new blood in the football official chapters throughout the state. My chapter in Dist. 4 has 35 members with our average age around 60.In the last 5 years we have lost 10 and gained 3.You do the math. In the next 5 years if we don t see a drastic uptick in new officials we won t be able to fully staff games. By fully staffed I mean 6 man in varsity and 5 man JV jr. high. With the increase in size speed and passing in High school 6 man is a must in most varsity games today if you want sufficient coverage. If these numbers keep going we will see 4 and 5 at most varsity games which will diminish quality and lead to a lot of things we have worked very hard to improve. The most glaring being increased injuries to players.
    We need to keep this great game moving in the right direction and not having enough refs will definitely hurt the continued progress of this game we love.
    If you know anyone who played, coached or just loves football mention this fact to them. The younger the better but we will take anyone who is dedicated and capable including women. For recent grads who will never play again it is a way to stay in the game. All you need to do is get on the PIAA website and schedule a test. I hope everyone is well and I look forward to reading your great discussions this year!!

  241. Buddy says:

    @McD 65

    OK. I’m behind the times, as usual:)

    Yea, I did hear he is one of the best coaches in the entire area. CB West product I do believe.

  242. Mill says:

    Shiffert deserved a better exit than what happened. It’s sad that some people are all about the stats these days. Keith Groller wrote a great article about what happened.


  243. McD 65 says:

    Buddy, Mike Carey has not been at Wood for a few years now. He left to concentrate on his business. I spoke with one of his brothers recently and he said Mike is unsure about returning to coaching this year. He is frankly the best line coach around.

  244. rovers64 says:

    It’s been a long time since I’ve been on here. In response to the Easton change, I agree some changes were necessary to the program but the way this was handled is disgraceful.

    As far as the program goes, losing Shiffert is tough but losing the assistants will have much more of an effect. Easton had, hands down, the best DC in the area and probably best line coach too.

  245. sausmann9 says:


    Shiffert out at Easton. Not surprised one bit, heard this at the start of the season. Easton starting to get stale, new blood, new offense, new energy!!! Easton will dominate once again. Now who to fill his spot???

  246. roverred says:

    on shiffert sad day in easton

  247. Buddy says:

    Why would Carey leave Wood ( I’m assuming he’s still there)? I’m sure he gets carried around in a gilded chair by now.

    Speaking of Coatesville, that’s the team in D1 next year! Talk about speed!

    Not sure if they can beat the recruiters, but we’ll see.

  248. PastorZack says:

    From watching Easton in their scrimmage last year against Coatesville, they looked as if they had talent and a decent scheme. What became apparent was the lack of total team speed though. Obviously, when matched up against Parkland, they were exposed a bit.

  249. phillyboy says:

    @ Mill
    Interesting news up in Easton. A while back I was positing that it would be awesome if Mike Carey took over at Easton. I could envision him turning that program into a big time power. I know, I know, they’re already pretty good. I’m talking taking it to another level. There’s no reason why it shouldn’t, Easton has a lot going for it: big school, lots of talent, tremendous community support and tradition. They could be a beast program if everything lined up.

  250. Mill says:

    Possibly a new head coach at Easton Area HS….school board vote tonight

  251. InterAcOne says:

    Any info on the finalists for the Malvern HC job?
    Sources say six coaches to interview on Monday Jan 23rd & the announcement on Feb. 10th.

  252. sausmann9 says:

    @ keepinitreal – good call on that stat w/ the teams not doing so well last season, might be the very reason some other schools opt out of a game with them.

    @ PastorZak – nice football area you are coming from and probably in top 5 for talent and SPEED from high school athletes in our country. funny thing, everyone knows Katy, Katy, Katy but nobody speaks of Ozen or WO Stark. WOS still has one of the nastiest defenses I’ve ever seen for a high school football team. Love the way they play ball down there and still miss it, heck its probably the top public school football state in the country. I spent time w/ Judson in early 90’s. Stationed in SA area (brooks) for some time and loved that little “Rocket” school inside Loop 35.

  253. Keepinitreal says:

    Pastor and Saus your comments made me check the open dates page on the website. The dynamic is interesting in that it seems the schools coming off not great years are gonna have a tough time finding non-league opponents. They are gonna have to prob play non-pubs which kills their points, which puts them like a hamster on the wheel never getting anywhere. And the non-pubs are gonna have to head out of town it looks like since they are not gonna help the pub point systems. Makes the divide between the have and have nots kind of bigger.

  254. PastorZack says:

    @sausmann9, Golden Triangle area of SE Texas. Have coaching ties all over the state.

    You are right in the reclassification aspect of scheduling. Seems that 6A teams only want to play 6A teams for non-league games so that they dont lose points toward the playoffs. But, also about scheduling the right school in that you get some points for each game that they eventually win. Better to beat a 9 win 5A team than a 0 win 6A team.

  255. sausmann9 says:

    @PastorZack – not very routine at all, these last two seasons seemed to have more than usual. The realignment may have had something to do with it/finding different teams that were not normally scheduled but not sure.

    what part of TX are you from??? tx.

  256. PastorZack says:

    How normal is it for teams to back out of games? Seems to be a rash of this. There are multiple schools looking for games, and would think AD’s/Head coaches would have written agreements with their opponents hashed out by their individual conferences…

    Being new to PA football, is this the norm? Having come up through high school football in TX, this seemingly never happened.

  257. Mill says:

    Rob Melosky now HC and AD at Pocono Mountain East High School.

  258. Billy Splain says:

    Big changes for the BIG33 http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/185154783006736064/pennsylvania-football-coaches-not-big-33-foundation-to-control-all-star-showcase/

  259. David Mika says:

    Buddy, Yes…http://www.easternpafootball.com/news/epawpa-state-super-25-class-6a-team/

  260. Buddy says:


    Did you post the super 25 class 6A team?

    Maybe I missed it.

  261. Mike A says:

    Happy New Year to all! Can’t wait (just a little over 7 months until first practices begin) for another great HS football season!

  262. David Mika says:

    We could use some one in certain areas.

  263. PastorZack says:

    Dave, who covers the Ches-Mont and western areas of District 1 and Eastern areas of District 3 for you? Beyond the Downingtown Schools, information is scarce on these local teams.

  264. JoePA says:

    Happy, healthy and prosperous NEW YEAR ….2017

    Maybe this will be the year that all of the discussions and squabbling about the so called recruiting non-sense can be put to bed. Most of the School District’s within the State have defined boundaries. The exceptions I believe are the Charter, Religious and top Private Schools. Mostly addressed in or around the boundaries of the State and Metro Areas. It’s about time for the top echelons in the PIAA to get their heads out of the sand and actively get involved in supporting their BRAND. To me it appears that in most all issues the PIAA reflects problems to it’s District counterparts to resolve between each other.

    Just another manner in which complete control is strangling any growth. It may be time for the State Legislature to take a snap shot of the PIAA Policies, Procedures and affiliations affecting the PIAA Brand. I would take close investigation of the top 5 High School State Athletic Associations as examples to follow.

    We need to have more definition on issue’s that require the arm of the PIAA and if necessary change the area’s that restricts, through By laws and the State Legislature.

    We’ll have too wait for any or no reaction from the PIAA

  265. David Mika says:

    McD 65…..Thank you! Looking forward to 2017!

  266. McD 65 says:

    Dave,thanks for another great year of HS football information and coverage.

  267. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!

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