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2017 Football Forum

Written by: on Sunday, January 1st, 2017

Are you ready for some football?

Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2016 season.

During the off-season let’s talk about players, recruiting news, teams and everything about high school football.

During the season each week let’s talk about match-ups and how teams did. Let us know what player(s) stood out each week.

2016 Football Forum

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  1. Neutral Observer says:

    Mark Schmidt has stepped down as Imhotep Charter’s head football coach.

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/rick-obrien/Schmidt-steps-down-as-Imhoteps-head-football-coach.html

  2. David Mika says:

    sausmann9….I agree with you on this. It is surprising.

  3. sausmann9 says:

    Not like this will change anything but Easton Area High School just announced their new coach.

    http://www.mcall.com/sports/varsity/mc-easton-football-coach-0221-20170221-story.html

    Now what I don’t get is the fact that Easton “shoved out” Coach Shiffert for a few different reasons but then they hire a guy that was on the staff for 24 years and is cut from the same cloth. Not sure on this one for Easton but I highly doubt we see any difference in the Red Rovers – yes that means sweep right, sweep left, quarterback sneak, 2 kids to D2 colleges, and a Turkey Day game.

  4. JoePA says:

    Hey Phillyboy stop the nonsense about recruiting. It may occur in your area but just don’t promote it.

  5. phillyboy says:

    Hopefully Pine-Richland can pick up some key transfers too. To any Pittsburgh area parents of talented high school football players: you should seriously consider moving into the catchment of P-R so your kid can play for a highly regarded program. Your child will be seen by many big time college scouts and have a great chance to be part of a state champion as well.

  6. Pcc64 says:

    Pasted Zack, I believe Pine Richland will be a top team this year.

  7. Buddy says:

    @Pastor Zack

    Avery & Aaron aren’t seniors correct?

  8. PastorZack says:

    Dave, as of right now, the answer is no. There are others looking though. I’m sure since their brother is at ODU, they will be one to offer soon.

  9. JeffM says:

    Class 2A

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Camp Hill
    3. Dunmore
    4. Lakeland
    5. South Williamsport

    *Camp Hill returning 17 starters. Barely missed District 3 playoffs. Lost to 3A state runner up, 5A Palmyra, and 4A Milton Hershey*

  10. David Mika says:

    PastorZack, I added Avery and Aaron to my list. Do they have any other offers?

  11. PastorZack says:

    Dave, Coatesville’s Avery Young (2018) and Aaron Young (2019) picked up offers from Rutgers and Army over the last couple of days.

  12. TomF says:

    Class 4A
    1)Erie Cathedral Prep
    2)Imhotep
    3)Bethlehem Catholic
    4)Thomas Jefferson
    5)Berks Catholic

  13. Ngab6 says:

    Dave, I’ll give 2A a try:

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Dunmore
    3. South Williamsport
    4. Lakeland
    5. York Catholic

  14. PastorZack says:

    @Dave, I’ll put a best guess in for 6A

    1. Wilson West Lawn
    2. Cumberland Valley
    3. St. Joseph’s Prep
    4. Coatesville
    5. Pittsburg Central Catholic

    This sets up for a BIG game in Week 1/2 for CV and Coatesville in Mechanicsburg.

  15. Route 54 says:

    Dave,I will take a crack at top 5 eastern for Single A. I would have to look at who returns the most talent. Anyway, these are my picks. I will hold off on AA for the time being.
    1. Williams Valley
    2. Marian
    3. Tri-Valley
    4. Lakawana Trail
    5. Halifax

  16. David Mika says:

    I know its early. Pick a class and post your top 5 teams in each class.

    Class 6A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Class 5A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Class 4A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Class 3A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Class 2A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

    Class 1A
    1)
    2)
    3)
    4)
    5)

  17. phillyboy says:

    Brian, very good point about football being an Olympic event — if they only allowed 8 teams in the tournament it could be done; play the quarterfinals right away, the semifinals in the middle weekend, and the final on the last weekend. Like you indicated, it would be challenging because of the need to rest several days between games so obviously they couldn’t have round robin games like the do in basketball the first week. They would have to dive right into the tournament – and qualifying tournaments beforehand would determine that.

  18. Mike A says:

    @PastorZack He had hurt the shoulder against Chambersburg on 9/23 and without him they would have lost to CD the next week as he had punt and KO returns for TD’s in CV’s 25-24 win. He was the lone D1 player on the CV team. Quigley was also very good in HS but not in the same class (he’s going to Ship). He re-injured the shoulder within first several plays of the second half in the D3 playoff game against Wilson after CV had taken a 14-0 halftime lead. He already had one interception in the first half of that game. He played the third and into the fourth quarter basically with one arm as he could’t use the other at all. He was finally removed from the game early in the fourth quarter after Wilson took the lead as the third quarter ended. His loss allowed Wilson to crowd the line of scrimmage and stop CV’s running game. Without Katshir as the go to receiver and defense specialist it seemed that the whole teams morale collapsed and Wilson went on to win the game. Here’s a short clip from the Wilson game. Let it run for more highlights. https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4050828/583ca768c124d8185c288aa6

  19. Brian says:

    football can’t be an olympic event because olympics last only 2 weeks and you can only play 1 game a week in football because of the physical demands.

  20. billtown says:

    Sausmann9. Good ideas except I don t quite understand the vet ref one. Unfortunately the lack of bodies in a lot of areas including ours eliminates the 5 and 10 rule you described. I take no sub varsity games as I don t need the money and I am 60 and cannot do 2 games at the jr. high level. I did 6 JV games last year as we did not have enough refs to cover the games. Several junior high games were done with 4 which is tough especially with our older chapter. Bottom line we are approaching critical mass and the game will suffer if we don t replenish the herd!

  21. PastorZack says:

    @ Mike A I read somewhere, maybe from here, that Katshir had offseason shoulder surgery due to an injury sustained during the season. It noted that he would be back for summer workouts. Don’t know how this will affect his season though. I know that he and Quigley were tough to contain for Coatesville early last season.

  22. phillyboy says:

    Yo, did anybody catch that US vs Canada u-19 North American championship last Saturday? Not a lot has been said about it. At this point it’s pretty obscure but very interesting. It’s a junior national team championship for American football. The US team won 33-11, D’Andre Swift won the MVP, believe there was another player from western PA on the team as well. Would have loved to see the game, don’t have cable TV, but was hoping somebody might have uploaded it to youtube. Not yet anyway. But yeah, pretty compelling, could you imagine if some day American football became an Olympic event and they created a senior national team, talk about a Dream Team, goodness.

  23. Mike A says:

    Cumberland Valley’s Katshir verbally commits to Penn State

    Penn State lands Class of 2018 commitment No. 8 as Charlie Katshir picks the Lions
    http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2017/02/penn_state_recruiting_charlie.html#incart_river_home_pop

  24. sausmann9 says:

    @ Billtown – Dark Knight said it best, I hear the same gripe around the EPC in D11. A younger/newer ref mentioned something along those lines last season. PIAA needs to implement a rule that no veteran ref (over 10 years) can do any JV games and no veteran ref (over 5 years) can do any freshman games or something like that. Another rule could be that every varsity game needs a mandatory new ref on the field w/ the vet refs. I agree though, that issue will cause people to stay out of the profession.

  25. billtown says:

    Dark Knight we had the same problem and still have guys doing it strictly for the paycheck but they are retiring at a fast clip due to age and physical problems thus we have a huge void on the horizon. I know D2 very well and the assignor for varsity is getting much better in using younger and diversified officials in the last 2-3 years so I think the whole old boys network is finally winding down as the old boys are finally leaving and opportunity is looking much better for no other reason than attrition. Keep on plugging if you are good you will get all of the games you can handle.

  26. Dark Knight says:

    Billtown,

    The problem we have in my area (D2) is that all the veteran guys take every game possible, and they younger guys get no work and get discouraged and leave. We have veteran guys working varsity Friday night, freshman sat morn, varsity sat afternoon or evening, minis sun, jv Monday, 7-8 tues. And it’s more than one. Very hard for a new guy to get a chance. How do you fix this??? Only way younger guys are going to develop is experience at the lower levels, and they can’t because a lot of guys are in it for the $$$$$ only.

  27. PastorZack says:

    How’s everyone’s 7 on 7 circuit going? With the clamp down of hitting and the pervasiveness of spread concepts and formations, this time of year is vital for offenses and defenses alike to study hard and react quickly.

  28. billtown says:

    Fellow forum followers I have a favor to ask.
    We need new blood in the football official chapters throughout the state. My chapter in Dist. 4 has 35 members with our average age around 60.In the last 5 years we have lost 10 and gained 3.You do the math. In the next 5 years if we don t see a drastic uptick in new officials we won t be able to fully staff games. By fully staffed I mean 6 man in varsity and 5 man JV jr. high. With the increase in size speed and passing in High school 6 man is a must in most varsity games today if you want sufficient coverage. If these numbers keep going we will see 4 and 5 at most varsity games which will diminish quality and lead to a lot of things we have worked very hard to improve. The most glaring being increased injuries to players.
    We need to keep this great game moving in the right direction and not having enough refs will definitely hurt the continued progress of this game we love.
    If you know anyone who played, coached or just loves football mention this fact to them. The younger the better but we will take anyone who is dedicated and capable including women. For recent grads who will never play again it is a way to stay in the game. All you need to do is get on the PIAA website and schedule a test. I hope everyone is well and I look forward to reading your great discussions this year!!

  29. Buddy says:

    @McD 65

    OK. I’m behind the times, as usual:)

    Yea, I did hear he is one of the best coaches in the entire area. CB West product I do believe.

  30. Mill says:

    Shiffert deserved a better exit than what happened. It’s sad that some people are all about the stats these days. Keith Groller wrote a great article about what happened.

    http://www.mcall.com/sports/varsity/mc-steve-shiffert-column-0125-20170125-story.html

  31. McD 65 says:

    Buddy, Mike Carey has not been at Wood for a few years now. He left to concentrate on his business. I spoke with one of his brothers recently and he said Mike is unsure about returning to coaching this year. He is frankly the best line coach around.

  32. rovers64 says:

    It’s been a long time since I’ve been on here. In response to the Easton change, I agree some changes were necessary to the program but the way this was handled is disgraceful.

    As far as the program goes, losing Shiffert is tough but losing the assistants will have much more of an effect. Easton had, hands down, the best DC in the area and probably best line coach too.

  33. sausmann9 says:

    http://www.mcall.com/sports/varsity/mc-shiffert-board-update-20170124-story.html

    Shiffert out at Easton. Not surprised one bit, heard this at the start of the season. Easton starting to get stale, new blood, new offense, new energy!!! Easton will dominate once again. Now who to fill his spot???

  34. roverred says:

    on shiffert sad day in easton

  35. Buddy says:

    Why would Carey leave Wood ( I’m assuming he’s still there)? I’m sure he gets carried around in a gilded chair by now.

    Speaking of Coatesville, that’s the team in D1 next year! Talk about speed!

    Not sure if they can beat the recruiters, but we’ll see.

  36. PastorZack says:

    From watching Easton in their scrimmage last year against Coatesville, they looked as if they had talent and a decent scheme. What became apparent was the lack of total team speed though. Obviously, when matched up against Parkland, they were exposed a bit.

  37. phillyboy says:

    @ Mill
    Interesting news up in Easton. A while back I was positing that it would be awesome if Mike Carey took over at Easton. I could envision him turning that program into a big time power. I know, I know, they’re already pretty good. I’m talking taking it to another level. There’s no reason why it shouldn’t, Easton has a lot going for it: big school, lots of talent, tremendous community support and tradition. They could be a beast program if everything lined up.

  38. Mill says:

    Possibly a new head coach at Easton Area HS….school board vote tonight

  39. InterAcOne says:

    Any info on the finalists for the Malvern HC job?
    Sources say six coaches to interview on Monday Jan 23rd & the announcement on Feb. 10th.

  40. sausmann9 says:

    @ keepinitreal – good call on that stat w/ the teams not doing so well last season, might be the very reason some other schools opt out of a game with them.

    @ PastorZak – nice football area you are coming from and probably in top 5 for talent and SPEED from high school athletes in our country. funny thing, everyone knows Katy, Katy, Katy but nobody speaks of Ozen or WO Stark. WOS still has one of the nastiest defenses I’ve ever seen for a high school football team. Love the way they play ball down there and still miss it, heck its probably the top public school football state in the country. I spent time w/ Judson in early 90’s. Stationed in SA area (brooks) for some time and loved that little “Rocket” school inside Loop 35.

  41. Keepinitreal says:

    Pastor and Saus your comments made me check the open dates page on the website. The dynamic is interesting in that it seems the schools coming off not great years are gonna have a tough time finding non-league opponents. They are gonna have to prob play non-pubs which kills their points, which puts them like a hamster on the wheel never getting anywhere. And the non-pubs are gonna have to head out of town it looks like since they are not gonna help the pub point systems. Makes the divide between the have and have nots kind of bigger.

  42. PastorZack says:

    @sausmann9, Golden Triangle area of SE Texas. Have coaching ties all over the state.

    You are right in the reclassification aspect of scheduling. Seems that 6A teams only want to play 6A teams for non-league games so that they dont lose points toward the playoffs. But, also about scheduling the right school in that you get some points for each game that they eventually win. Better to beat a 9 win 5A team than a 0 win 6A team.

  43. sausmann9 says:

    @PastorZack – not very routine at all, these last two seasons seemed to have more than usual. The realignment may have had something to do with it/finding different teams that were not normally scheduled but not sure.

    what part of TX are you from??? tx.

  44. PastorZack says:

    How normal is it for teams to back out of games? Seems to be a rash of this. There are multiple schools looking for games, and would think AD’s/Head coaches would have written agreements with their opponents hashed out by their individual conferences…

    Being new to PA football, is this the norm? Having come up through high school football in TX, this seemingly never happened.

  45. Mill says:

    Rob Melosky now HC and AD at Pocono Mountain East High School.

  46. Billy Splain says:

    Big changes for the BIG33 http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/185154783006736064/pennsylvania-football-coaches-not-big-33-foundation-to-control-all-star-showcase/

  47. David Mika says:

    Buddy, Yes…http://www.easternpafootball.com/news/epawpa-state-super-25-class-6a-team/

  48. Buddy says:

    Mika

    Did you post the super 25 class 6A team?

    Maybe I missed it.

  49. Mike A says:

    Happy New Year to all! Can’t wait (just a little over 7 months until first practices begin) for another great HS football season!

  50. David Mika says:

    We could use some one in certain areas.

  51. PastorZack says:

    Dave, who covers the Ches-Mont and western areas of District 1 and Eastern areas of District 3 for you? Beyond the Downingtown Schools, information is scarce on these local teams.

  52. JoePA says:

    Happy, healthy and prosperous NEW YEAR ….2017

    Maybe this will be the year that all of the discussions and squabbling about the so called recruiting non-sense can be put to bed. Most of the School District’s within the State have defined boundaries. The exceptions I believe are the Charter, Religious and top Private Schools. Mostly addressed in or around the boundaries of the State and Metro Areas. It’s about time for the top echelons in the PIAA to get their heads out of the sand and actively get involved in supporting their BRAND. To me it appears that in most all issues the PIAA reflects problems to it’s District counterparts to resolve between each other.

    Just another manner in which complete control is strangling any growth. It may be time for the State Legislature to take a snap shot of the PIAA Policies, Procedures and affiliations affecting the PIAA Brand. I would take close investigation of the top 5 High School State Athletic Associations as examples to follow.

    We need to have more definition on issue’s that require the arm of the PIAA and if necessary change the area’s that restricts, through By laws and the State Legislature.

    We’ll have too wait for any or no reaction from the PIAA

  53. David Mika says:

    McD 65…..Thank you! Looking forward to 2017!

  54. McD 65 says:

    Dave,thanks for another great year of HS football information and coverage.

  55. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!



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