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2017 Football Forum

Written by: on Sunday, January 1st, 2017

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Welcome to the official forum on high school football for the 2016 season.

During the off-season let’s talk about players, recruiting news, teams and everything about high school football.

During the season each week let’s talk about match-ups and how teams did. Let us know what player(s) stood out each week.

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  1. Kevin X says:

    @ Bob Hines

    What do you mean by “NO CONTEST” ?? Sounds like only a scrimmage now.

    @ Brian

    Your 6A top 10 for the east, you meaning only for SEPA (Districts 1 and 12) only?? If not, no Parkland, Delaware Valley, Cumberland Valley, etc.???

    Not thinking either the SJP/LaSalle or C’Ville/DTE games are going to be that close. Both games by 21 points/ 3TDs, Prep 35-14, C’Ville 42-21.

  2. No Horse says:

    @ Brian

    I seriously hope that you just forgot Parkland. Otherwise, you need to watch them play a game.

    Same with Del Val…only to a much lesser extent, lol

  3. No Horse says:

    Is the State College v Harrisburg game being televised anywhere? Live stream maybe?

  4. Bob Hines says:

    Prep-LaSalle in the grand scheme of things is somewhat unimportant. Like Kevin said they’ll meet again in November for the 6A crown. Now the PCL red title is at stake for SJP who can bring home the plaque with the win. Still important to philly people.

    As for the game I think it’s going to be pretty close too. Prep D plays the run very well but they’re vulnerable through the air- always LaSalle’s specialty. So I think the Explorers will put some points up on them. Only problem is they won’t be able to stop Prep. They’ll ground and pound them all night with Mason and Burrell. I’m gonna go: SJP 42 LaS 30.

    Was at the Imhotep-Frankford game last week. I played at Frankford back when we were a dominating public league program under Al Angelo. It’s a shame how far Frankford has fallen compared to the talent that Imhotep has. This week’s game against Northeast is actually a NO CONTEST! They’re not even playing the game-seriously SAD. No difference at all between Northeast and Frankford “recruiting” wise other than what the Phila school district has become. Feel bad for everybody from Frankford’s program past and present.

  5. Brian says:

    6a top 10 (top 10 east in my opinion)
    1. St joes (#8 nationally maxpreps)
    2. La salle
    3. North Penn (tough to beat this team in a shootout)
    4. Garnet Valley (smash mouth football)
    5. Pennridge (very underrated, this is my dark horse, tarburton)
    6. Coatesville (Aaron Young is the real deal)
    7. Neshaminy (sophomore qb very good, well balanced)
    8. Downingtown East (early exit)
    9. Perk Valley (good team, 29-0 loss to pennridge…)
    10. CB South

  6. McD65 says:

    St Joe Prep is highly ranked by everyone, but there hasn’t been much written as to the team make up this year as opposed to prior years. One thing for sure and that is they are typically big, fast and very well coached. They are the champs and until someone beats them IMO they deserve the respect of a champion. This weeks matchup vs LaSalle will definitely be a tremendous game . Prep 24-21.

  7. Bert Silvestri says:

    Mark D
    Pertaining to OT in NP/VV game, run would have been my first choice too, but give the kid who intercepted credit, he made great break on ball. They tried to run on last series of 4th quarter, and were stuffed, so I guess coach wanted to mix it up, could have run on 2nd down. Easy to second guess.

  8. Jhon Robert says:

    @MArk D

    I have seen this as well. Two seasons ago..NP vs Scranton Prep…NP would drive WITH AUTHORITY to the Prep 30…and start passing..and of course drives would stall!

    Last season, NP was being coronated the League champs..had a great backfield (which they did and they were DISTRICT CHAMPS IN 4A) but Prep was winning 21 -0 when they decided to keep running the ball and wear Prep down

    NP is a LOT MORE down than last year…Western Wayne held them all game and to be honest Prep made a statement on Friday night!WW was over matched in all aspects of the game

    There is only one team more physical than Valley View and I think it is Scranton Prep

  9. eggo says:

    I am going with La Salle 35 Prep 24.
    Explorers have some healthy weapons back in the lineup.

  10. Zeke says:

    Really looking forward to the Dunmore vs. Old Forge game at OF Veterans Memorial Stadium on Fri. 27 Oct. Barring an upset this week, both teams should be 9-0 entering the contest.

  11. Buddy says:


    Nah, that won’t be much of a contest.

    Game of the week: DTE vs C’ville.

  12. Mike A. says:

    @Eric W
    Good luck to Harrisburg and good luck to anyone playing Harrisburg. They are a juggernaut for sure!

  13. Kevin X says:

    @ NCfalcons82 (and all of you other PCL peeps)

    Hardly. Game of the week is Coatesville @ Downingtown East Friday night. The LaSalle/SJP game looks great on paper and for rival enthusiasts, but in the grand scheme of things, the game is irrelevant, other than some short term bragging rights. Their game November 10/11 is the one that will actually have something riding on it.

  14. paul from phillyp says:

    @ NCFalcons82

    I agree that this is the game of the week. I also agree that it will be a one possession difference in the score. But I think the defenses will keep the score down to something in the low 20s high teens like 24-17. Should be a barn burner. Nice weather predicted for it too.

  15. mark d says:

    @jhon Roberts was at the Valley View North Pocono game, was the most physical game i have seen in a long time.Great high school football game one of those games it a shame some one had to lose !! But i have to question North Pocono final play they were running the ball with authority and their first play in over time they go shot gun and pass i don,t think they went shot gun all night??

  16. Eric W says:

    I guess if there was any doubt about Harrisburg’s skill set, that was answered this week.

    Harrisburg 48-10 over Central Dauphin

    Wondering if Manheim Central can give them a game?

  17. NCfalcons82 says:

    Game of the week Prep Vs Lasalle. Prediction: Prep 35 Lasalle 28

  18. Rollie Ciffo says:

    @Jim B

    I hope you are wrong and WVC will see better days but I think the population shift and overall demographics will prove otherwise.

    The NE part of the state is no longer a major population center. SE PA is growing by leaps and bounds as people flock to where jobs are. In the past 4 years 7 of the 18 state titles were won by District 12. Can they have a team win an occasional title? Sure. But right now, the WVC is among the worst conferences in the entire state.

  19. TomF says:

    Eric W, It was discussed about BC moving to Section 1, however, the schedules are set until 2020. I can’t see them moving over to Section 1 until then. In addition, BC has open dates on weeks 3,4 and 5 next year, they cant find anyone to fill out the schedule. If they switch with Twin Valley, that will cancel out Exeter which is on BC’S schedule next year making that 4 openings. Based on Paul Robert’s tweet-(below) it looks like they tried to move.

    Fans should know that Berks Catholic was willing to move to Section 1 next year and Twin Valley made an effort to stay in Section 2.

  20. mgguy says:

    Friday night big game upcoming in LL1, WWL at Manheim Twp, last team to beat WWL in league play was Manheim Twp, WWL has 68 game league winning streak. Should be a barn burner in Neffsville

  21. Jim B says:


    Well said. And finally another Coughlin guy. The WVC is in a down cycle. That happens. I still can remember the late 1980’s and early 1990’s when the conference was utterly dominate. Everything goes in cycles. I’m hoping for better days for the Wyoming Valley Conference and Coughlin. Unfortunately, as you probably know, our Friday nights (and occasional Saturday) with the Crusaders are dwindling. Times must change, I suppose.
    Enjoy the game tonight and lets beat those Millionaires! Crusader Pride!

  22. Lombardi says:

    Keep this forum positive. It is 2017. There is so much negativity that our student athletes are exposed to, can’t we just keep the gridiron a place where hard work is respected. Root for your team, promote your program, but don’t run down the players who are busting their tails, or the coaches who are out there teaching kids about football and life. Keep the negative whining for facebook.

  23. Zack Felter says:


    my rough calculations has Coatesville with 960 win points and 250 bonus points for a total of 1210 and average of 151.25 while PIAAD1.org has them with 900 win points and 240 bonus for an average of 142.50. Wins over 6a teams Reading, DtownWest, and Avon Grove, wins over 5a teams, Simon Gratz, and all three WC schools. What am I missing?

  24. Blakely Bear says:

    Amen to AJ and Dave posts urging people to keep talk about football and away from personal attacks on coaches and posters. I wonder how many of these people have set foot inside a high school since they graduated, or interacted with high school students outside of one with football uniform on.

  25. phillyboy says:

    Say it ain’t so: Rollie Ciffo is in the house. It’s almost nostalgic; havn’t seen one of your comments since like 2011.

  26. Jhon Robert says:

    Communicated with friends in the stands at four different games tonight ! Seems that this was a great week for some football !!

    1st off …Valley View vs North Pocono…FINALLY no collapse by VV ..they fought back against a TOUGH NP team. Toughness shows!

    2nd, Berwick vs WVW..no surprise here …WVW who has won many of these match ups over the last ten years , didnt have the same luster. Berwick soundly solidified itself as the top seed in 4A. Tough road awaits!

    3rd, Pittston Area moving it to 4-4 over a Nanticoke team who I thought after three weeks was a D2 contender. Congrats to Coach barbieri

    Finally , 6-1 Western Wayne…6-1 and their weaker schedule SHOWED. Scranton Prep held Western Wayne to 23 offensive plays TOTAL. Totally Dominant performance

  27. Eric W says:

    Iggy Reynoso,RB,WWL,breaks Berks County record tonight, gets his 71st TD…also goes over 5,000 yds of offense for his career as well.

  28. Eric W says:

    Just heard Berks Catholic moving to Berks 1 next year, which should make it a little tougher next year. Not sure what difference that’s really gone to make anyway. I’m assuming they will still play Wyomissing. Now at least they will have to play Mifflin, for what that’s worth

  29. AJ says:

    This is the worst year of talk on this forum. Let’s get to talking 2017 football and quit all the BS.

  30. Kevin X says:

    Guess I’ll jump into this D2 chat as well…..with some predictions and thoughts…..

    6A – Delaware Valley will not be challenged. Scranton, Bill-town, and especially Hazleton, are having a nice years, but all are a notch or two below DV.

    5A – Who cares, 2 are mediocre at best, AH, well, umm, nice run last year. Get ready for hoop season. I hope someone realizes that a 4 team subregional with D11 is the way to go next next year. Kind of rooting for ‘Paupack just to see someone new in the mix. Moot point really, as whoever survives that brutal 3 team bracket (yes, tongue firmly planted in cheek) is going to get hammered by Whitehall anyway (who in turn will be hammered again by Wood, some things just don’t change).

    4A – Most intriguing and competitive of the classifications. Right now, slight nod to Valley View over Berwick, if for no other reason I think they (VV) have played a tougher schedule. Once again, whoever wins out regardless, enjoy the D2 crown, as Imhotep is next up. Enough said there.

    3A – Scranton Prep – Yawn
    2A – Dunmore – Yawn 2.0
    1A – Old Forge – Yawn 3.0

  31. DV Warriors says:

    Isn’t Ted Jackson Jr’s wife also named Robin? Small world….

  32. WVCD2 says:

    Delete the blog, it’s getting to be a disgrace and it’s proving the character people lack in NEPA. I go to every Coughlin game for 17 years and enjoy Friday Nights. Never once have I bad mouthed a player or coach for giving full effort. Respect these kids and respect the people who put in countless hours teaching your sons lifelong lessons. Win or Lose it’s about much more. Coughlin has struggled for years but it’s the only thing I look forward to every week. Happy Friday everyone!

  33. Neutral Observer says:

    Interesting conversation on how to evaluate an Offensive Coordinator (“OC”).

    I think people rely too much on pure offensive numbers without giving them any context. The goal of a good OC is NOT to just pad his stats; the goal is to call the game correctly given the actual game situation. The other criterion should be how effectively the OC uses the talent he has.


    For example, if a team has a dominating defense (i.e. Scranton Prep), then the offense’s stats are massively skewed (both positively and negatively) by that defense:

    (1) Takeaways lead to short fields means fewer offensive yards making the offense look bad in yardage,

    (2) Points from D/ST touchdowns inflate the points per game making the offense look good, and

    (3) The team pulls its starters and essentially shuts down its passing offense when mercy-ruling the other team in the second half, making the offense (and individual players) look bad.

    Given all of the above, are those numbers still an ACCURATE depiction of the quality (good or bad) of the OC?


    @Robin cited Wyoming Valley West’s numbers of 31pts/400yds as numbers that shouldn’t be criticized. Those numbers need to be taken in context.

    Let’s say that I take Neumann-Gorretti’s team of FBS scholarships and I have them play WVW’s same schedule where N-G averages an identical 31/400.

    I don’t think anyone would argue that WVW has anywhere near as much raw talent as N-G, so since both teams have the same offensive numbers, then the WVW OC is making MUCH better use of his talent than the N-G OC is. Or, conversely, the WVW OC is “better” than the N-G OC.

  34. David Mika says:

    Enough bad mouthing coaches or I will delete your post.

  35. Robin says:

    @ WVW FAN

    Still don’t have the courage to give your real name huh?

    It honestly is not even worth my time to respond to your comments. Inside screens….yeah that’s the problem haha. Clueless!! You obviously know everything…….why not apply for the job?

    Having your OPINION is fine. But bad-mouthing coaches and doing it in such a cowardly way is a disgrace. Keep watching from the bleachers and complain about the plays. Loser.

  36. Robin says:

    @ Jhon Robert

    First of all I was not even speaking to you but thanks for your ignorant, arrogant response…..as usual. Secondly, I am neither a Mrs. nor a Jackson.

    Go back to your Scranton Prep dream world.

    By the way I am wondering if the Purple and Gold faithful had respect for Coach Jackson the last time he was a head coach. Beating your beloved Cavs 3 times in 2 seasons to the tune of combined scores of 113 – 38.

    You are a clown just like all the others tough guy know-it-alls that hide behind their computer screens.

  37. Eric W says:

    Would like to see BC/Tep play, although Pottsgrove looks pretty good,as well as Beca High(gave Parkland all they could handle

  38. Eric W says:

    Would be nice to see Berks Catholic play Cathedral Prep,again. I know most don’t give them a chance, plus they have to get through McDevitt in D3 playoffs…some good teams on Eastern side of AAAA that are very good as well. Couple of interesting tidbits about BC…6-0,50 pts/game,6 mercy rules,First team D has yet to give up a pt

  39. Jhon Robert says:

    @Robin AKA as Mrs Jackson.

    I would like to focus on one important aspect of your post.

    If your team has kids who miss practice and the coaching staff ALLOWS IT…the team chemistry afoul IS ONE HIM and his staff.

    Sounds to me that the players are running that team as opposed to the coaching staff if that is allowed to happened.

    If you are quoting turnover ratio etc , you are definitely a coach or related ! (why my AKA Mrs jackson reference)

    Ted Jackson isnt feared or respected. Thats why he hasnt been a head coach in the conference since his DISGRACEFUL DISMISSAL in 2011! Comparing him to Gentlemen who I believe are/were great coaches : Bob Barbieri, George Curry, Jim Roth, Jack Henzes, isnt even fair to the comparison.

    WVW as I said earlier in these threads are undisciplined. Penalties turnovers missed practices….. DISCIPLINE

  40. Rollie Ciffo says:

    Man, lots of D2 talk here. Is the WVC the worst conference in the state or what? I mean seriously, its even worse than the Pioneer in D1. I guess not every league can be the EPC (D11), PCL (D12), Suburban (D1), WPIAL (D7) or Mid-Penn (D3).

  41. Spartans says:

    @ WVW FAN

    Are you kidding me man?? We have the best OC! Check the CV Gameface. Valley West is 2nd in the WVC in both offensive yards and points scored. 2nd only to Billport. And they beat Billport by the way! And that is while playing half the season with a backup QB! Plus no none has played a tougher schedule! Our OC should be coach of the year considering all those things! The job of an OC is gain yards, move the chains and score points. That is certainly happening despite some HUGE problems with this team. Just think if they didn’t have all the turnovers, fumbles and penalties!! The job of the OC is NOT to give the ball to your son every play. You are a clown!

  42. WarriorFan says:

    Valley View defense is very poor, they have a hard time stopping the run. North Pocono is very vanilla and are having difficulties scoring points. This game is going to come down to speed, which VV has the edge. This is a football blog, we are on here to discuss football in Pennsylvania at it’s highest level. I agree with Robin, stop critiquing your son or daughters coach in any sport and respect their abilities. Ted Jackson is an excellent OC and has done wonders with the Offense. I am a DV guys and I respect what he has done to us in years past. None of us on this site are at practices every day or see the day to day operation of a football team. Enjoy your friday nights and let the kids be kids, coaches be coaches. Go Warriors!

  43. mark d says:

    @john Roberts have not seen North Pocono play but was told against Del Valley they could not handle their physical line. i think that Valley View is as Physical so i have to agree with you

  44. Dawg Pound says:

    @John Robert
    If Valley View has to play Berwick for D2 4A title, they will certainly be surprised how good Berwicks defense is. Berwick graduated 18 seniors from 2016 team, but the players have worked very hard to be a tough team to beat. Nobody in Berwick expected the bulldogs to be top seed in week 8. Havent heard anything about how good VV defense is, just how good offense is.

  45. Robin says:

    @ WVW Fan

    It amazes me how you come on here and hide behind your computer to bash play calling at WVW. WVW averages 31 points per game and has gained over 400 yards per game on several occasions. You are completely clueless and do nothing but embarrass yourself and anyone involved with the WVW football program anytime you type on your keyboard.

    Instead of being a coward why don’t you post under your real name so people know who you are. My guess is your son does not play or doesn’t get the ball enough (according to you).

    Instead maybe try to focus on the real problems with this WVW team because if you think its the OC you are a fool. They are by far the most penalized team in D2. They have no senior leadership. They are like minus 18 in turnover margin. They have kids that do not show up for practice and could care less about the “team”. Despite ALL that they still average 31 points and 400 yards per game. And that is while playing the toughest schedule in D2!!

    But blame the OC. You make me sick to my stomach. Ask around….your OC is one of the most respected and feared coaches in D2. And he has FORGOTTEN more about football than you will ever know. Go back to playing Madden….that way you can call your own plays and give the ball to your son every play!

  46. WVW Fan says:

    @John Robert

    my response was to Wallenpaupak being picked to win

    WVW record sucks but they aren’t as bad as their record. I’ve never talked up Bleich

    I did talk up how good I thought their run game was going to be but their offensive coordinator refuses to be a running team. yet our only 2 wins were RUN HEAVY.

    WVW absolutely needs to consider a coaching overhaul. AT least offensive coordinator. Someone on here said how great he was blah blah…hes killing this team.

  47. Jhon Robert says:

    @Mark D

    a few implications with the NP /Valley View game

    playoff seeding
    bragging rights
    the pleasure of smacking the WVC in the MOUTH

    Seeing Prep beat VV and watching NP on film…I think Valley View clobbers NP

  48. John Robert says:


    100% AGREE …Berwick got destroyed the last two years when playing the LACK…If they play Valley View this year it wont even be close.

    Doesnt matter who the QB is or for that matter isnt!

  49. John Robert says:


    District Champions 5A …WOW…AH has one win, WVW has 2 WINS, Paupack has 3 WINS…

    Were you not the same fan talking crap this summer when I specifically said how Scranton Prep threw ALL OVER WVW in that scrimmage. And how PREP dominated the INSIDE RUN drills?

    Then I heard about Bleich and all the other over exaggerated talent you thought WVW had! FOOEY!!!!

    CMON No discipline , worse coaching !! Time to get some NEW BLOOD at WVW the program cannot not sustain!!

  50. Dawg Pound says:

    @ neutralfan…… Dawgs play WVW Friday and play @ Williamsport week 10. If dawgs run the table, they will be top 4A seed in D2 and play 3 playoff games at Crispin. Berwick has played a vanilla offense with a backup qb. Defense is very good, can stop the run and all 4 dbs have outstanding speed. Also have a great kicker who has 10 touchbacks on his kickoffs.

  51. neutralfan says:

    Berwick doesn’t have the athletes to play with Valley View. Look for Hazleton to surprise people come playoff time. Interested to see how AAAAAA shapes up in late October.

  52. TomF says:

    NG, if they get by West Catholic in the playoffs VS Southern Columbia in the playoffs will be very interesting. NG obviously has more talent, however, having seen SC play several times, their system/coaching overcomes talented teams. SC has the top coach and coaching staff in PA, they will find a way to win that game.

  53. Brian says:

    I guess come on man hasn’t heard of Southern Columbia

  54. Dawg Pound says:

    @ John Robert Berwick defeated Hazleton 24-10 @ Hazleton with backup qb. Hazleton bashed Scranton 34-8. Qb Marshman is back and Berwick will now have their offense rolling

  55. mark d says:

    hey D2 guys big AAAA game this Friday who do you like Valley View or North Pocono

  56. phillyboy says:

    Yeah on my way back from a long road trip this past summer I made it a point to check out Berwick, had never been there before. Was interesting and educational. Has a small downtown but the residential area is somewhat expansive. Was neat to see Crispin in its context; it’s located in a kind of industrial part of town. But the coup de grace were the 3 national championship banners, are you kidding ME?!

  57. WVW Fan says:

    Mark my words. WVW wins the 5A district. They had no business losing to Wallenpaupack. Won’t happen twice.
    Crucify me for this but WVW could be a 1 or 2 loss team.

  58. Matt says:

    This is from a D11 fan that have seen people doubt Southern before (ie. west Catholic two years ago).

  59. Matt says:

    @bobby and @run4daylight…. Southern Columbia still is king in AA east….with all thier state champs and coaching I would expect at least a good game vs NG. Remember SC plays a weaker schedule than D12 schools but brings it in playoffs. They beat a very good west Catholic and aliquippa team two years and has the talent to beat NG. They don’t have that many state championships by mistake.

  60. Buddy says:

    @Tom F

    I was at that ’98 Berwick game. For such a small town & small stadium, I never seen so many people. I had to stand outside the fence and peer in. Population of that town must have doubled.

  61. phillyboy says:

    @ DV Warriors

    Thanks for the Berwick info, that was awesome. Lastly, are there any miscellaneous big time out of state or cross state matchups that were noteworthy in the last few decades that are worth mentioning?

    Come on man! makes a great point. For a small classification school to have such an enormous talent advantage is even more egregious. At least the very large publics have some numbers on their side. For NG to assemble all this talent out of nowhere, then probably rampage to a state title, doesn’t pass the smell test; seems ill gotten.

  62. Come on man! says:


    Nobody stacks up to NG at the AA level. They have at least 6 kids with D1 offers. No other school in PA has that many offers for their players. I am not talking about FCS, they are FBS offers. Alabama, LSU, Florida, Temple, WVU, Oregon, etc. Not bad for a team that was 0-9 last season. I say great for the kids, use this opportunity to make your life better.

    This is a serious issue for the PIAA. Public schools play by a different set of rules then private schools none more evident they what NG has done this year. They did not do anything illegal. They just took advantage of very weak PIAA leadership. I personally feel this situation is over the top. NG should be playing 4A in the playoffs. I hope PIAA gets a set and makes changes especially at the A and AA levels. These are small schools from small communities. Those teams should be able to have a chance at a title. NG has a huge advantage that no other AA school can match.

  63. John Robert says:

    @ dawg Pound

    Berwicks last two trips to through districts were both ended by Lackawanna League Teams.

    in District 2 heres your champs this year

    4A-Valley View
    3A-Scranton Prep
    2A- Dunmore
    1A- Old Forge

    See a recurrent them??

    Those puppies arent tough enough….the Lack new saying WETSU

  64. bobby d says:


    SCA has some talent in RB Garcia and receiver Fleming (#1 in the nation by some sources)and run the Wing-T to perfection. With that said, SCA has not been tested yet and has a weak schedule so far. Mount Carmel gave them all they could handle in the 1st half of their game but because MCA play 7 players both ways and SCA plays 7 players one way, MCA tired out and lost 29-7. I doubt many SCA starters have played more than 60% of any game. Selingrove will be their toughest test but considering Shikellamy beat them 28-26 and MCA beat Shikellamy 31-14, what does that tell you?

    As for NG, if size is any factor, NG should win but how does the team play overall. If they have a great defense, I still say NG, if it’s only average, I’d say SCA. If NG is just a so-so team with a weak schedule, I’d say SCA. Take your pick!

  65. DV Warriors says:

    Happy to help!

    Berwick played tons of out-of-district games, so this is going to be a much longer list. They were once D4, now D2, so I won’t include those two districts. Playoffs not included.

    1968 to 2010 -Berwick versus District 1
    ’68 lost to Council Rock
    ’86 win Council Rock
    ’89 win Glen Mills
    ’90 win Glen Mills
    ’91 lost to Glen Mills
    ’92 win Glen Mills
    ’93 win Glen Mills
    ’94 win Glen Mills
    ’95 win Glen Mills

    1966 to 2010 – D3
    ’66 wins Central Dauphin & Middletown
    ’69 win Trinity
    ’72 win Lanister McCaskey
    ’79 loss Harrisburg
    ’83 win Harrisburg
    ’84 win Harrisburg
    ’85 win Harrisburg
    ’86 win Harrisburg
    ’91 loss Central Dauphin
    ’04 & ’05 loss Bishop McDevitt

    Lehigh Valley
    ’80 & ’81 win Allentown Allen

    Western PA
    ’89 win Lock Haven
    ’98 win Hollidaysburg
    ’99 loss Hollidaysburg

    Out of State
    ’82 win Gonzanga – Wash DC
    ’85 loss Binghamton – NY
    ’90 loss Fairfield – Ohio
    ’92 & ’93 wins Bishop McNamara – Maryland
    ’94 & ’95 wins HD Woodson – Wash DC
    ’96 wins Woodson & Anacostia – Wash DC
    ’97 win Woodson – loss St. Ignatius – Ohio
    ’98 wins Anacostia & St. Ignatius
    ’99 win Vestal NY
    ’02 & ’03 wins Woodson

  66. John Robert says:

    @ No Horse

    Prep played Saucon Valley …a few years ago, SV had a great LINE and great backs…Prep keeped it close then SV revved it up…then SV beats Selingrove , then IMOHTEP HANGS 60 on SV in the FIRST HALF.

    D2 is definitely DOWN…

    I agree with you about “different teams”

    D3 Championship i like Wyomissing vs Middletown
    D4 Championship i like Danville vs Loyalsock
    D2 Championship i like Prep vs Western Wayne
    D11 Championship i like lehighton vs notre dame

    No real upsets , but these are some solid teams ..I gave notre dame the upset over Palisades (if ND is the 4th seed)

    Everything else should be true to form…

    Lets enjoy the last three weeks !

  67. John Robert says:

    @dawg pound

    oh , and FIVE shutouts! Veni, Vidi, Vici

  68. John Robert says:

    @dawg Pound

    Scranton Preps Defense has given up 51 ….THE best defense in District 2…Thank You

  69. WVWFAN says:

    @Dawg Pound

    If WVW plays to their potential it should be a very good game. If WVW play calling doesnt get better and/the team doesnt stay disciplined(penalties) then WVW in for a long night.

  70. TomF says:

    Berwick and St Ignatious played a home and home in 1997, 1998. Both schools were nationally ranked at the time. The 1997 game at St. Igs was a surprising blowout for St. Igs. The rematch in 1998 was a classic with Berwick hitting a field goal in the last minute of the game to win 30-28. Many attendees at that game…(not from Berwick) thought some home cooking aided the berwick win……2 personal fouls in the last minute against St. Igs.

  71. Dawg Pound says:

    What a return for Berwick qb Jared Marshman, in his first game from his his injury threw for 3 tds and 175 yards in barely 3 quarters in dawgs 36-0 win over Pittston. Friday hated rival WVW comes to Crispin.Look for Marshman to put up big numbers against the Spartans. Berwick defense, which is the best in d2 has only allowed 54 points this season.

  72. phillyboy says:

    Btw I meant to say St. Ignatius played Berwick a time or two, I believe. Anyway I should know better; took a week vacation to Cleveland a couple years ago. Iggy is actually located in the city, not far from the downtown. I arrived a little early the day of check-in, was killing some time walking around the neighborhood and looked up and whoa I saw St. Ignatius by chance. It has nice old architecture. Ended up watching one of their practices. They don’t play their actual games at the school though. There’s this huge stadium way out in Parma, it’s a hike. St. Edwards is in the suburb of Lakewood, incredibly nice, which is just outside of Cleveland to the west a few miles. They play their varsity games at the public high school in Lakewood.

  73. Run4daylight says:

    How Does SCA stack up to Neumann Goretti?

  74. phillyboy says:

    Thanks guys for all your tidbits regarding CB West regular season games against opponents outside of District 1 during their heyday.

    DV Warriors ….wow, very interesting, thanks for that info. As I suspected the regular seasons were pretty conventional back in the day. But they played Cardinal O’hara, AB Ryan and CV. Smoll mentioned that they played Easton a couple times at the beginning of the year. Might those have been just scrimmages? Yeah, could you please do the same thing for Berwick — list their regular season non-district games for their heyday. I’m pretty sure they played St. Edwards a time or two. Perhaps Berwick was a little more proactive in that regard.

    Buddy ….I’m a little surprised CB West never played any of the Public League teams. They should have played Frankford at some point. From what I understand Al Angelo was to Frankford what Mike Pettine was to CB West so to speak.

  75. No Horse says:

    @ John Robert

    It’s a weird year in 3A

    Jim Thorpe can score points. Their halfback is very good and they are quick all over the place. That being said, I think Lehighton will beat them fairly easily just before the playoffs start. Just too much fire power there. Both teams have to deal with Pottsville(4A) yet. If they both handle Pottsville as they should, it will make for a very interesting game to end the regular season.
    Palisades’ competition isn’t any better than Jim Thorpe’s or Lehighton’s. The Colonial league seems to be down this year across the board. ND is the only decent team that they’ve played all year and they barely escaped that one.
    District12 isn’t scaring anyone in 3A. 6A? sure. Not 3A though.

    Wyomissing is really the only team in Prep’s half of the bracket that has any quality wins and they haven’t looked that good either.

    It looks like an odd year in 3A. I think we’ll see some schools that we don’t usually see going deeper in the east this year.

  76. TomF says:

    Phillyboy, you can look at past playoff results for CB West. Their 2 titanic clashes with Erie Cathedral Prep in the finals are regarded as 2 of the greatest games in PIAA history. The talent on those 2 teams were unbelievable! ECP had the 1st game all but won except CB West blocked a punt and returned it for a touchdown in the last minute of the game. The Eastern final against Bethlehem Catholic had 30,000 people in attendance. CB West also had a 59 game unbeaten streak broken in the finals against Lavar Arrington and North hills. NH hit a touchdown pass with 25 seconds left and went for 2 and won. Just HS football at its best.

  77. Dave says:

    @Kevin X

    Regarding Southern Columbia’s remaining schedule, I’m not sure about Danville’s or Central Columbia’s chances, but Selinsgrove, if they remain healthy, should give them a good battle.

  78. HaroldSakata says:

    I think SCA would need to get by Neumann Goretti before Dunmore would even see them. At least if the brackets are the same as last year.

  79. Bob Hines says:

    Phillyboy it was well past their prime but I was at two St Joes Prep-CB West games in 01-02 and they split. Prep went on to win the CL both years but in ‘01 CB West was still a much better team in a down year. Those late 90’s teams would have steam rolled the Romans and LaSalles. They were seriously dominant.

  80. DV Warriors says:

    CB West, between 1970 and 2000, only played 11 teams outside of District 1 (non playoffs). They are as follows:

    ’82: win vs. AB Ryan
    ’83: wins vs. AB Ryan and Allentown Allen
    ’88: win vs. AB O’Hara
    ’89: loss vs. AB O’Hara
    ’90: win vs. AB O’Hara
    ’91: win vs. AB O’Hara
    ’92: win vs. AB O’Hara
    ’96: win vs. Cumberland Valley
    ’97: win vs. Cumberland Valley
    ’00: win vs. Titusville, Florida

    Berwick, in that same time, played 17 out of state games.

    Any other teams you would like to know about?

  81. John Robert says:


    Take a look at the Bracket…

    Prep will play District 4 first , then District 3, then IF and I mean IF , District 11 gets out versus District 12…Scranton Prep will be ready!
    Stars are healing, starters will be rested.. (Prep starters have sat a qtr in every game but the VV game.

    Prep’s offense is an enigma… Take what they give you philosophy

    Palisades is the Class of District 11…Jim Thorpe has played 1A and 2A schools!!

    Prep has the defense to stop and hold anyone…four shut outs to date! not too shabby

  82. bog says:

    in response to route54 and FbFan i follow d2 football and i root for all our teams. dunmore has been the best representative in the state playoffs over the years.(I still don’t understand how they lost to clairton in2012.} dunmore is not that good this year, this years team could not compete with the teams of previous years. they cannot run the ball which has been the trademark of the bucks. the qb is good and they have athletic wideouts,and the o-line is very good, but over-rated.Defense seems very good but it is hard to tell because the league is very weak this year and they have little competition..I think old forge might beat them in week 10. old forge plays a weak schedule as well but they seem to be improving every week. the weak schedule comment is not a knock on either team,more so a knock on the other teams that they play.there is some bad football being played by some teams in d2. i do not think dunmore can compete with so. columbia this year. old forge has a much easier path and i might expect them to go farther. good luck to all d2 teams. thank you.

  83. mark d says:

    i was not at the game but Scranton Prep had 400 yards and scored 35 points ? so what was wrong with the play calling ? it also kept Valley View offence off the field if i remember they had 276 yard but it was in only 27 plays that over 10 yards a play! i like to keep the ball away from that offence .as far as moving forward to the states yes i agree the offence mentality in D2 is still in the 80 they dont throw on first down the safety down in the box and it still power plays. Defense have no idea how to deal with a 4 and 5 recover formation becuse they never see it and on and on and hey tell me what games you going to and we all go out for a beer and talk about !!!!!

  84. Buddy says:


    It’s gonna be a mis-match ( Prep/LS).
    Actually, C’ville has MORE skill players then LS.
    LS line is better though. And yes, they won’t meet.


    PCL ( nor PPL) was not in the PIAA back then. SO CB West never met any of them. I don’t believe they played Lehigh Valley either, unless they made it to the state final.

  85. Michael Smoll says:


    Don’t remember any PCL teams, but started the season a few years against Easton, which is year in year out one of the better teams in the Lehigh Valley, also remember going to a game with my brother that was all hepped up, with Upper Darby (who papers said was ranked 12th in the state) at a time CB West was ranked #1. No contest.

  86. Jacob says:

    @FBfan & Route 54

    Dunmore has played some really bad teams lately and overall the division is down. Their line is good but the RB´s are not very impressive. I think the toll of playing against bigger players will hurt them once they get into the state playoffs. If they get any injuries on the O-line it will be huge.

  87. phillyboy says:

    Just for kicks I wanted to check out the year by year game results of CB West from the mid 70s to late 90s. I think the premier matchups at the beginning of the season are a relatively recent phenomenon. Wanted to see if CB West tangled with any of the PCL teams, Lehigh Valley powerhouses or whoever else back in the day. Anybody out there know if this information can be procured online?

  88. No Horse says:

    @Neutral Observer

    Scranton Prep is going to have issues come playoff time. There are 3 teams in D11 that can take them to the woodshed. They will need to make some serious changes before the post season if they want to get past that part of the bracket.

  89. prancer says:


    CVille will not beat LaSalle, they have way to many skills guys and a really good Line. They probably wont even play this year. Next Friday night is the game of the year, LaSalle/Prep… Gonna be great.

  90. phillyboy2 says:

    If Pine Richland wins the WPIAL Championship, they will WIN STATES! The whole east sucks!

  91. Chief Red Raider says:

    @ Clark31c

    It might be true the Ches-mont league overall is down this year, yet again a rebuilding D-town West team beat Neshaminy at their house (or Neshaminy would be undefeated), and C’ville mercy-ruled D-town West like they have with others (and D-town East put up 60 plus points against North Penn). Moreover, I can remember another time when people were saying C’ville wouldn’t be able to “hang” against LaSalle, but they won the game and went on to play in the championship game 🙂

  92. Kevin X says:

    My bad, sorry, that should be DTE, not DTW, in my D1 6A final four…….

  93. Kevin X says:

    Finally, Southern Columbia’s run of 8 weeks of scrimmages comes to an end (first 7 games, opponents combine record 13-36). Not saying that they will lose, or even be close, but thinking the SoCo starters may actually HAVE to play into the 4th qtr. the next 3 weeks (Danville, Central Columbia and Selinsgrove).

  94. Kevin X says:

    I’ll stick to my D1 6A final four of NP, Garnet, DTW, and C’Ville that I referenced a few weeks ago, yeah I know, not exactly going out on a limb here, but I’ll stick with it. Pennsbury, Neshaminy, Q-Town, Perk and Haverford are all sitting there pretty at 6-1, but not seeing anything spectacular from any of them. Like you guys are saying, who has played anybody, really?? NP has played probably the toughest schedule out there to date (in D1). DTE taking on an undefeated 5A Unionville Friday could be a nice prelude to the big one next week with C’Ville invading Kottmeyer. Team to watch out for/sleeper in D1 6A is Pennridge.

  95. Route 54 says:

    Fbfan, Dunmore defense only allowed 32 points this season. They basically blew out all of their opponents. I saw them play last year at Harman Geist stadium in Hazleton against York Catholic. Unfortunately,they fell short last year. I believe they returned loads of talent. I really don’t follow much of District 2. However, I would imagine they go 10-0 And eventually run into SCA. I’m hoping to see that matchup. I believe Dunmore can go real far this year. We shall see. I remember a few years back when Old Forge went against Southern and everyone predicted SCA would mercy rule Old Forge. Well, Old Forge walked out with a big win. I was there. The town of Old Forge showed up in Shamokin. Southern is loaded, and I am confident they can be beat. Their schedule is rather easy. Mt.Carmel slowed them down, so I would imagine it can be done by another team. Don’t underestimate Dunmore !

  96. frankie mc dermott says:

    hebron ex phila eagles football halfback s son played 77 yards last fri for neshaminy hs wa tch out next year tha nk y

  97. Buddy says:


    C’ville can and would beat LaSalle. But they won’t meet. Prep is once again another recruiting machine.

    I seen Pine-Richland play, they could beat Prep. I think those 2 will meet.

    @Uncle T

    yep, NP defense is the problem. Doubt if they resolve that by playoff time.
    Don’t mind Smoll, he gets carried away on occasion, especially if you have a differing opinion.

  98. Joe breeze says:

    Anyone have thoughts on archbishop Carroll? Curious to hear what the people have to say about their situation??

  99. Fbfan says:

    How good is dunmore?

  100. David Mika says:

    Buddy….Working on it.

  101. Buddy says:

    @ Mika

    Can you post the power points for D1?

  102. NCFALCONS82 says:

    Inter-AC league play starts this week. Looks like anyone can win it this year. My prediction: Haverford School

  103. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @ Uncle T

    Not much teams like Coatesville and Downingtown can do with the scheduling. There are stuck in the Ches-Mont and must play the likes of Avon Grove, Henderson, W.C. East and some of the Ches-Mont American league teams. There have been only a handful of Ches-Mont league games that have been decided by less than 14 points. It’s not fun seeing a 63-14 blowout of Cville against W.C. East, even worse is seeing a team like W.C. East not gain positive yardage until late in the 2nd quarter.

    Frankly unless your playing in the Suburban One league your behind the 8-ball right off the bat knowing you have multiple league games against AAAA or AAAAA teams.

    I think it’s time for D1 to reconsider the realignment of conferences for football for the benefit of all classifications.

  104. RC RED08 says:

    My God, how long will this putrid display of coaching go on at Roman??
    42-0 in the first QTR last night against SJP.
    And NO it wasn’t just a difference in talent. Roman shoots themselves in the foot weekly. Delay of game comes once a possession. Play calls come in extremely slow. QB runs miles to the sideline to get the play call. The HC calls the special teams and is heavily involved in the offense. 2 punt returns for TD’s in the first qtr. The Punter is 5 yards away from the center on punts and literally has 1 second to get the punt off. The offense had less than 100 yards of total offense AGAIN and maybe 3 first downs the entire game. They run 5 plays on offense and do nothing to change it up. I don’t believe they care at all.
    This is PATHETIC. I really feel sorry for those kids(those who are left).
    The largest male enrollment in the Archdiocese can only muster 39 kids on their football roster? Does anyone else seem to be confused as to what in the world is going on down there? As an Alum I can say with absolute certainty, I am disgusted. I will not be attending another game under this current regime. CLEAN HOUSE!

  105. David Mika says:

    Clark31c…When I post the ratings later it’s on there.

  106. Clark31c says:

    Does anybody know when the state championship dates are ?

  107. Neutral Observer says:

    @ neutralfan:

    Here you go, buddy.


  108. Clark31c says:

    I got news for ya the Chestmont league where the Dtowns and the Coatesville play anymore are weak…really no good strong teams for them to go against to really see how good they really are..and for the playoffs that’s the different animal…im a district 1 fan by far and follow alot of games..but I don’t think Coatesville could ever hang with Prep or LaSalle…but time will see…

  109. Neutral Observer says:

    @ neutralfan:

    Am I 60 years old or do I play video games all day? In my experience, the two do not often overlap.

    Perhaps the saddest and most telling part of your grammatically-deficient posts was that you seem to consider “counters, dives, reverses” to be a video game offense.

    Unfortunately, this sentiment is far too common in District 2. I’m a huge D2 fan and it frustrates me to see all of the tremendous talent wasted because of antiquated coaching philosophies. I know I’m not alone in this frustration because it goes well beyond Scranton Prep.

    No one is disputing Scranton Prep’s tremendous success. Coach Terry Gallagher has done PHENOMENAL things with that defense. Obviously, the “three yards and a cloud of dust” works in the friendly confines of D2.

    However, I want to see D2 have success at the STATE level. Scranton Prep is D2’s best chance. Old Forge won’t get past Bishop G. Dunmore won’t get past Southern Columbia. Berwick/Valley View won’t get past Imhotep Charter. The 6A schools can’t compete against the Philadelphia private schools.

    I will continue rooting for Scranton Prep. I just hope that, for the sake of the kids, Prep re-thinks the offense.

  110. Uncle T says:

    Mike Smoll,

    I was talking more about the North Penn defense, and should have clarified that. Their offense always commands respect, so I thought it would be more obvious that the points they were allowing were a reason to pump the brakes a bit.

    I’m definitely not slamming them- as my other posts about NP show. They’ll be a tough matchup for anyone in D1. If you asked me at this point, I’d say they’re neck and neck with Garnet Valley, just behind DTown East and Coatesville.

  111. Uncle T says:

    @ phillyboy

    I’m not sure how much you can read into the results of those backyard rivalry games. DTown West played probably as well as they will all season against an arch-rival that’s clearly better than them.

    What is apparent is that DTown East and Coatesville have played 2 of the easiest schedules so far out of the top teams. They each had 1 tough out of conference game (North Penn for East, and Cumberland Valley for Coatesville), but not much other than that.

    D1 could be wide open this year, with 8 teams having a legitimate chance to take it. Looks like some really good games will come around in the 2nd round.

  112. Mike Smoll says:

    @Uncle T, Stomped? Really do you have any clue what you are talking about? Yes they lost by 13 to LaSalle in the 1st game of the season, but it was a 6 point game with less than 2 minutes left. And Downingtown East beat them by 17 and scored 14 of those points in the last 4 or 5 minutes. Like I just told Dale, I’m not a North Penn fan, but they are without a doubt at this point of the year a top 5 or 6 team in District 1, which isn’t bad for a team who only returned 8 starters from last year. You don’t need to slam, just enjoy the games and the kids who play them.

  113. Mike Smoll says:

    @Dale, first of all I am NOT a North Penn fan, secondly, I can’t think of a public school who has a better record over the last 10 years, and oh yeah, last year they were the only team in the state that stayed on the field with St. Joe’s Prep, lastly this is for the most part a young team, who will in all likelihood play in District 1 semi’s. And I guess you have a problem with kids having some fun with it’s Knight Time? Relax enjoy the games…..

  114. neutralfan says:

    @neutral observer. When your done coaching your Madden season with all your counters, dives, reverses, etc. maybr you can get on preps coaching staff to help them win games. Oh, I forgot they are 7-0, 19-2 last 21. Nice to know there are such knowledgeable people out there.

  115. neutralfan says:

    @neutral observer. Your another joke who knows absolutely nothing about football. Your probably 60 yrs old living in your mommy and daddys basement playing on your computer. You were probably a loser in school and feel the need to rip on scranton prep bc your another jealous loser. Stick to video games old man.

  116. Bleed Red & Black says:


    I might be a little biased being a Cville alum but I sorta agree with your sentiment regarding Dtown East. They are not going to be able to run for 300 yards against Coatesville. They are going to make Lauletta beat them through the air, which might prove difficult with Avery Young locking down their best receiver. I don’t remember seeing much Stocker in the 40-7 game last year, so he might be somewhat of an X factor. I fully expect a similar result to last year with Coatesville winning by at least 2 Td’s.

    North Penn in the playoffs, especially at home is a different animal. I still think they will be major players come D1 playoff time. Haven’t seen them personally, but by the looks they are struggling on defense, but they have the playmakers like Henley to put points up on most teams and keep it close.

    As for Coatesville, their defense has greatly improved from Week 0 against Gratz to this point in the season. Rustin who averages close to 250 yards on the ground could do nothing against them. They will play man on the outside and load the box to stop the run unless you prove to them that you are a well balanced team. On offense it’s literally pick your poison. Ricky Oretga, Aaron Young, Avery Young, Dupree Bryant, Mekhi Alexander and Kahtero Summers all have game breaking and big play ability. Eric Kirk their backup RB could be a starter for most team in the area and is rumored to be the fastest player on the team at 6’2 200lbs. Most teams in D1 cannot account for the amount of speed at the skill positions. They’ve cut down on the penalties, which killed them in the loss to Cumberland Valley. They are going to be a tough out in the playoffs and would love to see a Cville/ SJP Eastern Final.

  117. AJ says:

    Public VS Private…..More like Boundaries (public) VS NO Boundaries (private,AKA MONEY TALKS)….NOT just football either.

    I am willing to bet this is across every sport boys and girls throughout the state/(country even???)

    a pretty bow and wrapping paper on dog poop? So what, it is still dog poop at the core once all the pretty packaging is removed. Correct? Lip stick and a dress on a pig? So what, it is still a pig at the core. Correct? Stop and think about it.

    No matter what person wants to defend Preps football. Redeemer softball. Sem Wrestling…Pick the NO boundary school. Pick the NO boundary sport and gender… It applies here.

    Strip off all the pretty bows and packaging (big and fancy words )that everyone Parents, Administrators, Coaching Staff, Students, Media, will use to make the NO boundary schools sound so pure and innocent. And hope most everyone believes that it is just the “innocent effort and dedication” of the personnel and coaching staff’s that makes the success of theses programs a success….Again this applies to any school, any sport, any gender.

    Once all that is stripped away. At the core of this debate what is left? What is left is. For the Large majority of public schools defined by hard boundaries and tight budgets. You do with what gene pool is dealt your program. And with the right mix of support, coaching, hard work, and blessing of talent. Maybe you have a chance for a few seasons. And for the VERY VERY VERY few. Maybe you found the perfect combo and have a strong run for a few years. But a very large part of it all deals with what do the boundaries of the gene pool hold for you?

    And for the private schools that have NO boundaries. All said in the above paragraph does apply here too. With one variation.. Private schools have a gene pool the world over. That is only bound by how deep the school is willing to reach into their pockets and support that program by any means necessary. Go google 2008 and 2010 GIRLS FH state champs.

    I’m not saying they should not do that/Be allowed to do that. If they wish to spend the money/invest resources that hard into any sports program to buy the rings. Go ahead!! it is the Schools/Booster’s money. Spend it as they see fit. As long as not ONE PENNY of public money goes into it. Off you go… Win 100 football titles in a row. If someone wants to stop you bad enough. Invest as much resources if not more than the other guy. and take it away from them. Just like MLB NFL or NBA.

    HOWEVER do it in your own privately funded league. NOT the PIAA. Or if your backed by the PIAA. the no boundary schools pay for the PIAA to administer the entire thing without the public money.

    When Prep or Redeemer or Sem or ANY private school. Takes kids from a pre determined geographical area relative to the size of what is equal to the size of all public schools they compete against. And STILL see all the same success they currently do. Than people can start beating a drum of any other kind. But any sane person knows that can NEVER happen. So what is the answer?

    Rather simple… Private schools of the no boundary no public money sort go spend a fraction of your private money and determine all your sports champs in your own league administered with your own money and rules.

    The Public schools bound by public money and boundaries will follow the rules of their own..

    Private school supporters. I have no problem with you doing what you do. What I propose would end this whole public vs private debate for ever..But if you don’t wish to do that. Please stop trying to get me to buy a bag of dog S&!T by telling me it is pure Hershey Chocolate.

  118. Mike A. says:

    @ Jay
    “But Coatesville is putting up POINTS on teams this year.”

    Who couldn’t against that schedule? Beat a bunch of patsies and move up in the polls. ZERO POINTS and less than 50 total yards of offense in the 2nd half against CV. State College was also blowing people out scoring 45-70 points/game until they had a reality check against a quality opponent and only managed 7 points in 3 1/2 quarters before mop up time against CV, a team with a good defense and CV isn’t even a great team but they are a quality team compared to what Coatesville has been playing lately.

  119. phillyboy says:

    I don’t know about Downingtown East, I think they’re paper tigers. If they want to assert themselves as the top dog in the east, you can’t be going through the motions against a slightly better than mediocre team. Let’s be frank: a 28-14 win against D West is lame. It’s looking like a Coatesville/SJP eastern final — which would actually be pretty intriguing. There’s that outside chance Parkland could get in there. They might be a quietly building storm, we’ll see.

  120. Neutral Observer says:

    @ the fake NeutralObserver

    A “zone read” is when the QB “reads” the defense and then makes the decision to either keep the ball or hand off to the RB. The VV defense was keying on RB#3 and he just kept getting the ball. That is a pre-determined draw. Or, if it actually was supposed to be a zone-read, then the coaches should have been in the QB’s ear after the first 40 carries.

    I think you’re missing the point. The Scranton Prep kids played well DESPITE the play calls. If those 64 running plays had been a better mix of dives, powers, counters, tosses, sweeps, reverses, etc, then Prep could (should) have had 400 yds rushing with RB#3 (a beast), QB#9 (athlete), and that massive offensive line.

  121. Buddy says:


    Except they didn’t follow your script the past couple of years, and they couldn’t care less about their conference record.

  122. Jay says:

    Downingtown East vs West was fun to be at this year. 7-0 East is about to be tested the next two weeks against Unionville and then Coatesville. Both home games. But Coatesville is putting up POINTS on teams this year.

  123. Dale says:

    @ Mike Smoll

    Don’t get too pumped about your N Penn. This is most often the N Penn season:

    Get stomped on by a better team or two to open.

    Steamroll through the conference (which SHOULD happen because of the sheer size of the enrollment).

    All the N Penn fans get beer muscles. “It’s Knight Time Baby!”

    Get stomped on again at the end by better teams. (“yeah but did you see our conference record?!”)

    Reality can be ignored, but not forever. Only usually in October.

  124. NeutralObserver says:

    64 carries for 295 yds. rushing.
    11/24 152 yds passing.
    447 yds of offense.

    Pretty balanced and effective play calling.

    Those “shotgun/HB draw” plays were zone read plays.

    QB for prep had 40+ yd TD run

    Hard to stop the run when the defense is all spread out.

  125. Neutral Observer says:

    To clarify my other post, the Valley View coaching was also atrocious. Let’s not give the VV coaches a free pass just because the Prep offensive coaches were also terrible.

  126. Neutral Observer says:

    RE: Scranton Prep v. Valley View

    I disagree with the statement that Prep “outcoached” Valley View. I was amazed at how poor the Scranton Prep offensive play-calling was. Prep won DESPITE the offensive play calls. WAY too many shotgun/HB draw plays. I GUESS it was technically a run/pass option, but the QB kept it so infrequently that the Valley View defense didn’t really need to pay attention to the QB. Prep went Power-I some, but not as much as they should have given their personnel.

    If Scranton Prep wants to make any noise at the state level, they need to re-think the offensive strategy. Yes, obviously they should be a run-first/defensive team, but if you want to see how to do that, go find out how many shotgun/HB draws Dunmore runs a game.

  127. JoePa says:

    To TOM F.

    You as usual mentioned inaccurate information once again. Wilson never ever backed out of the Tri-Scrimmage with BC and Boone. They had a schedule with another school from York County. But Governor Mifflin was in need of a zero week game to complete a ten game season so Wilson agreed to allow the York school to play Mifflin. If BC wants to compete with a higher caliber of schools then they need to adjust their PIAA designation in Football to 5A or 6A . Then those schools will be more than happy to accommodate them. As it stands today the power points systems in districts dictates a lot of schedule decisions. In the Reading Eagle this morning Mike Drago has a article regarding Berks Catholics dilemma. Suggest reading his opinion. Also why is it that the game wins/loss from district schools are delayed submission in D-3 fan poll rankings. It makes to sense to me for a mere minute or less a school does not report scores until 4/5 days after the end of the game. D-3 should penalize the school that are not responsive to the rules of reporting. I would penalize the school power points for failure to report. Then they will get the point !!!!

  128. Uncle T says:

    @ Buddy,

    Agreed on Garnet Valley. They seem to have taken over Ridley as the best highest-classification program from that league. I thought they’ve been just a product of a possibly weak schedule (half of their league is 5A), but they destroyed Neshaminy and Perk Valley last year with the same scheme they still run and many of the same players. They just couldn’t handle Udinski and Johns last year in that D1 final, like everybody. For what it’s worth, I think North Penn was the best team in the East last year- Udinski just had his worst game of the year at the worst time (not taking anything away from Prep’s D).

    NP/GV would be a great matchup this year, but both of them are still a level below Dtown East and Coastesville in my opinion.

  129. Jon Robert says:

    @mark d

    I say the same thing about talent and coaching

  130. John Robert says:

    @Blakely Bear…

    or maybe it was just a roughing the passer penalty that was correctly called.

    I can sit down and analyze the film with you if you like and show you that VV had 12 offensive plays total in second half…why did that happen?

    Prep COACHES made adjustments…and VV COULDNT STOP PREP.

    Now with tissues, you need pepto bismol.

    “Hard Work beats talent, when Talent doesnt work hard” or in this case When Talent isnt coached!!!!!

    couldnt be right?

  131. mark d says:

    @john Robert and Blakely the refs are the refs over the years i felt that valley view was on the short ends of the calls but hey if it called it called if it not it not you still have to live with it and move on.Fact is good or bad calls two flags go different Valley View is probable 5-1 and not 3 and 3 . in my opinion Valley view problem walk the side lines not on the field. both team will make the playoff so we will see from their !

  132. Blakey Bear says:

    John Robert
    Let me guess, you’re a Prep fan! Read my post you!re referring to. I was responding to a post that declared local refs have negative bias toward Prep because of public/private thing. I never said Refs gave Prep game, merely that key call in game was roughing passer, which I guess if refs are biased toward Prep, they wouldn’t have got. Read posts before you comment, and put the crybaby comments where they belong, in the trash.

  133. Buddy says:

    @ uncle T:

    That’s about right. The 2 toughest teams they played they lost. DTE & C’ville are the teams to beat in D1.

    Ol’ Garnet valley does come up with some good teams! I’m impressed. Don’t know if they have a tough schedule or not. Made the D1 final last year.

  134. Jhon Robert says:

    @Blakely Bear

    Let me guess, you’re a Valley View Fan…?? Valley View has the biggest crybaby fans I ever seen.

    Got some still crying about QB roughing call…tissues are found in aisle 6 !

    Now some real comment…The Center and Sophomore Tackle on the VV offensive line have great technique and did a great job. Defensively the stand up ends did great also…

    I think they have the talent to win the District Title. I saw Berwick earlier this season…they are not that good! Good Line but they barely beat a dallas team!

    Good Luck ! You cant win them all…If VV could have put the game away they could be 6-0 (like Prep)

  135. UncleT says:

    @Mike Smoll,

    North Penn has played about half of the best the East has to offer. They got smoked by LaSalle and DTown East, while the Prep, Coatesville, and maybe Garnet Valley are all still out there. Suburban One has been down the past couple of years too, so I don’t think you can put too much stock in their wins against CB West and South.

    NP could be a tough matchup for early round D1 games, but DTown East and Coatesville are the clear favorites in that district this year.

  136. Kevin X says:

    @ Tom F

    I agree, seeing BC and WWL in Berks 1 would be an improvement. Demote Weiser (being 4A) or one of the perennial weaker larger schools to Berks 2, you’d have an 8 team B1, and a 6 team B2, makes for easier scheduling.

    I think the likes of Wilson refusing to play BC is because BC is only 4A. Not as many all important power ranking points at stake there compared to playing a larger, better school. WWL has Gov Mifflin (5A), Spring-Ford (6A) and CD (6A) on their non-conference schedule. Not exactly cupcakes.

    @ Jeff, I agree, our newly formed Berks 1 would be a nice competitive conference, but hardly among the state elites. Also, it might of even been you, saying that many of the D10 schools volunteered to play “up” to 5A to avoid ECP. Still SMH over that one. Yes, ECP should be playing 5A, the others back where they belong. We’ll see what happens next year.

    Wondering if Imhotep is regretting their decision to play up in 4A. Thinking if they remained at 3A, they would of taken the 3A championship last year, and probably again this year for what would of been 3 titles in a row. So some kudos for them for moving up and seeking more of a challenge. Word to you guys (Becahi, Bartram, D2 rep), better get to them this year, because they are going to be another monster next year unless they have more key Albie defections.

  137. TEPALUMI says:

    I think for PIAA to be great they should make a elite class for the top 32 teams and in this elite class allow only teams playing in the elite 32 to recruit threw out the state of PA nobody would complain bout the elite 32 cause its even playing ground for all 32 this will allow schools to compete at a all time high level. Also this would make the playing ground even for teams remaining in A-6A classification cuz all power houses would be in the elite classification. Also would help PA high school football compete against better against other states elite talents.

  138. mark d says:

    @John Roberts i agree as i said was not at the game but i have been to many Valley View got out coached espicaly in the 4th quarter from what i being told said in the beginning of the year 8-2 9-1 talent 6-4 5-5 record .

  139. phillyboy says:

    For football it’s a little debatable what area is the best depending on the factors but for wrestling I’d say it’s a slam dunk: the Lehigh Valley. The Lehigh Valley is no joke, you got Easton, Bethlehem Catholic, Nazareth among others. You could even include Phillipsburg in there; although it’s in NJ still seems to be part of the LV culturally.

  140. Jeff says:

    @ Tom F – in the unlikely event BC and Wilson ever move to Berks 1 and form the conference you mentioned that would certainly be a good conference, but rival any in the state is a bit of a stretch to say the least. I can think of 3 off the top of my head who are much better, the Mid-Penn Commonwealth in your own home district, as noted by Kevin X., PCL Red as mentioned by Buddy, and the Northern 7 in the WPIAL which includes PR, PCC, North Allegheny, and Penn Hills, which have won a combined 8 state titles at the highest classification.

    I’m sure the guys in D1 and D11 would also say those districts have conferences that are better than the conference you proposed, so I think your comment they would rival any in the state is a bit over the top.

  141. Mike Smoll says:

    Just a note, North Penn is right where they want to be, they have played the 3 toughest teams in their division (back to back to back) and have played the best the East has to offer. They’ve made adjustments (primarily on the defensive side) and will not be an easy out for Anyone in District 1. As they like to say, it’s Knight Time.

  142. Jeff says:

    @ Tom F – I completely agree ECP should be playing 5A, I’m from Western Pa. and have made that argument on the Western boards for the last 2 years. They were 1 under the enrollment limit for 4A, and as a private school they can massage the enrollment numbers, I’m not accusing the school of anything, but seems fishy to me.

    A school with their tradition should be playing 5A, they are one of the elite programs in the state. I for one would love to see them in 5A and play Harrisburg in the semis and if they beat them AW in the final, ECP is every bit as good as both of those teams, and both games would be tremendous.

    ECP is better than last year, so BC better be improved if they have any hope of beating them, I stand by my prediction ECP will win that game by at least 2 TD’s, time will tell, and if BC somehow wins I’ll be the first one on this board to congratulate you.

  143. Footballdad99 says:

    TE/DE stop playing underdog. When one of the other teams beats LS/Prep/Wood then we’ll talk. That league is a grinder, and of course tough games for the top three when they play each other. But right now LS is guaranteed 4 wins..when that changes we will play the violin for your tough tough goings.

  144. Tom F says:

    Kevin X, BC does play a weak schedule, not by design….none of the area large school powerhouses will play them, and that includes several in neighboring Montgomery County. They had the same schedule last year and rolled up 400 yards against Erie Cathedral Prep last year in the State Semi’s. This years BC team is better than last years. I expect them to get by a talented Bishop McDevitt team in D3 and have a rematch with ECP in the Semi’s again. BTW, how did ECP wind up in 4A? New Math?

  145. Tom F says:

    JoePa, Wilson,Boone and BC had a tri-scrimmage last year, Wilson pulled out this year. Why? To scrimmage who? That Powerhouse West York, then replaced by another Powerhouse Reading high. BC AD Hess is 0-36 trying to get teams to play them next year. And some very big name schools said no. How about this, BC moves up to section 1 in Berks, Wilson moves over to Section 1 Berks. Wilson, Governor Mifflin, Exeter and BC would rival any football conference in the State.

  146. mark d says:

    @Kevin X i think it a toss up between all 4 of those teams any ones game !!!!! I like Valley View because of their speed

  147. mark d says:

    @neutral the more people i talk to seem they are under the impression that the refs handed Prep the game . like i said winner love then the looser has a problem with them.I wish Prep good luck the rest of the way hopeful they can make some noise in the states ,as for Valley View they still have a lot to play for.

  148. TE/DE #82 says:

    HAHA Buddy so it’s only tough for the other 4 teams? Easy for LaSalle to draw Prep and Wood every year? LOL

  149. Kevin X says:

    @ daryl

    Mid-Penn Commonwealth is not exactly EZ-Street (Cumberland Valley, Harrisburg, State College, Central Dauphin, CD East).

  150. Jeff says:

    There is a distinct possibility the 4A semi-finalists will be the same as last year, with ECP playing Berks Catholic in the western half of the bracket and Becahi playing Imhotep on the eastern side. I agree with Kevin X. that ECP is on a different level than the other teams in 4A, I think they’ll beat Berks by at least the 2 TD’s they did last year. but I think Becahi might beat Tep, they played them tough last year and actually led in the 2nd half before losing 24-13.

    IMO ECP is one of the top 3-4 teams in the state regardless of classification, and I will be very surprised if anyone beats them this year.

  151. John Robert says:

    @Kevin X

    Valley View has enough talent to beat North Pocono, that being said I would say for 4A

    Valley View vs Berwick is the District Title Game.

    Unless VV suffers another coaching lapse.

  152. John Robert says:

    @Neutral Observer, Blakely Bear, Mark D

    PS.. all the team speed in the conference= 3-3, gotta be able to coach the talent you’re blessed with.

    Instead of belly aching about the roughing the QB penalty ask your coach why you had 3 DB’s in on 4th and 13th, 4th and 9, and 4th and 6??

  153. John Robert says:

    @ Kevin X, Neutral Observer, Blakely Bear, Mark D.

    What I am about to comment on doesn’t have significant bearing on the outcome…Two brothers who start lost their dad the beginning of the week, it was the one year anniversary that Prep lost their coach on the sideline at VV, prep also lost three starters to injuries.

    Heres some food for thought:
    When you play a 4-4 defense one or two guys out of position creates holes with minimal blocking effort needed. Speed was NOT the issue as was the gaping holes created my mis-placed linemen!

    The referees had alot of trouble in this game..plays on both sides being “called down by contact”, mysterious holding calls, and spots that were ridiculous.

    But one of you said it crystal clear, the second half VV was 100% out coached.

    The most ridiculous thing on the Prep side was asked…Why didnt Howanitz GO FOR TWO to make up the blocked extra point???

    VV ran 12 offensive plays in the Second Half…The Prep Offense couldnt be stopped.

    Prep’s Defense held the high octane VV offense to 277 yds….half of which came on three plays.

    The BETTER TEAM won Saturday…Make that 5 in a ROW…there is a reason why VV is 3-3…Every year they have talent to SPARE…just like Wyoming Area in the WVC…Look to the coaches..

  154. Footballdad99 says:

    @buddy you said a mouthful. It must be tough on the other schools knowing the top is not only really good, but perennial state champs.

  155. JoePA says:

    To TOM F.
    Man you have to get your information more accurate. In the case of Wilson not having a scrimmage with BC is totally false. Wilson had an agreement to scrimmage West York but they backed out to have a first game with Governor Mifflin so Reading High was readily available which makes common sense to me to replace West York. If BC is a strong team as you seem to feel, then they have the opportunity to toughen their non conference schedules but do not and stay in the Berks League with only Mifflin as a power program. Exeter has up and down cycles but that’s it……So lets be fair if you are going to comment on something be sure, certainly sure your facts are accurate.

  156. Kevin X says:

    @ D2 folks

    Best 4A team right now: Bewick or Valley View??

    Honorable mentions: Dallas and North Pocono (3 and 4 seeds??)

  157. Kevin X says:

    @ TomF

    My two points are:

    1. BC plays a weak schedule
    2. They will get their lunch handed to them by ECP. ECP is on a completely different plane (even tho I do hope BC pulls off a minor miracle if they do so indeed meet-up in the semi’s again)

    Question: Can anyone challenge BC in the D3 4A playoffs??

  158. Neutral Observer says:

    @ Blakely Bear

    After the game, my gut told me the Valley View kids absolutely 100% outplayed the Scranton Prep kids on Saturday. I was shocked when I saw the box score after (VV 285 total yds; SP 447). I said “superior” because (a) Scranton Prep is ranked higher, and (b) I think if they played 10 games, Prep would probably win 7 or 8. But Valley View was the better team on Saturday.

    You may be right about me sitting on the Scranton Prep sideline and hearing all of the boos. The buzz at the game was that the 4th quarter roughing the passer was the final straw for a few earlier non-calls on QB hits. Prep’s starting QB (#9, don’t know his name but looks like a tough kid) had his helmet ripped off on a QB sneak and took a few questionable hits on the Prep sideline.

    @ mark d:

    It looks like Valley View had 6 for 47, Scranton Prep had 7 for 77. So pretty close in number of flags thrown, but pretty disparate in yardage.

    All in all, it was a PHENOMENAL, hard-fought game. Both teams left it all on the field and all the kids should be proud.

  159. daryl says:

    @ buddy i agree

  160. Buddy says:

    PCL red division if you’re anyone BUT Prep, LS or Wood.

  161. mark d says:

    @Neutral was not at the game but the paper had the penalty yards equal ? As i said was not their. but was told that prep super defense could not handle Valley View speed. Also was told that as usual Valley View got out coached especially in the 4th quarter it was good game as for the refs winner usually love them losers usually hate them.

  162. OwlBDamn says:

    @ TomF Why do you have such a hard-on for Imhotep. Last I checked, the Philadelphia Public Schools are the most underfunded school district in this nation compared to the state public counterparts. Yet lames like you come on forums to attack them. Sounds a bit personal. Imhotep Charter has sent a great amount of students and student-athletes to post secondary institutions.

    The fact of this is that there’s been a Phila. public school that broke the mold. Won a state title. So, not only does SJP and Wood pose a threat year to year but this little mighty public charter school is also a perennial threat. So, instead of doing your research or taking a trip to visit the school, dweebs like you throw shade from afar from your ivory tower.

    Fret not, Berks Catholic won’t get to Erie Cath Prep. BeCa vs Imhotep rematch might be the one. If it happens to be Berks Catholic, Tep will hand them their return addresses back home.

  163. TomF says:

    Kevin X, Governor Mifflin refuses to play BC. I wonder why? Wilson? BC would beat them by 3 touchdowns this year and they also backed out of a scrimmage with BC after BC took it to them last year. Wilson instead opted to scrimmage that powerhouse Reading high. And BTW, Wyo will also get Mercy ruled by BC.

  164. Blakely Bear says:

    @Neutral Observer
    Concerning the VV/Prep game. Are you serious? Prep beat the refs too? Maybe cause you sat on the Prep side, you heard all the boos if every call didn’t go their way. I was at the game too. Yes, there were a few calls earlier in the game that could have gone either way, but the key call was in mid 4th quarter that Prep got on a roughing the passer call on an interception which probably would have salted game away. VV would have ball near midfield with 13 point lead. Not to mention 2 holding calls on successive plays on Vv later in 4th which forced them to punt, leading to Prep’s winning score. Not saying they weren’t holding, but Prep got the calls. These calls were at key points of game. As far as being superior, maybe so, but it took a fourth down pass with 54 seconds to play for Prep to win. VV couldn’t stop Prep’s power game, and Prep couldn’t stop VV speed. So please stop with the Prep business of being resented by the officials.

  165. daryl says:

    whats the toughest division in the east to play in?

  166. Neutral Observer says:

    @ Kevin X

    Great shout out to Western Wayne! That program has really turned around the last 5 years or so. Coach Randy Wolff has done a great job.

    @ mark d:

    I went to the Game of the Week which was Valley View @ Scranton Prep game on Saturday(sat on Prep side). You had previously mentioned that a lot of people in District 2 have a problem with Prep. Did we see that resentment manifested in the officiating of the game?

    I saw a lot of missed calls which would have gone against VV and a lot of bad spots hurting Prep. Valley View played one HECK of a game against a superior team, so I want to give those kids all the credit in the world, but, from what I saw, Prep basically beat both the Cougars and the refs.

  167. Mike Smoll says:

    Well, have to say my hometown Quakertown Panthers have shocked the heck out me, in what everyone considered to be a down year or at best a rebuilding year, they sit at 5-1. More amazing to me is a HS team coming from behind in back to back weeks (15 and 17 points worth) on the road against two pretty good teams. Very young and probably not going to make any noise in the District play, but with nearly everyone back next year, it’s been an amazing run so far.

  168. Kevin X says:

    @ TomF

    Really?? Exeter?? They are an average to OK team. Who has BC played?? Not exactly a murderous row type of schedule they are working through this year. Only really good team there is Wyo. How about stepping it up and playing Wilson or Mifflin, they are right in your backyard. Won’t be close against ECP.

  169. TomF says:

    Berks Catholic absolutely destroyed Exeter, a perennial Disrict 3 5A playoff team 48-7, and it wasn’t even that close. Exeter came in with 2 tough losses to 6A Spring Ford and 5A Governor Mifflin, 2 very good programs. I am starting to think that Erie Cathedral Prep just might have some competition in 4A this year.

  170. Mike A. says:

    Central Dauphin holds of Cumberland Valley at the CD 2 yard line to preserve a 20-14 victory. Claims first victory over CV in last 6 attempts. Great Mid Penn game.

  171. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, hope you don’t mind if I jump in here with some actual football talk.

    Western Wayne. Raise your hand if you have heard of this school if you’re outside of D2. Bet most of you have never heard of, let alone be able pin point the school on a map. Shout out and kudos to a 6-0 start to the 3A D2 school. Hope you guys can keep it up and continue rolling against the buzz saw portion of your schedule: North Pocono, Scranton Prep and Valley View over the next three weeks. But whatever the results, nice season guys regardless!!!

  172. Frank G says:

    @ Bob Hines No, the great majority of the Jersey kids who go to SJP would not even consider Roman. Most would go to Bishop Eustace, Camden Catholic, Paul VI or Holy Cross. Some would go to a Jersey public school. SJP has always drawn a fair number of students, including football players, from Jersey. Roman has never had more than one or two here and there.

  173. TomF says:

    Bob Hines, take a look at what schools Imhotep has had their star transfers come from…..St. joe prep, Father Judge, Archbishop Wood, West Catholic, Goretti as well as many good Public school football programs. Tep is nothing but a sports school and one of the worst schools academically in the City. Charter Schools in my opinion, have ruined Education in Philadelphia. Remember back in the day it was Frankford and North and no one complained about education, I miss those days.

  174. Bob Hines says:


    No I didn’t take any exception to your post, sir. Your argument is sound and make sense. I was talking to the habitual complainers of the board who think they have the Philadelphia public schooling system all figured out. It’s just a bit more complicated than some people make it sound. Frustrates me to no end.


    Okay. That takes out two schools-SJP and LaSalle. Then they all go to Wood. Roman gets all the Jersey kids SJP does. Your “scholarship” solution isn’t going to change anything just change the hands in power.

  175. TomF says:

    Brian, your quote is part of the problem-“Athletes in the philly area transfer from year to year. I’ve seen some talented play for 3 different teams in 4 years in the philly and Pittsburgh area” Multiple transfers is the 1st thing that should be outlawed in the PIAA

  176. Buddy says:

    Imhotep is a Charter school. Not under the same rules that tax based public schools are.

    Hines: the kid can go to Gratz. If you live in south philly, and wanna go to Roxborough high, you can, & visa versa. No boundaries WITHIN PPL, and shouldn’t be. PIAA would never mess with that and won’t.

    NO, the kid from methacton should not be allowed to go to NP and play sports, unless he lives in NP area. If that was the case, NP would try to suck up all the talent in the area, from Souderton, Pennridge, Quakertown, CB West etc.

    They would be no better the SJP, LS and Wood. Actually, they probably would . But they would be just another “recruiting” school.

    BTW, been around public school football for 70 years

  177. Frank G says:

    @ phillyboy You are assuming that there are scholarships given to students at the Prep based only on their athletic abilities. There are students who are key parts of the football team who receive no scholarships / financial aid because their families can pay the full tuition. And there are many, many students who don’t go near a football field who receive full or nearly full scholarships because their families don’t have much money. I’m not saying athletic ability / potential is not a factor in the amount of some students’ scholarships, but the amounts are less than many people think. For instance, a kid who’s a promising football player and who’s from a family with a modest income may pay $4K rather than $5.5K in tuition. (Full tuition is over $20K, and the $5.5 figure would be a result of an assessment of the family’s financial situation.) The family is still making a significant sacrifice to send their son to the Prep.

  178. Run4daylight says:

    @phillyboy, your comments have so many under tones its crazy you hit the submit button.

  179. Bob Hines says:

    Yeah Buddy I know how it works been around public league football over 50 years. I’m telling you why there will never be a boundary system in the public league. Too many moving parts. That kid should have every right to go to Gratz. Thing is I don’t care about the suburban public boundaries either. Let that kid go to North Penn if he wants.

  180. mark d says:

    @Frank G you asked if people had a problem i said yes and why. i didn’t say i believed it to be true
    @neutral i think Valley view give them a tough game but they will get out coached prep 21-14

  181. John Robert says:

    Scranton Prep does not accept transfer after sophomore year.

    I have been associated with that program for the last 6 seasons in that I have athletes that play.

    This year starters have ONE sophomore. The senior class have TWO three year letter winners. Most of the feeder schools are parochial where they DO not have junior high football programs, ergo, most kids in the Prep program start playing football ion 9th grade.

    While students at Scranton Prep may live in several different school districts.(19 to be exact) Most of these student athletes went to parochial elementary schools and middle schools.

    The coaching of these young men is truly the difference. Consistency! The same Freshmen Coaches for 10 plus seasons. Same coaching staff 8 seasons. my kids had the same coaches, none different.

    if they actively recruited , offered scholarships, they would be more powerful than a southern columbia, imothep , NG, name it. Especially since Scranton, West Scranton, Dunmore and Old Forge are within 10 miles of the school

  182. phillyboy says:

    One thing that would end the talent advantage of the elite private teams is if they did not permit scholarships to be doled out for athletic purposes. There’s a lot of talented kids that would not attend SJP etc. if their family had to pay the tuition. The tuition is crazy expensive. That would solve the problem real quick. Even so, Prep would still be good but not SO dominant.

    Btw, I don’t care if it’s technically ‘financial aid’ or whatever you want to call it, the bottom line is that their is a major break on tuition that undoubtedly is very generous. And who is donating all the financial aid, a cadre of very rich alumni who want to “buy” championships? It’s cheesy, pure pepper jack.

  183. Footballdad99 says:

    Bob Hines I hope you weren’t taking exception to my post. Read it, I said traditionally regarded border schools. This would include your philly public schools which while not having borders we can agree they are regarded as traditional public border schools. Now Imhotep may be in a different class, it is worth the discussion. Because it is a public school I would put them in the traditional border class though.The PCL schools I would not. The PCL teams I would all put in non-border category.

  184. Buddy says:


    Including yourself.

    Again, apples to apples.

  185. Brian says:

    Tom F you’re comparing apples and oranges. Athletes in the philly area transfer from year to year. I’ve seen some talented play for 3 different teams in 4 years in the philly and Pittsburgh area. You’re example of mt.carmel and southern Columbia doesn’t do justice for your point. MCA was a powerhouse and what has happened is the families have moved out of that district because the area is declining. So you’re seeing the parents that played for MCA moving into the SCA district. This isn’t recruiting or transferring. It’s relocating because of towns that are falling apart.

  186. McD65 says:

    BOB HINES, well said thanks for making this topic more clear for some. Unfortunately there are many others that just don’t get it and never will.

  187. David Mika says:

    District 3 is in the east……They are a east team playing in the west bracket.

  188. Buddy says:

    @ Mika:

    Explain to me again why you rank CV in these standings. They will not be our eastern playoff picture.

  189. Neutral Observer says:

    @ all of the D2 fans:

    Looks like a couple of big games this weekend!

    Williamsport @ Scranton

    Old Forge @ Riverside

    Valley View @ Scranton Prep

    Any predictions?

    I heard Scranton is pretty banged up so I’ll take the Millionaires (42-17).

    The good news for Riverside is all of the money/awareness they are going to raise for childhood cancer because I see Old Forge winning big (49-6).

    I think the explosive Valley View offense runs into a brick wall and Prep gets another shut out (28-0).

  190. JoePa says:

    TOM F.

    Regarding public schools recruiting. If the PIAA would investigate the so called recruiting violations then this would be a mute point. Other wise if you have documented proof of recruiting violations then present your allegations or otherwise hold your thoughts to yourself. Or otherwise stick your head in the sand because nothing but speculation will continue under the money happy PIAA. They really do not have concerns until it affects their income stream.

  191. Frank G says:

    @ mark d Does Scranton Prep recruit only athletes at other high schools? Do they recruit students at all grade levels, i.e. do they accept senior transfers? There’s a very big difference between getting a student here and there at the start of sophomore year and getting a handful of student-players at the start of senior or junior year. My understanding of Scranton Prep–I lived in Scranton for three years–is that they have to recruit potential students pretty aggressively to stay afloat.

  192. Buddy says:

    @ Tom:

    Rumor has it was only 4. AND, they must have a residence in the school district.

    @ Hines:

    I believe it was conceded here that their are no boundaries WITHIN the city limits. So you whole point is moot.

    Another example, more apropo:

    You live in Methacton school district, you play football, their program pretty much sucks ( sorry methacton), so your neighboring district is NP, you wanna play for NP. Just go there right?

    YOU CAN’T. Gotta live in the district! So Hines, you gotta compare apples to apples.

  193. mark d says:

    @FRANK G Many many people in the area have a problem with Scranton Prep.As in other places some claim they recruit from other schools in the area .

  194. Jacob says:

    @ John C

    It worked when I looked at it but must have screwed up again. Here is another site that has the points up today.


  195. Bob Hines says:

    Hate this argument but let me make a simple point. If every single student in Philadelphia went to the closest public high school they would be at a major disadvantage!! Imagine putting a superstar RB in the backfield of a Kensington or Strawberry Mansion. What a disservice that would be to that young man. So he decides to go to Imhotep where he has more than 20-30 on the roster and a line that can actually make ways for him against a team like Palumbo! Look you guys know absolutely nothing about how the city of Philadelphia works. Let me pose this to anybody who has made this ridiculous boundary argument:

    Your son is a superstar. You live at 2nd and Erie. Your local high school is Thomas Edison. They might have 18 guys on their roster. Horrible football. Your son can go to Gratz- not too far of a drive up and coming football program…but NO! We must keep the sanctity of the PIAA in tact! Give me a break. The boundary system means nothing to parents of these disadvantaged families in this city. Must be nice to live in a place where that isn’t a factor.

  196. TomF says:

    Many public “non boundry” schools are just as bad as the privates when it comes to recruiting student athletes. North Penn-6 transfers this year for football, which I believe is more then Neaumann Goretti. Wilson West Lawn, for years they have been contacting athletes about “Moving in” to their SD for sports. Mt Carmel used to be the most dominant football team in the PIAA, now many kids are moving into the S. Columbia School District. It goes both ways, You won’t see a separation of Public and Private, some rule changes, yes, separation, no.

  197. mark d says:

    @Jacob C and John Robert something up with the web site you go to football and you get field hockey standing !!!

  198. Footballdad99 says:

    It’s all going to come do to a separation of traditionally regarded border and non-border schools. It’s just two different ways of operating (neither better or worse) with no real commonality between the two. I think this all takes time to evolve. It hasn’t been but what, 10 years since District 12 joined? And that event seemed to put a spotlight on the non-border teams and the way they operate. Maybe PIAA does nothing, but each year it seems to get clearer and clearer to most reasonable minded people that a separation may be beneficial for all.

  199. CC says:

    @ Jacob C
    the piaa district 2 site under football and in your link opens field hockey standings instead of football

  200. Route 54 says:

    What teams have a chance with SCA in the playoffs? SCA have a weak schedule.

  201. John Robert says:

    @ Jacob C

    something must be up with their site…that link took me to Field Hockey NOT FOOTBALL/….thank you though

  202. Frank G says:

    @jj D2 The boundaries would have to be more than “pretty strict” to do what some want them to do, i.e. prevent any kids from playing for a public school that isn’t nearest them. I’m curious: does anyone in NE PA mind that Scranton Prep has no boundaries? I know BECA faced lots of resentment 15 years ago or so.

    I understand the nostalgia for the time when communities marked off by geography supported local teams. But the Blakely Bears of 1960 are long gone and can’t come back. As Pennsylvania changes, there are going to be fewer and fewer “one high school districts” or districts in which students routinely go to the one high school whose boundaries include their homes. I can even imagine that at some point because of technological and population shifts that students in Scranton, say, could be enrolled in various schools around Lackawanna County–Abington Heights here we come! But that won’t be the case state-wide.

    In Philadelphia there are public high schools, e.g. Central, that have never had boundaries other than the city limits.

  203. Buddy says:

    Anyone got D1 playoff points to date?

  204. jj D2 says:

    @Frank G

    I don’t know about Pittsburgh, But there are 2 high schools in Scranton (West Scranton and Scranton) and the boundaries are pretty strict.

  205. Jacob C. says:

    @ John Robert

    District 2 playoff points.


  206. John Robert says:

    District 2 Fans…Where can one find the District 2 Points Standings …the website seems to be down the last few weeks

  207. McD65 says:

    Run4 daylight, IMO the team that doesn’t commit too many penalties will have the edge. Both teams have not been disciplined thus far this year. NG has a big edge in talent ,so if they execute I think they win. This could be a very entertaining game if mistakes are kept to a minimum.

  208. Frank G says:

    @ Buddy,

    I didn’t say all or most public schools don’t have boundaries, but it is true that some types of public schools, most obviously charters, don’t have boundaries in the usual sense. And to what extent is ANY public school in District 12 (the PPL) restricted in taking in students who live–or have some relation to an address–in the city of Philadelphia? And I wonder how firm are the boundaries in Pittsburgh or Scranton.

  209. Kevin X says:

    @ Clark31c and D1 fans:

    Mark October 20th to your calendars, as C’Ville will be visiting D-Town East…….

    Nice three day HS football weekend ahead, kicking off Thursday with a slew of D1 games. Most notably a battle of unbeaten as Haverford visits Garnet Valley, and unbeaten CB South visits North Penn.

  210. Kevin X says:

    Ahhh, so N-G found the recruiting loophole, they recruited the Head Coach, and maybe some of the staff!!! 🙂

    Seriously, If N-G was/is that guilty of recruiting violations, I really don’t see how the PIAA can turn a blind eye to the situation, as it is so well known. I just think the rules are pretty loosey goosey and need to be tightened up, if that is the way they want to go.

  211. Cary says:

    Berks Catholic won easily over Lancaster Catholic but looked pretty sloppy with fumbles and penalties.

  212. phillyboy says:

    @ Clark31c

    On the surface it would seem Downingtown East is the top dog in D1 but quite possibly Coatesville. Coatesville lost a tight one to Cumberland Valley. But CV is in the western bracket.

  213. Run4daylight says:

    @MCD65 what do you think the keys of the game are between West Catholic vs Neumann?

  214. Buddy says:

    @ Clark:


  215. Clark31c says:

    Any thoughts on Downingtown East and the district 1 teams ? Who’s the best team in that district ?

  216. McD65 says:

    Come on man, my comment regarding NG is based on watching them last week. Its not recruiting players are in fact choosing to go there because of the coaching change. I know because one of my old schools players transferred there due to this and was not recruited . They are going to be challenged this week by West Catholic so we should know more after this one.

  217. Buddy says:

    @ Frank G:

    Wrong. public schools do have district boundaries.

    Do they stretch the rules on occasion? maybe.

    But the private ( & catholic) schools, don’t have any rules to stretch.

  218. phillyboy says:

    @ Come on man!

    I love your passion, I hope they indeed make some common sense changes somehow in regards to the unlimited boundary issue. Then they’d get a total reality check: their cherry picking faux dominance would fade pretty quick.

  219. Frank G says:

    @Come on man

    You say the state rep wants to do something in response to private schools “pulling kids from outside their boundaries.” News Flash: Private schools don’t have boundaries–and this is true for all of their students–and, increasingly, a good number of public schools don’t either.

  220. MCA94 says:


    Absolutely agree. Mount Carmel and Shamokin have been getting worse and worse over the last 20 years or so. The families that have the means and want to stay in the area are moving to Elysburg and I cant say I blame them. Fact of life but unfortunate for MCA football. Jim Roth admitted this on coaches corner last year when asked about the MCA/SCA rivalry and what makes it so special. Looking at just this years roster, there are names of 3 kids whose fathers were athletes from MCA and 3 from Shamokin that I recognize. I can’t comment on rich/poor but I know some of their fathers were standout athletes at MCA/Shamokin and some of the kids are standout athletes already as sophomores at SCA. Southern already has a great system and the fact that they are getting so many of the best athletes from surrounding districts means they will be near impossible to beat in the forseeable future. MCA gave them a heck of a game this year with a roster number in the low 30’s- Score was only 15-7 with ~7 mins left. Coach Darrah and his staff are doing a great job with the numbers they are working with. They are playing tough, but unfortunately have no depth. Hopefully they can get the numbers up in the next few years.

  221. Come on man! says:


    NG should be successful with all the recruiting they have done. Look for changes to be implemented for next year. PIAA has been taking a lot of heat from schools about NG situation. State rep from our area, he loves high school, is not satisfied with PIAA non response and is gathering support for changes with private schools being able to pull kids from outside their boundaries.

  222. McD65 says:

    Neuman/Gorreti is putting it together .They will be a factor in AA .

  223. Bobby d says:


    Just wondering, from your post it seems you’re saying mostly only rich kids go to SC. What’s the percentage of low income families that go to your school as compared to say Shamokin and Mount Carmel?

  224. frankie mc dermott says:

    surprise that neshaminy walloped Truman 56 to 7..good news ex eagles mr hebron s twin sons carried 111 yards tyey are juniors

  225. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy

    Owen Thomas played tonight. Played well, both sides the ball. Real nice catch on a 3rd and 24 with a little over 3 minutes to go to keep a drive alive that NP eventually scored on. He tho seemed to get banged up on that play and did not return. Thinking upper body issue.

    DePaul played QB the whole game. Henley not much a factor on offense. Two Int’s. on defense, the second one in the end zone to seal the game with less than a minute left.

  226. Buddy says:

    @ Frank G:

    You’re right. That was a typo on my part. I meant 2003 ( when SJP was ranked 3rd in nation), NP wound up ranked 8th (nationally) that same year.

    One rabid PCL fan stated last year stated SJP would have beat NP by 3 or 4 Td’s that year.

    Nor sure about that. But as I’m sure you know, the word “fan” is short for fanatic.

    NP defense is their waterloo this year. Especially against run. They should get past CB South, then will run the table, make playoffs, but then will be in trouble I’m afraid.

  227. Kevin X says:

    I believe that the CB South QB (Johns??) is injured and may be out for some time, if not the rest of the year. That’s a big blow for CBS going forward. A very uninspired win this afternoon at home against a Soudy team having a rough year so far.

  228. frankie mc dermott says:

    good luck for neshaminy hs this afternoon against Truman

  229. FridayNightLights says:

    Kevin and Buddy

    I agree that CB South is probably more talented. Both South and Pennridge will provide stern tests for the Knights. NP had had a lot of injuries so I don’t know who will be back, if anyone. NP better be ready for a tough, physical game tonight.

  230. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy,

    Possible, not totally writing off CB South, but saw both them and Pennridge once so far, and more impressed with PR. Saw CB South last week @ CB East, first 4 or so minutes of the game thought I was watching the dark horse D1 6A champs, next 3 1/2 quarters not really impressed. Granted, the refs did not exactly have a stellar game either.

    Hoping for a good one tonight up at Perk.

  231. bog says:

    @Fb fan 01 the league dunmore plays in is the lackawanna football conference. the league is divided into 3 divisions. dunmore is in division 3 because of size and classification. the league makes the schedule which consists of 9 games. dunmore has 1 open date to play outside the division. they play west scranton, a larger classification because west was always the thanksgiving day game,a traditional rival.

  232. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    Here anymore about Owen Thomas? Or the QB situation?

    You’re right, we need Henley coming out of the backfield or receiving.

  233. McD65 says:

    NCFALCONS, I agree that Roman should and could be a big factor if they can get a very good coaching staff. They have ben a major disappointment .Their football program should be able to mirror their basketball tradition.

  234. BlkGld7 says:

    Sry for the late post but thx !!! Found it hard to believe rumors of 22 kids …As for other posts I read along the way , I would say the quips moved up voluntarily to aaa to dodge teams they knew they prob wouldn’t beat in the finals C bears A.. SC tigers AA..prob best shot was AAA at the time , highly doubt it was for better comp not to take anything from that great program .The way transfers are allowed in priv, chart, schools no one can say anything anymore about transfers to any public schools but I’d love to no how SoCo supposedly gets all these crazy transfers every yr . Name some names and you’ll be proven wrong SoCo just happens to be sandwiched between three towns that are getting worst by the day. The only available land or newer homes close to where they lived before is in southern territory , it’s the closest retreat where you can be still close to enough to family and your job . But still there isn’t any last minute transfers , the kids on the roster with the exception of one (2 yrs on team )have either bought built ( not rent ) and have been living there for at least six yrs or more FACT . Factor in a beautiful place to live , a storied FB program but where you are spending at least 200 grand on a home so yeh I’d be attracted to plant new roots in a school district where I would raise my kids till graduation and who has what few schools could only dream of ie. blue ribbon academic award (one of very very few in pa achieved) and storied FB program. As far as the cheat transfer excuse comments why southern is so good you need to check your facts cause it can be proven how long every kid has been living in this school district . But I’m not saying anything someone has already defended and yes believe what you want to believe . Ohh if the Vo-tech excuse was true SoCo would hide the couple kids there over from being single A the past 2 -3 yrs but I’m sure it’s just to get a rise out of someone . Ok Say someone is sensitive and yeh maybe , I hate seeing someone try to take away what high school kids put into there schools programs but jealousy is envy . Dunmore, old forge , mt. Carmel your tough great program as well , they got golden footballs to prove that…. weak schedules .. well that gets ya into playoffs easy but , still have to do the do to get to Hershey , so schools who have a weak schedule and not tested along the way but , still beat up everyone to Hershey what better statement can be made on what kind of program they have.

  235. RC RED08 says:

    @NCFalcons82 I don’t know if we can assume that this will be his last year.
    As an alum I would be shocked if the school fired him.
    He would have to step down.

  236. Frank G says:


    The year SJP was ranked #3 (by USA Today) was 2003. North Penn was the undefeated state champ that year, and there was much debate about whether SJP or NP was better.

    I think national polls and all the speculation about which states have the best teams are fairly meaningless. Some states allow spring practice. Some states have strict rules about transfers. In some states there is next to no attention paid to academic progress or achievement. The sizes of schools and the amount of resources devoted to sports (especially football) vary immensely.

    And even when schools travel across the country to play you have to wonder whether both teams are on an even playing field. Imagine having to take 40-50 15-17 year olds across the country and getting them settled (?) into hotel/motel rooms–they don’t travel like NFL players do. And then there are the refs and more than a few stories of teams on the road getting absolutely jobbed. Also , nearly all the inter-regional games take place in the first few weeks of the season. Results could be very different in November or December, especially if the weather is at all wintry.

  237. Buddy says:

    @ kevin:

    Yea, Pennridge will be pumped for this game. Could be a close one.

    Actually, CB south, in my opinion, is a slightly more talented team then Pennridge.

    However, NP got CB South at home. Always helps.

  238. Fb fan 01 says:

    Is holy cross in their division that they are mandated to play them? If not they get to schedule there own games so I can’t feel bad if they picked them up on their schedule.

  239. Kevin X says:

    So can Pennridge take care of business and pull a mild upset at home tomorrow night, tripping up North Penn?? I think this is the last game NP will be challenged up to the semi’s of the D1 6A playoffs (NP, DTE, Garnet and C’Ville your final four). Not thinking CB South will be much of an issue next week.

  240. NCFALCONS82 says:

    @RC RED08

    Assuming this is Coach Murphy’s last year at Roman Catholic. Are there any likely candidates to be the next HC? I still believe that Roman has the potential to be a great program.

  241. bog says:

    tonight dunmore plays holy cross. in my opinion this is a waste of time for everyone.it’s a waste for dunmore holy cross, and the fans. the score will probably be 21-0 in the first quarter,and jack henzes will have the 2nd and 3rd string playing.the fan turnout will be very low, hurting the groups trying to raise funds for the programs,and holy cross maybe gets practice and experience when dunmore plays it’s reserves. dunmore has played holy cross less than 10 times over the years. they have been pigeon holed into playing this schedule in co-operation with the lackawanna football conference and the piaa.with the 6 brackets it makes scheduling even more difficult. i am not sure what the answer is,but i know it hurts attendance. it also hurts the players. lets say you are a running back in your senior year. you have paid your dues and now you are a starter.now your opponent is holy cross. at dunmore,because coach henzes is a good sportsman,you will probably carry the ball 3 times and then you are sitting the remainder of the game because it’s a rout. so you lose the chance to really compete this week after putting your heart and soul into getting to this point. the same is true if you are on the opposite side,maybe you are feeling demoralized and wondering if all the practice is worth it. my attention here is not to blame,but maybe to find a better way. thank you.

  242. Buddy says:

    I believe CB West was ranked 3rd in the late 90’s. I think SJ prep hit that same # in 2007.

    Prep was #13 last year ( depend what poll). I think they deserved top 10 though.

    You never know . These football factories down south and out west are just that.

  243. phillyboy says:

    @ Michael

    I agree, Wood or even Prep would have their hands full against Mater Dei but who wouldn’t? They’re currently the #1 ranked team in the nation. The Philadelphia region has never had a #1 ranked high school football team — although I personally think the ’98 CB West team was worthy of it.

  244. Neutral Observer says:

    What’s up with the fake “NeutralObserver”??? I have a space in my name.

  245. Michael says:


    Wood only beat Bergen Catholic by 6 winning 27-21; while Mater Dei wins 62-14

  246. mark d says:

    Thanks Neutral for some reason i thought it was Pottsville The reason was, i dont think they would have handled any 1 of the other schools in the eastern conference playoff !!!!

  247. NeutralObserver says:

    In 1991 North Pocono was blocked from the state playoffs by Shamokin. They had a choice of routes in the playoffs and chose to avoid playing NP

  248. phillyboy says:

    Just noticed that Bergen Catholic got annihilated by Mater Dei last week 62-14. I wonder if the student body was chanting: ‘go Bergie go Bergie go Bergie go’, baaahh.

  249. RC RED08 says:

    @Prancer Regarding RC.. From what I have seen, Seems like the coaches have bailed on Grosso already. QB needs to be coached up.
    Perhaps the system they have him running isn’t a great fit for him?

    Roman looks like a team that lacks confidence,both the kids and the coaches.
    Murphy is in full panic mode at this point.

    Defensively they will be much improved once they get Burton back.

    Offensively, I am still trying to figure out what in God’s name they’re trying to do?
    One week they have 3 RB’s in the pistol(unorganized)the next they are base pro ISO and Power and are playing not to lose by 35 to CHA of all teams.
    It seems like the offensive scheme changes week to week. How can you get good at anything if you don’t stick to it?

    You have 3 talented ball carriers in 28, 1 and 10. It’s 2017. If the only way you can think of getting them the ball is to put all three in the backfield next to each other you might want to phone a friend for help.

  250. jj d2 says:

    @D2 football fan

    If your not trolling me then you must not know anything about D2 football. Players Ht. and Wt. are under the roster tabs on hudle or max preps….come on why would I have to explain this.

  251. buckdoc says:

    @ D2 Football Fan:
    Agree Dunmore has had problem at the next level, but 3 trips to Hershey in the last decade, beating same or larger schools to get to Chocolate town, not shabby especially compared to (insert your school here)
    Dunmore may be over-rated, in comparison to larger schools, but guess what, not against schools of their size.
    I believe this years team is not as talented in the backfield as years prior but that has caused them to……gasp….pass! Not as one dimensional as we have been for the last 50 years (Henze’s tenure).
    As for not running the table in the past….1985-undefeated- beat all the Scranton area schools (with professional talent) AND Williamsport (with professional talent) …Mike drop

  252. bog says:

    for mr.d2 football fan, dunmore in last 15 years has played and beaten on a regular basis, west scranton,honesdale,north pocono,western wayne,scranton prep, all class 3a schools.if dunmore was in class 3a this year they would be playing these schools except for n.pocono who are 4a. so i guess all the other schools are competing in higher classifications.would you care to name them, aliquippa,sure imhotep also, anyone else ?does the team you root for play in a higher class? there is no proof that 3a,or 4a teams are better anyway. in regards to last years line, same guys that are playing this year. so what is the problem. dunmore does not create the league or the schedule,they co-operate within the framework of the lackawanna football conference. thank you.

  253. d3 fan says:

    why all the Dunmore hate ? they have an incredible program and a legendary coach that any HS player would be lucky to play for. And I am saying this as a Wyo fan who saw how classy they and their fans were a couple of years ago in state semis – I guess success breeds hate. c’mon people it’s HS football.

  254. D2 Football Fan says:

    to jj D2
    Have no fear, I’m not trolling you.Your not worth the effort. I’d love to see your documentation for last years lines. I know Old Forge had two big tackles, but that’s all they had. The rest of the line was comprised of undersized underclassmen and inexperienced seniors. You can’t understand where the hate comes from because there is no hate only observation. When Dunmore is in the playoffs, I root for like I would for any other D2 team. Dunmore is overrated because they play a lousy schedule year in and year out. Again, big fish in a puddle. If that bothers you so be it. As I stated Aliquippa is an A school playing triple A. Their wins are a lot more meaningful. Dunmore always played the Valley Views, the Abingtons, the Scranton Schools etc. and they always did well, but they never rolled to undefeated season after undefeated season and that’s my point. As presently constitued, their schedule is a joke and their undefeated seasons are not impressive. Enrollment wise they may be the biggest school in their division and they are teetering on that triple A classification.

  255. McD65 says:

    Kevin and BoB Hines, I’m afraid McDevitt may be outclassed by far vs NG this week . I hope they give them a game,but don’t think they can keep pace. Anyway ,they had a few good experiences this year for a very young squad and a second year coach. Jarron Macon McDevitts best player was one of the transfers to NG.

  256. Blakely Bear says:

    @D2 fan
    Read Post by HP, the one I was responding to. “By August coach looks forward to coaching basketball to pad pension.” This isn’t disparaging or personal? Everybody should stick to football comments.

  257. prancer says:


    Roman Catholic is really that weak, they have No QB, No Offensive Line. There is a few bright spots with Cooper,Harris,Burton other then that its not good. I hear people in the stands at games talk about coaching, that Mr Murphy does not know what he is doing. I have a son that’s in 8th grade who is a decent football player and i will not send him to Roman because the Football Program there doesn’t look promising in the next 4 years. It is sad.

  258. Mike A. says:

    Cumberland Valley certainly has a good team this year but it seems to be a bit of a down year in 6A, at least for D3, so it’s a little hard to guage at this point. Wilson WL and Central Dauphin are down a bit this year and some of the others that challenge periodically don’t seem to be that strong either but it’s still early and some of those teams could definitely gel later in the year. While this is a good team it’s not near as good as 1992 or even 2003 for that matter. I would put them more on par with the 2010/2011 team that featured Jeremy Salmon (Maine), Kyle Friend (Temple), and Kevin Snyder (Rutgers). With 7 starters returning on each side of the ball and with Katshir (PSU) back from a team that went to the D3 championship last year against Wilson I thought they would be pretty strong this year. The 2017 edition features some really skilled players such as LB Christian Arrington, RB/CB Jake Palmer, CB/ZB Cole McCoy, OL/DL Fetteroff, and especially RB/WR/DB Katshir and a solid if not spectacular supporting cast. That being said what they don’t have is the normal CV traditional dominant fullback like Richie, Josiah Quiqley (Ship), Travis Friend (Bucknell), Dan Lawlor (PSU), Jeremy Salmon, and Dave Heckard (Villanova) normally required to run the Wing T. Therefore, they are using Katshir as a running back and from the wildcat to mix it up a little. All that being said, barring injuries, I think they should come out of D3 as the 6A champion and move on to meet the WPIAL champ (most likely Pine-Richland) in the semi’s. You can read my review of the 2017 Cumberland Valley Eagles here http://www.easternpafootball.com/news/cumberland-valley-hs/ in the comments section.

  259. Fl says:

    I believe that SJP team last year could have competed against anyone in the country. The last thing I will say on the state against state issue is that someone ranked Texas as the best state I disagree. One of my many aspects of analyzing a state and it’s football is how well it translates to the next level because ultimately that’s what it’s about. Texas teams in college football continually underachieve. Some years they have good seasons but never actually win it all(except Vince Young One year) My point is if those players are so good why doesn’t it translate into championship at the next level with 4 teams that could compete from Texas. Also the Big 12 is known for terrible defense and tackling and high scoring games. Don’t they teach defense or how to tackle in Texas because when you watch a Big 12 game which is comprised of one third Texas teams it sure doesn’t look like it! I coached in Pennsylvania and Florida and Florida coaches are not bad like stated in a previous comment. The reason Florida teams have had such success at the college level is because coaches get those players ready for the next level more so then Texas! Penn st hasn’t won lately either but there on the rise and it could be their year with most of the players from in state. I also believe the Berenice teams CBW teams of the 90’s also could compete with anyone in the country at the time along with many other teams throughout the years

  260. phillyboy says:

    @ buckdoc

    Thank you man, I was always wondering what a resident of Dunmore was called: a Dunmorean. A few weeks ago I also learned the correct pronunciation of Pine Richland’s QB during the ESPN telecast. I was thinking it was JUR-ko-vec like Drazen PET-ro-vic or Novak DJO-ka-vic but no it’s actually pronounced Jur-KO-vec, you stress the second syllable. Speaking of PR, they better keep it rolling.

    Any Cumberland Valley fans out there? They’re making some noise so far, are they for real — may be their best team since Ritchie in the early 90’s. Hope so.

  261. NCFACLONS82 says:

    @cary I recently went to the Roman Vs SCHA game and wow Roman is really bad. Was also surprised to see them only have around 30 plus kids. Being such a big school would assume numbers would be higher.

  262. bog says:

    dunmore also beat williamsport in the playoffs.that williamsport team included gary brown who was a pretty good running back in the nfl.

  263. bog says:

    first let me say i believe dunmore is very overrated this year. HOWEVER, their schedule is determined by the league they play in,and the AA classsification.over the years they have played teams larger than them enrollment wise. they have played all the best teams in and out od d2. is clairton playing a killer schedule?how about so.columbia? they play the teams in their area,the league, and their classification. i know if dunmore tries to play aaa or aaaa teams they only have 1 or 2 dates available each year. the larger class teams don’t want to play dunmore because if they win,they get less points because of dunmore’s 2a classification, and there is a good chance they will get beat so why take the risk with little reward. before last year when pa. went to 6 classifications,dunmore’s recent schedule included scranton prep,north pocono,west scranton,honesdale, western wayne. they lost to scranton prep,getting shutout in the season opener 2 years in a row. but the record will show that dunmore won more than they lost in these games. dunmore also has played very tough teams from riverside,old forge, and lakeland, over the years with dominating,winning records against all. in the playoffs some of the competition include berwick,so.columbia,wyomissing,neumann goretti,west catholic,bellewood antis,bristol,clairton,south fayette,jeanette,keystone knox,notre dame green pond,so.williamsport,loyal sock,northwest lehigh,ligonier valley,mt. carmel, and that does not mention all the years playing,abington heights,scranton,valley view,wyoming area. the year dallas won their state title dunmore played them and lost 14 to 7 in the playoffs. in regards to the underhanded implication that they import players,i challenge anyone to match dunmore’s roster now and over the years. things are changing with new families moving into all areas,but dunmore has 2nd, 3rd,generation players year after year after year. prove me wrong,or admit you were mistaken. also i agree with jj, dunmore’s kids are not always bigger,please check the rosters, compare honestly, don’t just parrot what you hear. give jack henzes and the dunmore bucks their due. if it is so easy an accomplishment, then maybe your favorite team should do it.thank you.

  264. Cary says:

    Is Roman Catholic really that weak?

  265. Kevin X says:

    There is a nice little internal dog fight brewing within the PCL Blue with the AAs: McDevitt, N-G, and West Cath. Shame that if all continue to play well and win, only two of them could possibly make the post season. N-G/McDevitt this upcoming weekend.

  266. mark d says:

    @DV Warriors if memory serves me right it was Pottsville that went to a District playoff 11 and locked Both Berwick and North Pocono out of the states on some dumb point system they ducked out of the eastern conference playoff

  267. mark d says:

    i would like to apologize to every one that Dunmore high Schools doesn’t get bigger.I would all so like to apologize that other small school in the area dont up grade their football programs so Dunmore would have a tougher schedule Last i would like to apologize for having a coach who done nothing but run a first class program for over 40 years with over 400 wins Sorry ! GET REAL !!!!!

  268. D2 Football Fan says:

    To Blakely Bear: Read the post. There is not a disparaging comment about the Dunmore coach. The quote is: ” Yes, they’ve been very good since Henzes has been there, but even in the halcyon days of the Big 11, they would have down years.” No one will argue that the program is not well run, and we know that Henzes is a class act; the argument is that their record is an illusion because they play a very weak schedule, and they don’t play the competition they should unlike Aliquippa who is a true single “A” playing triple “A.”
    As to Brian; Address the fact that Prep completely dominated them in 2014 and 2015, and they struggle mightily every year with West Scranton who is never very good. No one is bitter. I have no dog in the fight, nor do I care who wins a District 2 or District 4 championship. Study the facts before you spout off. Ask the people of Shamokin or Bloomsburg or Mt. Carmel how many transfers Southern was the recipient of.You believe what you want; I’ll believe what I want. That doesn’t make me a fool, but your quick to judge conclusion makes you ignorant. Follow the link and tell me how these numbers prove Dunmore is a double A school. https://high-schools.com/directory/pa/cities/dunmore/dunmore-high-school/420798002429/#section-1

  269. jj D2 says:

    @D2 FAN
    I’m not sure if you are trolling me or you really have no idea. Last year the D2 AA lines were all about the same size:
    Carbondale 240LBS
    Mid Valley 241LBS
    Riverside 253Lbs
    Lakeland 249lbs
    almost every small school has the same size linemen, Old forge did have a pair of 6’3″ tackles that were 290 and 305LBS.
    I’m not sure where a the hate comes from but its only HS Football.

  270. buckdoc says:

    @ former D2 coach, you should get your facts straight. The “big” guys of Dunmore’s line are native Dunmoreans.
    Nick Shoemaker, father played for Dunmore, graduated in 1983
    Gary Muracco, his dad played for the 1985 championship Dunmore team and won the Hokey Reap award.
    LaCappra, Dad played and is a 1984 graduate.
    Loungo, not quite sure if his dad played but is a Dunmorean, and has owned a successful business in Dunmore before his kid was born (Jerry’s for all Seasons)
    Sawka, mother is a mid 80’s graduate of Dunmore
    The program is littered with “Dunmore” names (Fangio-Vic’s nephew, Rinaldi, dad was Mark and an early 80’s graduate, Reese, Mesko, Yanisko, Santarsiero) My dad is nearly 80, and has all the old programs if you need proof.
    As for Henzes, he is a quality man, if someone says otherwise they are a liar. I don’t agree with everything he does but he is a god fearing man who turns boys into respectful men!
    As for the schedule, Dunmore is one of 2 schools in the district that is made up of one town, not an “area” school. Not a jointure of sorts. So you fault them for their enrollment? They play who they have to based on the LFC. Henzes dislikes this, he lives by the motto and said many times in my playing days, “If you want to be considered the best, you have to beat the best, size doesn’t matter”.
    Dunmore is a drinking town with a football problem! Every Friday night you have multiple generations of families sitting there cheering on the Bucks. 95% of the student body is on the field, between the football team, band, silk squad and student sections.
    So get your facts clear before you inquire out of curiosity or jealousy.

  271. phillyboy says:

    I don’t know what’s up with USA Today, is it just me or are they in love with certain programs. They’re infatuated with teams like DeMatha, St. Thomas Aquinas, De La Salle among others. A few years back Don Bosco beat De La Salle in back to back years and the same thing with Aquinas a few years later back to back W’s. They ranked DeMatha higher than SJP in the final rankings last year. Perhaps they had a special team last year but I think Prep quite possibly was better but what are you going to do, they love their darlings.

  272. billtown says:

    HP you know less than zero if that is possible, Former dist 2 coach I am disappointed, Dunmore has one of the best feeder programs in Pa.So does Southern Columbia. They are also very well coached in fundamental and dedication. Coach Henzes is the most honest principled man I have ever met.He goes to mass every day. Do some homework before you smear a legend who actually deserves legendary status!!!!

  273. DV Warriors says:

    @district 2 past coach

    “1991 season….beating the mighty Berwick Bull Dawgs….Berwick was selected to go to the State Championship not North Pocono because of a rigged point system”

    Wrong. Berwicks season ended after that game. The Dawgs were 9-2 in the regular season, losing to Central Dauphin and Glen Mills. They beat Valley View in the first round of playoffs, and then lost to North Pocono. Season over.

  274. Brian says:

    Lol at D2fan. Someone is bitter. Know your facts before spewing out bull. I know for a fact dunmore was AA for many years before this realignment to 6 classifications. Dunmore was A and then went to AA and then back down to A. I’m not even going to address Southern because fools like you believe what you want to believe. Attacking 2 stories programs equals jealousy and bitterness.

  275. Bob Hines says:


    WHO CARES?!?!?

    EASTERN…PA…FOOTBALL. And you’re one here talking about Mater Dei?! Who cares man let it go. All I care about is the tops in PA and two of them went at it Friday night. Still looking forward to LaSalle-Wood and of course Prep-LaSalle I couldn’t care less how any of those teams would do against teams they’re not playing in some made up hypothetical games in your guys head.


    Are the Lancers back?! Nice win over O’Hara and they are full of young talent. Hats off to them hope you get to Cheltenham this year to see a few games they are playing good ball.

    Germantown Academy YOU ARE A JOKE! Matt Denice is a northeast philly guy too so I hate to be critical but what the hell man. NG beats Northeast 8-7 and you won’t even send your boys out there to face them head on. Worried they would get smacked In the mouth- a Judge guy should know to tell your guys to smack back! That’s atrocious. Hope Malvern blows them out this year.

  276. Blakely Bear says:

    That post about Dunmore’s coach is just about the most ill-informed post I’ve ever seen on this site.
    Yes, Dunmore’s schedule is weak, and tends to hurt them in State playoffs, but don’t knock the results. He runs a first class program. He cares about the players, including their grades, which cannot be said of all coaches.

  277. Dan says:

    @Retired College Coach

    I am as big a football fan as anyone I know. I’ve played it, coached it, and had kids who played it. I am one who agrees that talent in PA has slipped. I find it interesting, though, that out of your top 10 football states, only 2 make the top 20 of U.S. News Pre-K – 12 education rankings, NJ and PA. I am not making a judgment call here, but I wonder if it is about where priorities are.

  278. Frank G says:

    @ Michael

    This year’s Tampa Jesuit may be run-of-the-mill. But most of the out of the area teams they have played for MANY years (PCC in 2004, St.Ignatius of Cleveland in ’04, ’05, ’14, and 15′), Bosco in ’06. 07, ’14, ’15, and ’16, St. Joe’s Montvale in ”14 and ’15, Brooklyn Poly in ’03, Gilman in ’03 and (I think) ’05, Evangel in ’15, Hilliard Davison in ’06 (the year H-D was state champion in Ohio), etc. were by no means run of the mill teams–and the great majority of those games were away games.

    How well would the Prep do against some of the teams you list? To a large degree it would depend on the year. Last year they might well have been very competitive against the best teams in the country. This is all hypothetical. All we can say is that they went to California and played the team they were offered in that Marines’ tournament and smoked them, then beat Bosco, and at the end of the season demolished a PCC team that lots of people in western PA thought was very good.

  279. Run4daylight says:

    SJP offensive line is amazing. Myles Talley and Dejaun Dandridge is so under rated..

  280. Michael says:

    @ Frank G

    Prep would do well against a Mater Dei? Katy? Grayson? Da Lasalle? Central? DeSoto?

    Prep went on the road to Florida to a run in the mill team. Let’s not make it seem like these two teams could go play with top teams and compete

  281. HP says:

    They play single A football.
    Just because they are the tallest midget in the circus does not mean they are tall?
    They have a good program for single A and most single A schools could care less about football.
    They barely have enough kids to field a team.
    So they beat up on all the crappy programs and in August the head coach is already looking forward to coaching basketball to pad his pension. Staaaaaaph!

  282. D2 football fan says:

    Please with Dunmore. They play a very weak schedule, and have been doing it for years. Yes, they’ve been very good since Henzes has been there, but even in the halcyon days of the Big 11, they would have down years. Now they are hiding in AA where the enrollment limit is 200, they miraculously report 199. The only quality D2 team they’ve played since 2014 has been Scranton Prep who beat their brains in two consecutive years. Before this dodge, they hid out in class A for years (like Southern Columbia a whole other dodge and phony with their transfers every year). As for jj D2, if you think that a high school line that has kids weighing 220to 260 with a 290 lineman thrown in, is small, then you need to do some studying. And no, they weren’t smaller than Old Forge, Riverside,etc. last year. A big fish in a puddle is what Dunmore is. “God, Family, Dunmore Bucks.”

  283. jj D2 says:

    @distric 2 past coach

    Are you Kidding me? The tallest Dunmore lineman is 6’2″ and the heaviest is 290, but the rest are between 220 and 260. When ever people talk about “the massive line” we just smile because people assume without ever checking….like yourself. The line was the same size or smaller than most other teams last year (Lakeland, Old Forge,Riverside, York Catholic). As far as people staying in Dunmore, all five lineman’s fathers played for Dunmore. Whatever your trying to say here is flat out idiotic rhetoric meant to stir up some kind scandal. Think before you talk.

  284. Frank G says:

    @ Michael,

    This year’s SJP team, especially on offense is a work in progress (made more difficult by a couple of key injuries, especially to Simmonds. But they still beat a team from Florida and one from North Jersey. And in recent years they have played–usually away–against teams from Louisianna, Ohio, California, Texas, and other teams from North Jersye (Bosco and SJR). They’ve won much more than they lost. Sometimes the opposition weren’t having their best years. Sometimes (e.g. Bosco) they were.

  285. District 2 Past Coach says:

    Hello fellow football fans

    I would like to throw a question out to all of you and get the general
    consensus …..

    With all do respect while talking football talk with area high school football enthusiast from many different school districts the topic always seems to loom about the legitimacy of a perennial power house that being the DUNMORE BUCKS.

    the Bucks have been a staple in football greatness throughout their existence winning the PIAA “A” State Championship in 1989 and returning many other times .
    However in most recent years their last league loss came way back in 2010 thats not the fishy part ..for many years there have been many quality football programs in the Lackawanna football conference in likes of ………..
    Abington Heights….that had a long win run from 1998 up to 2006

    Valley View ……won the PIAA “AA” State Championship in 1992
    while running over area greats throughout the 70’s 80’s 90;s

    Riverside… Reaching the PIAA “A” State Championship in 1997 and in 2010

    Lakeland ….winning 1 District 2″A” Championship
    also winning 5 District 2 “AA” Championships
    reaching the eastern final ..
    also from 2000 through 2006 having all time record 11-0 record vs Dunmore this includes Districts …

    Old Forge ….Reached PIAA “A” State Championship 2013

    North Pocono success late 70’s 80’s
    and the unforgettable 1991 season beating the mighty Berwick Bull Dawgs in the Eastern Conference Championship but shockinly Berwick was selected to go to the State Championship not North Pocono because of a rigged point system .

    the list goes on
    but as everyone knows when graduation hits its rebuilding time no matter who you are …

    this is where the fishy smell starts

    no matter what !!!! graduation ? injuries ? nothing slows Dunmore in there little area
    I say this with a need to know not jealousness.

    I had a chance to chat with a Dunmore fan last year at one of their games and I just flat out asked ..

    How do the Bucks manage to have mammoth lineman year after year and with attitude the man says “all of our players come back to Dunmore to raise their families”

    thats the biggest bunch of @*#* I have ever heard yes one or two will come back but there is no way under the sun that all of these guys will come back to town and number two that if they did how are they guaranteed they will have mammoth males and that they will actually play football SORRY NOT BUYING IT .

    while in Dunmore I was talking with a woman who just moved from New Jersey and said her son plays for Dunmore I said wow cool what brings you to this town ?

    hahah she says “ITS A NICE TOWN” nicely scripted …
    lol nice town ? there is a main street with a rite aid a burger king some small stores but most of all a huge industrial park and a large landfill haha yeah real nice

    if there is any PIAA OFFICIAL READING THIS please do some research ….

    at the end of the day the Dunmore Bucks do have great work ethics a great weight program but that by any means does NOT create height every year lineman going 6-3 6-4 6 -6 going 270

    end of the day if the Bucks are having success without any fowl play then I tip my hat and say great job if not shame on you for changing the integrity of the game ….

    keep in mind I’m definitely not confirming any fowl play just wondering is all

  286. McD65 says:

    BLKGLD7, I guess I will begin the Neuman/Goretti transfers ,but only those I’m sure of. There are many Freshman on the squad of 44 players. Transfers I know of are Well and Johnson from Imhotep,Barmore from Charter school that closed Brown from a school from Delaware due to returning to Phila. to be with his father and Jerron Macon from Bishop McDevitt[Phila.} Anyone have others that at confirmed ?

  287. Michael says:

    Watched the Wood and Prep game yesterday both would get crushed by top teams in Florida Texas and California. Especially Wood

  288. FridayNightLights says:

    Any of my fellow NP fans know why DePaul didn’t play last night? Henley did a good job at QB but I like being able to split him out too. And how long is Owen Thomas out?

  289. Retired College Coach says:

    This issue isn’t where the football is better. Athletes are not made better in certain parts of the country. The resources Pennsylvania provides HS football is significantly below what other states provide there HS programs. I’ve recruited all over the country and I’d have to rank states in the following order.
    1. Texas
    2. Georgia
    3. Alabama
    4. Ohio
    5. Florida
    6. California
    7. South Carolina
    8. Pennsylvania
    9. Louisiana
    10. New Jersey

    The top teams from Pa would be competitive with the top teams from most states in most years. What’s different in those top tier states is that after the top 2-3 or even top 1-2 in Pa, you 35-40 in Texas and Georgia that are very comparable to the top 1-2 teams which is not the case in Pa. Florida is excellent football but the coaching is poor. In Texas and Georgia and in a good amount of Alabama they have Full Time football coaches who make over 100k a year. In Pa 12k is a good coaching salary. You routinely see HS and College coaches jumping back and forth between HS and College football. They have huge field houses strictly for football. The other part is as college coaches are on the road recruiting they can spend a great deal of time talking to HS coaches in those states because they teach no classes and believe recruiting is just as much about recruiting the HS coach as it is the HS player. With all that access coaches in those states are routinely talking ball all day with college coaches. Where in Pa the coach is in class or often times doesn’t even work in the school. A true spring ball with scrimmages is another huge factor that those states have over Pa as well.

  290. daryl says:

    ryan takes care of judge 20-13!!!!

  291. Kevin X says:

    @ Bob Hines

    Nice call on the SJP/Wood score!! Nailed the 27 for Prep!!

  292. DV Warriors says:

    Chris Doleman, Andre Reed, Murderin’ Marvin Harrison, Curtis Martin, Jason Taylor.

    That’s five within the past past five years.

    Again, you ask, I provide.

  293. BlkGld7 says:

    Does anyone no facts about how many transfers actually went to NG ? You know how rumors are , beginning of yr the talk was 22 kids then 24 now only 6. Then the rumor is you can’t go by the roster because it’s incomplete. I think this is why everyone is flipping out when ya hear 22 kids it’s like wtf ! This is my opinion , not that it matters but , the piaa should implement a policy that is simple , you transfer you have to sit out a yr Period. Period. Period. Charters , private , public doesn’t matter , you sit out the yr. let them keep there yrs of eligibility , pretty much like red shirting. That would stop allot of crying and keep it even Steven for everyone .

  294. BigDawg1997 says:

    I don’t really follow other parts of the state, unless we were beating them up in the state playoffs, but I thought I would help Saussmann9 with some PA history.

    Sir, I played at Berwick High School. Between 1982 and 2003, we played 17 out of state games. We won 14 and lost 3. Our records versus states: 2-0 vs. Maryland, 1-2 vs. Ohio, 1-1 vs. NY, and 10-0 vs. Washington DC.

    We put up over 500 yards of offense against St. Ignatius in ’98.

    During the 1996 and 1997 seasons, we faced five (5) future division 1 quarterbacks, Dave Ragone- St. Ignatius; Byron Leftwich – H.D.Woodson; Matt Senneca – Allentown Central Catholic; Matt Smoker- Manheim Central; and Rod Rutherford – Perry. We beat 4 out of 5.

    Now, please don’t come on a PA football site with you holier-then-thou-attitude. Berwick, for those 20 years, could have competed with anyone in the nation.

  295. DV Warriors says:

    Semantics. You asked, and I provided. But, if AAAAAA Delaware Valley isn’t a “mid level” team, who is?

  296. sausmann9 says:

    @FL – get it right what I said, NEVER ONCE said what you stated but to your point, ITS ABOUT TIME. SJP AND WOOD FINALLY GOT A FEW WINS AGAINST THE BNU. Up to last season, they got smacked around like a rented mule.

    @DV Warriors – real simple man, when was the LAST PA HOF inducted??? Out of those 33, majority happened PRE-1980’s. We haven’t done much since then in terms of inductees. And its not like we have a ton of HOF’s in waiting either. again it is what it is, reality of our state of football. we are not PIAA of the 80’s or 90’s anymore.

  297. Bob Hines says:

    Kevin X,

    Get there early enough you’ll be fine to park as 6-2 said I try my luck the baseball field but nightmare to get out.

    Couple things on the Prep-Wood tonight. As far as Wood goes they are going to need Coylar to step up throwing the ball. Prep’s given up 25 total rushing yards so far so don’t expect Peoples to go off on the ground. Ryan Laughlin had a huge week last week and they need Pitts to step up this week. As far as Prep goes if their offense clicks at all they win the game. Soph RB Kolbe Burrell looks like the real deal so if they can get him his touches he could do some damage. QB Marquez McCray hasn’t been lighting the world on fire they might be missing Darryl Simmons more than they thought they would. I don’t expect a shootout tonight, Prep’s D is GOOD but their offense isn’t as strong as it has been. Wood will be able to stop them for the most part but maybe just not enough – Prep 27 Wood 20.

  298. Buddy says:

    @ Kevin:

    Yea, they ( WNPV) cover other games also. Like tonight.

    Nope, can’t make the game. CB West is 3 and 0, NP better not take them for granted.

    NP can’t afford to take anyone for granted this year.

  299. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy,

    I’m surprised the NP/CBW game isn’t on WNPV 1440. Pennridge and Soudy?? Huh?? Guess they are trying to cover/broadcast all teams in the area at least once.

    Sorry, I can’t help with your request tho. Can’t make it over to Doylestown tonight?? Looking like an awesome evening to take in a game.

  300. sausmann9 says:

    DV Warrior – they ended up 6-3 w/ no playoffs along w; a new staff over the last few seasons. DV worse record in the last few years was still a playoff spot at 7-4. FP would be lucky to be 500. DV is NOT considered a mid level team in PA. I get what you are saying but doesn’t fit the criteria suggested.

  301. DV Warriors says:

    PA has 33 former players in inducted into the NFL hall of fame. More than any other state, including CA(22), Ohio(26) and Texas(31).

    How do you explain/justify that?

  302. Fl says:

    This started by sausmann saying PA teams couldn’t compete against the mighty teams of the country. I think St.Joes and Wood beating NJ Powers proves they can

  303. Fl says:

    @the real Billtown:
    That was my main point

  304. DV Warriors says:

    Delaware Valley (d2 6A) played in Florida week 0 of this year and won 19-14. They also went down to Florida in 2014 and lost by 1 point, 28-27.

  305. Buddy says:

    @ all:

    Anyone know if the NP/CB West game has live streaming? Or even just a radio broadcast?

  306. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    @ KevinX:

    Wood @ SJP tonight at 8:00. Confirmed.

    Parking will be a challenge. Two small lots around the athletic bldg will fill quickly. Parking in baseball/utility field probably your best option. Widener will likely have the soccer field lot open as well, due to expected crowd and afternoon college soccer game. I think you can access that lot from both the campus side and Bullen Ave.

    Buckle up and getcha popcorn – there’s a holy war in Chester tonight!!

  307. The real Billtown says:

    I don’t know why everybody is arguing PA football versus these other states. The reason these states normally produce better teams is because they have like 4000 kids in their schools. That would be like if Williamsport could choose every player from Williamsport, Jersey Shore, South, Sock, Montoursville, Hughesville, Muncy and Montgomery and make one team. The only ones that don’t have these excessive enrollments are the privates and football academies.

  308. Chief Red Raider says:

    Am I mistaken, or is this site not named “Eastern PA Football.com”? Who knows, maybe I’ll go on a site dedicated to Texas or Florida HS football so I can talk about eastern Pennsylvania football — I’m sure they would all love to hear all about it. Might even get my old Penn reel and trolling pole out for just such an occasion 🙂

  309. Kevin X says:

    So you guys rather see N-G play GA or NE??? I’m guessing NE. If GA left N-G high and dry this weekend w/o a game, yeah, bigger issue in my mind then you guys are currently making it. GA still has 10 games on their schedule. Like I alluded to in an earlier post, thinking everybody worked this out amicably beforehand, no harm, no foul, move on…..

  310. Kevin X says:

    Wood @ SJP tomorrow, 7:30p or 8p???

    Any recommendations/suggestions on parking down there???

  311. bog says:

    i believe that little by little high school football is dying.i think parents are afraid to let their children play,resulting in smaller rosters.also the birth rate has declined steadily since the baby boomers generation,also resulting in smaller number of players as well as fans. the change in how teams are constructed has led to a smaller fan base. i am referring to the change in the small towns in pa. back in the day teams were made up of kids from families who were local for 3,4, generations. nowaday’s new families are moving here,and they may play sports but the tradition is diluted not only on the field but in the stands. the growing trend of transfers flocking to schools defeats what was great about high school football. i.e. pride in your town and your friends. it seems hollow to me to say we won after we stacked our roster with great players who are not really part of the fabric of the town,team, tradition. the necessity to travel long distances to play games against teams not as competitive, because of classifications for points for state playoffs is killing attendance. who wants to travel an hour to see dunmore play montrose,or susquehanna, on a cold,rainy night,knowing that more than likely the score will be 35-0 mid 2nd quarter,and the starting unit will be out of the game.and now sometimes the game will be televised on a cold,rainy night killing the fan turnout even more. these are my observations,for me it is sad to watch. i have been going to high school games for almost 60 years. thank you.

  312. paul from philly says:

    @ Suasmann9 and Come On Man

    Why don’t we let the teams vote on if they want to play or not? There’s a good way to teach. “Coach, I don’t want to play in the rain, I might melt!!” The schools, GA and NG, signed a contract to play a series of games. Now GA doesn’t want to play. And you guys are all for it. Will the PIAA start handing out participation trophies next?

  313. vucat1 says:

    @Come on man — why do I think you are either the HFC or AD at Germantown Academy trying to balance the blow-back on message boards from a simply awful decision?
    It is hard to point the finger at the PIAA when the entire Inter AC has repeatedly refused to join the PIAA due to not wanting to have to follow any of their rules! Namely, fifth year eligibility and limits on amount of competitions in a year.
    GA showed themselves to be cowards by declining this game. They also taught what we already know: if you have money, you don’t have to do things that others may have to do. Don’t think you are going to beat an opponent? Simply cancel the game….problem solved.
    And why the fear BTW?? This NG team is far from the Imhotep team that Malvern played last year and got smacked by. I didn’t see Malvern cancelling. Notice that Haverford played a pretty good team from DC in their first game this year too. They didn’t watch film, pee their pants and decide to cancel.
    GA decided to quit, plain and simple. They were not trying to “send a message”, they quit. Embarrassing.

  314. phillyboy says:

    @ sassymann9

    LOL — killer rant dude.

  315. paul from philly says:

    @ Sausmann9

    You respect GA for backing out of a commitment. They signed a contract to play a football game. Last year GA beat NG by 44 points. Before the game, did NG say “Hold on there fella, we don’t like the odds!” No. They played the game and took their lumps. The GA coach didn’t teach his boys a very good life lesson. I’d hate to be a GA student down the road when life hits him with a few hurdles. And by the way, screw the Inter-Ac. They started recruiting. They’re pros at it.

  316. Run4daylight says:

    There appears to be a double standard at work. Albie is being ostracized for his ability to recruit more strategically than his Caucasian counterparts. Additionally, this ostracizing seems to be supported by administrations in a way that could have repercussions to the players. It impedes their ability to have appropriate game film to put them in the competitive landscape to receive scholarship dollars at the collegiate level. Again, this seems to be by design. It is imperative that there be some accountability for schools cherry picking games and so forth, because that sends the wrong message

  317. sausmann9 says:

    Fl – born and raised in PA. Family in North Braddock area forever, family in Mercer Co D10 area forever, family in Kittaning/Ford City area forever.

    I am a realist, not a homer. High school ball in Pitt area no joke but not the best by any means. Pitt area teams could barely handle Iggy and Eds from year to year. Look what happened when we took the mighty PCC and they played Lakeland in Wheeling.

    I get your love for PA football but don’t let your emotion get in the way of your logic.

    Need more info on Glen Mills game you mentioned. I think you have your info wrong again. In 14′ they didn’t travel to FL.

    And no, the answer AGAIN to your same question is NO. Texas kids are NOT bigger faster stronger than PA kids under normal conditions BUT Texas kids play a serious Spring ball season as well as their DEPTH on the lines. Their second string linemen are equivalent to our starting linemen.

    Again I have as many Texas games as you want to see to help you understand your misconceptions.

    I’m still waiting for actual examples of all those mid level FL teams that got beat by mid level PA teams. please don’t come on here and talk crap without any actual evidence to back it up. Lose cred real quick that way, lol.

  318. sausmann9 says:

    McD65 – you were at that game it happens to be 50+ years later. I watch the game every few seasons. TX blitzed as much as much as PA. Reality bro!

  319. phillyboy says:

    @ Come on man!

    Can you slow down a little bit and back up; what exactly happened in regards to GA and NG?

  320. sausmann9 says:

    @ Come on man! – Excellent post and spot on for sure. PIAA lost that years ago in D11 w/ the Becahi ordeal of the late 90’s and the Brendan Beal ordeal which was 07′.
    I support the heck out of GA for what they did!

  321. Run4daylight says:

    @ Come on Man! You are a straight sucker. What are you complaining about 6 transfers? Every school within the PIAA has transfers, parents have the right to take their children where they choose. Is it fair to the children for coaching carousel, school closings etc. I think you are upset that Albie is beating his counterparts at their game. This is a race issue.

  322. FballFan56 says:

    @Come on man!, GA or, for that matter, any other school in the Inter-AC should be the last to throw stones when it comes to recruiting. Of course, Inter-AC schools are not bound by PIAA regs, so they each act within the limits established by their respective ADs and heads of school. NG, having played all of one game where a very ordinary team scored 25 points on them, can hardly be classified as a super team at this point in the season. IMHO, GA – if indeed they dropped the game because of “recruiting” concerns – speaketh with a forked tongue!

  323. paul from philly says:

    @ Come on man!

    First you say NG is breaking PIAA rules. Then you say they’re taking advantage of very loose PIAA rules. Well which is it? GA beat NG last year 44-0. Didn’t seem to bother them last year. GA signed the contract to play. Way to teach the kids how to HONOR promises Suck it up and play the game.

  324. Come on man! says:

    I have a lot of respect for Germantown Academy. They are standing up for what is right. NG is breaking PIAA rules and expect others to Honor game commitments. Everyone should upset with NG not GA. Joesph McColgan, NG President, needs to read his message over again on the school website. Talking about the values of a good Roman Catholic Education. This message needs to be extended to the football program. Do the right thing instead of taking advantage of very loose PIAA rules and there lack of enforcement. PIAA could have done the right thing but instead they r losing credibility.

  325. bog says:

    i have followed D2 football for a long time. in my opinion dunmore is not that good this year. they are very average at the running back. also i think the line is overrated. the competition is very poor. not their fault they have to play teams in the league, and the small schools are not as good as they have been in the past.

  326. CYOBALL1 says:

    @ C Jacoby how is your boy making out at Judge so far??

  327. CYOBall1 says:

    Wheres @C Jacoby been?
    How is your boy making out at Judge so far? With his size and ability I am really interested to see how he is making out so far..

  328. Fl says:

    So your assumption is you think it has nothing to do with the fact if the size of the schools or the population of the states of California, Texas, Florida it just happens to be that the 3 biggest states with population are generally considered the 3 best states for high school football. So Texas just generally has better,faster, stronger athletes then PA. And because your so much more in love with football than we are up here in PA your crazy. There’s as much dedication put into football in PA than anywhere else and maybe because you didn’t grow up here it’s difficult for you to understand.

  329. Fl says:

    Three years ago Glen Mills I believe played an eventual 6 or 5A Fort Myers team in fort Myers. Glen Mills won the game very close but still. They both ended up losing in the second round of there playoffs that year. Fort Myers school was actually bigger in size I believe. 2014 I was at the game and I’m sure there’s many more examples like that

  330. Fl says:

    @sausmann, Eat,Sleep and all that about football are you serous. I’m from western PA there’s no bigger football fanatics in the country then in western Pa with the Steelers which is often considered to have the best following in football. That’s what western pa is known for! Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Joe Namath, Jim Kelly, Johnny Unitas, George Blanda, Marc Bulger, all from just western PA I think this state knows a thing or to about football. Go take your BS Texas talk elsewhere, 2 PA schools just beat top nationally ranked teams. Bergran plays the #1 team in country. If they keep it close or even win it’ll make archbishop look that much better and PA.

  331. McD65 says:

    saussman9, They did blitz ,I was there. BTW I don’t have any interest in watching Texas HS football. I’m a proud Pa. follower.

  332. OwlBDamn@gmail.com says:

    Germantown Academy (Inter-Ac) withdraws from contest with Neumann-Gorretti. This is insane. The schedule was already set and they could have made amends back in August. However, upon review of the NG vs. Interboro film or just rumors, they decide to forgo the game that was set this Saturday at GA’s house. Lost respect for GA for dodging this game. GA coach alleged to have communicated to NG HC Crosby that he thought that both teams are headed in different directions. What directions do he speak of since the Inter-Ac is not PIAA and have the option to reclassify students. They have 3 D1 athletes to boot. Oh, let me guess they don’t want to risk bruising the little egos of the GA kids. This is fricken football!!! You signed up for the game and reneged the week of the game?

    Spare me the transfer or recruitment of players here. That seems to be the consistent hog wash overall. Its usually by coaches who don’t crap to develop their players so they sit idly by from December to August just waiting to cash a pay check instead of developmental skills during the off season.

    GA you are an embarrassment of your league for this one! You agree with the schedule, you stick to it!

    Kudos to Northeast High School Vikings for filling in for that team!

  333. D12FAN says:

    Frank and Dale

    Jones returns to QB when healthy.

  334. mark d says:

    @jhon time will tell lot of ball to still be played

  335. Frank Ja says:


    Jones wont be back at QB when he returns not after last week vs Malvern he is to good to be on the bench as everybody seen, Solecki is the QB from here on out. Jones will be in most likely at Wildcat formation with Malle. Solecki is a HUGE threat with all La Salles weapons, he will make all them better. Jones didn’t show that the first 2 games, it was more the Wildcat Jones show, Which is a good thing for some teams but not BGordon. Its just another weapon they will have for Prep come November. Between Holland, Carter, Malle, Harrison, Trainer, Burnham, Quiles and then Add Jones in the slot possibly? That’s Dangerous especially with there line. Some exciting football coming in November/December

  336. Jeff says:

    @phillyboy – completely agree with your predictions, would be shocked if any other teams make the 6A or 5A final. Regarding 4A Bechai might beat Imhotep in the Eastern Finals, they gave them a good game last year before losing 24-13, and no question Imhotep is not as dominant as last year. I also expect a rematch of the Western Finals between ECP and Berks Catholic, but I like ECP because I personally think they are one of the top 5 teams in the state regardless of classification. IMO there aren’t any teams in the WPIAL this year in 4A and 5A that can challenge ECP or Harrisburg.

  337. Blkgld7 says:

    I can see NG getting games canceled on them actually happening more than once. No secret teams aren’t happy about transfers so they’ll buck back and take experience on the field and snaps from them,so it’ll make it harder for them to get any better than what they are, especially if its a non-league game. There not going to risk injuries and its a middle finger to piaa

  338. sausmann9 says:

    @ McD65 – dude you can’t honestly be making excuses that Texas blitzed all game and beat us that way, that’s ridiculous. I have articles and one of the three games converted from 8mm – NOWHERE is it mentioned in those articles and NOWHERE in the 65′ game did Texas blitz on a regular basis. Plus after the first game b/n the two states, we weren’t even close to staying with them. I lived TX high school football for three solid years right next to Converse Judson 92 – 94 and the only team that reminded me of their style, their numbers, their energy was the CB West teams of the 90’s. Hit me up if you want to see some good Texas high school football; I have approximately 100 TX games (most playoffs, title games, rivalries, etc…) maybe that will help you out a bit, at least then you can actually say I saw some Texas high school football.


    I’ll send you 10 for free, you won’t need to see that many but they’re there for the taking.

  339. Kevin X says:

    @ phillyboy,

    Really going out on the proverbial limb with those predictions, eh?? (Just messing with ya 🙂 )

    @ paul from philly,

    I was looking forward to taking in that game. Kind of sux. Looks like now tho N-G is playing Northeast Friday afternoon. Maybe it was a mutual agreement between all parties involved. Kind of think it may work out for the better for all. Did Northeast have a bye week this week?? Did GA pick up an opponent on short notice?? Did everybody simply switch dance partners??

    @ All,

    Does Wood still have a bye week the weekend of Oct. 20th?? Believe that was the weekend they were suppose to play Upper Darby. Anybody know anything about the Paul International Charter school in DC?? Researched briefly and it looks like a fairly newly formed charter school in DC whose football team has only won 3 or 4 games in their brief 4 years of existence. They re scheduled to play Imhotep that weekend. A bloodbath of epic proportions in the making. OK, I think you guys might know where I’m going with this……..

  340. sausmann9 says:

    @ FI – you say mid-level PA teams can and have copeted with and BEAT mid level Texas and Florida teams. In the last 10 years; name a couple.

    You blame the number of kids in the state, that’s not it bud. TX eats, breathes, and lives football; WE do not up here. You can easily find 90 kids in most of the 5A and 6A publics here in PA but you don’t see them on the roster. Texas cuts kids from the team.

    Youre way off on your assumptions.

  341. sausmann9 says:

    @ Phillyboy – the best of the BNU would do okay against the best public schools in TX. Would they win 5 out of 10, probably not against the best public school in but I could see them getting into their playoffs and making some noise. Don’t forget though when you talk Tx best public schools, they have crazy quality depth on their lines. I could see Bosco 2011, Paramus Cath 2015 and Bergen of 03′ possibly winning 6A titles in TX those years but not on a reg basis.

  342. phillyboy says:

    I’d like to make an early prediction: 6A final — Pine Richland vs. St. Joe’s Prep, 5A final — Harrisburg vs. Archbishop Wood, and 4A Erie Cathedral Prep vs. Imhotep. The only pick there that’s a little shaky is Imhotep; they kind of get there by process of elimination more than anything else. If 6A holds form that could be a real interesting final. I have to admit Prep is rolling despite the graduation of Swift and the injury to their top gun WR. Frankly I’m a little surprised by that, meanwhile they quietly got a mini win streak going. If PR meets Prep in the final and they’re both undefeated I’ll be all geeked up, might have to make a weekend out of it, rent a room at one of those dive motels in Campbelltown and then cap it off with a late night replay on PCN. Then you close it out with breakfast at Shady Maple the next morning — are you kidding ME?!

  343. Jhon Robert says:

    @mark d

    Best Defense in the Conference….bar none…

  344. Jhon Robert says:

    @mark d

    Valley View will put their eggs in that basket and call the Prep Game their Superbowl. Last years game was close, but not as close as the score. Prep had some costly turnovers, and VV could not capitalize. Seems to be a Howanitz trait as a coach. (See Del Val game this season!)

    Last Season when everyone thought NP had a GREAT TEAM, Prep hung 21 on them through 3 qtrs. and NP barely scored in the fourth quarter. 28-7 (not even close)Prep V NP will be as lopsided as that maybe even more.

  345. paul from philly says:

    Just heard that Germantown Academy has cancelled their non-league game with Neumann-Goretti because the GA coach doesn’t fancy playing All-Star teams. GA beat NG last year 44-0. Didn’t seem to bother the coach last year!! And didn’t All-Star teams start in the Inter-Ac? This is bull on GA’s part. Way to teach the students!! If you sign a contract to play, then play!!! The PCL should never sign to play GA again!! Crybabies

  346. mark d says:

    @Jon ok i know who you mean I CALL THEM THE PERODI CHOMPERS!!! Yes Valley View fan can be let say a little less than objective at times.Scranton Prep and Valley View will be a good game dont count Valley View out they are big and strong up front and also have some speed it will probably come down to coaching ,and well we know what will happen then

  347. mark d says:

    @NEUTRAL Scranton Prep is very tough and talented up front.Very good power running game,and strong and disciplined on defense. I think the only 2 teams on their schedule that can give them a game is North Pocono and Valley View.

  348. Jon Robert says:

    @ neutral observer

    Conservatively the WVC is weak , Abington is rebuilding … prep has Dallas then Wyoming area they will possibly shut them out both as well !

    Starters have not played 4 quarters … they are fresh but untested … theY are a juggernaut for sure
    I don’t think anyone can stop them …

  349. Jon Robert says:

    @mark d …. NO not you … you’re a reasonable fan , always fair and balanced … but there are some doozies who cheer up there and they are loose in the brain brother!

    Valley view gets even this week with pittston , then go above .500 with Abington Heights then they will play Scranton Prep

    I GUARANTEE every valley view fan will be clamoring GAME OF THE YEAR” with the Prep Game and them it’s really a 5-0 team and a 3-2 team possibly !

    Scranton has tons of athletes , tons of speed good for them

  350. Dale says:

    paul from philly:

    When Isaiah Jones returns from injury, Steinmetz/LaSalle would be smart to put him where he is actually most skilled and has more significant experience: safety.

    Leave Solecki at QB, because he is actually a QB.

    But they won’t do that. They would rather try to jam Jones in at QB (square peg, round hole thing). Sad too. Cause his remarkable athletic abilities are maximized for that team at safety.

  351. NCfalcons82 says:

    What’s up with Roman Catholic? Heard they were up by 21 in the 1st quarter. How did they lose that game?

  352. Kevin X says:

    @ NO

    SP hasn’t played anybody. In fact, they only have two “challenging” regular season games all year, Valley View and North Pocono, and both are at home. Would of been interesting if they could of hooked up with Del Val, Scranton, or Williamsport at some point. Or really step out of their comfort zone and meet up with a fellow Catholic school in the Lehigh Valley or PCL. They are still the real deal, should be playing late into November, heck maybe even into December.

  353. skykng says:

    @paul from philly—I’ll tell you what you do with Solecki, you start him at qb and continue the onslaught of a diverse offense…all those weapons (Quiles, Malee, Trainor, Holland)…..use them…..as far as Jones……put him at slot receiver..big plus to the offense….and safety….our secondary could always use the help…..he played safety before he got hurt and was a stud..I don’t believe Solecki is a fluke…saw him against McDonogh and Malvern Prep. He looked really controlled during both games, downright impressive.

  354. TomF says:

    Looks like some titanic battles brewing for 6A and 5a playoffs this year

  355. paul from philly says:

    La Salle did what they always do on the defensive side. Malvern’s first TD was a blown coverage on La sale’s part. They only scored 14 points in the first half. Then Steinmetz made his adjustments during halftime and basically shut ’em down. The backup QB, Solecki, will be fine. He’s got great speed and he throws a very good ball. They might have a problem in the timing of Jones’ return. He’s scheduled to come back for the Prep game later in the season. What do you do if Solecki is doing fine?

  356. mark d says:

    @jon Roberts
    Never said they run threw the lackawanna conference. Trust me, they got beat in close games by 2 very good football teams! Scranton might be the fastest team i have seen in this area in many years. Scranton and Del Valley is going to be one heck of a game. I like Scranton speed to be the difference

  357. Neutral Observer says:

    Anybody have any thoughts on Scranton Prep?

    I saw that Prep (3A) has won its first three games 50-0 over 5A Abington Heights, 42-0 over 4A Coughlin, and 42-0 over 3A Lake-Lehman.

  358. McD65 says:

    A big shout out to st Joe Prep and Archbishop Wood for their wins this week vs.A couple of North Jerseys best St. Peters Prep and Bergan Catholic. I addition, LaSalle whipped Malvern Prep with their back up QB. The PCL red division will have a tough time with anointing a champion this year. BTW Wood plays the Prep next weekend. There are many really quality teams within the state this year . Out west I think Pine-Richland ,Erie Cathedral Prep and Harrisburg are all primed for Western championships in their respective classifications. Its getting fun.

  359. D12FAN says:

    Well Prep and Wood represented PA very well against 2 of the BIG 6 from North Jersey. Prep handled a good St Peter’s Prep 28-17. Wood went on the road and stunned 17th nationally in USA Today and #12 in Max Preps national pool and ranked #1 in NJ Bergen Catholic 27-21. Should be a great battle this Friday when Prep and Wood meet up at Widener.

  360. Kevin X says:

    You guys were spot on about Solecki (LaSalle QB), he played a really nice game last night, as well as LaSalle in general. I don’t think they missed a beat. Saw I. Jones in the North Penn game, and I thought he was trying (or being instructed to ) do too much with his feet. Remember him coming up gimpy after a few hits in that game. The LaSalle/Wood/SJP games have the potential to be real fun. All three with big wins yesterday.

  361. OwlBDamn says:

    NG 54, Interboro 25…NG was down 25-6 midway through 2nd QT. A series of jarring hits forced fumbles and converted into TDs for the Saints. After halftime, the NG defense made adjustments and denied Interboro from scoring. NG put up more scores and earned the 1st win of the Crosby era at NG.

  362. Come on man! says:

    Anybody see Neumann Goretti play? Any observation on how they are?

  363. Buddy says:

    High schools USA:

    California: 2000
    Texas :~ 1800

    All other states have less then 1000. Many are just under 1000. Pa, Ohio, Florida, Michigan, Indiana and maybe a few others are upper 900’s, ( I believe Pa. is 977, Florida & Ohio are slightly higher)

    Moreover, some of these high schools in Texas ( and I’m assuming California also) student population is greater then many of our ( Pa.) Division 2 universities.

    So they have to be better in football. Only makes sense.

  364. Karen says:

    Sending a big congratulations to Dylan Rabuck, Williams Valley, District 11, for getting over 4000 yards career rushing last night!!!!!

  365. Fl says:

    If Texas highscool football is so great why arint colleges in that state good recently. They go to Texas and Texas AM and realize football across the country is just as good. Because reality is people take it more serious in Texas but that doesn’t mean there the best teams or players

  366. Fl says:

    I live in Florida and their football is as good if not better then Texas and like I stated before there’s just more kids and bigger schools in Florida, Texas, California but it doesn’t mean the athletes are better they just have more to choose from in those heavy populated states. And just like any state the same teams in Texas, Florida, and California always are really good because the best kids in the state want to play for the best teams. Mid level teams from Pennsylvania can and have completed and beat with Texas and Florida teams. The difference is there’s millions more kids in these states that’s why theses always a bunch ranked nationally. St. Joes or Cathedral Prep could complete with any team in the country!

  367. phillyboy says:

    If I had to narrow it down to the top 3 states in the country for quality, tradition and support I’d go with Texas, Ohio and Florida.

    IMO California is overrated. Due to the sheer size of the state they’re bound to have some great teams on a yearly basis. I don’t think California high school ball is so exceptional proportionately. Any success in CA is a consequence of the huge population, not an organic legit part of the culture.

  368. McD65 says:

    sausman9,havent heard from you in awhile. Those big 33 games were lopside I agree. I attende one of them and they were coached by Bobby Lane. A key reason for the Texas wins was that Texas constantly blitzed which was against the big 33 rules. There is no question that HS football in Texas is a much bigger deal than in Pa.,but not necessarily always on the field. Both states have quality teams every year . Florida and California own the top places IMO. Georgia is not far behind. The Big North teams compete with the best in the US . They are just on another level. Lets talk Pa . football.

  369. Jon Robert says:

    National Guard is out currently searching for all Valley View fans that claimed the Cougars were going to run through the whole Lackawanna League schedule !!!

  370. Jon Robert says:

    @wvw @ RickD
    If you remember I posted early in the summer … WVW IS NOT THAT good of a team …. undisciplined .. I don’t care how many UCLA recruits u have …you have coaches who rather yell at parents in the stands during scrimmages ( you have the Jacksons on staff for heavens sake)

    When you don’t dont have kids who listen and can be coached well it’s going to be a long year

    There’s light though … WVW even at 5-5 or 4-6 will be district Champs because Paupack and Abington are much worse

    Once they leave the confines of the patsy division they are lumped in they will be shown the door immediately

  371. skykng says:

    @frank ja–agree, I was at McDonogh game, I thought Solecki filled in nicely. Like you said, accurate, smart, deceiving speed when needed. He was in pocket during McDonogh game and waited for the fullback to clear the lb’s backside and delivered a strike with the huge monster line of McDonogh (who is the biggest team LaSalle will face this year) in his face. I was impressed. With all the offensive weapons LaSalle has they still have a very formidable team.

  372. WVWFAN says:

    @rick D

    I dont know which post of mine you are referring to because for some reason I cant see them. I made a post after the Scranton game and a post after the Hazleton game. I can give many examples of poor coaching decisions that absolutely affected the outcome of the games.(I gave a few examples in my post after the Scranton game) Im not saying the coaching is their only problem but its a problem.
    As for complex system. You are correct. But thats my point. They dont need to be complex. What ever happened to lining up and pounding the run and throwing when you HAVE to? When you are driving the ball into the other teams territory and get get 8 yards on 1st down, dropping back to pass(with backup as you noted) on 2nd and 2 and taking a 10 yard loss is not very smart football.

  373. Dale says:

    Kevin X: Jones (LaSalle QB) out at least the next 4 weeks. Consequences of the coaching decision to run him as a wildcat on every other play.

  374. phillyboy says:

    @ sausmann9

    How do you think those North Jersey private powerhouses would fare against the best Texas publics?

  375. Frank Ja says:

    @Kevin X

    Jones is out for 5-6 weeks he will be back for Prep & Wood and will not be playing vs Malvern. The backup QB Dan Solecki is solid, he was the JV QB the last 2 years now he got his chance. Coach Gordon will have him ready for MP and everybody else. He has decent arm, very accurate, has a nice tough and very smart and can run if needed. I think he will do well.

  376. Kevin X says:

    Does anybody know (or have an educated guess) on the status of Isaiah Jones (LaSalle QB) for tomorrow nights game against Malvern Prep??? Read that he left last week’s game down in MD with a knee issue.

  377. sausmann9 says:

    I find it funny that some of you are talking so highly of the BNU teams of their size and speed and depth compared to PA teams; you are correct by those assumptions no doubt but in the same manner some of you are actually claiming that our state in on par with Texas teams. Texas is in another league all their own. PA has NEVER faired well against Texas starting all the way back to 1964. I have two newspaper articles from the Big 33 games at that time in which PA coaches and players are quoted as saying “college like things” of those players. PA scored a total of 20 points in three games w/ TX. If our publics played their publics, we would get killed. I lived in TX for some time and football there is completely different than here, that’s the reality of it. Heck some of our school that recruit the best in the state would barely get through their gauntlet of playoff teams and a title game. Their speed and depth across the offensive and defensive lines is simply on another level.

  378. Rick D says:

    @ WVWFAN

    Are you for real?? The Valley West offense is the most diverse I have seen in District 2 in a long time and it has been for 5 or 6 years now. Your OC runs a college style offense and it is very difficult to defend. I have spoken to many DC’s about it and they hate preparing for WVW. Your comments are absolutely ludicrous. Maybe you are a disgruntled parent and your son doesn’t get the ball enough in your opinion?

    Play calls were not the problem in either game. Poor tackling was the problem against Scranton and poor blocking was a key problem against Hazelton. I saw several times that key blocks were just simply missed at the point of attack that prevented big plays from happening. They have also fumbled the ball 8 times in 2 games. But that’s the coach’s fault too right?? And you realize they are playing with their backup QB right??

    I completely understand that sometimes coaches deserve criticism. But you are way out of line. If anything maybe criticize the coaches for a lack of team discipline as that seems to be a problem they just cannot solve. But not the play calling….that is absurd. This OC never coached Lewis and did a phenomenal job of finding ways to get Judge the ball even though everyone in the stadium knew he was getting it.

    Maybe you should apply for the job and call the plays and see how that works out for you. But I am sure that won’t happen….you’ll just continue to use a FAKE NAME on an internet forum to bash coaches who make next to nothing to help YOUR KID. Classy.

  379. MarketStFB says:

    Who cares if Frankford/NG did not play or who did what. I was there to for CE/Carroll, that was a fun game to watch. I went back the next day for West vs Roman, Man Roman stink they got no good players at all, QB was terrible, RB was Terrible, coaching was terrible. Waste of my time being there for that

  380. PanthersFB says:

    Let me understand this. Frankford drove on yellow buses for two hours and then backed out of the game once getting there? Right. Like Frankford has never played on a wet, slick, muddy field before. I forgot that their home field is the Linc and not a grass field at Dyre & Large in Frankford.

    It was a facility decision. Let’s move on. The field was fine on Friday afternoon for CE/AC. It was still in good condition for WC/RC at 11:30. The rain increased significantly right at the end of the Roman-West game. The forecast was for more rain in the coming hours.

  381. Run4daylight says:

    Those North Jersey,teams lines are gigantic. I dont think we can compete with them in the trenches.

  382. Run4daylight says:

    @Cyoball1 you already have.. Im not NG fan at all, I was there for Roman and West Catholic.. The grounds keeper made the call but it was little objection on the Frankford side…

  383. phillyboy says:

    At least you guys were in Wildwood. Did you get the wrist band for Morey’s Pier? I think Maxwell field was the home for Wildwood High Warriors. Along with the Lower Cape May Caper-Tigers and the Middle Township Panthers, that was the triumvirate there. And of course the Wildwood Catholic Crusaders. They never had a football program; if they did it was many decades ago. Holy Spirit was the closest Catholic high school with a football program. St. Augustine’s football program is relatively new.

  384. CyoBall1 says:

    I too was there for the Roman West game. And I am telling you that it was a decision made by the Maxwell field employees, not FF.

    I’m not going to get into a pissing contest over this. We are well aware of your NG fandom. You are insinuating that FF “wussed out” on playing NG. That is ridiculous.

  385. Run4daylight says:

    @Cyoball1 I was there for the Roman game, Trust me Frankford didn’t want to play that game.

  386. Kevin X says:

    So what was the deal with the games Saturday in Wildwood?? Grass field, 3 games scheduled, lots of rain?? If so, guess if the N-G/FF game was the third game of the day, probably a mud bog by then. I’m sure FF would of had some input into the field condition, and if they were really adamant about the condition, could refuse to play. Can’t force a team to play. Guess though the game would of been a forfeit win for N-G. Are they going to make up the game?? Sux for both teams to travel down there and not play, and a little financial hit as well.

  387. CyoBall1 says:

    @Run4Daylight Frankford doesn’t make the call on the field being playable or unplayable. That call was solely on the people who run Maxwell field.
    Frankford had 0 say in playing or not playing that game.

  388. LT4666 says:

    Thanks @run4daylight…I wanted to see how well they would play.

  389. Clark31c says:

    Okay Thanks guys for all the info bee much appreciated….

  390. Dale says:

    Clark31c: Malvern vs. LaSalle is Sat 7pm at Plymouth Whitemarsh

  391. Kevin X says:

    Malvern Prep at LaSalle at Plymouth-Whitemarsh Saturday at 7p. Plymouth-Whitemarsh has a home game on Friday night. Also, both schools’ web site confirm that the game is Sat. at 7p. at P-W.

    @ Buddy, Yeah don’t quit get the “cricket” post either. Not like NP and VV lost to some cupcakes this past Friday. DelVal IMO is one of the 3 best teams in all of NEPA (D2 and D4, northern part of D11) right now, and I think you could make strong argument that DTE is the best D1 6A team right now. Maybe intended more for WVW fans, but I don’t remember much flapping of their gums in the pre-season, mostly found them cautiously optimistic. With that said, nice win for Hazleton, congrats guys!!!

  392. Run4daylight says:

    @LT4666 Frankford said the field was unplayable.

  393. WPRuff says:

    Lasalle vs Malvern is being played at PW if I’m not mistaken.

  394. phillyboy says:

    I hear you McD65, those North Jersey privates are at another level, as much as it hurts to say it. That Big North league has got to be the toughest in the nation, are you kidding ME?! The Cincinnati Catholic league and whatever one is in LA are very strong too.

    You know what I would love to see for one of these premier matchups: have some Temple or Penn State players suit up in the local high school team’s uniforms and proceed to destroy the North Jersey team — would love to see that just once, lol.

  395. Clark31c says:

    Yep your right Sat night…do you know where it is..

  396. David Mika says:

    Clark31c…Unless it changed we have 9/9 …..http://www.easternpafootball.com/db/schedules/viewteam.php5?id=335

  397. Clark31c says:

    Does anybody know where LaSalle and Malvern Prep game will be held at ? I believe it’s on Friday…Thanks

  398. LT4666 says:

    Does anyone know why the Neumann/Frankford game was cancelled?

  399. McD65 says:

    Paramus Catholic is like a college team with size and speed and over all athleticism better than I have seen in awhile. Wood is a good team again this year ,but was over matched .Another tough North Jersey opponent next week in Bergan Catholic.The weather didn’t help either.

  400. Kmac says:


    Thank you for your kind info on possibly meeting at Tennent. I’m afraid I have become a “fair weather” football fan now; when years ago a monsoon would not have deterred me. Chalk it up to 67 seasons and age wear and tear. Still hope for a shot to get together before I am forced to give it up altogether; Heaven forbid!

  401. Buddy says:



  402. Jhon Robert says:

    @wvw fans, @blakelybear VV fans…. North Penn Fans


  403. David Mika says:

    Is the Paramus Catholic (NJ) @ Archbishop Wood game online tonight?

  404. McD65 says:

    K Mac,Tonights Wood/Paramus Catholic game, I will be wearing a black jeff cap and sitting on the Woods side up on the left side of the press box facing the field. Hope to see you there. Should be a good one.

  405. Mike A. says:

    Article on the Coatesville/Cumberland Valley game from PennLive

    Coatesville was limited to two first downs in the second half. The final one came on the game’s last play, a desperation toss to Avery Young.


    “The lineman gave me a hole and I only had to run through. We both came out hard but we had some stupid mistakes. We were in it the whole time. The coaches just told us that we had to do our thing.” — CV RB Jake Palmer

    “They just wear you down a little bit after a while. We started bending and then we finally broke down in the fourth quarter. That’s just something that we can’t afford to do. In the future we’re going to work a little harder to get the outcome that we work so hard for.” — Coatesville’s Avery Young

    “I thought in the second half we wore them down a little bit. In the second half we starting blocking a little better, and I think our conditioning took over a little bit. Once we got that first score I think our kids really started to feel it.” — CV coach Mike Whitehead


  406. Eric W says:

    Very interesting in 6A…the perennial powers having early issues. Plus Emmaus,was on a lot of people’s radar,lost as well


  407. UncleT says:

    Had a chance to catch some SE PA games tonight. Thoughts:

    Perk Valley is looking impressive considering they lost Sturm. Good looking program.

    Coatesville’s loss was justified- they played a very sloppy game. Could be good for them in the long run though to have their lofty expectations grounded a bit.

    D-Town East/NPenn: Wow, what a show. D-Town has playmakers, and NPenn looks like a team that will start peaking in late October, making them a very dangerous 9-16 seed.

    If Garnet Valley ever spends time developing a passing game, they’ll be a 6A title contender. Their running scheme churns out elite production every year; their D is fast and physical; but their QBs are basically just running backs who occasionally toss up hail marys. There’s too much good stuff going on in that program to not have a QB who can execute simple slants, outs, and screens.

    P.S. Anyone see the Mater Dei/Bishop Gorman game? The quality of play and talent was as good as many NCAA games you’ll see this year. Incredible teams.

  408. Jay says:

    Went to the Dtown East – NP game tonight. Not here to make any bold predictions, because I haven’t followed high school football as closely the past couple years, but as a lifelong fan and a graduate from Downingtown myself, I can’t fully explain the satisfaction of dropping 61 points on North Penn. Don’t get me wrong, I have tremendous respect for Coach Beck and their program, and in fact find myself rooting for them if they represent D1 in the state playoffs. But after years of their juggernaut always finding their way past my home team (back when I went to school and played myself, such a juggernaut came via CB West) it’s just really exciting to see.

  409. Mike A. says:

    CV pulled the rope a dope against Coatesville rushing 3 and dropping 8 all night. Coatesville had some success early running with the big gaps but eventually became impatient and tried to pass and more times than not threw incompletions or the QB would up getting sacked or scrambling for a few yards because the receivers were all covered. CV had trouble moving the ball consistently in the first half as the Coatesville “D” had 8-9 men within two yards of the line of scrimmage. CV did hit a few nice passes in the fist half. After falling behind 14-0 on a Coatesville TD with .00 left in the half, CV came out and dominated the second half 21-0. I may be wrong but I don’t remember Coatesville crossing midfield at all in the second half. Both teams made tons of mistakes. For CV it was turnovers and penalties backed up Coatesville. CV went out on downs at the Coatesville 15 and fumbled going in at the Coatesville 5 before finally picking things up in the middle of the third quarter and then wore down the Coatesville defense with the running game in the 4th quarter.

  410. D11 fan says:

    Did North Penn give up 61 to Dtown East? That’s wild the team looked very talented and solid. Work cut out for them.

  411. Buddy says:

    May not be our year…………. oh well.

    We’ll ( NP) make playoffs fer sure. There’s always that “second season’). We should win out rest of regular ( tonite notwithstanding).

    Not sure how far we’ll go in playoffs tho.

    Coatesville lost. D-Town East seems to be the “beast” in D1.

  412. Paul from philly says:

    McDonogh 21 – La Salle 9, final

  413. Chief Red Raider says:

    C’ville vs. CV is on hsslivetv.com

  414. Jacks12 says:

    Great Test for LaSalle playing a top 50 team.

  415. Kevin X says:

    Also, the games broadcast/live streamed on chesmontfootball/3ctv are archived. So you can watch the game (or games) anytime at your leisure if you can’t, or choose not to, watch live.

    There was some talk about the Big Ticket recently, and the show is live streamed at 11p on Friday’s on their web site (wfmz.com) if you don’t have access to their television channel 69.

  416. Buddy says:



  417. phillyboy says:

    Don’t know anything about McDonogh’s football program but their wrestling program is elite. They’re well represented in big tournaments like Beast of the East, etc.

  418. Kevin X says:

    Hey Buddy,

    Try chesmontfootball.com

    There is a link to that site as well thru 3ctv.com

    The game is on their broadcast schedule for tomorrow.

  419. billtown says:

    Paul from Philly.I grew up in Baltimore.McDonough plays in the MSA A conference and that is close to the Philly catholic league. They are always tough and well coached ground and pound team. They usually play Gonzaga and Dematha and other private powers. I would love to see this game but I have to referee at Central Mountain Friday night. Should be a good game.

  420. Tles32 says:

    Also I don’t know this site but I hear hsslive.com will be live streaming COATESVILLE vs Cumberland Valley.

  421. FridayNightLights says:


    I believe chesmontfootball.com will have video

  422. Tles32 says:

    Downingtown East vs North Penn will be on chesmontfootball.com or check out 3ctvlive.com

  423. D2Fan says:

    Does Dunmore even have a good running back this year? Any speed? Seemed fragile in first game

  424. Buddy says:

    Anyone know if there’s live streaming ( or even not so live), OR radio broadcast of the NP at D-Town East game this Friday?

  425. Jeff says:

    @ Eric W I agree Berks Catholic is the only team on the Western side of the bracket that might challenge ECP, from what I’ve seen and heard no team in the WPIAL is going to beat them in the quarter finals, and I expect ECP to play Berks again in the semi-finals in a rematch of last year, right now I give the edge to ECP, but a lot can happen in the next 3 months.

  426. paul from philly says:

    Question for the board.

    La Salle is going south of the border to play the McDonogh School in Maryland. I checked their schedule and they play some pretty good teams. Anyone know anything about them?

  427. Jack1234 says:

    @d12fan Wayne captains thought it would be cute to not shake the PR players hands at the coin toss, that was jurkovec basically giving them the middle finger. The other RB is Jordan Crawford who was the starter last year, it’s a one two punch this year between white and Crawford. Crawfords more of the receiving back while white is the main back that gets carries. White sprained his knee against Wayne and will be out a few weeks so Crawford and a sophimore will be getting most of the carries the next few games. PR has a very good and big line this year, they’ll be able to run the ball on teams. If jurkovec and Their line stays healthy they should make it to Hershey.

  428. D12FAN says:

    Tampa Jesuit is 0-1, looks like they lost at a decent (ranked 67 in Fla) not great fla team 14-10. I’m taking Prep 28-14 in their Fla opener.

  429. John Robert says:

    I know its easy to host coronations for State Champions after one week…(im being facetious of course)

    but I can offer simple to the point observations that more than likely resonate through out each district.

    The overall quality of football play is DOWN..perennial powers aside , teams that were very good and showed signs of greatness in the past are now suffering themselves. Even though high school across the USA tops out at over 1 million participants and at least 50 schools add football biannually, participation has decreased almost 4% each year for the last 5 years.

    Its this decline that is impacting the overall talent…I enjoy good competitive games…but looking at scores just in week one in District 2 there were grossly mismatched scores through out…

    the average margin of victory among District 2 teams was 24 points…(based on 19 D2 teams who played) lowest was 4 highest was 50!!! that means only 4 of the 19 games contested were decided by one score or less

    this also deeply affects competition and morale for the programs as well. Take Pittston Area for example, Nick Barbieri takes over after yet again another coach is allowed 3 years to fail.
    The numbers of participation goes up…PA loses by 19 and the hopes are dashed !

    I hope that this trend slows or stops as a lot can be said about competing on that level. I cant wait for Week 2 …

  430. D12FAN says:

    I have followed Jurkovec for a while and am a big fan. Didn’t like him holding ball out as he scored. He has all the tools and should compete day 1 at ND. PR looks very good, who would have been the RB had White not transferred from WA? Also, after attending many state championships in Hershey and Mansion Park, PA football in December is a lot different than run and gun in August, PR may need to be able to pound it if weather not good, which is likely. Unless a D11 team rises up, this may be D7’s year…

  431. Eric W says:

    Before we hand out state championships in August,just wanted to mention Berks Catholic in D3. They played ECP,last yr in the playoffs, and played them tough,losing 28-14. They have their own set of D1 guys in the backfield,a good QB,big O-Line and a very fast,physical D. Don’t count them out quite yet.

  432. billtown says:

    Had Hollidaysburg/Central Friday night. Great crowd,
    great atmosphere! Very good hard fought rivalry game!
    Had some cramping issues in second half but no injuries in a very clean well coached game on both sides. Both teams should do well this year.
    Hollidaysburg has a kicker who is D1.End zone on 80% of kickoffs. I wish them well and hope both go far in the post season.

  433. Jeff says:

    Those of us in the west were not surprised ECP beat PCC, I expected ECP to win by a couple of scores, although not by the margin they did. ECP is loaded and one of the best teams in the state regardless of classification, no team in the West will challenge them, they will be in Hershey for the 3rd straight year assuming they stay healthy.

    I also don’t see anyone in the West challenging PR, including State College and whoever comes out of District 3, if Jurkovec stays healthy they will be in Hershey.

    I don’t think there’s a team in the WPIAL or the rest of the west that can hang with Harrisburg, so I expect them to be in Hershey as well.

    Yes, it’s early and there’s a lot of football to be played between now and December, but all 3 teams lived up to their preseason hype and then some.

  434. phillyboy says:

    @ phillyboy2

    Pfft, yeah you wish you were me. Mika got my back; he knows who the real phillyboy is.

    But yeah, if North Penn is going to be half stepping this year and no other eastern public steps up for real for real and it ends up that Pine-Richland is the only PUBLIC 6A that can take states, are you kidding ME?! I’ll be out there rooting for them with all the passion and enthusiasm of Pat Croce as they crush one of these private teams. For me, it’s more honorable to root for the public team. If it just so happens that the Pittsburgh area produces a public that can pound one of these privates — then so be it.

  435. McD65 says:

    Most fans knew that Hrrisburg was going to be very good this year with so many talented skill players returning, so their performance was no surprise to me . If Wood meets them in the final it will be a much closer contest and one I look forward to if it turns out that way. Imhoteps performance was disappointing, and embarrassing. They looked like the Tep team that lost to South Fayette a few years back. Penalties and turnovers . They have the talent .

  436. Phil says:

    Pine Richland is for real. You can talk about your NPs, LaSalles, and SJPs, but do not underestimate PR if they stay healthy.

  437. mark d says:

    @Neutral Prep is very good and Abington is very young. i think Abington will be fine, and a lot more competitive in weeks to come.it definalty not one of the better team we seen their in the last few years, but as i said very young.

  438. phillyboy2 says:

    Pine-Richland will be taking States for 6A! No one in the EAST will be able to stop them!

  439. Jon Robert says:

    @ neutral observer

    Prep is very good … AH HIT extremely hard by graduation
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Prep does that to a few teams !

    AH is well coached but Prep allowed no first downs , 50 yds total offense and Abington didn’t cross their own 40 yd line

    I saw WVW … three more Bleichs would not have helped that dumpster fire of a defense .. bad ….

    Dallas took advantage of every opportunity and fired on all cylinders good for them

  440. LT4666 says:

    Imhotep supporter here…
    Shoutout to Harrisburg on their week 0 win over my Panthers.
    A few observations, Tep made too many mistakes to start the game. Missed opportunities, fumbles and penalties put them in an insurmountable deficit. Harrisburg had a great defensive game plan that stifled Tep’s offense. I’m not worried though because this is the beginning of the season and the ship should be righted by playoff time. Tep is a young team with players getting their 1st taste of HS action. It was a great way to see where they stand.

  441. Chief Red Raider says:

    @Red and Black,

    Thanks for the info. — it all makes sense. I hope they cut down on the penalties because they were pretty bad last year — one would think that would be stressed this year. At this point, how do you think they stack up next to last year’s team? (Because it would be great to get a victory at CV).

  442. Neutral Observer says:

    @ all the D2 guys:

    Take away from Week 0?

    – Scranton has some weapons. Wow. What happened to that WVW defense?
    – Is Prep really that good or is Abington Heights really that bad? I’m leaning toward the former. AH is a solid program with a good coach (Rephsis) and a solid pee wee program.
    – I was shocked at Dallas over Coughlin. Not that I was expecting Coughlin to be a world-beater, I just didn’t think Dallas was that improved.

  443. Come on man! says:

    Does anyone have a correct roster for Neumann Goretti? Seems they “forgot” to list all of their star recruits for the year on Maxpreps. I guess they are trying to fly under the radar. No Leddie Brown, Chris Wells or other D1 recruits on the roster. We will see what backlash there may be after first game next weekend.

  444. Jon Robert says:

    Prep totally decimated Abington Heights .

    50-0 doesn’t even give you the whole story

    Abington Heights didn’t have one trip PAST THEIR OWN 40 yd line ! They didn’t have a first down ! Less the 80 yards in offense

    The Scranton Prep coaches pulled every starter at the start of the second half !

    Worst Abington Heights loss at the Pit ever !

  445. Bleed Red & Black says:

    @Chief Red Raider

    Aaron didn’t get a ton of touches against Gratz. Seemed to differ from what Coach Ortega said not that long ago that they were going to try and get the ball in #4’s hands as much as possible. He’s type of kid that once he gets into a rhythm he needs to be fed the ball. He never got into that rhythm last night. Not sure how many carries he ended up with but it wasn’t much more than 10.

    Gratz seemed to load the box and forced Cville into other options. Those options being Ricky running ball a little too much for my liking on both designed and on plays that broke down from pressure or once his primary option wasn’t open. Expect big things from Soph Dapree Bryant this year. Incredible hands for such a young kid (had an unbelievable 1 handed catch last night on a pass across the middle that was behind him).

    Overall I was expecting a lot more from the offense, but It was just the first game and still working off some of the rust. Tons of penalties called on both teams but that was probably common place throughout the state.

    Defense needs improvement tons of missed tackles. That should be fixed before Ches-Mont games get geared up, tons of experience returning in the secondary along with a couple returning guys in the front 7.

  446. Buddy says:


    Yea, DTE could be a challenge, Pennsbury won’t.


    C’ville wins that. CV lost too much. Actually, may not be close.


    Absolutely correct. LS had more diversity. Good way to put it.

    et al:

    Turning point, the INT 3 or 4 minutes before half. NP was driving pretty good. Assuming they get a TD ( not automatic I know), down 1 TD or 3 down at half is HUGE.

    History show that from 1st game to 10th game of season NP is always most improved. Bare none.

  447. McD65 says:

    Harrisburg will be tough this year again. Next week vs McDevitt should be a good game. Tep looked horrible.

  448. Philly Phantic says:

    Some observations from the Top 10 teams:

    LaSalle looked real strong but NP looks like they may beat them in November.

    There no Tep coaches coaching during the game. They all was enjoying the game. Meanwhile, every time a Harrisburg player or group came to the bench, they were being coached and given adjustments.

    St Joes Prep did not skip a beat.

    Did not see Wood but from the news footage I read from out there, they’re defense is strong.

  449. D12FAN says:

    LS NP pretty much as expected, biggest surprises to me were Perk Valley destroying DTW and ECP taking to ECP.

    Anyone know what happened with DTW?

  450. Run4daylight says:

    Im surprised Tep was handled relatively easily….

  451. Kevin X says:

    I think a lot of eastern teams in 4A just got a lot more confident about making a deep post season run……..

    ……but 4A out west, yikes!!!, a whole different ball game……..

  452. Philly Phantic says:

    Who is Tep new defensive coordinator? Wow!!

  453. Philly Phantic says:

    The “Tep” is getting their a$$ handed to them. 20-0 half. They will most likely win from here on out but no state chip this year. This is the first time they may lose 2 in a row since 2012.

  454. skykng says:

    @kevin X–agreed Couldn’t believe he went for it. NP offense scored 21 unanswered and were stuffing LaSalle, had the momentum for sure. That stop took the air out of NP’s sails. NP showed a lot of heart coming back like that, down 28 and being dominated. They looked much more organized the second half then the first. NP will be sure to get better as usual. LaSalle has a ton of offensive weapons at their disposal. Maybe its just me, but I thought LaSalle relied on Jones too much, need to use all those weapons. Jones took a lot of hits last night. My dad didn’t feel as strong as I did about relying on Jones too much. He felt after the first offensive series, LaSalles offense was more diverse. Thoughts anyone that was at the game? Would love to see these 2 teams meet in post season.

  455. Chief Red Raider says:

    I saw Aaron Young had 85 yards or so rushing for Coatesville (which isn’t too shabby, but a bit surprising for him). Was he pretty much bottled up, or did he have limited touches because they were up big at the half? I couldn’t find a real box score anywhere. Any info would be helpful. Also, I’m not a NP fan, but it sounds like despite people getting their shots in at them for losing to LaSalle, that they will be really tough as usual towards the end of the season. It will be interesting to see if D-town East can beat them next week. Any ideas on the Cumberland Valley/Coatesville matchup? I know CV lost some of their best players from last year.

  456. D11 fan says:

    Every team in district 11 you’d have expected to win did so convincingly. Parkland. Easton. Emmaus. Bethlehem Catholic. Things get a lot more interesting next week as better teams play each other. Liberty @ Easton. Emmaus @ Whitehall.
    Great first week and excited to see what the rest of the season brings.

  457. Michael Smoll says:

    @Edger54, were you and I at the same game? Yes, they were rotating defensive lineman in and out, started mid 2nd Qtr, never had all 4 starter out at the same time that I saw. Also LaSalle total yards 322, North Penn 315, other than lack of cohesiveness in the first half and a couple turnovers, which were the difference in the game. North Penn got that straightened out in the second half. You and I must have been at different games.

  458. Kevin X says:

    4th and 3 on your own 30, down only one score with the momentum, 8 minutes left, and you go for it against one of the best defenses out there??? Yes, I know they didn’t have any timeouts, but still, a perfect way to ruin a nice comeback up to that point.

    That was North Penn last night for those of you wondering……

  459. Edger54 says:

    It wasn’t there starting front 4 for a good chunck of the 3rd Qr it was a lot of backups that’s the reason the QB had time to throw. I’m not saying NP isn’t good, they faught hard I’m just saying LaSalle is much deeper and better and stronger upfront. Hopefully they meet again. NP needs to worry about DTE and Pennsbury because it would really suck starting 0-3

  460. Michael Smoll says:

    BTW I think Palisades made a statement tonight in District 11.

  461. Michael Smoll says:

    @Edger54, what game were you at???????????? LaSalle had 2 non-starters in and it was 28-0 when North Penn made a serious run. Game went pretty much like I expected, a team with 19 starters back looked cohesive and the team with 11 new players didn’t especially in the 1st half, just like you’d expect, North Penn will be more than just fine.

  462. Buddy says:

    Simply not ready for prime time……………but they will be.

  463. Champ says:

    Edger you realize the starters were in right? It was 28-21 LS and NP ball with a chance to tie. NP couldn’t have played a worst first half and still had a chance to tie the game at that point. A lot of new guys coming together and gave LS too many opportunities with short field which they capitalized on. NP will be fine.

  464. Edger54 says:

    @District 1

    Where ya at? NP by 2TDs tonight right ? Bhaaaa LaSalle blew them out the water, it coulda been a lot worse if lasalle kept in there Defensive starters up 28-0. Henley is nice though I’ll give ya that

  465. Eric W says:

    Didn’t take long for the upsets to begin

    Camp Hill
    Notre Dame

  466. Eric W says:

    How about PCC getting trounced by Cathedral Prep,40-7!! That’s a Big Wow

    #2 team in 6A in the west? Amazing

  467. Dale says:

    Wait. Wasn’t North Penn definitely supposed to win? In a blowout?

  468. Clark31c says:

    In the 6A rankings how did not North Penn make it in the top 5…not sure how the rankings work..let me know Thanks guys

  469. Fl says:

    I grew up in Pennsylvania and live in Florida and go to a lot of high school football games. PA football as just as good the only difference is in Florida like in Texas there’s a few more loaded teams in the top end and that’s in part because the schools are bigger and the populations in FL, TX are massive compared to PA. Even the top end teams IMG and Thomas Aquinas, St Joes could complete and in my mind beat either one. Their playing Jesuits from Tampa which is ranked in the top 50 in Florida so it’ll be a good indicator to smander that PA football is just as good

  470. pete says:

    May all the boys playing HS football tonight come out of the games healthy and proud of themselves for going out on those fields and competeting! GO GHOSTSCAND GO #55!! Thomas Lukens!! GO GET EM T! Both sides T!

  471. pete says:

    @smander If pa football is a joke, how come we have the top qb’s coming out of this area? Guys that are in the HOF. And how come we routinely have our O-LINE and D-LINE guys get D1 scholarships? How come schools like Alabama and florida pick up kids from this area?

  472. McD65 says:

    Smander,You are the joke. I also watch football around the country as well as others on here. What make you the expert?? All I know is that Pa. football is good quality ball. I give some Texas teams their due props , but for you to come on here with a know it all attitude and dis our football is obnoxious and unfounded as well as uncalled for. Take off .I’m done with you.

  473. Run4daylight says:

    @ Smander, I agree Texas football is different they play by different rules. A neutral field game Prep,WOOD Tep could compete with anyone. HOWEVER, I Don’t think they can go into TEXAS N GET A WIN AGAINST THE elite. The powers that be won’t allow it too happen..

  474. Cyoball1 says:

    @Me.. correction, VERY SHADY stuff there.
    “The camera wasn’t working during their first 10 plays” What a coincidence!!

  475. Bob Hines says:

    @ Smander

    Well the only hard proof we have is the ’13 game vs Dallas Jesuit thats a a 48-27 SJP win. Last year they played ZERO public teams before the state playoffs. Smoked Oaks Christian (CA), and beat Don Bosco, Wood, LaSalle and Pittsburgh Central Catholic all in pretty convincing fashion. But okay buddy whatever you say!

  476. Buddy says:

    @ Smander:

    So the national pollsters are wrong & you’re right? You know more than they do?

    OK. yea.


    The intelligencer are homers for the SOL.
    But I hope they’re right.

  477. Phillypub says:

    @Me well then why not tell the team that when you exchange? It just makes it look bad. Real programs that’s funny. Every program uses Hudl now so you just set up an exchange. Step into the times my friend.
    Good luck to all the school on a healthy and successful season!

  478. d3 fan says:

    hey david m – thanks for adding the past schedule/records. I’ve been hoping for that. Good luck as the season starts. GO WYO !

  479. Me says:


    No shady stuff with the film bro. They had a camera issue which caused NG to miss the first 10 play series. Nothing shady. I was taught real programs record and scout their own games for this reason. NG scrimmage Camden and Paul IV over in Jersey today, they look alright.

  480. Smander says:


    I watched St Joe’s last year and there’s no way they were a top 25 team nationally let alone 8th. That team had very little speed and talent outside of Swift. A big ofish line and playing predominantly public schools without the same advantages. I watch football all around the country and PA ball is a joke.
    You put a top TX team in there with St Joe’s and watch them get spread out. The big slow LB’s have no chance in space.
    Enjoy the season guys. I’m out.
    TX > FL > CA > OH > PA.

  481. District1 says:


    I am not the only one that feels this way. Watch the video

  482. Matt says:

    AAAAA: Wood, Harrisburg (although they play in West for playoffs)Whitehall, WVW

    AAAAAA: SJ Prep, Coatsville, LaSalle, Parkland, North Penn…..I know I gave three for AAAA and five for AAAAAA…

    Tomorrow’s the day!

  483. Matt says:

    My top 4 in each class
    A: Williams Valley, Steel High, Old Forge, Marian (Bishop G is technically west but plays in east for playoffs)
    AA: Southern Columbia, Dunmore, NG, Camp Hill
    AAA: Scranton Prep, Notre Dame GP, Middletown, Palisades
    AAAA: Tep, Becca, ACC

  484. David Mika says:

    Route 54, tomorrow at 8am

  485. Route 54 says:

    @Dave. Thank you. I have forgot that you have that application on your site. What time will the top 5 be released tomorrow?

  486. District1 says:

    PA Prep top 20

    Let’s see what they have here tomorrow.

  487. Bob Hines says:

    Save the Game,

    Um did you click on the picture? It takes you to an article about teaching kids the proper tackling and blocking techniques led by Perk Valley coach Lindberger and SJP’s Infante.

    Check it out

  488. Phillypub says:

    @run4daylight I’ve now seen the full scrimmage of NG and BL and agree NG is gonna a be a problem this year. Definitely some shady stuff going on over there though that their coaches gave a bad film to another team.

  489. David Mika says:

    Route 54, You can also do that on my site. Click on Score Stream on my site.

  490. Route 54 says:

    For anyone that likes to post scores, comment on games during or after. The score stream app for cell phones come in handy. You can follow multiple teams by adding them to favorites. It’s a clean app for cell phones. I’ve been using it for 3 years without any problems which include spam. You will or can download it from WNE 16 website under sports, High school.

  491. PAfootballfan17 says:

    What is everyone’s top 5 preseason rankings?

  492. John Robert says:

    @neutral observer

    No Worries about the Scranton Prep or Dunmore QB situation.

    Prep and Dunmore with their lines will run at will over their opponents.

    Dunmore and Prep will be able to throw if they have to …

    Really doesnt matter the situation.

  493. Sam Stewart says:

    @Save the Game

    The photo is taken from the front cover of our print preview section, which was released this morning in our newspapers. The photo was chosen to be paired with our main story in both the online and print versions studying the effects of helmet to helmet contact and whether concussions were hindering player turnout at each level of competitive football. We also have another in-depth read on the Heads Up program and what a former NFL player is doing to combat helmet-to-helmet hits in both print and online versions.

    Hope this answers it,

  494. D1football says:

    David/Save the Game-

    Sam Stewart of the Pottstown mercury runs the pa Prep Live site.. Here you go:

    Pa Prep Live Editor – Sam Stewart

    Email: sstewart@pottsmerc.com

    Phone: 610-850-0275

  495. D1football says:

    Here you go…

    Sam Stewart of the Mercury runs the pa prep live site. Email him at :

    Pa Prep Live Editor – Sam Stewart

    Email: sstewart@pottsmerc.com

    Phone: 610-850-0275

  496. David Mika says:

    Save the Game, Did you contact them?

  497. Save The Game says:

    Whomever operates or knows who operates the PaPrep Live website, please have them remove their cover photo of two players running into each other head to head with poor tackling techniques—> http://www.papreplive.com/ We are trying to save our sport by promoting and teaching proper tackling techniques and this picture goes against everything football. I hope no kids see this picture and think its proper. It lets you know some media outlets who cover this great game are really out of touch with sustaining it. GEESH!!

  498. Buddy says:


    I gotta agree with daryl here philly.

    I’m sure other 6A fans are disenchanted over the football factories of LaSalle, SJP, north Penn and a few others.

    Pretty much predictable every year. Not really good for local football.

  499. daryl says:

    @PHILLY BOY so have one or two super teams in area and screw everyone else? that’s the dumbest thing ive heard man the beauty of high school football is you have local schools that people can go and cheer on neighborhood kids on Friday nights.save the super teams for d-1 college.ive seen this type of crap in pee wee football,teams recruiting every good kid they can until there is no local competition at all

  500. phillyboy says:

    Yeah, Texas definitely has a patent on the mega-high school. They have some huge enrollment high schools, both in affluent suburbs and in some isolated medium sized towns. Personally I love the concept especially in how it relates to the success of the football teams. A humongous public school is the natural antidote to the recruiting privates or so-called select teams. It’s a matter of sheer numbers; the higher the enrollment the greater the odds of assembling a very talented team. Even then it’s not a guarantee; the one blogger mentioned that ECP had their way against Mentor OH (a Texas-like public) in their scrimmage. But still, it’s a good head start; combine that with tons of community support and great coaching and there you go — no cowering, no fear, bring it. And those giant Texas public schools do dominate.

    In fact, I think the PIAA should allow for open enrollment WITHIN school districts. For example, the best players at Central Bucks should be able to play on the same team. Same thing for Downingtown and West Chester among others. Absolutely they should allow this. They way it is now just stinks; you got 2 or 3 totally watered down teams — whoop-de-do. School districts would have the choice of eliminating redundant teams or again, simply permit the best players to be on the same team within the district. Would it be fair to the other high schools that happen to have the “B” or “C” squad? No, it wouldn’t — but who cares? It’s more important to have a home team that the community can rally around than to have 2 or 3 homogenized punching bags that are mired in the malaise of mediocrity.

  501. McD65 says:

    Buddy, Our current High Schools can compete with Texas teams any day regardless of the size of the school. You underestimate us. St Joe Prep was # 8 I believe last year. Every year we have great teams. If the Texas guy wants speed just look to Saturdays game Harrisburg/ Imhotep. Erie Cathedral Prep can play with anyone this year. Anyway, the guy just rubbed me the wrong way. I saw the Nationally ranked Katy team play a couple years ago and they were very well coached ,but NOT FAST and were NOT that big. Lets get back to Pa. Great games this weekend to start the year.

  502. Buddy says:


    Whoa! Settle down there fellow! You’re looking like a “sore loser” here! He’s from Texas, their #1 crop……………arrogance!

    There are Pa. teams ranked in the top 20 nationally quite often. Many higher.

    CB West in the 80’s & 90’s ( top 5 several times), SJP in the early 2000’s ( top 10). Even North Penn made #8 in 2003.

    If we had the quantity and size high schools of Calif. & texas, we kill ’em !

  503. McD65 says:

    Smander,Save your Texas BS for someone who gives a damn. Go to the LaSalle/ North Penn Game watch Coatsville ,Wood vs Paramus Catholic and on and on. Our football is solid and those North Jersey teams at always ranked in the top echelon of HS football. I have seen some Texas teams and some good some not so good like most states. Now I wish the Prep could play one of your teams and slug them in the mouth. Have a nice day.

  504. Buddy says:

    @ CYO:

    Slick move! Just to mess with people like you!

  505. Kevin X says:

    @ 6-2 Stack Monster

    Thnx for the confirmation on the SJP/SPP game. I saw on the SJP website that they updated the information.

  506. CYOBall1 says:

    @District1 why do district one teams swap jerseys with teammates during their preseason scrimmage?

    Bush League move!

  507. 6-2 Stack Monster says:

    Correct. Prep vs. SJ Montvale Thursday 1:00pm at South Philly Supersite

  508. Buddy says:


    Yea, I love the bantering too. NP by 7.


    Yea, yea yea, we all know about Texas football.
    It’s a religion & a business down there ( hell, they just built a 72 million dollar high school stadium!)

    There’s 1800 high schools in Texas. Only Calif. has more ( 2000). Every other state in the union has UNDER 1000. Some of the high schools have college populations. Think any of that matters?

  509. District1 says:

    The scores Long pass to #5 Haynes from QB #6
    Long Pass to #1 Henley
    Screen to #25 75 Yards Cartwright
    long run #25 Cartwright
    Long Run #11 Khan
    Long Run #8 Bowski

    If you need the Hudl
    Link let me know give me a break clueless. All under the clock when 1st teams scrimmaged know what you talking about.

  510. District1 says:

    @Edger54 you do realize that the first 2 series of offense was not the starting Offense. Do you also realize #5 is not the QB Henley wasn’t wearing his # none of them was and he didn’t take 1 snap as QB. When they went to 1’s VS 1s under the clock they scored 5x to PW 0X. Do I need to tell you every score and who scored. No clue. I hope you think they showed everything all they did was run the ball and did it well. Talk to me Saturday.

  511. Rick D says:

    You guys talking about Dunmore and Prep…..how did each look against Dallas and Crestwood?? Asking more as a WVC guy wondering if Dallas and Crestwood are still poor football teams.

  512. Smander says:

    I’m originally from Texas and I went to the Bergen/SJP scrimmage and one thing really caught my eye. Are teams up here usually that slow team speed wise? It’s typical Yankee football big slow players drudging around the field. I’ve never seen so many guys who run on their heels. If these teams are supposed to be good I’m in for it. They’d be about the 60th best teams down there. Thoughts?

  513. HaroldSakata says:

    Dunmore should have enough to win a few games in the state playoffs. SCA has too much back to pick against them at this point however.

  514. WVWFAN says:

    @Natural Observer

    WVW QB is a TE converted to QB. He throws a decent ball but his real strengths are his size 6-2ish 215lb.ish and his athleticism. He isnt afraid to run. He isnt the fastest but his size can wear teams down. Him, Davies, and Mikovitch should be a decent 3 headed monster. Davies being more of a power back. Mikovitch a little shiftier than the other 2.
    Im excited to see them play Scranton. WVW gave up maybe (1 or 2) 1st downs to Lehman in their scrimmage. WVW should be good on defense. As Ive said before they just need to stay disciplined and keep the penalties in check.

  515. McD65 says:

    I love the bantering between LaSalle and North Penn guys. LaSalle by 12.

  516. McD65 says:

    6-2 stack monster, Will the Prep be scrimmaging Thursday vs St Joe Montvale at the south Philly Super site at 1?? Thanks

  517. Buddy says:

    Yo boys:

    I’m not hedging at all. I wasn’t at the scrimmage so I don’t know. I assumed it was honest reporting.

    I have no fear of NP season. If they beat LS, they will go undefeated. Even if they don’t, that will be their only lose. I think they can beat LS and will.

    Frankly, I’m more concerned about Coatesville the n LS. C’ville ( if they meet) has the ability to end their season, LS does at this point

  518. Blakely Bear says:

    As far as Scr Prep making deep playoff run, 2 things will hurt them. One, I saw the Middletown game last year, the difference in team speed is very noticeable, plus the running backs and receiver speed too. Not to mention style of play. When our local teams get to a certain level, the difference prevails. Two, although Prep plays a really good regular season schedule, the District playoffs at the AAA level is too easy, doesn’t prepare them for states.
    Dunmore’s quarterback is playing, and Scranton Prep will be a powerful running team, so quarterback play won’t be as important. You think Berwick won’t have a kid who can do a good job at quarterback?

  519. Edger54 says:


    Give me a break, i am neutral on NP & PW and i was there just to watch from HS Football. Overall there was no scoring until about 45 minutes into the scrimmage when the QB lofted a pass an #5 came down with it, they didnt score on the first 35-40 plays. They didn’t score until about 20 plays later on a Long Run which was nice, the 2 other scores were VS the JV of PW. Varsity had 2 maybe 3 TDs not 35-0 like you stated. PW is not good at all, they have no weapons, Like somebody else said in this thread NP’s QB #6 or 10 whoever it was is not going to lead them anywhere, if they were smart #5 will be the QB which is most likely going to happen. If i’m La Salle i am not worried one bit about NP this year, last year yes but not this year. La Salle’s front guys will control this game and #6 will be running for is life.

  520. Phillypub says:

    Ok so I wasn’t at the scrimmage. I got the Hudl video from a friend. The first 20 plays (10 plays for each offense) on the video that was filmed by NG was 2 scores for boys Latin and 0 scores for NG. Maybe they were playing their JV at that time I don’t know. Don’t know why a school would send a Hudl video with their backups in? If it was their backups I apologize, I thought it was the starters because it was the start of the video. I don’t care if NG is great or not my only comment was the team I saw on video wasn’t as good as I’ve been hearing that’s all. No disrespect to them we will find out soon enough.

  521. Come on man! says:


    Can u give more detail about NG? I saw a few clips that were obviously JV but nothing with varsity.

  522. Neutral Observer says:

    @ WVWFan

    That’s my fault; I was pretty vague. The 4 teams are solid in the running game and on defense. It seems like QB is the big question mark for all of them.

    Dunmmore: The last I’d heard the QB was quitting football for the javelin, so they needed to find a new QB. I hadn’t heard if they had.

    Prep: From the local news, it looks like it is still up in the air as to the starter is going to be. Maybe a 6’7″ basketball player? Is he any good?

    Berwick: The last I’d heard was that Jared Marshman was out for the year so they needed to find a new one. Any news on that?

    WVW: The last I’d heard was they were moving a former TE to QB?

  523. Michael Smoll says:

    Like I said early LaSalle by 3 TD’s in the first game of the year, if this were say the 4th or 5th game of the year it’s a toss up. North Penn has too many fresh faces to be cohesive early. But come the end of the season, well that’s Knight Time.

  524. WVWFAN says:

    @Natural Observer

    What do you mean by uncertainty?

  525. Connor says:

    Does anyone think Dunmore or Scranton Prep have a shot to make a deep playoff run this year?

  526. David Mika says:

    Nice job, Mike A

  527. Mike A. says:

    My initial Eastern top ten (6A and 5A)
    Class AAAAAA
    1) St. Joseph’s Prep
    2) North Penn
    3) Parkland
    4) La Salle
    5) Emmaus
    6) Coatesville
    7) Cumberland Valley
    8) Wilson
    9) Garnett Valley
    10)Dowingtown East

    Honorable Mention:
    State College, Ridley, Freedom, Central Dauphin

    Class AAAAA
    1) Archbishop Wood
    2) Harrisburg
    3) Southern Lehigh
    4) Governor Mifflin
    5) Manheim Central
    6) Springfield (Delco)
    7) Exeter Township
    8) West Chester East
    9) West Chester Henderson
    10)Marple Newtown

    Honorable Mention:
    Lower Dauphin, Whitehall, Cedar Crest, Cocalico

  528. Run4daylight says:

    @PhillyPub, the two backs scored everytime they touched the ball and they only played 2 series. Boys latin scored a td with the JV in…. Men lie and Women lie video doesnt ….

  529. District1 says:

    @Phillyboy NP 35-0 in less than a half when they went to the clock for a half. Honestly PW didn’t get a 1st down until they put in the JV.

  530. CoalRgnFtBallFan says:


    Can you elaborate? NG has size on the lines, some rb’s. Can they throw? How is their defense?

  531. Bucksfootball70 says:

    How did AB Wood due in their scrimmage? What is the outlook for the upcoming season?

  532. Kevin X says:

    @ McD65

    I went back to the PCN website, and the game is listed as on their schedule for Sat. @ 1p. They are also going to re-broadcst it Sat. night @ 9p, like they usually do with their Friday night games.

    Also, there was an article on PennLive a few days ago about the game being televised as well.

    @ Buddy

    Sounds like you’re hedging. NP will be more than fine this year. 9-1, 8-2, top 6 seed. They may loose Friday to LaSalle, and maybe on the road next week to D-Town East, but they should run the table after that. I give almost zero credence to all this scrimmage talk, 7 on 7s, other drills, camps, etc. Avoiding major injury in my key to these exercises (see Trey Potts). I’ll even take these first games this weekend with a grain of salt. We’ll find out the contenders and pretenders by the end of September.

  533. District1 says:

    @Buddy you feeding into that Lasalle junk. That dude has no knowledge. Don’t know what hes talking about. I was there the kid threw one pass that floated a little that ended up as a touchdown. He only missed a few but the rest was completions and a gorgeous deep end one that went for a touchdown. The running game was great Khan, Cartwight and the other back all breaking long ones for TDS. Talking about the defense being to small no clue what hes saying 2 returning starters there and the 2 new starters are bigger than last year starters. Thomas didnt even play in scrimmage and PW didnt get one 1st down. Don’t listen to that junk I am trying to figure out how they going to stop NP 13 point laughable. Ill post Saturday morning lets see what they have to say. Buddy smh @ you.

  534. mark d says:

    @Neutral i am being told that Dunmore qb is back and is going to play this year. Berwick qb is out Prep i am told is very doubtfull.WVW i just don’t know or have any info

  535. 6-2 Stack Monster says:


    I don’t know if ‘wide open’ is the right term for the PCL Red, but I do think we’ll see some level-setting and quite possibly some epic games this season. I agree that Bergen was the better, more polished team vs Prep on Saturday (and I love your comment about Bergen fans continuing to ‘smell themselves’!).

    However, I think we should provide some framework on the game to add some perspective. Bergen runs a spread option, so their QB was fair game, while SJP runs the spread, and their QB was in an alternate uniform and “off-limits”; he held the ball in the pocket on a number of plays where would ordinarily would have run. Bergen was in pads in the spring, and this was their second or third scrimmage. They should look more polished. The score at halftime was 7-0 Bergen, so I think that’s a good representation of how the first half went as a whole. Bergen’s offense was able to move the ball well (and dropped a wide-open TD pass).

    I disagree that Prep’s defense looked good. They were often out of place, there were missed assignments aplenty, and they gave up several big yardage plays. That said, as a unit they are still one of the best in the area, just not so much on Saturday. Bergen’s other two scores came in the second half against the subs, with one of them very late with coaches and subs on the field behind the offense. They still count, obviously, but with a grain of salt.

    You are not alone in your concern for Prep’s offense – it would be tough for any team to replace what they lost to graduation. But I don’t get the sense that their O-line is “cobbled together.” All new names for sure as last year’s line was five seniors (six if you include the TE). Yes, four of those six are sophomores this year. But if Prep’s reputation holds, you are given nothing and earn everything, which should tell us something about those young guys. Both guards are sophs and are ridiculously big. There will be mistakes and growing pains, and there were some on Saturday, but I agree with you that it will be interesting to see how they gel. I would love to see a late season match-up of these two, but will have to settle for the old “team a beat team b who beat team c” comparison when Wood plays both squads for real.

    As a unit, Prep’s offense was able to move the ball vs. Bergen, and twice stalled inside the 10 yd line going in. So while they didn’t look like the offense of years past, they didn’t get their doors blown off, either. Given the lofty rankings of both teams, I thought that what I saw Saturday was about what you would expect from both teams at this time of year.

    @Kevin X:

    As McD65 stated, Caroll does have a mini-stadium with lights on school grounds. They put in a (smallish) grandstand last year and I heard they have improved the playing surface, while keeping it grass. Imagine that – having to remove grass and mud stains from football uniforms in 2017…. Word on the bricks is that President Fox and Coach Conner are all-in to up Carroll’s game to compete. There seems to be a vibe out there in Radnor, and they have a hell of a rising sophomore class. They could suprise some folks this season.

    Also, confirmed that the SJP / SPP game will be at Widener with a 7:00pm kickoff.

  536. Buddy says:

    Sounds like North Penn’s in trouble for the game against LaSalle.

    I doubt that NP will miss the playoffs though.
    Since a ridiculous 16 teams from D1 make it.

    Maybe we’ll meet again in playoffs. Like I said before, I see Coatesville standing in the way. D-Town East could give us grief also.

    Of course, I haven’t conceded anything yet.

  537. Phillypub says:

    I just watched the NG scrimmage on Hudl and they weren’t nearly as good as people make them out to be. I think it was 3 scores to 2 and they played boys Latin who are not even top 5 pub team.

  538. Neutral Observer says:

    @ all the D2 guys:

    A lot of uncertainty at QB for the top D2 teams (Dunmore, Prep, Berwick, WVW). Any news on any of those situations?

  539. phillyboy says:

    @ Matt

    Thanks for the heads up about the Big Ticket online.

    @ JP

    What was the score of the North Penn/PW scrimmage?

    @ CYOBall

    I was referring to Bergen all the way.

  540. McD65 says:

    KevinX, Carroll does have a mini stadium with lights at the school. I checked PCN for Saturday at 1 and they don’t have the Tep game listed. Can you verify that it will be on live, thanks Kevin.

  541. D12FAN says:

    check that 2020 JP’s post….

  542. 2020vision says:

    @D12 Fan

    I am confused with these reports of QB Jones being Inconsistent and the DBs for LaSalle being sketchy. I have seen Jones at almost every 7 on 7 and i have seen nothing but consistency and poise from him, this past Saturday Jones had 2 TD passes and no INTs and ran a great offense, the first series of 10 i think they scored 3x so they are false reports of that since i have seen with my own eyes. As for the DBs they are quick an tough but always can use improvement, Downingtown West 1st team couldn’t do anything Vs LS on O or D.

  543. D12FAN says:


    Nice post very insightful, I agree, LS 42 NP 13. LS too big up front esp if NP does not have the size or a legit rb threat to chew up clock…

  544. CYOBall1 says:

    @Phillyboy are you referring to SJP or Bergan?

  545. JPrunner says:

    I saw North Penn Vs PW on Saturday… NP is no where near as good as they were last season i know it’s August and they will get better but a week from the season opener they should be concerned with the Offense, the QB #6 might be there downfall hes not even close to the talent of last years QB Udinski. The tough schedule to start might be to much for him because he didn’t look good at all, VS a Team like La Salle on Friday he might be in for it, my opinion Henley will be there starter by week 3. #6 did throw up a few passes that were caught for TDs but it didn’t look pretty. NP does have athletes but i think its going to be hard to get them the ball, on Defense they are pretty decent but small up front but quick at the DB position. PW is very small, they couldn’t move the ball at all on NP they have a couple kids that can play but that’s it. It will be a long season for PW opening with Downingtown East this week.

    My Prediction for Friday
    DTE 42
    PW 0

    North Penn 13
    LaSalle 35

  546. Sid Farunman says:

    Any district III scrimmage reports?

  547. phillyboy says:

    One more thing about Bergen Catholic. Their football program undoubtedly is a fine tuned machine. They always seem to have the prototypical player for each position, great coaches, their own stadium. Even their uniforms for a scrimmage seemed brand new and crisp with the bright red and gold. Then you have the alumni and fans who continue to smell themselves. IMO it’s one of the most self-perpetuating, artificial, money-driven high school ventures on planet Earth — the antithesis of an organic community team.

  548. D12FAN says:

    I heard pretty much the same Dale, that LS very athletic across the board, good size and speed with some inconsistencies throwing and with secondary coverage and tackling. I think this is what a lot people posted earlier, but most teams will have these issues early. Good to hear ls should be more competitive with Prep and Wood this year.

    NG just may go from 0-9 to Hershey.

    Tampa Jesuit who Prep plays week 1 is the real deal beat Gaither 41-7 in scrimmage and adjusted without RB Malik Davis from last year. Jesuit should be more balanced and very strong on D.

    Oxbridge Academy who Wood plays week zero was 10-2 last year, one loss to IMG, and returns almost everyone, 3 D1 DB/WR’s and a very fast RB, destroyed a much smaller Lake Worth team 55-12 in scrimmage.

  549. Run4daylight says:

    I saw Neumann Goretti this weekend, they are going to be a big problem…..

  550. Dale says:

    LaSalle scrimmage vs Dtown West……….LaSalle looks better than expected. Running back was a pre-season question, but Quiles looked fast, quick, and strong (his durability is a legit concern). Jones/qb very athletic (as expected), but passes were a little inconsistent. Receivers made up for it…..returning so many veterans like Trainer who just go up and get the ball. Doesn’t hurt that Marvin Harrison Jr (fresh, receiver) is playing up on varsity…..super soft hands, and knows how to run the fade in the corner of the end zone. Defense looks good all the way back to the LBs, but cornerback is a little sketchy. Overall, LS has lots of athletes, size, and many returning starters…….. with some question marks left (like most teams right now in Aug).

  551. Matt says:

    My Colonial League week 1 picks
    Salisbury at Catty…Catty 30-20
    Palmerton at Northwestern….NW 21-14
    Bangor at Saucon Valley….SV 35-20
    Southern Lehigh at Northern Lehigh…SL 34-13
    ND Green Pond at Palisades(game of week) NDGP 27-26
    Pen Argyl at Wilson Area…PA 28-7

  552. RedRovers2017 says:

    I saw highlight clips from both Wilson West Lawn-Parkland and Easton-Coatesville. How did the four squads look yesterday? From the clips, it looked like Ruisch is poised for a big year for Parkland and that Jake Herres from Easton may be a breakout guy at wideout. Certainly Coatesville and WWL are contenders in their Districts, how did the D11 squads stack up?

  553. Kevin X says:

    Hey all, looking for a clarification. I saw on the SJP website, their home game Sat. Sept. 9th vs St. Peter’s Prep is at 2p at Northeast HS. Here it listed at Widener @ 7p.

    Also, does Archbishop Carroll have their own stadium on their grounds, or do they play their home games at Radnor HS or elsewhere.

    Thanks guys!!!

  554. McD65 says:

    FYI, Wood opening game with Oxbridge Academy will not be televised as originally planned. Glad to hear that the Harrisburg/ Tep game will be on PCN, that is great news.

  555. Henni1 says:

    Any updates from Downingtown West vs Lasalle yesterday?

  556. D12FAN says:

    McD You are correct, I saw where Jesuit graduated their RB, who was most of their offense though. I agree Prep may have their hands full, but should be ready after BC and SJR scrimmages. Bergen favored to win North NJ league, and ranked 7 in country. Wasn’t at scrimmage but sounds like Prep D did well. Early for most offenses as most teams are still finalizing personnel, especially after you lost a good bit.

  557. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    Damn! I forgot all about it! And I could have made that one too! Anyone?

    @ philly:

    That’s not a bad score. Bergen’s a power house every year. Bodes well for Prep.


    Yea, that’s a big game. I think NP vs LS is bigger though. Of course I’ll be at the game even if ESPN was covering it.

  558. McD65 says:

    D 12 fan, Just a fyi st. Joe Prep vs Tampa Jesuit will be a tough game for the Prep. Tampa Jesuit was 12-1 last year with their only loss to American Heritage who is usually a top ranked team 21-14 in the playoffs. As you mentioned st. Peter Prep is loaded with quality players at almost every position. Between the Prep and Wood IMO have one of the toughest schedules in the state along with Erie Cathedral Prep. It should be an exciting start to the season.

  559. phillyboy says:

    The Prep dropped a tough one today in South Philly to Bergen Catholic 21-7. I don’t know, this could be the first year in a while that the PCL large division is wide open. Curious to see what Ryan and Judge bring to the table. But yeah, Prep’s defense was pretty good. On the other side of the ball there’s some concern. Seems like they cobbled together an offense consisting of a stud QB and some rising 10th graders. Be interesting to see how it gels.

  560. Come on man! says:

    Any reports from scrimmages today? Particularly interested in Neumann Gorreti report. Thanks. Hope everyone stayed healthy today. Real stuff starts next week.

  561. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, some good news, looks like PCN is televising live the Imhotep/Harrisburg game next Saturday (1p).

    That’s their first game of their “Game of the Week” schedule for this season, they don’t have the rest of the season’s schedule out yet (or at least I didn’t see it).

  562. Eric W says:

    Parkland/WWL scrimmage today…both 1st team O Lines looked good, handled each other’s D Lines…both starting QB’s played well, also. Trojans look pretty well rounded this year on offense. Bulldogs not bad,but losing the entire WR staff from last year showed today.

  563. Connor says:

    I just heard Lakeland lost a starting receiver and cornerback in their scrimmage against Wyoming Area. They can’t catch a break this year.

  564. FridayNightLights says:

    Any updates on the North Penn-PW scrimmagewould be greatly appreciated. Unfortunately, I had to go to the Outer Banks this week…life is rough.

  565. Footballdad99 says:

    @phillyboy I agree the big ticket is fantastic. I get jacked up watching all the highlights including schools and places I don’t even know.

  566. Matt says:

    @phiilyboy….the big ticket show on WFMZ puts game highlights from the show on the website….wfmz.com the next morning (Saturdays) just click sports and then big ticket on the website……


  567. Youngin99 says:


    I agree with you all the way. Have to beat Prep to be anything. Prep got a QB sophmore who really good.

    LaSalle has alot of players to that can play. I cant wait for Friday night

  568. CYOBall1 says:

    @youngin I understand your perception of what they have coming back and who they lose.
    Keep in mind that this is a program that has stockpiled talent over the past 5 years. Seniors moving on only opens the door for underclassmen to move up and prove themselves.
    They have the guys. They are an overwhelmed, out of place QB away from potentially winning 4 consecutive state championships. Had they gone with McCray two years ago they wouldn’t have lost to LaSalle in the PCL title game.
    With ALL of that being said , I do agree Wood and LaSalle are both formidable opponents. I think LaSalle has the pieces to win the PCL Red. To be the best you have to beat the best.
    One week away!

  569. phillyboy says:

    Man I would love to be able to watch the Big Ticket high school football show each week. That show rocks, but seems the only way to get it is with cable; I wish it could be seen online. So I try to catch the WNPV 1440 Scoreboard show Friday nights with Jeff Nolan and company which is fantastic. Catch the feature North Penn game with Berger as play-by-play guy, then leads into the Scoreboard show — it’s good stuff.

  570. NP Football says:

    For all my NP fans out here.

    Hype Video

  571. Youngin99 says:

    I think they will struggle to score points, i know the QB back and is pretty good but they lost so much on offense. From what i read they return 3 on O 7 on D an have a lot of underclassmen which means they are young with less experience. I am friends with a few players and they told me they banged up already

  572. CYOBall1 says:

    @youngin99 how are you so sure the Prep will struggle with LaSalle and Wood?
    You understand that SJP returns 8 starters on defense right?
    SJP has plenty of athletes.

  573. Route54 says:

    SCA. Looks like they’re the real deal this year. 2 competitive games,Mt.Carmel and selinsgrove. Don’t see an upset in both of those games.

  574. phillyboy says:

    Whoa, is Prep WR Darryle Simmons really out for the season?? What happened, can anybody confirm this? If that’s true, that’s quite a story line coming out of 18th and Girard.

  575. Frank G says:

    @ Kevin X Yes, SJP plays only 8 regular season games, but it’s not as if scrimmaging against Bergen Catholic and St. Joe’s Regional are “easier” than, say, scrimmaging O’Hara and opening against Council Rock. And they might be underdogs in those first two games. Is the late September bye week a big issue?

  576. Youngin99 says:

    Prep will be no where near as good as they were last year. They do have some Talent coming back, with Top player WR Darryle Simmons out for the Season will be a huge loss for them on offense. I think Prep struggles with Wood/Lasalle this season.

  577. D12FAN says:

    Prep is scrimmaging Bergen and St Joe’s regional then heads to FLA for Jesuit, not a powerhouse but
    good road comp. Throw in St Peter’s Prep who is very strong this as is Wood and an improved lasalle and they will be prepared. Money no issues…

    Egan is well coached and has several other very good players in addition to Garwo, namely Dwayne Majors, an big force on both lines.
    Garwo has great combination of brut strength at 5’9 205 and deceptive speed at 4.56. 9 offers already including N.C., Maryland, Rutgers, Wisconsin, etc..

  578. Bob Hines says:



    Not so sure I’d call this a rebuilding year for SJP. Til somebody beats em I consider them the 6A favorite. Do return alot from that undefeated season including their QB. And Tampa Jesuit and St Peter’s Prep preseason isnt really “throttling back”

    If you knew anything about the Prep them FUNDS ain’t goin nowhere LOL. 17th and Girard=$$$

    But IMO LaSalle is going to be better but we’ll still see a SJP-LaS PCL 6A final when it all comes down to it.

  579. Mike A. says:

    Under Albie Crosby, Neumann-Goretti’s rebuild is well underway

  580. Kevin X says:

    @ phillyboy

    U serious??? Throttling back??? Crisscrossing the country?? Maybe I’m late to the party, but as far as I remember they take one out of town trip each year to start the season. They don’t exactly rack up frequent flyer miles crisscrossing the country multiple times. Then maybe a road trip up to North Jersey. They are now playing 6 PCL games as well, so that takes away flexibility in scheduling. I’d like to know why they only play 8 regular season games a year, where as everyone else is playing 9 or 10. Think that would be an advantage to be able to rest players and have one less chance for injury.

    @ D12FAN

    I saw that ranking for Garwo as well. I’ll be honest, I never heard of him until I read a recent article about the class of 2019. Do you, or anyone else know, how CE is looking overall this year?? They going to make any noise in 3A come November?? Could be a heck of a year for the PCL.

  581. mark d says:

    @Neutral to say the least wow

  582. McD65 says:

    3 known transfers to NG and two of them live in South Philly returning to a school near their home. The other returning to Philly to live with his Dad last April. This doesn’t sound like recruiting an all star team to me. Best of luck Albie and the Saints.

  583. phillyboy says:

    Yeah D12FAN, that reminds me, what’s up with St. Joe’s Prep this year? Outside of their opener seems like they’re throttling back. They usually crisscross the country playing multiple out of state powerhouses; maybe funds are getting low. Plus, guess they figure it’s a good way to manage things since they had the perfect season last year — lay low during a rebuilding year and pace themselves, thereby allowing some time to recruit a new round of D1 players.

  584. D12FAN says:

    Other interesting opening night games with Prep idle and Wood playing Oxbridge Academy in Fla. would be Roman at Neshaminy and Judge at Ridley…
    Also, keep an eye on Conwell Egan and RB/LB Patrick Garwo, ranked by many as number 1 player in PA 2019 class.

  585. Neutral Observer says:

    @ mark d

    It looks like Honesdale has some impressive size too!


  586. d3 fan says:

    Coach Albie , good luck @ N-G & WYO RULES !

  587. d3 fan says:

    What happened @ N-G? They were a state quarter finalist 3 yrs ago ?

  588. Jut says:

    This whole NG fiasco is just nuts and PIAA won’t do anything about it, they don’t touch issues such as this especially since they are from district 12, PIAA caters to District 12, and District 3, so nothing will happen, they could bring in players from anywhere and play this year, they give bye weeks for those districts for either district or state playoffs, So let’s just give a 0-9 team from last year to a team that will mercy rule every team from all the recruits they just got this year the AA championship trophy before a lot of student athletes get hurt

  589. Buddy says:

    @ kevin:

    Speaking of the drop off of 6A schools when we went from 4 to 6 classes. You’re right.

    Less 6A schools now. D1 should go to a 8 team playoff instead of this ridiculous 16 team playoff. Frankly, that was too many when there were 4 classes.

    Ho can anyone begrudge a transfer. You can’t.
    It’s actively recruiting. Some can , most can’t.

    We have beat that to death! Nuff said until PIAA does something.

  590. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy

    True, but that was when there were 40 plus schools competing for 16 spots in D1 “4A”, now there are what, 33 schools in 6A, for 16 spots?? Simply easier to get in now. Also, those 7-3 teams I’m guessing had a horrible SOS rating, but they probably should of still had a shot at the playoffs. Kind of back on my playoff soapbox with the who gets in, who doesn’t.

    Anyway, game should be a fun, competitive kickoff to the season. I will probably be there too!!!!

  591. Kevin X says:

    Moving on to the N-G situation….Guessing not seeing even with 3 or 4 high level transfers coming into the program, and a very established coach, that they will be world beaters. This is a team that didn’t win a game last year, and had to forfeit games due to lack of players, just not seeing it. Sure they’ll be better and fun to watch and follow, but they also have a fairly challenging schedule. Game against WC will probably be a de facto play-in game for the 2A playoffs, looser will have to hope for the one at-large spot (I’m assuming they are working the playoffs the same way a last year).

    As far as the transfers, is this a PIAA, District 12 or PCL issue? Can’t fault a kid for transferring if their school abruptly closes, but the others, can they all participate in football activities immediately???

  592. Buddy says:

    @ Kevin:

    Happens, but rare. Depends how strong D1 is. Seen years where 7-3 was on bubble.

    I suspect D1 is strong this year ( NP, Garnet valet, D-town East, C’ville etc.).

    I’ll be there! That’s fer sure!

  593. Kevin X says:


    LaSalle can go winless for the regular season and make the playoffs. Roman Catholic did it two years ago. If NP (and they won’t), do go 6-4 they will make the District 1 6A playoffs. You have a short memory, Haverford went 6-4 last year and proceeded to get their doors blown off by NP in the first round. Pennridge made it in as a 15 seed last year going 5-5. With NP’s potential SOS, they’d probably sneak in at 5-5 as well. Yes, NP is playing for seedings and home field. Biggest importance with this game is avoiding major injury to key players.

    With all that said, still a must see game to kick off the season.

  594. Buddy says:

    Kinda of agree with Kevin, kinda don’t:

    It’s not a ” glorified scrimmage”, it.s an actual game that counts in the standings.. Scrimmage is week ( this) before.

    LS can go 5 and 5 ( maybe 4 an 6) and still make playoffs. That’s the way PCL is set up. NP goes 6-4 will not make playoffs. Too many good teams in D1. Not sure if LS is, but NP playing for seedings. Rather play at home.

  595. Eric W says:


  596. Eric W says:

    Bored and can’t wait for week zero? In the West Lawn area? WWL/Parkland,10AM…pads should be popping!

  597. Kevin X says:

    phillyboy I suppose I am one of those guys. Game is a glorified scrimmage that fans have to pay for. Sure, both teams have been getting lots of hype with good reason, two heavyweights going at it week 1 (oops, my bad, week zero) and probably is the game of the week, but bottom line, it means little if anything in the grand scheme of things. LaSalle will be in the playoffs and in contention for the PCL title regardless, NP can go 6-4 (which they won’t) and still be in the playoffs. Game December 2nd will be the important one…..

  598. phillyboy says:

    A lot of you guys keep playing down the importance of this North Penn/LaSalle game. I’m of the opinion that it’s quite important. It sets the tone for the season. No excuses, no apologies — one team is going to make a statement right away and assert themselves as the big dog in 6A.

  599. Footballdad99 says:

    @paul that is hilarious! Blotty and sunburned is the term of the day. I am going to try to catch the game, and wish both teams well. I just know there will be a loser and it won’t amount to much for either team come Nov. But I will enjoy it and hope both teams are sharp.

  600. Come on man! says:

    @Mike A

    Wow. Great recruiting class. NG seriously going to play at Class 2A? After this mess., PIAA will be forced to institute new rules for private schools. I have never seen a team with so much talent at the 2A level. They will be like Steel Valley last season and mercy rule everyone. Not bad for a team that was 0-9 last season and could not field a team to end the season. Coach Albie is a good coach but how would he do at a public school where rules are enforced.

  601. Mike A. says:

    Six Neumann-Goretti football names to know this fall, including some under-the-radar prospects

  602. Mike A. says:

    West Virginia running back commit Leddie Brown practicing with Neumann-Goretti

  603. paul from philly says:


    Have to agree with Buddy. The game is always the first out of the shoot. And the game last year was not sloppy. Udinski got ’em good. La Salle was still hurt by their QB going down in camp. Sloppy is not a term I would use considering these players are together really the entire off season doing drills and practices. Not like the old days when you came back from the shore all blotted and sunburned.

  604. D12FAN says:

    Sounds like Lasalle will be more competitive this year, but I don’t think Beck, Infante, or Devlin are intimidated by their roster. Madden is a tough loss without a proven durable replacement. They return a lot to well below avg ls standards from last year. Looking forward to a good opener at NP. Always good to have some excitement opening weekend even if a non league game. I think NP will be ready to play and will see more ground game from Beck, pick’em. Prep and Wood will both be very strong again, Wood may return a little more to a very successful 2016 squad, but Prep still team to beat until someone beats them. Don’t forget they went 14-0….

  605. CYOBall1 says:

    @Run I do not feel bad for Wells, that was a joke.
    I don’t see anything fraudulent with using sarcasm. Perhaps you should gain a better understanding of it.

    I love the fact that you use the term “fraud”. Remind me, who is the coach that has his hands in every other programs pockets?

    You Albie apologist make me laugh. (sarcastically)

  606. Run4daylight says:

    @Cyoball1 you are a fraud, you feel bad for Chris Wells but you belittled his transfer a month ago. I’ve saw Brown and Wells at Nike regional opening and Rivals.Two completely different backs but their skill sets complements each other.Did Crosby do something to you in a past life?

  607. PastorZack says:

    Kevin, you’d be suprised that Texas uses the “Week 0” terminology too. The University Interscolastic League (UIL) has gone to that so schools could actually schedule an bye week. Moved the playoffs further into December though.

  608. Kevin X says:

    @ Buddy

    Actually it was a “Week 0” game, as dopey as that sounds. I just get a chuckle every time I hear week zero. Only the PIAA……..

  609. John Robert says:

    @mark D

    agreed size is good …but is that size in shape? quite honestly if they are as fast as people say they need to hold blocks 2-3 seconds and these guys will be thru the hole!

  610. UItra42 says:

    what up with the best District in the state D12? Who’s favorites? Any predictions

  611. WVWFAN says:

    @John Robert…i could be wrong but I think WVW was the smallest 4A team in the state before they redid the classes..

    as for WVW team I think they will be very good on defense. They return 8 starters. Their D line is big and have one of the better inside linebackers(Davies) in the area. Hes been in top 15 or so in the state in tackles since hes been a sophomore. He will now also get his chance on offense as a RB.

    They return 7 offensive starters. Their line overall should be much improved from last year. They had a few sophomores on their line last year that now have experience.

    They have a big athletic QB that can run the ball.

    It may be high hopes though as I am biased. I guess we will find out week 1 against Scranton. What is your prediction in that game? I dont know much about Scranton other than I read they have some good size.

  612. Buddy says:


    The game last year was week 1 of the regular season. Always is. There was one scrimmage the week before.
    I was at the game, I didn’t think it was that sloppy at all.

    This is ONE of the biggest games of the year, period. Nothing unhealthy about getting “heated” up over one of the pivotal games of the year.

    Of course someone has to lose. But it’s nowhere near the end of the season for the loser. These teams are far from “pretenders”.

  613. PastorZack says:

    Praying for all the parents and their boys today as 2 a days begin. As we all know as parents of players, it can be nerve-wrenching as we send them out this time of year. May God keep them safe and healthy! Enjoy your teams and encourage the coaches and staff that are putting in the extra time to mentor our boys!

    Go Red Raiders!

  614. Footballdad99 says:

    @Buddy not a fan of either team. Just a fan overall and am surprised at the amount of heat this game is generating from the faithful. Last year this game was week three and this year it is week 2. Essentially a traditional scrimmage week. Last year was sloppy, NP dropped how many passes that could have made it worse? LS was very sloppy till mid second half. My point is someone is going to lose this game, and you can’t be all up in the heat on a week 2 game. Not healthy for the long run. Pretenders get all heated up that early.

  615. CyoBall1 says:

    A very reliable source informed me of Leddie Brown.
    It’s really a shame for a kid like Chris Wells, who thought he was being loyal to Albie when he transferred from Imhotep to NG to be the starting RB.
    What does moving them up a level do? Does it make the kids any better or worse? What is going on is wrong, I agree.
    Lets be honest though, Coach Albie hasn’t won anything without the help of Schmidt or Gordon on his staff. They might rip through the regular season. I can see West being able to take them down as well. But when it comes to state playoffs, actual football teams that are coached up and play as a TEAM have faired well against Crosby coached teams.

  616. mark d says:

    @john Roberts not only does Scranton have good speed they have tremendous size.Talking to people from Scranton. Center will be 305, right guard 245, left guard 250, right tackle 294 and left tackle 298

  617. John Robert says:

    Will Anyone challenge Scranton Prep as they strive for their third straight District Championship??

    It will have to be someone from the Wyoming Valley Conference…but I dont see anyone strong enough to do it…


    Id pick Meyers but thats a guess. Seems Hanover is getting some press…but they arent tough and neither is their schedule.

  618. John Robert says:

    Valley View has a schedule with highs and lows first the lows…..
    Out of the gate they get Lakeland, DV and Scranton…potential for three losses….

    Then two weeks “off” PA and Abington

    Then Prep, West, and North Pocono

    Then close with Western Wayne and Honesdale

    Based on craziness within that division Valley View can be 5-5 or 7-3

    Ill say 6-4 and in the playoffs!!

  619. John Robert says:


    Ill sleep on WVW..i dont think they are very good.
    I think a weak schedule benefits them and the fact is this…One offensive lineman isnt making the difference when they spend half the time taking plays off. Good Luck though …

    Cmon …Hazleton, Dallas, Abington Heights, Crestwood, Wallenpaupack,

    they play Berwick (probably a win )

    Scranton…good team speed.

    Williamsport..even without Potts Williamsport is bigger and tougher

    Delaware Valley…tough kids well coached, coached by an actual kid WHO PLAYED D1 football

    How WVW managed 5A is beyond comprehension but they are a 7-3 0r 6-4 team

  620. John Robert says:

    Ill take a shot at 3A on the eastern side of the state…

    2)Notre Dame Green Pond
    1)Scranton Prep

  621. Kevin X says:

    Got for it N-G!!! Give SoCol., SH, Dunmore (the usual suspects) something to fear and a little eastern competition…….

  622. McD65 says:

    Come on man, No one bothered IMHOTEP when they received numerous transfers when Albie was there,AND I mean NUMEROUS. The majority of the transfers I am told are the result of Del Val Charter closing so they are legitimate I would assume. T I think as many others do, that we should concentrate on our respective teams and not be concerned with the transfer stuff since it occurs everywhere now . Let the PIAA handle those issues . As of now IMO ,the only PCL teal AA that has a chance to beat NG would be West Catholic who return some very good players.

  623. Ridiculous 00 says:

    Absolutely ridiculous what NG is doing if it is true about Leddie Brown transferring to NG they’re going to be almost impossible to beat only team I can see potentially giving them a hard time is Southern Columbia but even that is far fetched… The PIAA NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING… move them up in classification or ban them from postseason contention for you shouldn’t be able to build a team like that

  624. Mike Smoll says:

    @Come on Man, until the PIAA decides to do something, this is the way it’s played. Personally I thing it’s wrong, but all the griping in the world isn’t going to change it, until the PIAA decides, complain to the PIAA if you believe it’s wrong, not on this website. It just becomes a pissing match that doesn’t matter.

  625. Come on man! says:


    Are u serious? How can the PIAA or D12 not respond to this situation with NG. They should be 4A at the least. Someone needs to do something. They are stacking a team with recruiting. 0-9 last year to being untouchable. Their coach, AD and school are proud of what they are doing?

  626. CYOBall1 says:

    Sorry this is the correct link


  627. CYOBall1 says:

    Im hearing NG brought in 4 star recruit Leddie Brown from DE for his senior year.


  628. Billy Splain says:

    Aug 25 Jon Robert

  629. Jon Robert says:


    When will the preseason rankings be released?

  630. Buddy says:

    Has to be a SJP or C’ville fan I assume. Actually, their first game last was far from sloppy. Very well played both sides . Surprised me.

    I assume whoever he follows will look like they’re playing their 10th game of the year I’m sure.

  631. McD65 says:

    Buddy,Brett Gordon did leave when his father left. He coached at Imhotep and now has returned to LaSalle.

  632. CYOBall1 says:

    @Paul That game at PW was incredible. One of the best I’ve seen in person.

  633. phillyboy says:

    Yo District1, I so hope you’re right about North Penn. It would be so cool to not only have a very good team, but a great team, one that is expected to dominate — and pretty much does. Hypothetically speaking, if that were the case I’d be following them around like the Grateful Dead, in fact I’d be a North Pennhead; get ready for the tour baby.

  634. Footballdad99 says:

    Just want to point out to the NP and LS faithful that this game essentially replaces one of your traditional scrimmages. Gonna be sloppy, and one of you is going to lose. Lots of talk going on but to an outsider this game is meaningless. NP you need to get better every week to beat Cville, and LS not sure why you are worried so much about winning because last time I checked SJP still is in your league. Both of you essentially have new qb’s who have no experience opening up the season in the starter role in a big spot. I would say this will be high scoring and a bit rag tag. I would say that if each team got better during the game it is a win.

  635. Buddy says:

    @ paul:

    Agreed. That 2010 game was un-freakin’ believable!
    The 2011 game was great also ( 21-14 NP I believe).

    LS was driving late ( under 2 minutes to go), LS on about our 20, QB throws a pick and game time.

    LS and NP is a really good series, maybe that’s why they renew every year

  636. paul from philly says:

    The 2010 game between La Salle and NP was the greatest game pro, college or high school I have ever seen. Packed house at PW. Beautiful afternoon. Back and forth like a heavyweight match. And it went down to the last possession. Also this is one of the best inter-league series out there. Every year both programs put everything they have into it. And it shows. Should be a great game

  637. Michael Smoll says:

    My point is that North Penn is replacing 10- 11 starters from last years team including their QB. 2/3rds of their backfield is new, theses are 16-17-18 yrs olds in their first varsity game at a school where expectations are sky high, playing a Catholic League team that returns 19 of 22 starters, the edge absolutely has to go to LaSalle. I think it’s going to be a great game, but if I had to put money down I’ll put it on LaSalle (and only because it’s the first game), like someone else said if this was the 4th or 5th game I may feel completely different.

  638. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    I was at that semi ( in philly) in 2011. Great game. I think it was 21 to 14, NP of course. lost to CD 14 -7 in state final.

    No, I don’t expect a blow out. LS seems to have it together early season much more then NP. But the same thing can happen again that happened in 2011. Never know.

  639. Frank G says:


    I expect LaSalle to be better this year, but it’s a very open question about how much better. Madden was most of their offense last year, and he’s gone. Jones may be every bit as good as some think he’ll be but he still has quite limited varsity experience from two years ago when his running abilities were far ahead of his passing skills. As for the returning starters, were they starters last year because they had a particularly strong group of juniors and sophs or because they had a particularly weak or thin senior class?

  640. Frank G says:

    @ Buddy

    Drew Gordon (the father) left LaSalle after the ’14 season. Brett Gordon (the son) is LaSalle’s OC. I might be mistaken but I think he left wheh his father did but has since returned.

  641. FridayNightLights says:


    Hopefully I am not wrong but I do not see this NP team getting “blown out.” Back in 2010 NP had a very good team that lost to LaSalle in the semis in an epic game. They graduated a number of players from that team as well. The next year in 2011 they started 1-2 and got handled, or one could call it blown out I suppose, by both St Joe’s and LaSalle They ended up beating LaSalle before losing to Central Dauphin in the championship. Assuming there won’t be a blow out I do not think the loser of this game need to panic.

  642. Bobby King says:

    @Pete, of course my boys playing, he put on 30 lbs and grew 6″ since april..shame he still has no chance of sniffing the varsity grass. He’s just too small compared to the rest of the beef around him. Manny is healthy and rearing to go. Jones looks fantastic at qb. plenty of rb’s. entire o and d lines and lb core returning. we stay healthy and play as a team all year and we have a shot @ chocolate town.
    @district1, yes, np handled us last year opening week. Our qb was very inexperienced, going from 3rd string to starter was hard for him. He progressed throughout the year. Both teams were not shining opening week, would’ve been nice to compete at the end of the season in playoffs…sjp was just plain better then us last year. Looking forward to the season!

  643. Buddy says:

    This Jones sounds scary. Don’t know if NP will have an answer.

    The way I see it, if it’s a close game, that bodes well for both teams, if it’s a blow out , losing team’s in trouble. May not go deep in playoffs.

    I thought Gordon left? straighten me out on that PCL fans.


    Yea, C’ville will be out for revenge big time. If we ( NP) makes it, that will be yet another ” game of the year”.

  644. GeorgeP says:

    @FridayNightLights @Buddy

    It is going to be a great Friday night game i know that, I have seen La Salle Practice & 7on7 so far, and i am not a La Salle Supporter or NP supporter but i was very impressed with the amount of talent they have on both sides of the ball. I honestly couldn’t tell you what there weakest link was from watching. Jones the QB who was hurt all year is back, and looks very good, not just in 7 on 7 but in live in practice, he seems to be a true leader. There Line on both sides is very very big and the LBs LaSalle has are big an fast. NP might have the Speedy athletes as they saw last year but losing the QB was a Huge hit, nobody will fill that right away, not even this Transfer from Norristown who is so so from what i have seen so far. La Salle’s WR/RB/TE’s are very very very good and deep. With Jones being back and the talent they have on Offense for Gordon they are going to cause a lot of Problems for NP and everybody in there path. Just my opinion, i cant wait for the 25th. Also i was at the NP/La Salle game last year, if Jones was playing LaSalle wins…

  645. District1 says:

    @Buddy I don’t expect them to win by 3 TDS just talking stuff. However the game last year was not that close. Yes Madden had a great game but NP did what they wanted when they wanted in that game. I know they are new to Becks system but the guys they added are veterans in HS football. I said last year they would beat LaSalle and go unbeaten. I am saying it again they will beat LaSalle and go unbeaten in the regular season. Then it will come down to Coatesville who’s loaded and returning players you need to worry about. I cant recall NP having this many Athletes and speed in back to back years. Trust me when I say they are better this year.

  646. FridayNightLights says:

    As a North Penn fan it pains me to say this but LaSalle should be the favorites. I actually don’t know much about LaSalle’s roster other than they return a lot of starters from a decent team. They have good O and D lines and they have Jones back from a serious injury who is supposed to be very talented. It will be interesting to see if he has some rust on him. On the NP side they return 6 starters on offense and 6 starters on defense. They have added some players who played significant roles on other teams last year and will play significant roles for NP this year. The biggest strength for NP this year will be the amount of athletes they have. They should have a ton of speed. I would expect them to spread the ball around a lot again. They will be hard to defend assuming the O line steps up. They do return Bevan at center, who is the leader of that unit along with RG Ryan Cody. Both were starters and played very well last year. I believe they have 3 players on the team who are currently getting D1 looks or hold offers, including Owen Thomas who just committed to Villanova. I think this will be a very good opening contest and do not expect a blowout either way. Both of these teams are legitimate contenders in the East this year.

  647. Buddy says:


    They ARE newbies to Beck’s system. I suspect all kids that play high school ball have played somewhere else before ( JV, pop warner, etc.) , that doesn’t make them “veterans” in high school ball.

    LS did lose to good teams last year. But I doubt they had 19 returning starters last year. That’s a big freakin’ deal! BTW, Np did not destroy them last year ( 33 to 24 I believe AND a their RB gaining 200 yards).

    I love your unfettered enthusiasm! But winning by 3 TD’s!?! That might come back and bite you in the ass!

  648. Michael Smoll says:

    @CYOBall1 Didn’t say that at all, not even sure where you got that………. What I said is North Penn Always gets better as the season comes to an end. Historically (last 12-15 years or so) they are always a MUCH Better team than early. It’s the reason Dick Beck plays these games early, you better get North Penn early or more than likely you aren’t going to get them.

  649. District1 says:

    @buddy NP has 5 players that transferred that will play major roles. They are not newbies they all was major players on their previous teams. NP lost Udinski,Johns and Vasgar. They are better at RB this year adding 2 backs and returning Andrews@ FB. They have 4 dynamic receivers Henley,Owens, Haynes and transfer from Ryan. The secondary was great last year Haynes and Henley and Browski returning and added Ryan kid and a Transfer from Philly Finest who played varsity as Sophomore. Linebackers Thomas returns in middle Khan will upgrade one linebacker position the other is a big lost losing Johns. Dline returns minus Vasgar, Oline returns 3 starters. Yes they lost A great QB. I was able to catch a few 7V7 and the new kid can sling it pretty well. If necessary Henley could come in a do a great job. Stop with this LaSalle stuff bringing back 17 players they was 7-5 last year all the good teams they played destroyed them. Did they bring in some athletes if they did who are they.

  650. Route54 says:

    For anyone that follows Schuylkill league football. Coaches had their Media day. Great article.


  651. Route54 says:

    I have said this a few weeks ago as the team previews started. Single A East have plenty of teams loaded with returning players. We all know things can turn quickly for any team within a matter of weeks. Otherwise, single A looks promising this year.

  652. David Mika says:

    Route54…We’re doing it different this year. Our rankings for all six classes are coming out on 8/25/17. The first Friday of football.

  653. Route54 says:

    Dave, when are the top team countdowns going to start? Top 5 for each class.

  654. LT4666 says:

    @cyoball1 yes Carl Jones is very good. He played for the Raiders because he knew he would get limited action at Imhotep. Plus Kristian Marche and Isheem Young will share the load at RB.
    @comeonman, they left the team because they felt loyalty to Albie. Plus NG is closer to their homes…I wish them good luck in the coming season.

  655. Buddy says:

    NP did not get 5 transfers from the PCL. I don’t believe they got more then 3 transfers ( could be wrong, but I don’t think so)

    LS has , I heard from LS fan on here, 19 returning starters.

    NP has too many newbies that need some game experience. That’s why LS will be, and should be favored. They were playing, say the 4th game, be a toss-up.

    Yes, LS will be much better in Nov., but NP, history shows, will be MORE improved by that point.

    My thoughts? I expect LS to win a close one. Sure as hell hope I’m wrong!

    I love all this conjecture! Can’t wait!

  656. CYOBall1 says:

    @Smoll what makes you think that LaSalle won’t be that much better in November? Looking forward to NP LaSalle in a couple of weeks!

  657. District1 says:

    @Jizza51 Let me just say NP didn’t graduate their whole team. I would say they lost 3 major players. The players they are returning played major parts in their offense and defense. Yes LaSalle maybe returning 17 players. I just hope they got athletic over the offseason couldn’t cover or run with NP. Let’s just say NP is faster and more athletic than last year. NP easily by 3 TD’S

  658. Mike Smoll says:

    @Jizza51, if North Penn beats LaSalle with all the new pieces to their program in the first game of the season, when LaSalle returns (I’ve heard 17 returning starters) it in my mind would be a HUGE UPSET, however if they play again in say November, well North Penn is just a different animal at that point of the season, and all those new pieces won’t be new anymore.

  659. Jizza51 says:

    How many transfers did North Penn get? i heard at least 5 some from PCL. Regardless they won’t beat the La Salle this year who are very very good and Deep.

  660. District1 says:

    @McD65 Steve Depaul transfer JR from Norristown. But you will see Henley in some unique packages from what I hear.

  661. McD65 says:

    District 1, Who will be North Penns QB this year??

  662. mark d says:

    @neutral thank you that some big boys !!!!

  663. McD65 says:

    pete, good luck to your boy. With Conlin coaching I’m sure he is learning quite a bit. Those Conlin brothers were a tough bunch,both for LaSalle and McDevitt years ago. He should do well with Abington.

  664. C Jacoby says:

    @mark D Not sure, but don’t go by max preps alone. I just did my son’s Height/Weight he’s 6’3 290. They have him listed at a measly 6’2 285 lol. Still off though.

  665. Neutral Observer says:

    @ mark d

    The Scranton High preview does list two 300 lb-ers (a big lunch shy of 300 anyway).


    Jr. T Grayson Lavelle 6’2” 291
    So. T/DT Karim Greene 6’2” 310

    However, Max Preps lists those two and a third:

    Sr. T/DT Joe McLaughlin 6’6″ 294


  666. mark d says:

    To all the D2 guys out their i being told that Scranton High School will have 3 300 lb offence of line man this year, and 2 that will play defense.Can any one verify this .Seem a little over the top

  667. Michael Smoll says:


    I think I am right with ya, everything I’ve seen has Palisades down a notch or two where I think they will end up.

  668. pete says:

    @Pastor Zack NP is loaded again this year and we play them the last game of the year for their SR night. So that one will be TOUGH! LOL! @SkyKng Hope Manny does great and that line holds for him. Is your boy still playing? Hope so. @Mcd65 Conlin is great! The boys love the guy! My wife runs the booster club so we have a lot of dealings with him and we like the man! We have two good backs again this year, so we shall see if the line can handle things. My son is on it so I am hoping so! This will be his 3rd year on the line so we have some good experience at least.

  669. Buddy says:

    Hi Pete:

    I might have missed it below, I assume your kid is playing for Abington? Only “ghosts” I know.

    Anyway, good luck. See you last game of regular season.

  670. Matt says:

    Add Bangor into the middle four….PA lost almost alot of seniors from last year’s team. Bottom of league should be catty, Wilson, and Salisbury.

  671. Matt says:

    @colonial fan…..
    I agree that Palisades is loaded this year….they returned almost everyone from a good team last year. NDGP, Saucon and SL will join them in top four. I could see any order of those top four teams. The middle four should be NW,Palmerton, and NL. They all have some good players but I don’t think have the guns and talent to compete week in and week out.

  672. District1 says:

    @skykng I am glad you believe Lasalle is loaded. You will see what loaded is on the 25th. When I say NP is better than last year people say no way. I told everyone from day one last year how good they were. They will be back playing for the right to play @ Hershey this year too.

  673. D12FAN says:


    Could be Abington’s year, coming off 5-1 conf record and with Neshaminy rebuilding and Pennsbury still trying to find themselves. Bensalem will be dangerous as well as they almost had Pennsbury and put 22 on Nesh last year.

  674. ColonialFan says:

    Weighing in on the Colonial League here…I’ve seen a few posts and wanted to respond. I fully expect Palisades to be the most dangerous team this year and likely finish at the top of the league. NDGP of course has a tremendous QB, but too many other unknowns at this point. Take it for what it’s worth, but Palisades destroyed them in a 7 on 7 hosted by Lehigh U. Palisades has size on the line and experience across the board with a full stable of running backs. Of course, you can’t count out Saucon and Southern Lehigh. Saucon has probably been the most dynamic colonial team the past couple of seasons, but Southern has been the most consistent for the past 5/6 years. Bangor could be a dark horse and much improved. It will be an interesting season for sure. I have Palisades at the top. NDGP could finish as high as 1st or as low as 4th. I think Southern gets by Saucon this year. 1. Palisades 2. Southern 3. ND 4. Saucon That’s how I see the top 4 unfolding.

  675. C Jacoby says:

    @Footballdad99 My apologies, I misunderstood your post. Got cha now, maybe it’s just me but I put a very high priority on my children’s education. So I assumed many went through the whole process for respective schools. Don’t get me wrong, I would deft. Try to narrow it down to a few & thankfully won’t have to go through this ever again! It’s going to be an exciting year for sure, let’s get Hell week going & these scrimmages started already!

  676. McD65 says:

    pete,You guys have a very talented RB this year that should light up the scoreboard. BTW, how do you like your new coach Conlin ?

  677. skykng says:

    Yo PETE!!! long time no see, no 2 a days this week at abington?? Best of luck to your #55 on having a great year. Im picking Lasalle to make Hershey this year, yeah, I’m biased because my boys there, but they are absolutely loaded.

  678. PastorZack says:

    @pete Do everyone else a favor in D1 and knock NPenn down a couple of pegs. Good luck to ya’ll in your district, it was fun facing in the playoffs last year. Your band was well represented and were a joy to hear.

  679. pete says:

    1 week till 2 a days! 12 days until the first scrimmage!! Best time of the year!! GO GHOSTS!! #55 kick butt and take names!

  680. Kevin X says:

    @ Ray

    I am little surprised at that as well. Also just general talk about W-Port. They’re was a lot last year, with good reason. Thought it would carry over to this year. As far as Potts, shame, I was looking forward to following his exploits this year. Read the article about his knee and status on Pennlive, and he seems to be taking it pretty good. Sounds like he should be more than good to go for his senior year. Best of luck to him.

    As far as Williamsport, they appear to have lost a lot, especially now with Potts out for the year. Not a difficult first 3 games, so maybe they’ll figure things out before the conference games. Still looks like Del Val will be ruling the roost in 6A up north.

  681. Footballdad99 says:

    @Jacoby My point was that you did not get this opportunity on the sidelines in 5 minutes after a game. 1. you are a tuition paying family. 2. your child attends catholic school. 3. you took the tests, interviewed, and submitted all your financials so they could make a decision. After those events you were given a financial package “offer” on what you would pay. Seems reasonable to me. My point was 1. you would still pay a hefty tuition, 2. you went through the process. That is a hell of a lot different than painting a picture that as your child walked off a football field you were being told site unseen what your tuitions would be. Now here is a fact. And @McD65 you have been around, you can probably back me up. The amount of families that WOULD NOT go through what you did far outnumbers the families that would go through it. Many “offers” never happen because families won’t test, interview, or give financials. So in this day and age in the PIAA, that is how these things go down. And @jacoby, you are correct. The truth is your daughters experience very well may be very different.

  682. mark d says:

    @WVW was talking about LFC not D2 as a whole.Really haven’t heard much on the WV conference,except Bewick lost it QB and now i guess Willemsport lost their running back ?

  683. Ray says:

    The big news from the WVC nobody us talking about is best running back in the state Williamsport’s Trey Potts out for year on partially torn ACL

  684. WVW Fan says:

    @Mark D…

    Don’t sleep on WvW. They return a bunch of players on defense. Have Bleich and a more experienced line than last year. Their run game will be good. If they can stay disciplined I think they will hold their own.

  685. C Jacoby says:

    @ Footballdad99 No, maybe your confused. To me what I assumed as how you put it an offer was simply like this. Prep is 22.900.00 for 17/18 school yr according to their website. His grades were excellent, as being considered by 2 HS for the Maguires. Basically, we did the shadow days/interview process & financial aid etc. The coaches would say look, all your paperworks done,& if he wants to attend our HS for 12,500 we can do it. Obviously, that’s half the tuition cut in half. They didn’t say how or what, just give you a number. They all did this, some more than others obviously but in today’s day & time to get an education like that for half the tuition price because your kid plays football is an honor & a blessing. I also have 2 younger daughters to consider as well. Idk about you, maybe u don’t like the word offer. But there offering a full price education for under 50 percent or more off to have him at football seems like that’s what it is. If he didn’t play, you think they’d knock off that much tuition? I doubt it. No disrespect to anyone, just my experience with it.

  686. McD65 says:

    Pete,Frank,footballDad99,Here is a real life experience concerning recruiting ,but first good posts by all 3 of you. My son played CYO for the Romans years ago. The team was very good and played in and won the Parade of Champions at year end. About recruiting -Many HS coaches attended games when the word got out about the quality of players on their team. The end result was the QB -Germantown Academy, FB-CB West,Wing back-St Joe Prep ,RB-LaSalle ,TE-Lansdale Catholic,WR-Archbishop Wood and one OT -CB East. All TRUE

  687. Frank G says:

    @ Pete What happened is the world changed. My cousins grew up in St. William’s parish and went to Dougherty when it had about 6,000 students. No Dougherty students paid tuition. Special collections at Sunday masses paid the bills. There were 13 children in one family. Families like that don’t exist any more; lots of the parishes and the parish schools have closed; and the parish churches that are open are relatively empty on weekends. Plus, in recent decades families that want to send their kids to Catholic high schools have been demanding choice. So the old system of boundaries had to change. You probably know all this, but lots of people who are sports-focused think it’s the recruiting of players that changed everything when the fact is that all Catholic schools have to recruit and recruit some more just to stay open.

  688. pete says:

    I am a personal believer in stay where you live as far as the schools are concerned. I was a catholic school kid, Cardinal Dougherty! So I grew up in the times before PIAA existed as far as Catholic schools are concerned. Back then there really wasn’t any transferring or recruiting at that level. It seems things have gotten out of control these days with it being all about money and state titles. Back then Catholic schools only had certain parishes they could pull from and you had to be a member in good standing of those parishes. And the public schools where kind of that way as well. The only schools that could “recruit” so to speak where the private schools like the prep or lasalle or any of the academy’s. It lended a more of a neighborhood feel to it. Guess I am just old school! LOL! 🙂

  689. McD65 says:

    pete, public school coaches also attend those sessions often wearing their team jackets . Its all ok as far as I’m concerned.

  690. Daryl says:

    @Pete every school does it.some more aggressive than others.hell most pee wee teams recruit

  691. mark d says:

    @Blakely Del Valley no the rest he has the talent they should be a 9-1 8-2 team but will under achieve again! like i said coaching will win AAAA

  692. Footballdad99 says:

    @pete If you play cyo speaking to boys on the sideline is not recruiting. If you are going to a catholic school you are free to choose which one. It is acceptable for them to ask you to look at their school. You are paying, you have a right to choose. This goes same for every kid who thinks they want to go to a catholic high school. They go to grade schools, hold open houses so you will consider them. @Jacoby you are spending 8k a year, I would expect other schools to ask you to consider spending your 8k there also. Is that recruiting? I wish people would stop with “offers”. For the IA and LS and Prep, if you are asked to take the entrance exam, go through the long interview process (for IA) and then submit your financials to be considered for financial aid, and then qualify, if you consider that an “offer” then maybe we are speaking two different languages. And @jacoby you are correct the arch. schools can offer you mcguire scholarships, as they can offer any high achieving kids these. By zero means are these full scholarships, but they can defray some of the cost of tuition, and thankfully these allow kids who want to go to these schools the opportunity to do so. Typically these kids are very deserving. People have the idea schools are throwing out tuition offers to people on the sidelines, it just doesnt’ happen. When my sons made a decision to attend their hs they were holding full scholarships from our local public hs. That was what we had to weigh our decisions against.

  693. pete says:

    I see a lot of comments about recruiting on here. My son was also “recruited” out of cyo as well. The only problem I see is that it’s not legal for them to do so is it at the HS level? Thoughts? We had many of the areas HS coaches come to the practices and talk to individual kids. Although my son was one of them, I felt very uncomfortable about it. Any thoughts on the schools doing it or against it? And I am so pshyced for this season!

  694. Blakely Bear says:

    Mark D
    6-4 wouldn’t be bad for VV considering schedule. Will they beat Del Val, Scranton, or Prep? Not to mention Abington or Lakeland. Point is to make playoffs, where they could do damage. Remember, last year NP was 7-3, finished 3rd on their LC division, and was clearly the best team in D2

  695. Run4daylight says:

    @come on man, Yes i found it puzzling why those two transfers would leave. It ironic both of those athletes live in South Philly. Johnson is a NFL tackle size right now and Wells is very explosive , a home run threat that can run inside/outside the tackles.. Maybe kids were fed up with the coaching changes. Do you have any insight?

  696. Jizza51 says:

    NGoretti will be very good, Coach Crosby has a way of getting inner city kids to come with him. NG vs Frankford the first game will be a good test for “Albie and the Transfers” the Motown Group 🙂

    I was also doing some research let me know what you think on this. Top players in the PCL for each Team this upcoming season

    Carroll- Dahmir Ruffin WR/CB
    Judge- Tim Weldon RB
    LaSalle-Garret Zobel OL/DL Isaiah Jones QB/S
    Roman- Michael Leyland OL
    Ryan- Jaye McNeil RB
    Prep- Darryle Simmons WR Marquez McCray QB
    Wood- Jack Colyar QB Kyle Pitts TE
    MBAP- Sean Morris DT
    Conwell Egan- Patrick Garwo RB
    LC- Matt Casee RB
    McDevit- Jaron Macon WR
    NG- Justin Johnson OL
    O’Hara- Justin Santilla WR
    West Catholic- Da’Vion Kidd-Kackson QB

    Is there any Transfers in D12 that are going to make an Impact?

  697. mark d says:

    @Blakely Bear West has lots of speed but i am told that the line is young and small.North Pocono lost a lot from last year, but has some real good skill kids.Valley View big line strong arm QB D2 100 meter champ in the back field 6 and 4 at best. Really dont know much about the WVC except Berwick lost their Qb which has to be a big set back.Over all the LFC is down a little this year.In A it should be Trail AA Dunmore and Lakeland will slug it out.AAA Scranton Prep just really no competition.AAAA wide open best coaching job wins it AAAAA Abington their is no one else. in AAAAAA Delaware Valley returns a lot from last year but Willensport is the team to beat

  698. Run4daylight says:

    @CyoBall1 Carl Jones practiced with Imhotep last year. He decided to played with the Raiders. He’s currently in 11th grade. What happened to the other backs on the depth chart?
    @MCD65 I keep hearing NG will be a problem, I had to scroll down to entry 50 to find out Wells and Johnson will be suiting up for NG. Two players albeit very good players. Whom else is attending NG?

  699. daryl says:

    @ c jacoby i think both ryan and judge are improving their recruiting but alot of parents are still chasing chips in highschool.i know kids that went to other schools just for that chance even though their kids wont see varsity time until maybe their senior year.not getting much exposure playing jv for 3 years.pcl red is a hell of a division and if your good you will get exposure

  700. Come on man!! says:

    Why did two players leave Imhotep for NG? They played for a state title last year and will be very good this year.

  701. CYOBall1 says:

    LT, Carl Jones is a very good player! I was curious as to see if he would stay at Imhotep or look to go somewhere else.
    I know Wood was in the mix as was Roman.

  702. WVW Fan says:

    @Blakely bear
    I saw NP scrimmage WVW in a 7 on 7 and NP looked pretty good. They have a running back #28 that looked very good. I can’t can’t speak on their line since I didn’t see them.
    It’s odd that u mentioned coaching though. I thought their coaches were excellent. They were complete polar opposites of WVW coaching. They were very vocal on good and bad things with the kids. WVW coaches only can be heard when a kid does something wrong. The seemed to be great with their kids.

  703. C Jacoby says:

    @ Sid Faranaum Never got to the point of offers like that, u know it’s alot of talk mostly but I’m a straight shooter. Many offered him Maguires off the bat (Roman McDevitt a few others) most said what’s the best you can do tuition wise I always said I have 2 younger girls to consider so I wasn’t gonna go over the 8K from judge. Most got pretty close to matching the Parrish number.

    @Daryl & McD65 Thank you very much both of you guys, good luck to your boy as well D.

    @Tom F that’s the issue, every year between cyo ball etc there’s maybe 3 “top” recruits like that. You think they ain’t gonna go to prep, Wood or LaSalle lol. Until Ryan/Judge have a really good year or 2 & prioritize recruiting then there going to continue to be a “tier” under them in my opinion. Them kids want exposure, & it’s tough I won’t lie knowing he could of played on ESPN etc. Regardless, can’t wait for the season to start.

  704. LT4666 says:

    @kevinX my point is, don’t worry about Imhotep! They are fine. 2 player left to play over at N-G…no love lost. Next man step up. Look for Carl Jones to be a featured RB this year. It’s plenty of sophs and jr’s available to step in the role. Plus Isheem Young can play there also.

  705. McD65 says:

    Runfor daylight, I don’t think anyone is worrying about TEP,but keep in mind that the two known transfers are two very good players . NG will not lose to West Catholic by anywhere near what you predicted. West should have a pretty good team this year with Kidd at QB.

  706. Blakely Bear says:

    @Kevin X
    In District 2 AAAA, why isn’t anyone talking about North Pocono or Coughlin? NP reigning District champs, and returns enough, plus coaching. And Coughlin has Vincent Todd, district sprint finalist, and tailback Cole, plus some big linemen. And West Scranton has a lot of speed, and Crestwood returns a lot. Valley View has potential, Berwick lost a lot. Marshman possibly being out will hurt them. You’re are right though, it should be a dogfight.

  707. Kevin X says:

    Revision…..I’ll take BC out of my last post, as I assume they (and D3) will be in the western half of the 4A playoff bracket again.

    I’ll toss in ACC, Saucon Val., I-Boro, P-Grove, basically the usually suspects to challenge for the 4A eastern crown. D2 looks to be wide open again, it was pretty fun up there last year. Valley View, Berwick???

  708. Cyoball1 says:

    @run4daylight I don’t know about all of that.
    Doubt they beat them that bad.
    Don’t be surprised with some of the newly added talent on the NG roster.

  709. Run4daylight says:

    Why are people worrying about Imhotep? They only lost two student athletes @McD65.. Another thing, I don’t believe the hype around Neumann Goretti, they forfeited every game last year. WC will beat them by 5Tds.

  710. Kevin X says:

    “D12 4A still belongs to the Imhotep Panthers” not exactly saying much there or going out on a limb. Question is, have they come back to the pack state wide in 4A?? Anybody in the east going to challenge them for the eastern crown?? Any D1 or D2 schools out there lurking?? Berks Cath. in D3? Bechahi in D11?? Maybe Bechahi, they gave them a real good game in the state semis last year. Still thinking a ‘Tep/ECP finals, round 3 rubber match, but think that potential match-up could be somewhat ugly for ‘Tep, something they are far from accustomed too.

  711. billtown says:

    Some new rules this year on blindside blocks and clipping in the free blocking zone along with face guarding. So you guys can help us refs make it out of the stadium in one piece here goes.
    1.Blindside blocks. If the defensive player does not have a reasonable chance of seeing the block coming and the hit is with the shoulder pad or body- penalty. If the blocker uses extended arms and hands- no penalty. Safety is the issue here.
    2.Clipping in the free blocking zone. No one sees it but us. If you see a few called this year be aware they are protecting the knees.
    3.This is the one that will get the stadium screaming for my head as I am a side judge. The defensive player can now faceguard as long as there is no contact. He does not have to turn to look for the ball. Please spread the word to your fan base about these rule changes they are significant.
    4.Sideline management. This is a major point of emphasis and will be strictly enforced this year. If anybody including coaches are in the 3 yard zone between the sideline and team box at the snap and during the play. Penalty.1st is a warning,2nd is 5yds.,3rd is 15 yds. Subsequent are 15 and head coach ejection. See you all in a few weeks!!

  712. mark d says:

    @PigSkin Man Dunmore QB was the AA gold medal state champ in javelin.Has a bunch of collage offers for track so is not playing football.

  713. LT4666 says:

    D12 4A still belongs to the Imhotep Panthers! Even though a couple players left to pursue different paths, those kids are fielding one of the best squads in the area. The HC is no stranger to the team, Coach Lincoln was the OC for the 2014 team that went to the PIAA finals vs S. Fayetteville. He recently was HC at Penn Wood where he built that program andtook that team to the playoffs. Last years HC stepped aside because the responsibility was greater than he needed. So best believe the team will be ready to play vs Harrisburg on the 26th. HOTEP!!

  714. McD65 says:

    C Jacoby, best of luck to your boy. I can remember the days of Judge football when they had 3000 boys in the school to choose from. They were a tough bunch back then. I also hope they can return to a highly competitive team.

  715. daryl says:

    @ c jacoby good to hear,my son is going to be a sophomore at ryan.played up jv/v last year as a freshman.

    @ tom f hard getting and keeping kids with wood,lasalle and st joes throwing around alot of money

  716. PastorZack says:

    Scrimmages coming up in a little over two weeks…I know Coatesville is ready to start working against somebody else. Practice has been intense.

  717. paul from philly says:

    @Bob Hines

    The video is fantastic. The Wizard of Wyndmoor did it again. I just want to know if either of these teams played defense.

  718. Bob Hines says:

    @Tom F,

    Agreed! Ryan was a powerhouse of mid-early 90’s and Judge has the North guys going there now so they’re the new squad I root for the most. NE Philly produces some solid talent but sadly they stray away from Judge/Ryan (awesome rivalry too)

    Good to hear the Jacoby kid stay at home and go to Judge. Good luck to your boy this year!

    Roman too-need to step their games up give a solid shove to the normal Red favorites.

  719. Bob Hines says:

    Know some of you guys aren’t the biggest fans- haha- but pretty cool vid showcasing Prep-LaSalle rivalry. Check it out.


  720. Tom F says:

    The Catholic league needs Judge and Ryan to step up in football, I’m tired of all the great players in the NE going to Prep, laSalle and the Inter Ac. Those 2 schools have a massive region they can draw kids from.

  721. C Jacoby says:

    @ daryl Father Judge High School. Have a very young team, going to get some much needed experience this yr. Then I’m hoping we can make things interesting at least. Division is tough now, as it should be!

  722. Sid Farunman says:

    C Jacoby: What did these “offers” say? Curious.

  723. RCFB09 says:

    Wait, I think I seen your son play before.
    Did he play for the Pennsauken Panthers in the spring of 2016?
    Mike was supposed to go to Roman wasn’t he? What happened with that? I’m assuming he’s at father judge now?

  724. daryl says:

    @c jacoby what school is your son playing for?

  725. C Jacoby says:

    @ CYOBall1 Lol, I agree hell have some growing pains. Not trying to sound cynical but just keep an eye out. Got offers from SJ Prep, LaSalle, Wood, Roman, Germantown Academy, McDevitt, Caroll, and 2 NJ team’s Camden Catholic & Pope Pius I think..Already commented earlier about this, he’s not concerned with jumping on the big name schools. Went to one little quakers practice & coach said he’d start him but respectively declined as his teammate would of been benched & honestly I didn’t have the $ for their road trip to TX. So he did the under armour camp & was picked (350+ kids only 1 per position) as the OT mammal award. Cyo team mvp(8 gd) Started the cyo all star game both ways, picked for battle of the bridge pa vs nj(where the 2 jersey offers came from) Played basketball until hs now just football, footwork & working out! He’s respectful, humble, smart(3.8 GPA honors classes) & a great kid. Don’t forget, in 6 mons when the seasons over I want to see what you think then! I’m glad he’s gonna be challenged nothing beats philly hs football pub & cath. It has its own identity. Thank you for the advice & kind words!

  726. jtrun says:


    North Schuylkill almost always has a great year,
    they’ve just fallen short in many Distruct 11 Chanpionships
    vs. top Colonial League teams. Just seem to come up just short do the Spartans, great regular seasons though in Schuylkill and old Anthracite League.

  727. Matt says:

    @Brian…..agree NS with Notre Dame GP (Defending AAA dist 11 champs) and Palisades (went 8-4 ) last year and return 19/22 starters should be top three in AAA dist 11. NDGP is my favorite in AAA dist 11 and is in my opinion top 5 in AAA in state after making state semis last year.

  728. Brian says:

    Just read the North Schuylkill preview, should have a great season. No excuses this year.

  729. CYOBall1 says:

    @C Jacoby the competition at the Freshman level and the Varsity level is night and day to say the least.

    Let’s wait and see how he performs against the DL/OL of SJP, Wood, Ryan, LaSalle etc., before we start making LeBron James analogies.

    Best of Luck to your son and his Crusader teammates this year.
    Football cant start soon enough!

  730. CYOBall1 says:

    @C Jacoby your son really sounds like an animal man.
    Who were the schools that were after him when he was in 8th grade?

  731. C Jacoby says:

    @D12FAN Thanks for your reply! He just went to the PSU camp last weekend & played lights out. He’s a soph this yr, but went up against the big boys jr/sr’s. Great learning experience, he stopped every 1 on 1 drill, and was second overall in bench press (1 kid beat him by 2 reps). He’s getting thrown in there starting LT/DT so he’ll get plenty catch up experience. Coaches rave about him, I keep his butt grounded no cocky crap. I got lucky size wise, but I made sure he’s humble & respectful. But on that field, he’s gotta be something else to get to where he wants to go. I talked him into doing wrestling, & said each suplex he does = 20 bucks. He said I better have a 100 first match, but we keep it fun like that. To me & him, it means more playing with real friends & teammates you’ve known for yrs while representing your neibour hood than to start on a star studded squad. Said no taking your talents to SJP/LaSalle lol. Nothing against them, but he single handily beat LaSalle last yr in a thriller. Prep doubled him the whole game, he still got work in. Great players have to constantly be pushed, I’m hoping all this hard work pays off.

  732. Route54 says:

    Brian. NS should do good.
    7 return on Offense ,10 returning on defense.I believe starting QB returns.

  733. Mike Smoll says:

    @Route54, they are not allowed to have any formal scrimmages in Penna yet, so no you won’t find them on anyone’s schedule, they can have voluntary walk thru’s and even 7 on 7 passing drills, but no scrimmages.

  734. Brian says:

    Still looking for any information regarding North Schuylkill this season. Thanks in advance.

  735. McD65 says:

    pete, st Johns used to be one of the better feeder Parishes for Bishop McDevitt,but with open enrollment most choose Wood if its a Catholic non private school. Ahh ! how times have changed. BTW ,I tore up my knee playing on that field behind the school [rocks].That was many many many years ago.

  736. 7osman says:

    rumor as it that jarad marshman, Berwick QB
    is out for the season.

  737. Route54 says:

    I understand there are some scrimmages tommorow in District 11 and 2. Not found on any schedules. Anyone have any info on this.

  738. Joe Myers says:

    I Saw Berwick’s Football Team The Other Night And They Better Hope There Quick Cause There Not Very Big I’m Predicting Berwick To Finish With No Wins This Year.

  739. WPRuff says:

    What are your most anticipated games that are Must See TV this season? Imhotep vs Harrisburg, North Penn vs LaSalle, Prep vs Wood, NG vs O Hara, NG vs WC?

  740. Frank G says:

    @Jk Trop

    Look at LaSalle’s games against North Penn, Wood, Malvern, and the Prep. Against NP Madden got 196 of LS’s 202 rushing yards. Against MP he got all 148 of their net rushing yards. Against Wood he got all 85 of their net rushing yards. Against the Prep in two games he got 369 rushing yards; the rest of the team got a net of 34.

    I recognize that Jones would have made a big difference and he’ll make a big difference this year, but stats above indicate that against good teams LaSalle had very little going for them last year other than Madden. As for 7 on 7 “games” call me a skeptic about their relevance.

  741. pete says:

    @WPRuff my son played varsity with him as a freshman as well. My son was on the D-LINE along with pitts. They made a good pair on that line! Glad Kyle got D1, he’s a good kid!
    @jktrop those other kids came from the St johns program as well. We had a stack team in 2014 there.

    @knowonder At that time sorber was the coach, many people left due to that. Conlin has come in and done so much better with the kids. No cussing out the boys from Conlin! Glad Kyle got to his spot! Good kid! My son and he got along well. I was introduced to him and he was extremely polite and well mannered. So well done to his parents! His mom was on the board with my wife before they left for wood!

  742. WPRuff says:

    @Pete You didn’t see much because a TE shouldn’t be playing QB. Pitts p;ayed major Varsity minutes as a Freshman then starting on Varsity as a Sophomore along with size, ability and performing in his natural position plus a real workout regiment made him a D1 prospect before his Junior year campaign. All I know is I’m ready for this season to get underway.

  743. JkTrop says:


    Just a Note on Madden had 16TDs last season all underclassmen had 21TDS….

  744. JkTrop says:

    Yes, Quiles is a great player when healthy. I believe vs Carroll last year he had 170 yards 4Tds. And you are 100% correct he would run through a wall if you told him. If he plays 80% of the games this year he will be All-Caltholic… But that’s a big if. Thing about LaSalle they have like 7-8 kids just like him

  745. KnoWonder says:

    U didn’t see much at Abington bc he was playing QB/LB, which he playing well out of position. So, after noticing that , he had to move to a better situation which would allow him to thrive at the position that HE wanted play. AbWood allowed him to do so, as u now see. Now, he’s become a much better student/athlete, as a result of his changed environment. Bottom line, know ur kid and put him in the best situation suitable for his talent both academically & athletically!!!!

  746. D12FAN says:

    I had heard Neumann Goretti picked up a lot of the players from Del-Val charter school that closed this summer, which had a solid football program for 3a that won at least one state playoff game last year, I believe. Plus NG had a few really good players before they folded, and add in the TEP transfers, and Albie buzz, and they have something to keep an eye on.

  747. pete says:

    @JkTrop Quilles played with my son at St John of the cross crusaders CYO team. He had a couple of good games last year. I think he had a 4 touchdown game as well. Only knock on him is that he is small and likes to run through walls! So his health (Head Trauma) is a concern for him. The head coach from Imhotep stepped aside, so the kids are leaving enmasse from there. I forget where the coach who made the program at Imhotep went. ALbie crosbie?

  748. pete says:

    @WPRuff He played for Abington. Didn’t really think he had D1 skills at that time. Guess he must have gone to a ton of camps and improved. I didn’t see his name much in the highlights from wood either. They have another kid as well Nasir Peoples who will go D1 as well and I wasn’t really impressed with him either. But I guess I don’t know real talent when I see it then. Guess that’s why the coaches get paid to do that job and I don’t! Wood has snagged a bunch of kids from Abington’s program over the years.

  749. WPRuff says:

    @ Pete. Hey Pete why was it surprising to you that Pitts went D1 and what team did your son and him play on together?

  750. WaiverWire1 says:

    @Come on Man!
    Ill go a little further…
    They weren’t just 0-9 last year, they folded the program half way through the season in order to duck certain teams. They then tried to play on Thanksgiving day against Southern whom they deemed a lesser opponent.
    NG ended the season last year with 12 guys on the roster. Now I am hearing that they have numbers around 70. I also have confirmation that there are kids that are working out with the team that ARE NOT enrolled in the school and are actually enrolled in other schools.
    Wells and Johnson two confirmed transfers. At least Wells lives in South Philadelphia. They have another kid Dashan Williams(not sure if he’s any good)transferring in from Perk Valley.
    How does a kid(senior) from Collegeville end up there?

  751. Come on man! says:

    So Neuman Gorreti got Wells and Johnson from Imhotep. I heard 23 kids transferred in for this season. Is this true? Nobody is complaining? PIAA needs to check this out. They were 0-9 last year now everybody wants to play for them. Sounds strange to me.

  752. JkTrop says:

    @Frank G

    I agree Madden was the Offense, but he was really there only option with Injuries so he carried the workload. A Few sophs stepped up, Malle & Quiles but both battled injuries. Everything you said was all last year an that’s over with, it is a new year with a 0-0 record. All i was saying was they return a lot of kids with Varsity experience including Jones who as one guy said has been looking great in 7 on 7’s, Trust me you will see that he can pass very well. You will see a Different team this year, all them sophs are Srs now from when they beat Prep in the PCL and they are hungry to get back, they have that wow factor with the talent. Put them 3rd that works, gotta beat the best to be the best and Prep/Wood are that.

    I believe LaSalle’s RBs will be by Committee
    Quiles, Carter, Burnham, and there is a few Soph/JR that will help out. If Quiles is healthy he will be a huge part of the offense, as for Carter he has been a surprise an from what i heard above & Beyond from what he was last year. Time will Tell, but nobody will replace Madden, it will be done by a unit

  753. Kevin X says:

    Coatesville now hosting Reading (D3) on Fri. 9/8 and not that team from Ohio???

  754. D12FAN says:

    Correct Frank-

    and loss to a good NP team for 5 losses without roman game.

    Prep and Wood were complete blowouts vs LS, 63-35 didn’t even come close to telling the whole story and 31-8 was never a game against Wood. Hopefully much more competitive this year.

  755. Frank G says:


    Yes, LaSalle returns a lot of starters, but remember that Madden was the LaSalle offense last year and he’s gone. They’re also a team that were very lucky to beat Roman by a point and lost handily to Wood, Malvern, and the Prep (twice). I know Jones runs the ball very well but we just don’t know how well he can pass. Seven starters on that Prep defense that largely shut down the LaSalle offense in last year’s championship game are back. I’d say LaSalle will come closer to the Prep and Wood than they did last year but I’d still put them at third in the Red Division.

  756. Clark31c says:

    Does anybody know if LaSalle’s football has a web page to check them out ? And what’s the team this year to watch in District 1 ? Thanks football fans…

  757. Mike A. says:

    Williamsport tailback Treyson Potts says he will miss this season with knee injury

  758. WVW Fan says:

    Any news on Potts? Significant injury?

  759. McD65 says:

    JK, who are LaSalles RBS this year ?

  760. Matt says:

    My thoughts on Colonial League (Dist 11) ranking teams from top to bottom….of course it early yet but season is only a month away.

    1) SL 9-1 2) Saucon 9-1 3) Notre Dame 8-2 4) Palisades 8-2 5) Palmerton 6-4 6) Northern Lehigh 5-5 7) NW 5-5 8) Pen Argyl 4-6 9) Bangor 3-7 10) Catty 3-7 11) Salisbury 2-8 12) Wilson 0-10

  761. Matt says:


    What teams in Sch. League in AAA will be coming contenders in dist 11 AAA come playoff time with CL Palisades and Not Dame Green Pond. JT? Lehighton? NS?

  762. Matt says:


    Forgot Sch. Haven. They definitely will contend in AA….but like you said Southern will be favorite in AA and will be for at least next few years. It’s scary to think that last year they made the finals with mostly freshman and sophomores.

  763. JkTrop says:


    I agree with you there. La Salle is stacked, they return like 18/19 starters including Special teams. I believe the entire O-Line/D-Line is returning and 3 LB’s including Middle LB Lemke. The sky is the Limit with this bunch. Coach Steinmetz will most certainly have them prepared. North Penn the 1st Game will be a great test to see where they are.
    Liam Trainer
    Dillon Trainer (soph)

  764. PigskinMan says:

    @Bob Hines

    Isaiah Jones looks great so far this summer, i had a chance to get out an take the drive down 309 to see him at 2 7 on 7’s in the last month, all i can say is wow, accurate, smooth, poise, very athletic and looks very strong. He torched Neshaminy & IMHOTEP. La Salle has a TON of talent, i was so impressed with the depth of athletes that they have, i noticed 6/7 WR’s 1 being son of NFL Hall of Famer Marvin Harrison a Freshman who looked pretty solid having a few TD catches. Also having 2/3 BIG TE’s that were all getting a ton of time with the starting unit, and they were missing 2 other WR starters from what i heard from a parent. Coach Gordon is going to be licking his chops with all the options. I know It’s only 7 on 7 but there is something special about this team i cant wait to follow.

    2A Dunmore lost their QB to the javelin team?

  765. billtown says:

    Potts apparently injured at Penn State camp.

  766. David Mika says:

    Route54….Thank you!

  767. Route54 says:

    To eastern & westerpafootball. Thank you for this website. The time and effort is greatly appreciated.

  768. David Mika says:

    footballoverafl….Schuylkill Haven should be strong again this year.

  769. footballloverafl says:

    @Matt , in District 11 AA i would throw Schuylkill Haven in that bunch also, they made it to the quarters last year and they lose 5 seniors, bring back a lot of talent if they stay healthy they will play SCA but will lose to them again

  770. Bob Hines says:


    Yup, Isaiah Jones- my bad. Don’t know how I forgot about him. Yeah LaSalle is going to have a pretty damn good squad. Can’t wait.

  771. pete says:

    McD 65, Pitts was a steal from Abington. He played with my son and then jumped to wood. I was quite surprised when I found out he was going D1.

  772. McD65 says:

    OK guys I got it !!!! lol

  773. Dave says:

    6,230 lbs.? That is one huge TE!!!

  774. J b anthony says:

    @neutral observper

    Scranton Prep will actually be about ” Defense Wins Games”
    The district is down
    The Cavs may actually look more dominant than you think

  775. Kmac says:


    The way your note posted reads “6Ft 6,230 lbs”. Its a spacing thing. Buddy knows but is adding humor to the post. The weight is Jumbo the elephant size on the 1882 Barnum Circus. Hope all is well, can’t wait for the opening kickoff.

  776. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    Allrighty then.


    Read your post.

  777. McD65 says:

    Buddy , What do you mean ??

  778. David Mika says:

    FridayNightLights…Thanks for sharing!

  779. FridayNightLights says:

    Phillyboy and Buddy

    They have a new website that Mr. McLarnon set up. It’s http://www.northpenn.football

    Much better site

  780. Buddy says:


    How in the world are they going to get him there?!?

  781. McD65 says:

    Archbishop Wood TE Kyle Pitts has committed to University of Florida,6ft 6,230 lbs .He had multiple offers including Penn State.

  782. Buddy says:


    No idea. I almost never go there.

    Let’s see if Friday knows.

  783. phillyboy says:

    Hey you North Penn guys out there, Friday, Buddy — any idea what’s up with the npfootball website? It redirects me to mclarnon.com, what’s that all about?

  784. McD65 says:

    Kevin X,District 1 5 A Favorites would probably include Academy Park again and Marple Newtown could be in the mix also. Neuman Gorreti has the Albie Crosby coaching factor which has already made a difference from what I hear. RB Chris Wells and OT Johnson have transferred from Imhotep to the Saints, so it appears that Harrisburg will get a break in their opener vs Tep. You can tell the season is getting closer as the board is heating up.

  785. Matt says:


    I also forgot Harrisburg in 5A…they play in West for playoffs though….I think they are keeping same brackets this year and make adjustments next year once two year cycle ends.I have NG competing because of Crosby…His teams are always competitive. Maybe it will take a year or two but they will be good soon.

  786. D11 Fan1 says:

    Any word on how Easton looks heading in to the new season with the new regime? Their social media presence certainly has picked up with offseason clips. Any word on how they’ll look?

  787. Kevin X says:

    @ Matt

    Also forgot to toss Harrisburg into the mix at 5A. They are an eastern D3 school, but I’m assuming they will be in the western half of the playoff bracket again. I see nothing out there that would throw a wrench into a H-Burg/Wood 5A finals rematch, unless there is a power out in D7 land. Actually, does anyone now if the playoff brackets will be set up the same this year as last, or of any tweaks or changes???

    The six championship finals still be contested over the course of 3 days again?? Really hated that Thursday night 4A time slot. Couldn’t they get 3 games in on Friday???

  788. FballFan56 says:


    LaSalle College HS preview from Bob Long Sports. A bit short on detail, as it does not include the names of some players who will be major contributors this coming season.

  789. McD65 says:

    D 12 fan,Those 3 games with North Jersy teams Paramus Catholic and Bergen Catholic vs Wood and St Peters Prep/St Joe are going to be brutal. St Peters has one of their best teams in awhile IMO since Branden Wimbush {Notre Dame] was their QB. I sure hope for the best for our Philly guys ,but man it will be tough. Paramus Catholic/Wood Labor day weekend Saturday evening. I’m sure many of us will be there.

  790. Neutral Observer says:

    District 2 Predictions:

    A: Old Forge. I know OF had a down year last year, but I think Schuback is going to have them rolling again.

    2A: Dunmore. They lost their QB to the javelin, but I think the O-line carries them.

    3A: Scranton Prep. They won’t be as dominant as 2016, but I don’t see anyone else in 3A to knock them off.

    4A: Who the heck knows? Last year, I said it was a two team race between Berwick and Valley View. Enter North Pocono. I don’t think it will be NP again (lost a huge senior class). At the risk of “fool me once…”, I want to say it’s a two team race between Berwick and Valley View.

    5A: Wyoming Valley West, but I could see Abington Heights playing them tough. That game is at WVW so I see the home team pulling out a close one.

    6A: Delaware Valley. I think as long as Olsommer is at DV, then 6A is DV’s to lose. I don’t see a Scranton team this year capable to upsetting DV.

  791. Kevin X says:

    @ Matt

    I hear that Roxboro in D12 may make a strong run to Hershey this year in AAAA 😉

    Interesting that you have Neumann-Goretti in there at 2A, a year removed from a season that they didn’t even finish and didn’t win a game that they did play.

    Coatesville in 6A

    Who are the potential top teams in D1 5A??

  792. Route54 says:

    Jtrun. Give it another week or 2 and they should have more information available, returning players,team weaknesses, team strength etc. Right now some teams have information and some do not. Not a solid indicator of how a team will perform but it will give some insight of their potential. I’m putting together my rankings and picks. Just not enough info out there right now. Not a Schuylkill league team, anyway, Tri valley is looking good in District 11. Schuylkill haven too.

  793. D12FAN says:

    Nice write up! Prep will be very good as Simmons will be tough to guard, even though they lost swift they were still very good when he was hurt. I think losing 5 OL will be tough early on, but their defense may have to carry them early. QB Marquez McCray will have to lead the Hawks this year on O. St Peter’s prep is supposed to be very strong this year not sure about their opener vs Jesuit FLA?

    I thought LS had the QB/S coming back from injury? They definitely should improve on the 5 loss (6 if you are a Roman fan) season and hopefully hang with Prep and Wood this year. I hear they have a lot of size returning as you mentioned. NP, Malvern, and McDonough MD should be good tests.

    I hear wood is pretty excited about their season as well with Glasgow as the third returning lineman in addition to the 2 you mentioned and both TE’s. Peoples should see more action on offense, while the JR QB Colyar should build on an impressive soph year. Their first 4 games are brutal, with Oxbridge Academy, FLA Paramus Cath, Bergen Cath, and Prep.

    Should be another fun PCL season.

  794. Matt says:

    Top teams in each class in east…

    What are your top teams in each class going into 2017?

    Here are a few of mine for each class.

    A: Williams Valley, Marian, Bishop G (since they play in east for state champ)

    AA: Southern Columbia, Nuemann Goretti, Dunmore, Camp Hill

    AAA: Notre Dame Green Pond, Middletown, Scranton Prep

    AAAA: Imhotep, Bethlehem Catholic, Allentown Central

    AAAAA: Wood, Whitehall, WVW

    AAAAAA: Parkland, Emmaus, LaSalle, North Penn, SJ Prep

    Any other teams that should be in there? I’m a dist 11 guy so not too familiar with other districts like dist 11.

  795. Matt says:

    Colonial League 2017

    Any thoughts on CL 2017….teams to watch?

    I believe top teams will be Saucon, SL, ND and Palisades….Notre Dame and Palisades in 3A should be a battle. What teams in Sch. League will contend with Palisades and Notre Dame come playoff time? NS? JT?

  796. Matt3737 says:

    Colonial league

  797. CYOBall1 says:

    @phillyboy how many kids does Roxborough have at practice on a daily basis so far this summer, 9?

  798. jtrun says:

    How do the Jim Thorpe Olympians look this fall? I know
    they return RB St. Hill and some olineman, but not much else?

  799. Bob Hines says:


    LaSalle should be quite solid this year. They lost an all timer in RB Syaire Madden and QB Tommy LaMorte but return a good bit of experience. OL Chris Maloney was a first team all Catholic selection last year, two way lineman Garrett Zobel returns as does TE/LB Liam Trainor. Danny Solecki takes over at QB with some good targets in the speedy duo of Troy Holland and Manny Quiles. They’ll need to find somebody who can run the rock effectively.

    As for Wood more of the same. TE Kyle Pitts is a big time recruit, my sources tell me he’ll pick Florida later today- but has offers from all over Alabama, Ohio State etc. Jr. QB Jack Coylar looked downright impressive last year as Devlin continues to churn out field generals. Also return linemen Tom Walsh and Connor Bishop. On defense they’ll be pretty loaded led by first team all Cath’s DB Nasir Peoples (Virginia Tech) and LB Matt Palmer.

    SJ Prep seems to be a mystery beyond the connection of QB Marquez McCray to WR Darryle Simmons (Virginia Tech also) Running the ball will be Soph. Kobe Burrell and Marques Mason. On defense they bring back DL Ryan Bryce, LBs Myles Talley and Phil O’Connor (Richmond) and DB Dawson DeIuliis.

    All three squads should be strong in the competitive Catholic Red. Also I have no clue what phillyboy is talking about with Roxborough. Best of luck to them though. Finally, go Frankford!

  800. Jelly says:

    Did i read that correctly? Roxborough?????? I would love to hear your reasoning that you think Rox will win AAAA? I did look at there schedule and is pretty weak so they will win games up until Boys Latin & IMHOTEP. Unless kids from IMHO/DEL VAL all went to Roxborough i dont see them winning AAAA

    Also, Lower Merion has not been good in a long while. I don’t see them winning 3/4 games

  801. phillyboy says:

    McD….what, you didn’t hear the scuttlebutt, Roxborough is going to be a beast this year. NO, I was just kidding man. I was trying to come up with a few teams in the Philly region that have history and name recognition with pretty much no chance to do anything. Even my alma mater Lower Cape May might have a chance against Roxborough, lol (LCM had one good year when Matt Szczur of Villanova fame was there — and then back to 7 or 8 losses a year). But I guess my greater point was that Roxborough SHOULD be a beast. Look where it’s located — smack in the middle of an upper middle class part of the city. You could say the same thing for South Philadelphia High and even Ben Franklin. Why are these schools being so ignored? I understand that these schools may have some challenges at the moment, but if everybody automatically discounts it, then it becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy. IMO more people need to take a chill, it’s not so bad. To start a new trend it requires individuals at first, some trailblazers, then eventually it will gain momentum and so forth. And on top of that your kid can possibly walk to school, you can save several thousand dollars per year, and some day a few years down the road, who knows, maybe a school like Roxborough could be rocking Hershey.

  802. mgguy says:

    With only a few weeks to go before the season starts, Nativity BVM in Pottsville needs a new coach. Coach resigned for personal reasons over the weekend.

  803. McD65 says:

    phillyboy,What are you drinking? Those three teams will not come close to your expectations,regardless of how many players return. Roxborough-AAAA would have to get by the likes of Bethlehem Catholic,Imhotep and so many other teams. Lower Merion would have to get by Archbishop Wood,Academy Parkand others in AAAAA. Methacton OMG Emmaus,Parkland,St Joe Prep,North Penn,LaSalle and others. These are just off the top of my head .

  804. Spartan Proud says:

    How are the Spartans of North Schuylkill shaping up. We travel to Marian week 3. Will Marian once again trounce us with a big 4th quarter play. How much more abuse can the North Schuylkill fans take.

  805. phillyboy says:

    @ Jelly

    Watch out for Roxborough this year in the Public League — this might be their first appearance in Chocolate Town. And Lower Merion is loaded, they got a lot coming back. As a dark horse, do not underestimate Methacton, if they can avoid injuries they should be able to make a deep run.

  806. Jelly says:

    Anybody have any previews or predictions on District 12? Prep/LaSalle/Wood? I keep hearing Explorers are loaded? (any truth)?

  807. Fwgritty says:

    Imhotep 2018 Safety Isheem Young commits to Penn State!

  808. Zeke says:

    How does Old Forge look this year

  809. Neutral Observer says:

    @ WVW Fan:

    Thanks for the info on the scrimmage. I agree that it’s tough to say that anyone dominated anyone else when they’re standing there holding tackling dummies. You also make a good point about the first teamers being split between drills.

  810. Route_54 says:

    Single A football is looking strong this year. Few teams in District 11 and 4 so far.After reading team preview, Wyalusing area returns a bunch,basically entire team. District 11 Tri Valley returning a bunch too.

  811. mark d says:

    @Connor Lakeland might have a shot but after that i see nothing on the schedule that they cant handle .

  812. Connor says:

    Does anyone think any team can compete with Dunmore this year?

  813. WVW Fan says:

    @natural observer
    The inside run drills are not padded. It’s only linemen on both sides.. backers qb and rbs…all runs are to be inside. The defense holds a pad so the line blocks against a pad and the defense basically hits the running back with the pad.

    The evaluation of the WVW prep scrimmage was a little exxagerated in my opinion. It’s hard to evaluate in these types of scrimmages. You have a 7v7 going on at the same time as inside run game. So there’s a good chance the 2nd team players are doing some of the plays that 1st teamers would normally. For example WVW 2 inside backers are their tailbacks. If those 2 players are in the 7v7 portion of the scrimmage the 2nd team running backs are in on inside run game and visa versa…if they are playing backer in 7on7 the 2nd team backers are in on inside run game.

    WVW will have a very good run game this year in my opinion. They haven’t showcased the new running backs in the past because of how much Judge was used.

    Bleich was out and Tyson the top WR was out.

    WVW should hold their own this year…if they can stay disciplined which they currently are far from.

  814. J b anthony says:

    Valley View is a legit 7-3 or 8-2 team

  815. Mike Smoll says:

    Sorry Dave, jumped the gun! Awesome.

  816. David Mika says:

    Kevin….As of now. No.

  817. Kevin X says:

    @Dave (or whoever compiles the weekly rankings)

    Has there been any consideration or possibility on expanding the weekly rankings and doing (or going back to, you might say) a top 10 ranking for the 4A, 5A, and 6A schools since there are a good number more of those size schools in our coverage area???

  818. David Mika says:

    Mike, No you didn’t…Our version of two a days starts July 15th. Player Previews at 8am and Team Previews at noon.

  819. Mike Smoll says:

    Dave, did I misread (it was a while ago) but I thought team previews started today July 15th????

  820. Neutral Observer says:

    Interested in the logistics of this Wyoming Valley West / Scranton Prep “scrimmmage”.

    Was this in full pads? What was the design of the “inside run” drills?

    Apologize for my ignorance, but I just didn’t know any PA teams actually did organized scrimmages in the spring.

  821. mark d says:

    route 54 8-2 9-1 talent will go 6-4 !!!!

  822. Eric W says:

    No I did not know about Grayson,hopefully he wont give away the playbook 🙂 Word on the street LY was the Kline’s parents were pressuring Dahms,the coach, for more playing tim…he’s a talent but Uhrig was a better overall game manager…and yes, Nick Johnson played well LY.Looking for him to step up this year. Plus Hatlee is a good LB as well,his brother Hunter was a beast for 3yrs,a few years back

  823. Tom F says:

    Phillyboy, imagine what kind of teams the Downingtown, West Chester and Central Bucks School Districts would have if they didn’t break up the School Districts into several schools.

  824. Bear18 says:

    Eric W
    Wilson(D3) does reload year after year due to the strength of their overall program. There are always receivers coming through their program. One name to watch in the recieving core would be Nick Johnson (5′ 11″ 240lbs) who is a rising junior TE who gained significant playing time as a sophomore last year at TE behind Twiford, and he also saw time at LB. Wilson looks to be strong on the defensive side of the ball as usual. Interestingly their back up QB you mentioned just transferred to a division rival, and supposedly “NOT” for athletic reasons.

  825. TomF says:

    Eric W, not sure if you heard this, but Grayson Kline, Wilson’s backup QB and occasional co-starter transferred to Warwick. I didn’t think he would hang around and be content to be 2nd string in his Sr year. I think Gov Mifflin is going to give Wilson a tough time in the opener after last years schellacking.

  826. phillyboy says:

    Watched the 1994 PIAA 4A state final last night (apparently somebody uploaded it to youtube). Was fascinating; didn’t know that that Downingtown team was ranked 5th in the nation going into the final, wow. Furthermore, I can’t believe I didn’t know about Aaron Harris; perhaps had just a vague memory of his Penn State days. Are you kidding ME?! He was a great one. And McKeesport had Brandon Short on the other side. Makes me nostalgic — you could tell, the top public teams back in the day were the real deal, very powerful.

  827. John says:

    Wvw will be a run team with Bleich

  828. Route_54 says:

    Mark.D. I don’t see any reason why they wouldn’t do good. Looking at what they have on paper, they return good offensive line, QB and a few on defense. Looks like they have been tested very well in 2016.

  829. Eric W says:

    Wilson(D3),yes,always reloads,but saying they “are loaded” and “bringing everyone back” is a bit of a stretch. Their QB Uhrig, had a great year LY,and played well against PCC,but his entire,pretty talented receiving core,is gone(including 2 D1 guys,Weller/Twiford)..not sure who he’s going to throw to. 3 good DB are gone and 2 college bound LB as well. Riegel(1st team all state at OL/DL is gone, as well as their K,who was excellent. Reynoso is back at RB,and is a stud with already 5 D1 offers, but teams will be stacking the box this year,due to lack of WR speed like LY. One other interesting side note is their back up QB who is 6’5″ 220,with a cannon and a FCS scholarship…not sure how he fits in. He could start for most teams. We will see early what they have. Scrimmage Parkland in a few weeks,then 2 tough non league games against Springford and Central Dauphin.

    D3 is never easy,having to get through CD and CV, but WWL has been in the 6A semi’s four times since ’08,so we will see.

  830. mark d says:

    @Route 54 how do you think Valley View will do ? i have a lot of people telling me they should be the top AAAA team in the lackawanna conference

  831. J b anthony says:

    WVW is s 7-3 team ( barely )

  832. J b anthony says:

    @bobby … bleich would have made a difference, but he wasn’t there … explains a little about the porous nature of inside run
    Otherwise it was a lot of bitching by kids from WVW getting beat in the trenches !

    @ Rick D
    First off the coach situation is a reflection of the punks he has playing for them … WVW player pull prep players helmet off during play and slaps him in front of coach Jackson and he didn’t do a thing ( classic teddy )

    11 v 11 WVW barely past 50 ( did only because teddy spotted the ball … prep had a simple full back dive that went 40 yds , the prep kid stopped and they didn’t move the ball one yard on the down …. cmon … the fact is this WVW got pushed around by a 3A school quite handly without Bleich ( not that much of a difference maker ) prep will easily win 3A

  833. Route_54 says:

    Richard. Valley View should be ok. They return 6 on offense and 5 on defense. You can find more info on them on max preps. Their info has been released.

  834. Bog says:

    Preseason co-favorites.
    Emmaus HS- returns a solid core of players. I believe something like 19 of 22 starters from last year. Won the league last year but the QB got injured. He’s graduated.

    Parkland- They return some pretty good talent including the QB and 3 OL plus a talented FB. They will definitely be in the running for a league and district title.

    Liberty returns a bunch of skill players but their line play especially under this new staff hasn’t been stellar.

    Easton has a new HC as Steve Shiffert was run out of town despite winning like an average of 8-9 wins a year. Not too sure what they bring back.

    I’d count on Emmaus or Parkland…to win the district title.

  835. TomF says:

    Wilson is reloading, they lost 7 2-way starters but Mike Keeney is correct, they still are loaded, QB and tailback are big time players, offensive line has a few big kids back. Wilson should be the favorite in District 3, they could make it to the semi’s once again but will probably have a tough time against the west champ.

  836. Richard says:

    How is Valley View looking this year?

  837. Rick D says:

    @ JB A

    You and I must have been at different scrimmages. This is why clueless clowns like you should not be able to communicate with other humans.

    Dominated every facet???!?!!? That could not be farther than the truth. 7 on 7 is a completely useless way to evavulate a football team so I won’t even discuss that. As far as inside run goes no one dominated anyone. And Prep needs to understand what “inside” run means. They ran several perimeter plays like QB keeper and toss while the defense had only their interior box lined up. What does that accomplish? WVW only ran plays strictly between the tackles.

    The 11 on 11 is what counts. WVW drove the ball on Prep without a problem but Prep did make a nice play to get a turnover. Prep scored once on a pass play that was thrown after a quick whistle was blown on the QB and the WVW defense stopped playing (might also have been a blown coverage….if so, kudos to Prep). Other than that one play Prep did not gain more than 25 or 30 yards in probably about 18 or 20 plays.

    That is a realistic summary of the scrimmage. I do agree with the fact Prep will be a very good football team. I am sure they will win the incredibly weak Class AAA title again.

    Let me also mention that WVW scrimmaged without their 2 best football players. You failed to mention that though.

    You also failed to mention how classless the fan from Prep was yelling at kids and coaches from the bleachers. I was across the field in the other bleachers but heard everything very clearly. The WVW coaches simply told the ignorant, classless fan to shut his mouth.

  838. John says:

    Any writers from Eastern PA have a story on this Scranton Prep vs WVW “scrimmage”?

  839. Bobby says:

    @J.B Anthony, WVW had a lot more to offer in the run game if tackle Chris Bleich was there today…

  840. Mike Keeney says:

    Phillyboy, Wilson should be loaded this year. Virtually everyone back. Should be in the D3 title mix again.

  841. J.B. Anthony says:


    3A Scranton Prep “scrimmaged” 5A WVW this morning and the result wasn’t even CLOSE.

    Prep dominated every facet of the scrimmage, 7 v 7, inside run , 11 v 11.

    Had Teddy and Keating yelling at fans….real class acts both of these guys!

    WVW looked “OK” , but they are a 6 or 7 win team at best.

    Could Prep have had more team speed than WVW??? Yep and plenty to spare!

    Don’t sleep on Scranton Prep Folks !

  842. phillyboy says:

    Anybody out there in D11 have any insight, any thoughts on how Parkland, Liberty, Easton, etc. are looking? And what about Wilson-West Lawn over in D3, they usually bring it, some years better than others. West Lawn with a little luck could have won the state title back in 2008.

  843. Ndgp1982 says:

    How will Notre Dame Green Pond in District 11 do this year?

  844. Route_54 says:

    @ Coal_Region & footballalloverafl.
    Interesting read. Coal Region Football. Coal_Region, I will be back to answer about teams in Schuylkill league


  845. Route54 says:

    Coal_Region. No rankings available yet. Schuylkill haven will lead Division II. Otherwise, I’ve said the same thing in years past. A certain team would dominate and unfortunately, they fell apart throughout the season. Marian, new coach, new QB, new running game. Minersville and Mahanoy much improved. Won’t be long, rankings, picks will be released.

  846. McD 65 says:

    Hey guys,Im a PCL person and have no issue with North Penn ,Harrisburg or others recruiting if that’s what they do. I believe the people that have the issues generally are the other public schools that are directly impacted by the transfers. I live by Central Bucks West and when Udinski transferred the CBWest folks that I spoke with were upset, not the Archbishop Wood and other PCL fans. At least that was my take. I don’t really care about the transfers. Attend school wherever you want .

  847. Bob Hines says:

    Buddy you don’t know what you’re talking about. The PCL school I rooted for is closed. I have no ties to any PCL school. I went to a public. The rules ARE entirely different there is no question. All I’m saying is transferring to play football somewhere, which I’m assuming is the case don’t know for sure, is wrong no matter where it’s done but the reactions are completely different when a pub school does it. Criticize everybody the same. Catholics get such a bad wrap and it isn’t fair to the kids who put in the hard work on the field. I am officially done with this topic and further comments will be strictly football.

  848. FridayNightLights says:


    Thank you for the compliment.


    You are so right. There is a major difference between transfers and active recruiting. I happen to know, positively, that some of the top private schools very actively recruit kids in at least middle school. I have a friend that coached a lot of football and he told me he got multiple calls about a kid he coached who was excelling in middle school ball in 7th grade! He doesn’t even know how they got his number.

  849. Mike Smoll says:

    @Bob Hines, whoa, Norristown academically is a bad school, and North Penn is rated far higher, so now you are assuming it’s totally for sports, it very easily could be going to a far better school for both.

  850. Buddy says:

    We’re not talking about transfers. We’re talking about actively recruiting. One can’t help transfers. Are they sometimes encouraged by publics? Maybe, don’t know.

    But privates actively recruit. They are allowed. Does that make us babies if we point that out?
    No. We’re just pointing out the rules aren’t the same. Playing field is not level.

    Having said that, I welcomed the PCL ( including the privates) to the PIAA. If they weren’t here, the team I follow would probably dominant. And that would be a drag.

    But don’t say we’re babies if we point out there’s a BIG difference on how they obtain their players. There is.

    It’s fans like you with your pompous attitude that cause us to disparage SOME of the PCL rules.

    I’ll just assume the PCL teams, coaches & fans don’t have the same outlook you do. This “better than thou” attitude. Sure as hell hope not.

  851. Brian says:

    Can anyone provide any information as to how North Schuylkill will do this season. Thanks!

  852. Champ says:

    Bob Hines…. the comparison you made is a lot closer than you think. Norristown is a bad school

  853. phillyboy says:

    @ FridayNightLights

    What you said…that was great stuff man, eloquently stated.

  854. Bob Hines says:

    @ Smoll,

    No-not of it makes sense, transferring from one school to another for athletics is always wrong and ridiculous. Nobody’s getting my point, you can’t condemn the Catholics then encourage the pubs. Most of you don’t understand the landscape of the city of Philadelphia itself and the levels the public schools have dropped to. At this point just take the PCL out of the PIAA because the majority of you are a bunch of babies plain and simple.

  855. Buddy says:


    OK. I haven’t seen their roster and I don’t twitter. Good to know.

  856. phillyboy says:

    Hines….my handle ‘phillyboy’ has more to do with where I live than anything else. Lansdale is certainly part of the Philadelphia region, an outer suburb. The more traditional Philadelphia public high schools (George Washington, Frankford, Northeast, Central, Southern) aren’t getting it done — it is what it is. If one of those traditional Philly high schools were legit and had a real chance to win a state title at the 6A or 5A level I’d be out in the stands doing the Arsenio Hall arm whip. I don’t have any great affinity with Lansdale per se, it’s just that they’re the one big time public in the Philly region that consistently steps up to the plate with tradition, support, and desire to win — and I respect that.

  857. Coal_Region says:


    It’s a pretty good bet that Pottsville and Schuylkill Haven would be front runners in their respective divisions, any thoughts on early rankings of the rest? In D2 I think it’ll be a toss up with Marian, Mahanoy and Minersville. Barring what we see out of Panther Valley and Shenandoah with the new coaching staffs.

  858. Bob Hines says:

    Buddy I’ll go along with your argument if you can tell me the difference between Norristown and North Penn then give me the difference between Kensington high school and St. Joe Prep…I’ll wait.

  859. FridayNightLights says:


    Most or all of the mentioned names have either shown up on NP rosters on various sites or changed their twitter information to NPHS.

  860. Rick D says:

    Can anyone provide any info about the injury to Williamsport RB Potts??

  861. TomF says:

    TEP”S Justin Johnson transferring to Neumann Goretti. I doubt he will be the only one moving to NG from TEP…..and some other schools now that Albie Crosby is back in the Catholic League


  862. Michael Smoll says:


    So it only makes sense in your mind if they transfer to a Catholic school? I don’t get that

  863. Michael Smoll says:

    Suburban One American, had a recent conversation with two coaches from SOL American schools as to what to expect, both named Plymouth Whitemarsh as the favorite, both listed Hatboro Horsham as the primary contender, both felt the both Quakertown and Upper Dublin both lost a ton and will both be you, the rest of the division Cheltenhem, Upper Moreland and Wissahickon all in the fight for 3-4 -5-6-7 spots.

  864. FridayNightLights says:

    Let me start by saying this…

    I have been a North Penn fan since the early to mid 90’s. I grew up and graduated in the school district. I have a lot of pride in my school and its athletic programs. When the PCL joined the PIAA I hated it. I felt, and still feel, there is/was a distinct advantage for some of those schools. I was completely opposed to “transfers” or in the case of the private schools “children seeking a better education.” If you want to go get a better education that is absolutely fantastic. However, the fact that these top catholic schools recruit the kids looking for better educations who just happen to also be superior athletes when they are in 7th grade is a little bit of a reach. Unfortunately, this is the landscape that has been created. So I ask, is it wrong that North Penn has decided to play the game that was created by powers other than themselves? Are they just supposed to not try and compete with the likes of LaSalle and St Joe’s, who’s starting QB is from the NP school district? Contrary to popular belief the North Penn School District has come a long way and vastly improved over the years. Are they St Joe’s or LaSalle? No they are not. But they provide a number of good opportunities for their students. I can tell you that NPSD is considered very desirable to people looking to buy houses. I do not advocate for the allowance of transfers, recruiting, or districts without borders competing for the PIAA title but nobody at PIAA asked me for my opinion. So I say, this is the landscape that was created for us, not chosen by us. To demand that a public school or schools just sit quietly in the corner while private programs attempt to poach their top young talent is simply not fair. North Penn has a terrific educational and athletic program the players want to be a part of.

  865. CableGuy says:

    Anybody have any information on Lehigh University 7on7 that happened over the weekend? I did see on Twitter that LaSalle won the tournament. Was curious who the stand outs were.

  866. Buddy says:


    Kettle calling the pot black, that’s for damn sure! …….. ” doesn’t make it right”! Goes for PCL too!

    Anyway, does anyone really know these transfers are happening? It was mentioned on this blog and everybody is running with it!

  867. Bob Hines says:


    A few transfers? What a joke. You’re even advocating for more transfers from seemingly arbitrary players from anywhere they can land them. Transferring to a public school in Landsdale makes absolutely no sense whatsoever other than for strictly football reasons. Don’t care what anybody says. Just because you want them to win doesn’t make it right. Also, maybe you should change your name to “landsdaleboy” since you do a lot of hating on your “hometown” squads.

  868. mark d says:

    I am being told that Lakeland in D2 is going to be a very explosive team.Lots of team speed and a big solid line,defense will be young ,but told they should be able to score a lot of points.We will find out early as they open with Valley View and them Dunmore.

  869. McD 65 says:

    Kevin X, Harrisburg/ Tep will be a monster game. Glad to see these two teams come to an Agreement to play. Both teams loaded with talent. football overall,,I think you are wrong with your comment about fans not thinking some of the teams like Haven and SCA are not well regarded, I believe most fans think that those squads are great competitors.I saw the Marian Catholic /Bishop McDevitt game two years ago and was impressed with Marian even though they lost to McDevitt in Philly. They were very well coached and hit !!!

  870. Route54 says:

    Hey, footballoverafl. I agree, Schuylkill haven should have another great season. If they run into SCA, it’s another roadblock. Williams Valley and Marian will probably duke it out again in district 11. Last year Marian gave up 23 unanswered in the 4th quarter knocking them out of finals. I think stuff like that will change under new coaching.

  871. Kevin X says:

    @ Mike A.

    Also in regards to your North Penn post, I’m hearing that North Penn is changing its name to North Penn Catholic just to keep up with the Jones…………

  872. Kevin X says:

    @ Mike A

    Thanks for the post on the potential Imhotep/Harrisburg tilt. Just saw on the same PennLive website it appears that the game is a go. 1p Saturday the 26th in Harrisburg. Would of liked to see the game at Hershey (or in the Philly area), but guess the amusement park will be quite busy that day and costly to host. The ESPN broadcast appears still TBD.

  873. Footballloverafl says:

    for this upcoming season in the schuylkill league where most of you guys could careless about since there’s supposedly “no good talent” that comes out of that area. my picks for the league are Haven and pottsville will win division 2 and 1, in districts i would say Williams Valley will win A, Haven 2A and i don’t believe there’s gonna be any other champions, keep an eye out for North Schuylkill also. what other teams in d11 from A through AAA are there that are suppose to have good seasons this year?

  874. phillyboy says:

    Thanks for that FBallFan56, darn too bad, would have been nice if McDevitt kid joined NP. Need as much talent as possible to keep up with and have a fighting chance against schools like LaSalle and Prep who acquire new stud players on a yearly basis.

    Bob Hines….NP seemingly benefits a little from a few transfers — and you come apart. The private schools are masters of the craft. Are you kidding yourself? The PCL is basically an all-you-can-recruit buffet, enough to make Golden Corral jealous.

  875. Buddy says:

    @ phillyboy

    Agree to disagree. The variables are not the same. When you have 19 starters returning ( LaSalle), with game experience, that matters a lot, even if it is the first game for both.

    If NP played LS, say the 6th game of the year, I would call it a toss-up. But LS will be, and should be, favored in this game.

  876. Mike A. says:

    Harrisburg, Imhotep Charter nearing deal to face off in football opener

  877. Mike A. says:

    North Penn sounds like a transfer haven for football All Stars from what I’m reading.

  878. FBallFan56 says:

    @phillyboy, I hear that the McDevitt kid you refer to remains at McDevitt: he’s been showing up for summer training activities there.

  879. phillyboy says:

    Just wanted to say, I don’t buy this notion that NP has a better chance against LaSalle or whoever later in the year. It’s basically the same variables for all teams, the rosters for all teams change every year, and if there’s enough talent it will most likely offset any lack of chemistry, all teams tend to more or less gel as the year progresses. Bottom line: if a team dominates then they’re better.

  880. FridayNightLights says:

    @ Mike Smoll

    I agree. North Penn will need to bring a lot together for that first game. I would feel better about it if they were playing LaSalle week 3. That being said, I do take solice in the fact LaSalle will not have Madden. I wouldn’t say there is NO WAY NP beats LaSalle in that first game though. Especially since it is at Crawford Stadium. My guess is they will have to rely on defense and the run game early but with the players they have they should be able to. They return the entire secondary and added a few more starter quality players.

  881. Mr215_Sam says:


    Yes i don’t see La Salle losing to NP this year just because of that reason, NP all new players getting used to playing with each other for the first time should be interesting. LaSalle doesn’t have that problem having 90% of there starting team back, alot of them are the big guys upfront and LBs. I believe Isaiah Jones is back and 100%, if he is there all year at QB/S they will be a huge problem for anybody they play including Prep/Wood.

  882. Michael Smoll says:

    @King Cobra, personally do I expect a re-loaded North Penn who has a whole bunch of new ballplayers playing in their first game together to beat LaSalle, NO WAY in August, September, but come November after they have played together for a year, North Penn is a whole Different animal.

  883. phillyboy says:

    I hope the kid from McDevitt transfers to North Penn, young man’s got some game. The beauty of it is that these additions will really help their defense as well. Can’t wait to see how North Penn comes together, man, I might have to check out a scrimmage beforehand; haven’t done that since they scrimmaged Bosco back in 2010.

  884. Bob Hines says:

    Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait!!!!

    GA and Ryan I’ll give you guys the benefit of the doubt that you’ll say they live in NP school district. What exactly is the excuse for Norristown and PW?!? This is EXACTLY the thing you public school drum beaters rag on the Catholics for. The hypocrisy of NP fans is astounding. Can’t beat em, join em mentality??? You’re now PROMOTING a major knock on today’s high school football!!! Hate transfers anywhere, anytime but that’s a total joke.

    Will any NP fans disavow?

  885. King Cobra says:


    Nothing like reloading, Henley is a really good player. I just watched QB DePaul’s HUDL from a recent 7 on 7, he’s really accurate has a decent arm but that’s all with no pressure, he doesn’t have the legs that Udinski had that’s for sure. I will be excited to see them Vs LaSalle week 1 because what i hear they are loaded with returning starters on O & D, i even heard Marvin Harrison Jr is a incoming Freshman and getting reps with the 1’s. August cant come soon enough

  886. FridayNightLights says:

    King Cobra,

    You are very right. Udinski and Johns are almost impossible to replace. From what I can tell the new players are Steve DePaul-QB Norristown, KJ Cartwright-RB Germantown Academy, Kahn Jamal-RB Plymouth Whitemarsh, and Shamar Edwards-WR Archbishop Ryan. DePaul will be a junior and based solely on his hudl tape looks like he has good pocket mobility and a solid arm…something Beck can work with. He was Norristown’s starter his sophomore year. KJ Cartwright is a speed back that is dangerous catching the ball out of the backfield. Lots of speed there. Kahn Jamal is a bigger, power back. I would expect him to be the workhorse. Shamar Edwards was second team All-Catholic league Red division as a sophomore last year. Combine these players with returners such as Justis Henley (1,000 yds receiving), Owen Thomas at TE, Jon Haynes, and Anthony Andrews at FB. I have also heard talk of Jaron Macon as well but I do not know about that. It is not out of the realm of possibility they could be as good or better. It is also very possible they aren’t. They have a lot of good football players and athletes, it’s up to Beck to pull it all together.

  887. PastorZack says:

    Coatesville finally has an opponent scheduled for week 3, Trotwood-Madison from Ohio on Saturday, September 9.

  888. King Cobra says:

    Who are all these Transfers that North Penn got for this season? No way they are as good as last year. Losing Johns/Udinski will be very hard to replace.

  889. McD 65 says:

    Kevin and Phillyboy, fyi Oxbridge Academy Woods first game was 10-2 last year with one of their losses being to IMG Academy. They are a solid program and expect to be very good again this season.

  890. Coal_Region says:


    For division 2 I would imagine Schuylkill Haven is going to be front runner coming into the season. Mahanoy, Marian and Minersville all seem to be around the same and should be competitive. I don’t know what to say about Shenandoah and Panther Valley, both have new coaches as well as Marian does and only time will tell what will come of that.

  891. phillyboy says:

    Yeah, Wood has a tough schedule. Their opener in FL isn’t necessarily so tough but surely the others. Teams need to be careful, remember a few years ago Bergen Catholic had what was probably the toughest schedule in the country — and it showed; they ended up being something like 2-8 or 3-7 on the year.

  892. Kevin X says:

    @ Armand

    Can’t answer your Springfield Montco question, but it does appear they jumped ship from the SOL (at least for football) and hooked up with the Bicentennial League. Looks like a much easier schedule overall ahead of them. Makes sense for a school of that size.

    @ McD

    Agreed on both counts. Those first four games, ouch!!! Don’t know anything about that Oxbridge school in FLA, but I’m sure they are no slouch. Too bad Wood couldn’t move the Prep game to that now open date in late October just to break things up some.

  893. PaFootballFan2006 says:

    Who will be the best teams in A & AA?

  894. PaFootballFan2006 says:

    Who will be the best teams coming out of A & AA this year?

  895. McD 65 says:

    Kevin,I don’t blame Upper Darby for bailing out from Wood after last years game. Speaking of Wood ,they have one of if not the toughest schedule of any team this year . Their first 4 games are unbelievably brutal.

  896. jtrun says:

    What’s the outlook for the Schuylkill League this year?

  897. Route 191 says:

    When does full contact practice start. Is it late July?

  898. Armand says:

    Looking at North Penn’s schedule I noticed that they are the visiting team the first five weeks of the season. If that is true it appears that Beck really plans to make a statement this year. I heard they have some new names that should make an immediate impact.

    While driving by Springfield (Montco) I see that they have dug the playing surface up and aparently will replace it with turf which that field so desperately needed. Can anyone shed light on what kind of numbers (players) that program will hold in light of their dropping the program last year?

  899. Kevin X says:

    Thanks Dave!!!

    So, did Upper Darby bail on Wood on 10/20?? Thought they were scheduled. UD now playing Middletown, DE?? Wood then with an open date??

    Also, SJPrep only 8 regular season games??

  900. Lance says:

    @Tom. F. In Class 3A look for Central Valley and Aliquippa to be the 2 Powers in the WPIAL. Sharon could unseed Hickory in D-10. Martinsburg Central,Huntingdon,Tyrone and Bellefonte should lead a Competitive Dist. 6. In the East I like Scranton Prep..Danville..Loyalsock..Montoursville. District 4 will be Strong!

  901. David Mika says:

    Kevin, Catholic schools are up on the site.

  902. Kevin X says:

    Does anyone know when the D12 schedules will be updated/revealed and complete on this site?? Just scrolling thru them, they are mostly void or incomplete.

    So is C’Ville and Bensalem going to hook up in week 3? They both have an open date that weekend it still appears. As far as I can see, that is the only viable option for those guys at this point, unless they are going to take a bye week. I do see that they both only have 4 home games scheduled, and I’m sure both would much rather have a 5th home game. Granted they are somewhat of a distance from each other, but still, c’mon guys, work something out. It would be a shame to forego a nice weather (assuming so) early season Friday night.

  903. phillyboy says:

    McD65, I was also at the Wood/BC game last year at Tennent. We might have passed each other unknowingly. Btw, there was nobody collecting admission at the gate. I wonder if that is normal there, pretty sweet deal. Now that I have a car again, just might drive up to Oradell. As a high school football geek it’s fun to educate oneself and check out some games at prominent programs, see the campus, stadium and town. You ever get to a Don Bosco game? I went to that Cardinal O’hara game several years back at Ramsey. O’hara’s QB plays for the Houston Texans now — but was injured that game. They also had an excellent receiver that I believe went to Ohio State. Nevertheless O’hara had their hands full on that one. That reminds me, sheesh, what on earth has happened to Delco ball? There’s been a famine in Delco for quite some time. O’hara, Strath Haven, and Ridley are now part of PIAA lore. Garnet Valley has been above average — and that’s about it.

  904. David Mika says:

    July 15th is when we start team previews.

  905. McD 65 says:

    phillyboy,fyi,Bergan Catholic /Wood again this year at BG. BG has a very good returning QB committed to Boston College. I saw last years game and BG is for real. The best matchup IMO will be st Joe Prep /St Peters Prep which is loaded. I believe the game is at Widener.

  906. phillyboy says:

    Thanks for that McD65. I had just reached out to an old friend about getting together for that game, invitation was accepted, then dog gone it, saw what looked like an away game on maxpreps. Maxpreps must be mistaken then.

    Anyway, that’s a big time game there. Wood holds their own in these out of state matchups, they pounded DeMatha a few years ago, but came up short against Bergen Catholic last year. These games are intriguing; in a sense it’s not just Wood vs. Paramus but Philadelphia vs. New York.

  907. D12FAN says:


    Wood’s last opponent featured 2 defensive ends committed to PSU and Wood was very successful..:)
    That being said Paramus Catholic is a different beast, I believe they won the North Jersey Super Conference last year and return a lot. Should be an interesting labor day weekend match-up….

  908. Billy Splain says:

    great info on the success factor Indiana uses and PIAA is considering: https://soundcloud.com/bobbyg16148/seymour-indiana-sports-editor-jordan-morey-discusses-indiana-success-factor

  909. McD 65 says:

    Wood/Paramus Catholic is at Tennant. Paramus Catholic has a defensive end who just committed to Penn State. They have a very formidable lineup as in past years. It could be a tough night for the Vikings.

  910. FridayNightLights says:

    McD 65

    The poster might be right. NP will have a VERY talented roster again. They lost some very good players but also returned some and added some. Time will tell if they can come together the way they did last year. Coatesville looms large if they can get there though.

  911. FridayNightLights says:


    That will be the key early. I have said since they lost last year that if they can find a QB for this year they will be a force again. I hope this DePaul kid can play. I think he has been playing with their 7v7 team.

  912. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    I like it. Hope it all jells.

  913. Kevin X says:

    So other than C’Ville and North Penn, who rounds out the top 5 in 6A D1 ???

    Also, how about the top 5 (in no particular order) contenders in 5A D1??

  914. McD 65 says:

    Buddy,your probably right. I listened to a poster who stated that the Defense would be better and the passing game would not have much drop off. I should screen those kind of statements for realism. Udinski and Johns were just super players and would be hard to replace their contributions.

  915. phillyboy says:

    Hey, does anybody out there know if the Wood/Paramus Catholic game is going to be at Tennent HS or Paramus? According to maxpreps.com it’s going to be an away game. Anybody have any insight on this?

  916. FridayNightLights says:

    Buddy and McD 65

    Here’s what I think I know. They lost Udinski, Johns, Hubler, Vasger, and Dillon who were all key or major contributors. They return Henley, Haynes, Thomas, and Andrews. From what I understand and see on twitter they added Khan Jamal, Steve DePaul, KJ Cartwright, and possibly Jaron Macon and some receiver from A. Ryan. Kahn Jamal is a bigger back and should carry the load while Cartwright is a speedster and can catch the ball out of the backfield. These two could combine to make the RB position better than last year. Steve DePaul was Norristown’s starting QB last year and will be a junior. I have heard he can chuck it a little bit. Jaron Macon, if he is on the team, has been getting some D1 looks. They return more than people would think. On defense they return the entire secondary along with their best LB in Owen Thomas. They also return two starting D linemen.

  917. Michael Smoll says:

    For what it’s worth, I’m hearing even though there are a lot of new pieces, North Penn will have one of their better teams, although I agree with Buddy, better than last year?

  918. Buddy says:

    @McD 65

    Where you hear that from?

    If you didn’t hear from the NP coaching staff or sports journalists in the know, then it’s merely a rumor.

    Don’t see how that is possible.

  919. McD 65 says:

    From what I have been hearing ,North Penn will be better this year than last. I find that hard to believe with the loss of Udinski and Johns among others. They were a powerhouse last year. What makes them better this year ???? I do think that they will be there in the end with Coatsville for the District 1 title.

  920. Buddy says:

    @ Friday:

    Yea, I saw that. Thanks

    @ Smoll:

    You’re right. NP doesn’t have it together 1st or 2nd games. But they have another gear during playoffs.

    @ Kevin:

    Agree. I got Coatesville top dog in D1. Most likely NP 2nd. That should be settled later in the year.

  921. mark d says:

    i am being told that Dunmore QB will not return for his senior year. He going to focus on the javelin where he was the AA state champ.

  922. Andy says:

    Jahon Dotson WR, has returned to Nazareth , he has been granted immediately eligible.?? D1 prospect. I am surprised by the automatic eligibility.. Good Luck

  923. Kevin X says:

    @ McD65, I think Coatesville will be your sleeper lurking in 6A……, P-R out west.

    Any one else is 5A, east or west, going to challenge Wood and H-Burg, or everyone already eyeing a Hershey re-match?

    Same with 4A, ‘Tep v ECP in the grudge match??

  924. Michael Smoll says:

    @McD65, I got the feeling it will be the old North Penn teams of the past, meaning, they play a tough beginning and may take some knocks as all their new pieces come together, but come November, watchout.

  925. Tom F says:

    Interesting tidbits about Mike Williams testimony on “Non-Boundry” Schools and separate classifications. Williams wants 2 separate classifications, 1 Public-(6 classifications), 1 Private-(3 Classifications). The Catholic League brought in their lawyer and stated that it’s unconstitutional due to the 1972 statute. Separate classifications won’t happen. Recruiting, donors, scholarships were brought up but Williams had little proof and gave only 1 recruiting example without naming anyone/school. Transfers are again being looked at by the PIAA, it looks like mid season transfers, ie Parsons to Harrisburg, will probably be abolished or only under special circumstances. Fairness in classifications is being looked at, same schools winning every year has to change. The Indiana rule was brought up several times-a team’s record in season, playoffs will be looked at. If a team wins a championship, they automatically move up in class, some State reps liked it, others didn’t. Charters didn’t fare so well, one State Rep asked why the State is even paying for sports for these schools as they have to pay for the athletic programs at a Public and Charter school for the same kids. One remedy was to have the athletes play sports at the local public school where they live. 77% of the athletes attending Catholic school are from Catholic elementary schools and played CYO ball. The numbers are trending up for Privates/Charters regarding State Championships, in the past it was predominately the Public Schools winning, CB West, Berwick, S. Columbia etc. Population loss in many areas are causing rural Pubs to lose athletes, many small schools have problems even fielding teams, many co-opps are popping up. One big fact that was brought up is that a Public school athlete can attend another Public school if they pay tuition, which negated the complaint about the Catholic/Charter school boundry rules. In addition, it was brought up that every Pub athlete is on scholarship since they don’t pay tuition while a private school athlete pays property tax and tuition. Athlete Move in’s to Pubs/Privates was also brought up but tough to police and the Piaa doesn’t have the manpower to investigate unless a complaint is lodged. One big note was the PIAA stated that HS Principals are not doing enough to sign off on transfers for athletic reasons. Rep Maloney from berks/Mont blasted the process stating kids should be allowed to transfer wherever they want without penalty……Maloney’s nephew wrestles for BECA. I believe the PIAA will tweak some things but nothing major.

  926. David Mika says:

    FridayNightLights….You are correct. But LaSalle is the home team per AD. But its at Crawford Stadium

  927. FridayNightLights says:


    NP has a new website and they posted the schedule. They have it as 8/25 vs. LaSalle 7pm @ Crawford Stadium.

  928. McD 65 says:

    Harrisburg should be one of the top rated teams in the state this year with a good number of D-1 athletes on their squad. Their passing game will be a huge strength and with Parsons at RB they will be monsters. Bishop McDevitt /Harrisburg may be a good early test to validate or not ,the quality of team they will put out this year.

  929. Neutral Observer says:

    Chris Bleich (OT, Wyoming Valley West) committed to UCLA. Decommitted from Penn State in April.


  930. McD 65 says:

    Tom F, on paper Harrisburg would be the hands down favorite in 5 A, but as Phillyboy says Wood is the pick for me in a much closer game . I don’t believe Wood will hold Hsbg. under 28 points so I expect a shootout. LaSalle /North Penn at the beginning of the year should give us some direction as to the 6 A rep.Of course you never know if there is a sleeper lurking. Cant wait !!!

  931. phillyboy says:

    @ Tom F

    Lol — Nice try with the reverse psychology. You know darn right well that until proven otherwise Prep or LaSalle and Wood are the favorites in 6A and 5A statewide.

  932. Tom F says:

    Could the privates be shut out this year regarding the PIAA football Championships? Except for 4A and 1A I don’t see the private schools having any favorites.

    6A Could be a N.Penn/Pine Richland final this year

    5A hburgh looks to have enough to overcome Wood this year

    4A TEP/ECP doesn’t look like anything changes here

    3A Beaver Falls/Middletown/Central has a good team returning

    2A Southern Columbia probably wont be challenged

    1A Bishop Guilfoyle/??? BG has the numbers and size to repeat, its time they move up in class

  933. McD 65 says:

    Kmac, Yes I would like to meet you at the Wood Paramus Catholic game .We can firm up as the date approaches. I have just about given up on going to McDevitt games . They just keep losing Good potential players that are local to the school ,but are choosing to attend either Wood Imhotep or Roman. This has been a trend for the last 7 years or so and the one chance for a comeback was if they were to have had Drew Gordan take over as head coach. Anyway, look forward to watching several D-1 players on both sides at the game . See you there.

  934. Buddy says:

    So it begs to question: Why didn’t PCN cover the baseball championships?

    It shouldn’t be finances. They have pledge drives 24 hours a day anymore.

    Maybe the 6 classes drove them from covering these games. Hope not.

  935. Mike A. says:

    McD65…I watched the Big 33 game on a Harrisburg Channel 21 digital channel.

  936. Mike A. says:

    Penn State 7-on-7 camp: Harrisburg wins

  937. Mike A. says:

    Another D1 player transfers to Harrisburg.

  938. Kmac says:

    McD 65

    We have spoken in the past on various opportunities to meet at games. I see three on my early season schedule for 2017 that may serve the purpose. Sat 9/2 Paramus Catholic at Wood at tennent. Sat 9/16 O’Hara at McDevitt at Bensalem. And Sat 10/7 McDevitt at Conwell-Egan at Truman. All are 7:00 PM night games, and if all goes well, I hope to get to.

  939. McD 65 says:

    Surprised that PCN did not have the baseball state championships on this year. They stopped the big 33 ,now this . I’m guessing the football championships are next. Very disappointing.

  940. Kevin X says:

    Anybody know if Saturday’s Big 33 game will be televised or live streamed??

  941. D12FAN says:

    C Jacoby

    Very happy your son has found the right fit at Father Judge. I look forward to watching him play. I believe most, not all, families follow the same process, trying to identify the best fit for their children academically, athletically and socially. There have been plenty of very good students and athletes that have had opportunities to attend IA, PCL (Private Ind. or Archdiocese) and strong public schools. Many have been coveted and contacted by all these schools within the PIAA rules and ultimately have found the right fit for them whether at a private or public school. The funniest thing to me about all this talk from contemporary parents is that it is something new. Just because it is new to them. Lasalle has been playing football over 100 years, where did all those players come from over the years? Or the great Bedesem teams of the 60’s at Egan, and the list could go on….The bottom line to me is, that as football unfortunately declines at the youth and HS level across the country, we are very fortunate in SE-PA to have passionate, quality coaches/programs (both public and private), and a lot of players, both great talents and great role players, because football needs both to be successful. Looking forward to another great season……

  942. Michael Smoll says:

    To Tom F.

    Please read C Jacoby’s response. Also although I said it’s my interpretation of the PIAA rules, I feel pretty good about my interpretation after reading the rules several times, perhaps, just perhaps you need to re-read those rules.

  943. C Jacoby says:

    @Michael Smoll They already did, or I wouldn’t openly comment on a forum about it. But it almost cost him his freshman yr playing ball which was pretty devastating to him. Luckily the piaa & archdiocese gave out warnings or so I was told, it started as an anonymous complaint from one of the hs. Then became a he said she said thing. A word to the wise, if your a parent make sure you yourself download & familiarize yourself with the rules & regulations because at the end of the day, through no fault of your own you could end up opening alot of doors you don’t want to. Take advice & input from coaches etc. But make sure your in the clear regardless. It was pretty scary not knowing how things would go for a while, and trust me the headache & stuff involved was something else.

  944. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    No big deal. We’ll find out soon enough.

    Their 1st five games are listed away. Lot of traveling. Nice to have the 1st one at home.

  945. TomF says:

    Mike Smoll, your interpretation of the rules for recruiting are incorrect, if a student attends a Catholic elementary school, and Jacoby did, any regional catholic high school can contact him. In addition,a Mcguire Scholarship winner is entitles to $$$ to attend those fantastic schools. The Piaa should be looking into where all of these NP transfers are living. if I am a taxpayer in the N.Penn SD, I’m pissed, all of these transfers are costing the taxpayers 16K per student. And their AD had the stones to punish Ryan Vulakh for transferring out of NP, what a joke!

  946. Michael Smoll says:

    Two comments, First don’t worry about North Penn, they may experience some bumps early, but by the end of the season they will be a Juggernaut, it’s just how they roll. All their kids get better playing those tough games early.

    Secondly as I interpret the PIAA rules against recruiting C Jacoby mentioned, several that are clearly being broken by some of the schools mentioned. His written admission of the recruiting of his son should be enough for the PIAA and the State to investigate.

  947. FridayNightLights says:


    I can’t confirm I am just offering speculation as to what could be the reason for the confusion. I am just pretty sure at least once in the past North Penn has opened the season with an “Away” game against LaSalle at Crawford Stadium. Also, a quick MaxPreps search shows PW as having a home game on the 25th. Would make sense. Either way we are already starting to close in on another exciting season and me thinks North Penn might be pretty good again!

  948. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    So you’re confirming the LaSalle game is at North Penn?

  949. C Jacoby says:

    Here’s my experience as a dad with a highly recruited athlete in PA. My son’s entering his sophomore year this yr, last yr I had every major high school coach all over him. Did the shadow day thing. For the Parrish fee, he could of went to Germantown Academy. Same for St Joe’s Prep. LaSalle, Roman Catholic, Wood, Chestnut Hill Academy etc. Even 3 Jersey teams. He’s 6’4 1/2, 275.Plays LT/DT. Played in the city all star games, even won this Under Armour camp which puts you on some watch list. As a parent,I did things differently. No offense, but I didn’t jump when prep lasalle or wood called everyday. He did his visits, & I told him you make your decision based on what you feel is right for you. Accolades are all people are after. He needed to be around good kids & consider the impact his decision would have on his family. Because at the end of the day, if your meant to play D1 football at the next level you’ll get there. Now will it be easy, no. But everyone just wants to say “my kid played on this team or won that”. He won the Maguire scholarship too so he’s not a big meat head lol. I worked real hard with him. PA needs to adjust some things to keep it interesting now what that is idk. But as a parent, I seen the fellow recruits mostly from parents just pick 1 of the big 3 in philly. There will always be a clear difference in public/catholic League competition but the recruitment process should be explained better to parents or coaches. At least give some schools a shot at getting a great kid. Also the transfers do need something done imo. He stayed home with his neibourhood school & enjoyed being the underdog. The school is Father Judge believe it or not. To me, it’s an experience. I know what doors can be opened attending what schools, & I didn’t want him dealing with all the politics. Get a good education, play ball, and see what happens. So yes, there are some kids / parents out there that prioritize things differently. Will he win a championship, hard to say I hope but will be tough. But he’s happier than he’s ever been. Has good grades, and enjoys being the “top dog” at his school where most his friends/former players attend. I honestly can say that I never want to go through that process again because it was an everyday thing. Most kids would be happy riding the bench but getting a ring at a prestigious school but not my kid. I want him to keep working hard & just do what he’s gotta do. People thought I was nuts not just sending him to 1 of them, but I know of he’s in a good place he’ll excell better. Just my opinion!

  950. FridayNightLights says:

    Buddy and Kevin

    I believe in the past NP and LaSalle have played a “home” game for LaSalle at Crawford Stadium. The NP fans still sat on the home side and NP bench was on the home side but LaSalle wore their home uniforms while NP wore their away uniforms. My guess is it’s at Crawford but LaSalle is the home team.

  951. King Cobra says:

    @bob Hines

    LaSalle will be very good, better then last year. They return i believe 19 or so starters, they really only lose LaMorte who will be replaced by Isaiah Jones who missed the whole season last year and they lose RB Madden who was the Horse, he will be the biggest person to fill. The entire OLINE is returning including Garrett Zobel 6’4 280. At WR they return Troy Holland, Brett Malle, TE Liam Trainer 6’3 240, FB Joey Burnham who was a big party of the O last year catching 6-7 TDs in the Flat. At RB it seems to be by committee, Manny Quiles who had a very good soph season when he wasn’t injured will be a big player for them, possibly Octavious Carter will get some carries, my opinion could be there only question mark. On Defense they return a lot, with LB 6’2 215 MLB Austin Lemke back as the man in the middle, Jones back at Safety, Wroten, Daly, Whitehead, Hirschman, Maloney, Zobel, Forsyth, Caponi, Kutznetsov & Qulies, Smith all played big parts on D and were young last season i think the Defense this year is better, also watch for Dillon Trainer a Soph LB who will play a lot hes 6’1 210. Overall if Jones is healthy he could take them to Hershey….That’s a IF, because it still goes through Prep. Should be a fun season

  952. Buddy says:

    @ kevin

    Your right. I know that LS played at NP last year. So it should be NP at LS ( PW field ) this year. They must have moved the game to NP.

    @ MIKA

    Can you verify the above and change your schedule here if need be.

  953. Kevin X says:

    Answered my own question, LaSalle is playing @ North Penn Fri. 8/25 per the LaSalle web site…..

  954. Kevin X says:

    Ok guys, I’m a little confused about the site/location of the North Penn/LaSalle game. Per the schedules found on this web site, both D-Town East is @ Plymouth-Whitemarsh and NP is @ LaSalle @ P-W that first game of the year on Friday August 25th. Can’t have two games the same night at P-W, right? (would be a cool double header tho). Maybe NP @ LaSalle @ P-W Saturday the 26th, or is it @ NP on the 25th??

  955. Buddy says:

    It’s North Penn AT LaSalle. PW field. This site has KO at 7:30.

    LaSalle RB Sy Madden I believe has graduated. Gained 200 yds against NP last year. Unstoppable.

    LaSalle doesn’t rebuild, they reload.

    1st game of the year, NP at LS. This game will tell a lot for both teams.

  956. Bob Hines says:

    PCL schedule has been released. Here’s a few games of note:

    8/25: Wood at Oxbridge Academy (FL) 8pm ESPN
    8/25: LaSalle at North Penn 7pm
    9/1: SJ Prep at Tampa (FL) Jesuit 7pm ESPN
    9/2: Paramus Catholic (NJ) at Wood 7pm
    9/9: Wood at Bergen Catholic (NJ) 2:30
    9/9: St. Peter’s Prep (NJ) at SJ Prep 7pm
    9/9: Malvern Prep at LaSalle 7pm
    9/15: Wood at SJ Prep 7:30pm
    10/20: LaSalle at SJ Prep 7:30pm
    10/27: LaSalle at Wood 7pm

    Home fields are as follows: SJ Prep- Widener, Wood- William Tennent, LaSalle-Plymouth Whitemarsh.

    Wood has a monster schedule ahead of them. 3 games there vs Jersey powerhouses there let’s see how they handle it. SJP and Wood both have rebuilding to do. Not sure how LaSalle supposed to be this year. Anybody know?

  957. McD 65 says:

    Tom F , FYI, Wood does play with the big boys during the regular season in the large school PCL division. This year IMP, if Wood makes the finals again, they will have their hands full with Harrisburg who as many fans know are loaded. They have D-1 prospects at WR,DE/RB and a QB that I think will be a very good college prospect. Wood graduated their 2 All State RBs and their replacements are TBD. Cant wait for the year to begin.

  958. Tom F says:

    Kevin, the goal is to put teams where they would be competitive regardless of class, you see the same schools every single year in the Playoffs competing for a championship….Prep. Wood, TEP, ECP, S. Columbia etc, very few schools have a chance against these powerhouses. Does anyone think that TEP and ECP will not meet yet again for the 4A Championship? Or S. Columbia in the finals for the 10th time? TEP is 3A by enrollment but how many 3A teams average 280 lbs on the line and have several hs all-americans in the lineup? The other teams shouldn’t even show up in 4A in the playoffs, they will get mercy ruled by ECP and Tep again. 4a Public schools in Erie actually MOVED UP in class to avoid ECP in the playoffs. I would rather see Wood against Prep in 6A, having them yet run roughshod through 5A again on to win yet another championship makes no sense.

  959. Route 54 says:

    Who will win districts for A,AA,AAA in D4, D2,D11? Elaborate, discuss

  960. Route 54 says:

    Who is willing to take a crack at District winners? District 4, 2, 11. Any thoughts

  961. jj D2 says:


    Dunmore has a large junior class and after next year the enrollment will drop back down to 170 to 180. Dunmore’s population is starting to decrease and I dont think they will fair as well in the future, hopefully I’m wrong

  962. jj D2 says:

    @ jj

    When did I ever say Dunmore DID NOT have a winning postseason record?

    Dunmore’s schedule just does not prepare them for the postseason anymore. Why would you even want to play that schedule? Its embarrassing. Just my opinion…..maybe I am missing something.

    I dont know how else to take that statement

  963. Kevin X says:

    @ Tom F

    I could jump on board that moving up requirement. Some midwest state I believe ode that now. Indiana maybe?? Two minor point tho, Imhotep by enrollment standards is a 3A school that has voluntarily moved up to 4A. Still move them up to 5A?? What about ht elites of SJP and PCC, 6A schools that would, well, have to move up to play in a phantom 7A classification.

    @ Jacob, don’t see an issue there, Dunmore’s population is on the decline, they’ll probably be a somewhat slightly higher than mid pack (enrollment wise) 2A school by the time things shake out. Always tho volunteer to play up, get away from SoCol down the playoff road, but have to deal with Scr. Prep in D2.

  964. Jacob says:

    Lots of Talk about Dunmore playing in the 2A classification. That all could change for the 2018 season. They were at 199 and the cutoff was 200 for 2A enrollment with the last cycle. The LFC I think would make a change is they move up to the 3A classification.

  965. Billy Splain says:

    Update: From what I gathered, this is just an informal discussion about the current recruiting/boundary issues brought on by a couple people. The PIAA nor PSFCA is involved at this time though those involved have invited those groups to the discussion. So basically, not much is known at this point what the discussions will entail. The PSFCA is having a meeting next week to discuss. FYI, here is the bill that put the PCIAA into the Piaa picture in 1972: http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=1971&sessInd=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=2104&pn=3263

    TomF is on the right track. The PIAA is looking in to several avenues such as the success factor/moving teams up based on earned points. Also the % is again being looked at. Another idea they will look at is making the school building itself the boundary, not the entire district. Ex: in Philly, a player can move all over without consequence. Making the building itself the “boundary” brings in the transfer rules which basically don’t exist when a district covers 40 schools as opposed to say Harrisburg school district which basically has one HS.

  966. Phil says:


    I agree 100%. Also, it’s better for those kids competition-wise especially if you are going to play at the next level. Who really wants to play a half and beat someone by 50 every game. The kids want to prove themselves and those teams you mentioned (and those in basketball too) would welcome the stepped up competition.

    Pennsylvania is too large and has too many schools to not have 6 classes in football (and basketball). I wish people would quit saying it’s watered down. It’s not. You went from .7% of total teams in football winning championships to 1%, a whole .3% increase. (It’s even more miniscule in basketball.) Tell that to Beaver Falls or Steel Valley in football, because with 4 classes, only one would have won a state championship, and both were quality teams. How about Middletown? Never would have made it with 4 classes and look at the enthusiasm the student body and school district had. Ditto for basketball.

    No, we are where we should be. We just need to somehow cut down on transfers and we need to incorporate the success factor to make a fairer playing field.

  967. Kevin X says:

    @ Matt

    Guess I’ll disagree with you and many others who are not in favor of the 6 classifications. I think its one of the better moves by the PIAA, long over due, and also with basketball and other sports. As far as football goes, I do not think it waters down the championships one iota. What does is this moronic system of allowing every 4-6, 3-7, or worse team into the playoffs. I said this some time ago, scrap the district playoff system, figure out the best 32 teams across the state in each classification, bracket and seed them in a common sense regional format (with attempting to avoid regular season re-matches in the first and second rounds, if feasibly possible), and let them go at it over the course of 5 weeks.

  968. TomF says:

    I’m all for the proposal for moving up a State champ 1 level for 2 years,let’s face it, Wood belongs in 6A, Tep 5A, Bishop Guilfoyle also should have been in a higher classification. Southern Columbia has won more football championships than any private school has in Pa. Hoops the same thing, the Philly schools dominate hoops due to transfers and having a mega pool to draw from. Neumann Goretti, a 3A school probably would have won at 6A I am not against kids transferring schools, but the PIAA should put schools where they belong to make the field more competitive.

  969. Coal Region FB says:

    Still going with the recruiting I see. I find it hard to believe separation between catholic and private schools will ever happen. Sounds like discrimination if you ask me. Everyone wants a trophy, wants to be a winner. What’s worse is that this makes the cry baby bigger. If that’s the case, then create a different league and playoff system for the successful teams year in and year out,  example SCA. Don’t believe everything here that certain people post. They’re just stirring the pot because most likely, they don’t like winning programs or their teams are getting beat.

  970. mark d says:

    @kevin x yes the Lack conference is set up to match same size schools for playoff points.Playing down does you no good.No team want to go down 2 and 3 classifications on their schedule.As you said Dunmore is kind of stuck playing the AA and A schools

  971. Kevin X says:

    @ Pastor Z

    What is their (coaches) frustration with the classification??

  972. Matt says:


    I understand the issues presented about private school transferring and such. I am not going to stand on a soap box one or another. Seperating champiosnhips is the WRONG thing to do. I am speaking from football perspective. The last thing we need to do in PA is water down our championships which we did by going to 6 classes. If you seperate the private schools now, it will become complete anarchy with regard to recruiting. We are basing a state decision on 2 districts in Pennsylvania 12 and 1. I agree there is a transfer issue. Not saying this is the perfect solution but I have a little more practical solution then seperating.
    1. Go Back to 4 classifications
    2. Private schools 3A and higher must play 4A
    3. Private schools 2A and higher must play 3A
    4. Charter schools – students must play for there home district school.
    5. Boundaries on Private schools.
    example: ACC can only have have student athletes participate from Lehigh County. If you want the catholic education from say Berks that fine but if you are not from Lehigh County you must play for your home district.
    Wood – Bucks; BECA – Northamton etc

    – Yes Catholic schools would still have a broad area to pull kids from but there would at least be a boundary.

  973. Rick D says:

    @ mark d

    Sure it makes sense. Bonus points! If a team like VV can beat Dunmore then they get all those bonus points for games Dunmore wins. For example….if they played Dunmore instead of Del Val. They aren’t going to beat Del Val. Better chance of beating Dunmore. They get less points for beating a AA school but with the bonus points it probably evens out.

    If you a AAA or AAAA school scheduling a smaller school that wins 7,8 or 9 games every year……it makes perfect sense. Certainly VV, Prep, WS, NP, etc shouldnt schedule the bad small schools in the Lack League. But Dunmore is a different story. Dunmore is a dominant program and should be playing a better schedule. I think there are benefits if its done the right way. Again, only my opinion.

  974. Rick D says:

    @ jj

    When did I ever say Dunmore DID NOT have a winning postseason record? They are clearly one of the top programs in D2.

    You actually reinforce my point by showing me how successful they have been against larger schools. Although I would not read too much into going 17-0 against Lehman, WW and Honesdale.

    I am simply saying they would be better off playing a more difficult schedule. Why waste time with Holy Cross, Montrose, Susq, etc, etc.

    And jj….no reason for a sarcastic tone my man. Just our opinions being tossed around here.

  975. PastorZack says:

    @Billy after talking to coaches in the area, many are frustrated at the PIAA, especially in D1 about the classification/recruiting issues. This is VERY welcome news, in my opinion.

  976. Billy Splain says:

    Didn’t see this so: PA Athletic Oversight Committee to hold public hearing on separate championships/classification of high school sports June 20. Not sure what this will entail. This is apparently a preliminary fact finding hearing brought on by a legislator urged on by former Manheim Central coach Mike Williams. The PIAA wasn’t involved initially. They are having a meeting tomorrow to discuss and will be involved in the hearing. I will know more Friday morning.

  977. McD 65 says:

    It is obvious a certain person here has a real dislike for the PCL and several Western Pa. Catholic schools. Many of his comments are so ridiculous and exaggerated that they are laughable. Those who don’t know facts about the PCL should pass on the subject.

  978. Kevin X says:

    @ Rick D

    It is because Dunmore is stuck(?) in a LFC 3 Division with 10 teams. These teams, I’m assuming, need/are required to play each other, so thats 9 division games (against fairly weak A and AA opponents), which leaves you one non division game to schedule. LFC 1 and LFC 2 only have 4 and 6 teams respectively, which gives them the ability (and requirement) to schedule more out of division/conference games. I made a suggestion in a post back on May 23rd to do some tweaking and realigning of the LFC to even up the divisions, part of which would of been moving Dunmore and Lakeland up to LFC 2, which would give Dunmore more wiggle room to schedule better opponents, and have better division opponents. Just thought I tossed out there. Not sure of the rationalization of how the LFC is set up now, guess straight enrollment numbers.

  979. jj d2 says:

    @rick d

    You are missing something, Dunmore has a winning postseason record. In the last 9 yrs. dunmore’s record against bigger schools
    W L
    west scranton 9 1
    Western Wayne 9 0
    Vally View 1 0 North Pocono 3 1
    Honesdale 6 0 Lake lehman 2 0
    Scranton Prep 3 2
    total 33 4

    Smaller schools
    W L
    Riverside 7 4
    Old Forge 5 3
    total 12 7

    so much for you theory huh

  980. mark d says:

    @Rick d why would VV,NP, West and Prep play down their no up side for them ? Valley View alreasy has 3 schools below AAAA what would they do take a 5 or 6 a team off the schedule to play a AA make no sence for those schools

  981. Rick D says:

    @ mark d

    I obviously don’t mean for this season. I mean for the next schedule cycle. I would like to see them play up with the 3A’s and 4A’s like VV, NP, West Scr and Prep. Throw in Honesdale and WWayne and thats 6 games right there. Maybe keep Lakeland and Riverside or Old Forge. Crossover with a team or 2 from the WVC. Seems pretty simple to me. Honesdale and WWayne play in the same league as 3A and 4A schools but do not play up against the 5A and 6A schools. If they can get away with it, why can’t Dunmore? Dunmore’s schedule just does not prepare them for the postseason anymore. Why would you even want to play that schedule? Its embarrassing. Just my opinion…..maybe I am missing something.

  982. Bob Hines says:

    Buddy, nice try, but I went to Frankford. Kept my family in the neighborhood. By the time my kids were ready for high school Frankford students were going through medal detectors and the school was violent and dangerous. So my kids “transferred” to North Catholic which is now closed. Would have loved to send them to SJP LaSalle Penn Charter or Chestnut Hill. Wasn’t in the cards. When LaSalle was absolutely pounding my boy at North Catholic I didn’t complain. Knew why that school drew the great players. Pretty simple understanding of life that I learned growing up where I did. Seemed to escape you…

  983. mark d says:

    @Neutral the only other teams were Del Valley strong line and lot of skill kids little young with the skill kid but a lot of experience up front.West Scranton talking about a lot of speed but didn’t know what they had as far as a line.

  984. mark d says:

    @Rick d as far as Dunmore playing up who are they going play most of the 4 5 and 6 teams in the conference all ready have a small school on the schedule and their no advantage for them to play down so where does Dunmore find teams to play

  985. Neutral Observer says:

    @ mark d
    I agree with you that Valley View is going to be a team to watch in 4A for D2. North Pocono lost one heck of a senior class. Berwick lost a bunch too. We’ll find out a lot about Valley View in Week 2 when they host Delaware Valley. Any news from those coaches on any other D2 teams?

    @ J B Anthony
    I’m a week late from your 5/22 comment, but who is Scranton Prep returning from last year’s team? I thought they had/lost a massive senior class. They’ve had some great linemen recently; who is next man up?

  986. Buddy says:

    As much as I think Hines is pompous, afraid he’s right with the private schools ( especially Inter-ac).

    They should be considering the tuition costs.

    Of course some parents outside ” the world of Hines’ simply can’t afford those schools.

  987. Bob Hines says:

    Phillyboy, you’re totally wrong. You’re trying to say the education you can receive at Father Judge is equivalent to SJP or LaSalle? Not even close. Then, moreover, trying to pass off public education is greater to equal to those two private schools or the 6 in the Inter-Ac? Not a chance. Also Catholic high school students aren’t “transfers” because they don’t attend their local public high schools. With so many options nowadays parents try to choose what’s best for their kid, simple as that.

  988. mark d says:

    DON’t SHOOT THE MESSENGER ! Was at a fund raiser and a few coaches from the area Lackawanna conference, were saying the team to beat in at least AAAA is Valley View. They return their Qb and have the D2 100 meter champ at tail back pulse some real size up front.I know thay lost a lot of speed from last year but was told it all been replaced time will tell!

  989. WVW Fan says:

    @Dylan…Mikovitch D1? Zach Davies has led that team in tackles as a sophomore and junior. You may be confusing players.

  990. Buddy says:

    I’m really not sure that you can just pay tuition and go to another public school out of your district.

    I know quite a few years ago a girl in Methacton (sp) wasn’t allowed to go to NP, tuition or no. Might have changed.

    Why would a parent set up housing ( say an apt.) in another district, satisfying the residency rule, so his kid could go there? Wouldn’t the apt cost more then tuition?

  991. Dylan says:

    WVW with 3 LBs as running backs, they will have to use Tyson in the backfield to conserve energy

  992. Rick D says:

    @ Ray

    Do not worry about WVW scoring points. Their OC is the best in the area. They will score plenty of points.

    The Tyson (spelling?) kid is a returning 2-way starter. Plus 3 RBs are back that played mostly FB but will now carry the ball probably “by committee”. So they certainly did not lose all their skill kids.

    Defensively WVW has a chance to be very very good.

    They have to fix some focus & penalty problems on both sides of the ball…..no doubt about that.

    Just please don’t make any Parkland or Wood comments this season. Just let the kids play.

  993. McD 65 says:

    Kevin X, Catholic schools used to have Parish boundaries ,but they no longer do. My understanding for all Public schools in the state is that a student can attend any school they want ,but they would have to pay a tuition , so if that’s true, there is little difference from what the Catholic schools do. I also believe the student would have to provide their own transportation. If I’m off base I apologize and would like to know what the deal is.

  994. phillyboy says:

    Exactly Buddy. I totally understood what you meant in regards to transfers to the big time Catholic schools — even if a Catholic school doesn’t have a lot of transfers by the letter of the law (of which I’m dubious), without a doubt just about their entire roster is comprised of “transfers” based on the spirit of the law. How many kids from SJP do you think live, say, within a two mile radius of 18th and Girard? Even if they say it’s in order to receive a Catholic education (eye roll)* there are several big Catholic high schools around the city and suburbs: Bonner, O’hara, Carroll, Father Judge, Ryan, Roman, even Camden Catholic and St. Augustiine — for those Jersey boys.

    *IMO, in comparison with quality suburbs think the advantages of the elite private schools are overrated. The privates may give a little more personal attention which is nice but in richer areas the public schools bring it. Schools like Lower Merion, Conestoga, Radnor, Strath Haven, Sprigfield (Delco), Central Bucks (E,W, and S) could go toe to toe with any of those private Catholic schools that charge thousands of dollars in tuition.

  995. Dylan says:

    Ray, I think Sean Mikovitch will go D1 at linebacker, he’s good!

  996. Kevin X says:

    *recoup , sorry

    Guessing you are eluding to the Philadelphia Pub League part of D12??? Thinking the PCL is holding their own or even doing fairly well.

  997. Kevin X says:

    @ Ted E. “PIAA coup the money they lost allowing d12 in the playoffs” Huh??

    @ Buddy (or anyone in the know) don’t the diocesan catholic schools, including high schools, have parish boundaries?? Granted, they are larger then public school boundaries, but boundaries nonetheless. I get SJP, LaSalle, Malvern Prep, etc., the private and private catholic schools can have kids from anywhere if they want.

  998. Buddy says:

    Missed the point.

    Catholic schools have no district boundaries. Say if a kid lives in Souderton, but decides to go to Lansdale Catholic, no one calls that a transfer.

    But if it’s Souderton to NP, then it’s a transfer. Difference between boundaries & no boundaries.

  999. Ted E. says:

    I just can’t wait for the season to begin. It seems like the perennial public school powers need to bring in some transfers to make the playoffs a little more competitive. Rarely does a school have so many big offensive and defensive lineman to compete with Joe’s/PCC.
    I know this looks like complaining but I yearn for the days of D11-D-3 playing tough fun games. Winner met with D1 and usually went down. But the games were hyped and had big crowds. Now they needed to add classifications to help the PIAA recoup the money they lost allowing d12 in the playoffs.

  1000. McD 65 says:

    District 1, That transfer from McDevitt may surprise some people. He had a very good sophomore year , but a terrible Junior year due to the QB couldn’t throw the ball very well. I wish him and NP the best this year until they play a PCL team. Beck is a great coach.

  1001. TomF says:

    Buddy, most of the time when kids transfer from Public to Private:

    A-They are getting a better education at the Private Institution and

    B-They are saving the Pa taxpayers 16k per year

    With the astronomical property tax many of us are paying for the Public schools and teacher unions, they can all transfer to a private school for all I care.

  1002. FridayNightLights says:

    Bob Hines

    Nobody is saying he is or will. He lives in the Lansdale area and played middle school ball in the NP district. One poster just pointed out that he thought it would be neat if he came back for his senior year, especially since NP is looking for a new QB. Obviously this is a pipe dream but we can dream right?

  1003. Ray says:

    WVW loses skill players but they do have 6 starters returning on offence and 7 on defense,so that’s not too bad defence will be good scoring points I think will be the problem which that was never the case for valley West the past 5 years

  1004. McD 65 says:

    Buddy,just be happy that NP did well with transfers and leave it at that. Your ridiculous statement about the PCL only dilutes your credibility. Yes they have transfers and recruit,but not near what you put out there for some reason. Tell me the players that have transferred this year in the PCL. McDevitt lost a receiver to NP, but for sure there aren’t players lined up to transfer tp them .I’m referring to District 12 McD.

  1005. Bob Hines says:

    No, no they aren’t. Tell me the last time a Catholic League team brought in five players before the season?!?!? You’re telling me Judge, Carroll and Conwell-Egan get transfers?

  1006. Greyhound for life says:

    Nice match up on September 28th (Thursday). River Dell (NJ) a historically strong public school travels to Shippensburg to play the Greyhounds at 6 pm.

  1007. Ray says:

    WVW has Rob Dwyer at qb 6’3 is a senior but no experience,and at rb Sean Mickovitch played last year and Zack Davies and Quid Brady at fb all had a couple hundred yards last year but out skill guys are gone but all of our line and 7 starters on Defense return

  1008. Buddy says:

    PCL recruits and lobbies for transfer all the time. Their entire team are transfers ( recruits)!

    Yet my head didn’t explode!

    If McCray’s parents have the $, sure he’ll stay at Prep! But for people with not so deep pockets, NP is not a bad choice.

  1009. Bob Hines says:

    Why in his right mind would Marquez McCray leave the Prep for North Penn? What am I missing?

  1010. Bob Hines says:

    Could you imagine if a Catholic League school had FIVE transfers coming in? Buddy’s head would explode. Team he roots for: oh boy, now we’ll be good!

  1011. Dylan says:

    D2 guys who will take over Austin and Judges spot for Valley West? Big shoes to fill

  1012. phillyboy says:

    Dude, I am totally stoked about North Penn ….are you kidding ME? Yeah, RIGHT! Somehow the gears are turning in a positive way and boy is it about time. I’m glad to see that these parents are savvy enough to do what’s necessary so that their kids play at the premier public program in SE Pa., they get it. All you have to do is rent an apartment there, live in an upper middle class area and pay NO tuition for a classic suburban high school experience, not a bad deal. Takes a little gumption but totally doable.

    If this becomes a new trend, that’s not only good for elite public programs but the PIAA as well. The playoffs become much more intriguing. That 6A eastern final last December at Northeast High was awesome, scintillating, sensational.

  1013. District1 says:

    NP has 5 transfers enrolled in school already I am including Cartwright. They have 2 more that will enroll after the year ends that are significant I won’t reveal their names until it’s official.

  1014. Tom F says:

    The North Penn recruiting machine is in full force! Tough to root for North Penn when their Athletic Director fought Ryan Vulakh’s transfer to Pope John Paul for wrestling.

  1015. District1 says:

    @FridayNightLights They have a Kid from Norristown that can throw the ball that transferred over. I think Beck can turn him into at least 1/2 or 3/4 of Udinsky. But you will probably also see a package for Henley as a dual threat he can throw the rock too. He was a QB but was moved to receiver cause of Udinski and that worked out well for him. The kid from Mcdevit is not in their plans right now if ever. They have a kid that transferred in from Ryan that is pretty damn good to go along with an already great crop with Haynes, Henley and Thomas. The featured RB will be Jamil Kahn transfer from
    PW who put up great #s. Him in this offense along with the change of pace backs of Gorski and Cartwright the speed of this kid is ridiculous in the open field. My inside connects tell me the coaching staff think they will be a better team than they was last year and that’s scary.

  1016. FridayNightLights says:


    Who will be throwing the ball? I agree that Cartwright, Gorski, and Andrews should give them a very nice run game. Also, Henley, Haynes, Thomas, and the transfer from McDevitt (no not Harrisburg) should give them a very nice receiving corps. I have maintained since the end of last season that if they can find a viable QB they will be a big threat again. Who are the other transfers or what positions do they play?

  1017. Kevin X says:

    Maybe its time for a little tweaking of the LFC. Move West Scranton and North Pocono (the 2 largest AAAA schools) up to the LFC 1, move Dunmore and Lakeland (the two most consistently competitive AA schools) up to LFC 2. This also adds more balance with the number of teams in each division (LFC 1-6, LFC 2-6, and LFC 3-8). That would also enable LFC 3 teams to schedule 3 non conference games to start the season instead of one.

  1018. Buddy says:


    So they got a good QB coming up?

    Hope so. They would be good then.

  1019. McD 65 says:

    District 1, Could you let us know where the transfers at NP came from? That amount of transfers are more than Imhotep had a few years ago.

  1020. jj D2 says:

    @Rick D

    Dunmore has to play its 9 divisional teams, they have no choice. They only have one game a year to play outside the division (league). they have been playing West Scranton for at least 50 yrs. They are big on this tradition.

  1021. dan says:

    What about southern columbia’s quaterback?

  1022. Rick D says:

    @ jj D2

    I understand how scheduling works. But why not choose to play up? It does Dunmore absolutely no good to play Holy Cross, Montrose, Carbondale, Susquehanna and Mid Valley every year. Even if they lose a couple games, its better for them.

    Look at Scr Prep. They are only AAA but they play in a AAAA league.

  1023. Franklin says:

    I myself think Valley West will be good as well

  1024. phillyboy says:

    District1 ….dude, I hope you’re right about North Penn, fills me with some excitement man. I knew about the Haynes kid that came over from the Inter-Ac school last year and I noticed that two of their better receivers are returning along with a power back that looked impressive. Other than that, look forward to what NP brings to the table, I’m optimistic. What time is it? ….Knight time, BABY!

  1025. jj D2 says:


    Dunmore has to play its 9 conference members and that only leaves 1 game that could be scheduled. That team is West Scranton (AAAA).

  1026. District1 says:

    @Buddy NP has 5 Big transfers this year. They are loaded this year. I can tell you the running game will be terrific and the passing game won’t be a big drop off. The defense will be much better than last year.

  1027. J B Anthony says:

    Scranton Prep will be the pride of the Lack Conference AGAIN … dunmore had them scheduled for two years but didn’t score a point on them in two tries !
    They way the district plays out Prep will be D2 champ again ! And I think they will go deep in state playoffs
    Abington … lots lost to graduation
    Np …. lots lost to graduation
    VV … lots lost to graduation


  1028. Rick D says:

    @Franklin @mark d

    I am more of a WVC guy but DV has huge numbers and a couple really good football players returning. Dunmore will continue to be consistent. I just wish they would choose to play a tougher regular season schedule. I think they could be better prepared to advance further by playing a tougher schedule.

    As far as the WVC goes….it is bad. The small school WVC football has become awful. Who knows (and who cares) what teams might win 6 or 7 games. They all stink for the most part.

    Big school WVC is a little better but not much. Everyone seems to think Valley West will have a down year because they lose Judge but they return 14 or 15 starters. I think WVW will be very good. Williamsport has Potts back who can dominate any game. Berwick loses a ton of seniors but have their QB back. Coughlin has 3 very good players returning to their backfield. This could be the year Hazleton wins some games based on what they have returning.

    Can anyone more familiar with the Lack League respond with info on AH, NP, SP, Scranton and West Scranton??

  1029. sausmann9 says:

    @ mark d – Dunmore always tough but if people are saying this could be their best line ever and an athletic quarterback, damn they will be fun to watch. Love Dunmore Bucks football, epitome of PA football.

  1030. mark d says:

    @Franklin D2 it been real quiet i think the only 2 team that have anything is Delaware Valley and of course Dunmore. People are quietly saying this could be the best line Dunmore ever had. of course they have top replace a lot of skill players. qb will probably win the states in the javelin throw (AA) so you have a kid with a strong arm

  1031. D4 ball says:

    Very true Brian. Southern made leaps and bounds from where they started last year. And for people questioning southerns schedule they did play a very good mountousville team controlled that game and also played a very good selinsgrove team who was on a roll at that time. No matter who they played in the regular season they played pretty much lights out

  1032. Kevin X says:

    @ Pastor Z

    Thanks for the info. Hard to believe a HS school and school district the size of C’Ville, and with their athletics history don’t have an AD.

    Looks like Bensalem would be the perfect fit for that 9/8-9 open date week. It appears that they still have an open date that week too. Saw that CRN and Pennwood decided to hook up that weekend. With C’Ville already having 5 away games, might be even harder trying to get a home game that weekend. Still hoping for an Imhotep/C’Ville match-up 🙂

  1033. Brian says:

    Yes D-4 SCA was tied with Mt. Carmel at half last year. But you have to remember it was week 3 and the team was still pretty inexperienced with all the freshmen playing. Southern was also losing to Shamokin 14-13 at halftime in week 1 before taking over in the 2nd half. I think had both those games been played late regular season it wouldn’t have been close in the first half. But it’s high school football and anything can happen.

  1034. D4 ball says:

    Mount Carmel returns a very good line but loses their TE. interested to see them play Southern again was tied at halftime last year before southern took over.

  1035. PastorZack says:

    @Kevin X- No, Coatesville still has an open slot for week 2 since Council Rock North backed out. They have had numerous schools (Bensalem, Penn Wood, Glen Mills) say “No” to scheduling. Simon Gratz wanted to back out of their agreement this year as well. Heck, they even have all three open dates for next year. That most likely falls on the fact that they do not have an AD at the present time.

  1036. 2016KTM says:

    @ Mike from Mount Carmel. What does MCA have returning this season. My understanding is that MCA have quite a few returning.

  1037. McD 65 says:

    phillyboy, I followed Swift since his Freshman year and yes,he was a special player. Hope all goes well for him at Georgia. I was hoping for a PSU commitment ,but Oh well.

  1038. McD 65 says:

    D 12 FAN, Thanks for the info on Wood and St Joe Prep. You appear to know about D 12 and its schools and players. Don’t be a stranger here.

  1039. mike from Mount Carmel says:

    ktm, they faced a talented selinsgrove team in the regular. Plus Montoursville gave them a little trouble. Also the schuylkill haven game was sloppy on both sides. Tigers had alot of penalties.

  1040. Kevin X says:

    Hey guys, anybody know if Coatesville scheduled a game for the third week (guess officially that is week 2?), Sept. 8/9?

    Any idea when the District 12 schedules will be released/updated? I saw some PCL schedules on MaxPreps, but don’t know how accurate they are, I take some items from their website with a grain of salt.

    Wishful thinking I know, but would love to see Imhotep take a little ride out to western Chester County for Friday night tilt against C’Ville that open weekend.

  1041. 2016KTM says:

    Correction below, meant to say Schuylkill haven in playoffs..

  1042. 2016KTM says:

    In reference to D4 post below. Yes, SCA is loaded. No team will touch them in regular season. They will Mercy rule many of their regular season. SCA, great tradition , great coaching, probably the best in state. One thing though, their schedule is weak. There was only one team that gave them a good run and that was Schuylkill Haven. Yes, a Schuylkill league team. The other team was in playoffs. Dont remember the name. Last year season is long gone. Take away the costly turnovers, miscues by Schuylkill haven….upset.

  1043. Franklin says:

    How do you think district 2 will turn out?

  1044. phillyboy says:

    McD 65 ….that’s a good question, no idea who the feature back will be at Prep, but one thing I do know is that there will be a drop off. Are you kidding me, that Swift kid was arguably the best high school RB in the country last year. I watched his hudl highlights the other day for the first time; it was like 20 straight minutes of 50 yard TD runs. You never know how things will go but I’d be very surprised if we don’t see him in the NFL in a few years. If he gets into a good groove at Georgia could even see him vying for the Heisman. It’s going to be fun this fall on some Saturday afternoon coming back from the gym, grab a snack and watch my fellow Philly boy go to town.

  1045. D12FAN says:


    Prep used so Marques Mason and Fr Kolbe Burrell, both should compete in 17 and can be exciting, plus will be interesting if so LB Talley plays O this year…Wood has a few in addition to Peoples (Va Tech) who will should see significant more touches from RB and Slot. Add so’s Blackstone and Pendleton both powerful runners with speed and similar styled Jr Bauer, plus others to compete….Both have a lot to replace but should back fill with solid guys, no voids. I see fewer 80 yard break away’s thru traffic like swift, blackshear, waller and thompson. Prep has options and Wood should have another 1-2 punch with serious depth….Also, both will have state championship experienced QB’s returning with very scary targets in Simmons (prep) Va Tech and Pitts (Wood), many offers including Bama, to start with….Should be another fun season, with both playing florida teams and North jersey powerhouses…

  1046. D4 Fan says:

    @ mike from MC

    Nobody in District 4 can compete with them. And probably no team in the Eastern half of the state. Maybe in the State semis or finals they will meet up with someone that’ll give’em a game.

  1047. mike from Mount Carmel says:

    what do we think of southern columbia this year anyone going to compete with them?

  1048. McD 65 says:

    Can anyone provide information on who the Rbs will be for Archbishop Wood and St Joe Prep this year ? Those teo teams face a difficult beginning of the year schedules and they both lost very good RBs from last year. Thanks

  1049. FridayNightLights says:


    Marquez McCray is from the Lansdale area and playes middle school ball for Penndale in the NP district. Based on what I have heard about the kid I would say it’s highly unlikely he transfers back. Would be amazing if he did though.

  1050. phillyboy says:

    Yeah I think North Penn would have won the state title last year had they gotten by Saint Joe’s Prep. Pittsburgh Central Catholic was a powerful team despite their big loss to Prep. Best case scenario see them winning by 17 points if their offense was clicking. Oh well. Btw, speakiing of QBs overheard some folks at the North Penn/Prep game last year saying that Prep’s QB was or is from the North Penn catchment. If that’s true would be awesome if he transferred back to the home team for his senior year. That’s scenario is not unprecedented; a LaSalle kid a couple years ago transferred back to his home team, Upper Dublin.

  1051. FridayNightLights says:


    That would be a heckuva rematch. I also think there is a pretty good possibility of it too! Like I said, NP looks strong but needs to get that small little issue of a QB locked down. If they can do that they should be in good shape. Coatesville will scare a lot of people this year…very good team.

  1052. Buddy says:

    @ Pastor

    I’m saying C’ville will be the D1 favorite. Absolutely loaded. Only a team like LAST years NP could beat them. Don’t think NP has the team this year to match C’ville. Of course………I hope I’m wrong.

    @ Friday

    Agree, that was the best team since “03. Even though the ’11 team went to states.

  1053. PastorZack says:

    @Buddy– D1 playoffs will be interesting if North Penn has to travel to Coatesville for a rematch this year. If Coatesville beats Cumberland Valley in Mechanicsburg and Downingtown West in Downingtown, we may have ourselves a game with D1 on the line. So far, teams have been reluctant to schedule the Red Raiders for their open date. They have had multiple schools say “No, Thank you” for a game.

  1054. FridayNightLights says:


    That was a really fun team last year. Only St Joe’s could beat them. I would go so far as to say they might have been the best NP team I have seen since ’03. Was a great game in the East final last year. If they could find some semblance of a QB this year I expect them to be better than expected again. This is knowing some of the underclassmen in the program.

  1055. sausmann9 says:

    @Yotch – don’t count out Liberty. they bring back Ernie and a bunch of young talent, if they don’t lose anyone to Becahi or Freedom over the summer they will be good.

  1056. Buddy says:


    Yes, it was the backup junior I was thinking about.

    Other then that, I got nothing.

    That was a really good team last year. The only team in the state that could have beat them……………..did.

  1057. Yotch says:

    It appears that Emmaus & Parkland are the two best D11 AAAAAA teams next year. Emmaus returns pretty much their entire O outside of QB. They return a lot of their D too. Kicker was good and he’s gone too.
    Parkland returns key cogs and has a good feeder program with a large enrollment. It’ll be very interesting this year.

  1058. FridayNightLights says:


    They did have a Junior QB who was their backup but I believe there were two other kids, a sophomore and a freshman that were looking to potentially in the mix. I swear I also saw or heard somewhere that a QB from Norristown has been working out and playing 7v7 with the NP kids but I know nothing about him. You can’t just replace a Udinski unfortunately.

  1059. Buddy says:

    @ Friday

    I heard they have a kid, soph I believe, that was in the ranks last year. Can’t recall his name.
    Nothing like Udinski though. I’ll see if I can catch his name sometime.

  1060. FridayNightLights says:

    Does anybody have any intel on who North Penn’s starting QB is expected to be this year? I am a NP fan but haven’t heard too much other than potentially someone who played at Norristown last year. They have a very talented roster and similar to last year will return a lot more than people think.

  1061. Tyler says:

    Class of 2018 receiver Jason Najunas out of Shenandoah Valley reportedly garnering interest from multiple D2 schools.

  1062. dave says:

    Mr. Green its funny as soon as Soco put their starters back in, south managed to put 11 completely new players on the field so i pretty sure you had enough players. They were just trying to make a complete blow out look closer than it really was

  1063. Mike says:

    @ Larry The Redskins will start senior Mike Creszenzo at RB and it looks like sophomore Brody McAndrews will start at QB. I don’t think Abington has enough to finish at the top and it doesn’t look like Pennsbury has enough on their roster to compete. I think Bensalem could be competitive and finish towards the top.

  1064. agreen says:

    I agree. SCA has a great coaching staff

  1065. TomF says:

    I will say this about SCA, watched them play Berks Catholic 2 years ago and I only saw 2 other teams that were on par with their coaching staff-Cb West under Mike Pettine and Berwick under George Curry. I can see why they won all of those State Championships and why families move to that SD to play football for Roth.

  1066. agreen says:

    As far as leaving starters in too long in a district championship game, I’m thinking roster size would have a lot to do with that. If i had to guess towards the end of a season most small schools have little to no position depth unless you sub in kids that aren’t ready for the varsity level.

  1067. agreen says:

    SCA4ever, I’m not taking jabs at SCA in particular especially about recruiting but explain to me why those rumors have been flying around for years and why are SCA fans so sensitive about that? If it’s not true then dont worry about the “haters”.

  1068. Kmac says:

    Mike Smoll

    Thank you, Mike. I forgot the Hatters were coming back somewhat under NP alum Kapusta and staff. Chung, also NP alum at P-W has also always been near the top. Stover approaching legend status at UD, and Banas doing a fine job at Q-town. I rarely get to see any of them.

  1069. Route54 says:


  1070. Mike Smoll says:

    Kmac, well I was looking forward to it, but…. I kept no notes from last year and couldn’t begin to do it either. From what I know/heard, I’ve got to believe PW will be the favorite, HH, Upper Dublin and Quakertown to follow in no particular order. Both Upper Dublin and Quakertown’s JV teams were very good last year, but it’s a big jump from JV to Varsity.

  1071. Billy Splain says:

    not til mid July

  1072. Route54 says:

    Speaking of only 3 months away, when are the team previews starting.

  1073. Dave says:

    What’s WVW(2) got going for them this year?

  1074. SCA4Ever says:

    Aaron Green. If you were merely stating that South and their coach are doing a great job then why the jab at SCA regarding Vo Tech and recruiting? You knew exactly what you were doing. Thank you for the locker room material. SCA hopes they play South next year. South ruffled some feathers by keeping starters in against second group during D4 game. Two late scores made the game look close.

  1075. Kmac says:

    Michael Smoll

    I do not feel I am familiar enough with the SOL American to give a proper “way too early”. My local newspaper does not cover that conference, and I see few games with teams in that conference. For instance, while I have seen pennsbury 207 times; Neshaminy 159; Council Rock (North) 139; I have seen Cheltenham, Wissahickon, Upper Dublin twice each, and Upper Moreland, but once; in 1953. Just from a distance it looks like the Quakertown-PW-Upper Dublin trio holds the conference strength.

  1076. Michael Smoll says:

    Looking forward to the SOL American “Way too Early”, Just knowing the conference as I do, it could be a real interesting year, Upper Dublin, lost a ton, Quakertown lost a lot.

  1077. D3fan says:

    What’s coming out of District 3 this year? I’m hearing that Fairfield have a decent squad returning with plenty of returning players. Any truth to this.

  1078. Michael Smoll says:

    Hey Kmac, loved the first two articles of “Way too early” is the American Conference coming soon?

  1079. Kmac says:

    Mike Smoll

    Thank you for your interest and comment regarding my way too early thinking on Sub One Continental. You may certainly be right-on with the Rams; Tarburton may well be conference MVP and that means a lot. The clock is ever ticking, soon Dave will be in his 100 players in 100 days; and before the summer heat dissapates we will have high school football again!

  1080. aaron green says:

    First of all I never mentioned SCA so obviously there must be others that have come to your assumptions. Not to mention why would I think they should be AAA? I don’t hate anyone and am not trying to start something. Seems like some of you are a little sensitive. My comments were about giving credit to South Williamsport and their coaching staff.

  1081. Fupesheks says:

    ????? ????????? naizmene.cc

  1082. SCA4Ever says:

    Aaron Green come on. Are u serious? Do some homework. SCA has 153 boys. SW has 157. The cutoff for AA/AAA is 200 boys. Do u really believe SCA sends 47 boys to Vo-Tech? Ridiculous theory. Next, recruiting. SCA has played in 15 state title games. Who in their right mind would not want to have their son play for that football team. No need to recruit.

  1083. Brian says:

    Lol. Love the idiotic little jab at sca with the hiding numbers at vo-tech and recruiting comment. Again another hater. There’s no hiding students at vo-tech. Any student who goes there plays sports there because vo-tech had their own sports program. The other silly thing is sca is AA and the amount of students attending vo-tech wouldn’t make them AAA. Kids do move in but it’s not recruiting. For most it’s relocating because they live in shamokin or mt.carmel and those areas are declining. For the others it’s called they want to go to a winning program that is successful year in and year out. its not recruiting it’s called parents relocating so their child has a better experience. All schools have that happen. It’s just people complain about southern because they’re so good every year.

  1084. D4 Fan says:

    South Williamsport is a solid team and they appear to do a lot with a small roster. But D4 AA belongs to Southern Columbia and everyone else is fighting to be the sacrificial lamb in the D4 title game.

    And it should be a good battle for second as Mt. Carmel returns everyone, Central Columbia returns a lot and might have the best young QB in the district, Bloomsburg made great strides last year and the Northern Tier entries, Wellsboro and North Penn have improved significantly over the past few years. Wish it were August!

  1085. billtown says:

    Aaron You are correct. Coach Eiswerth has done a great job. Did you know he commutes over 100 miles every day plus coaches? Unbelievable. Unfortunately they are in the same district and class as Southern and I just don t see them ever getting over that very large hump. I hear SCA is loaded again this year so I hope I am wrong but history tells me when SCA is not crying about lost stars they usually dominate. Should be a good game though!

  1086. aaron green says:

    I am biased in my opinion but anyone who lists top five 2A schools in the East and doesn’t include South Williamsport needs to realize what head coach Chris Eiswerth has built there. One of the smallest 2A schools in the state and it doesn’t have the luxury of hiding numbers in a Vo-tech school and can’t recruit. Seems like every year under Eiswerth they have a shot at making a run.

  1087. billtown says:

    D4 fan if number 1 is back you are correct he is a wrecking ball.

  1088. Tom F says:

    Albie Crosby could be returning to Coaching, an article in Sunday’s Philly Inquirer stated that he is a finalist for the Neumann Goretti job. That should be a no brainer for NG. Albie will turn NG into a power in a very short time.

  1089. Coalrgnftballfan says:

    Southern Columbia’s freshman receiver Julian Fleming has received an offer from Michigan. Invited for a visit to PSU. Rumor is West Virginia and Pitt will be making offers in the near future. He also averaged approx. 17 ppg this season in basketball.

  1090. PastorZack says:

    2017 Projected Ches-Mont standings

    National Division

    Coatesville 7-0
    Downingtown East 6-1
    WC Henderson 5-2
    Downingtown West 5-2
    Bishop Shanahan 4-3
    WC East 2-5
    Avon Grove 1-6

    American Division

    Unionville 5-1
    Great Valley 4-2
    WC Rustin 3-3
    Sun Valley 2-4
    Oxford 1-5
    Kennett 0-6

  1091. Kmac says:


    My “possible” 2017 standings for the Suburban One National and Continental Conferences.

    National – 1. Neshaminy 2. Abington 3. Council Rock South 4. Bensalem 5. Truman 6. Pennsbury 7. Council Rock North

    Continental – 1. North Penn 2. CB East 3. CB West 4. Pennridge 5. CB South 6. Tennent 7. Souderton

    For the logic for the choices see my articles on each conference under Extras – Archives – Kmac

  1092. Kmac says:


    For Kmac’s take on both Suburban One National and Continental see my “Way Too Early” articles – click on “extras’ top right, then “archives” and Kmac. They are my last two articles written.

  1093. Dave says:

    Lance, of the 2, I believe Montoursville takes the bigger graduation hit, losing 4 all-staters and a few other quality players. They do however, return almost all of their linemen and some other good players. It will be interesting to see how the new kids step up to the challenge.

  1094. Larry says:

    6A Suburban One predictions? Redskins receiving core looks stacked, but who will be the starting QB and RB for the Redskins? Does Abington have a chance at finishing at the top? Does Pennsbury improve enough to compete this year?

  1095. D4 Fan says:

    Danville will be the class of D4 AAA. They return just about everyone from the team that smoked Loyalsock and came up short against Montoursville in last year’s D4 playoffs.

  1096. Lance says:

    Interested to see how Good Loyalsock and Montoursville can be this season coming up in District 4-AAA. Both look to have a Nice Group of Players returning.

  1097. Gregory Wacik says:

    The newly formed FASST Lehigh Valley Elite 7 on 7 team made some noise this weekend in the Maryland Team Flex tournament. In their first ever tournament they nearly defeated the number one seed in the preliminary seeding round. Time expired with them driving at the 5 yard line down by a TD. Seeded 18 out of 40 for the tournament bracket, they followed up by defeating the number 2 seed team and made it to the quarter finals before losing. Turned some heads in the region and 7 on 7 circuit. The team has players from Bethlehem Catholic, Northampton, Easton, Stroudsburg, Phillipsburg and I believe some others. Some talented players in the EPC. They compete in the Spooky Nook competition next week.

  1098. sausmann9 says:

    Big 33 game moved from Hershey and now being played June 17 at Central Dauphin MS.

  1099. Neutral Observer says:

    There is an interesting conversation going on on the WesternPAFootball forum about new transfer rules that are being discussed.


    Billy Splain says:
    March 22nd, 2017 at 2:16 pm

    It’s actually a proposal being worked on right now. Instead of defining a transfer by school district, the transfer will be defined by the school building itself. So, if a player from Abraham Lincoln wanted to transfer to Overbrook, he would face the same scrutiny as a player from Abington school district transferring to North Penn school district. Or to use a recent case, a player from Bishop McDevitt who transfers to Harrisburg (both in Harrisburg). It’s designed to protect charters, catholic and public schools by encompassing all players and making it more difficult to just transfer. Right now, transfer rules only apply to changing school districts, which in the case of Philadelphia, there are many high schools in one district.

  1100. billtown says:

    Neutral observer.
    I wish I had the answer for this. Football officiating is not a money maker. With the equipment costs, meeting time commitment and limited number of games nobody is getting rich believe me.I saw a big drop off when the replacement refs got blasted 10 or so years ago and I truly believe kids today with all of the negative media attention the refs got and still get kids today just say I want no parts of that!!I don t have answers but requiring coaches to ref would be a good start.

  1101. Michael Smoll says:

    Donald Young, former football and Basketball coach at Quakertown HS for approx. 30 years has recently died. You’ll be missed coach

  1102. Neutral Observer says:

    @ billtown
    RE: need for younger officials

    I know and work with plenty of “Millennials” who are former players and would LOVE to be involved in either coaching or officating. The lack of participation is not from lack of interest.

    Unfortunately, many of these guys aren’t at a point in their careers where they can regularly take off Monday afternoons to officate freshman and JV games. Either they are piecing together 2 or 3 part-time jobs to earn a living wage, or they just have not built up enough good will at work to get that kind of flexibility.

    Friday nights or Saturday afternoons would be MUCH better schedule-wise for these guys, but then you’re throwing rookie refs out to the wolves. Not to mention the COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED resentment from the experienced refs who have paid their dues and EARNED the varsity games.

    I don’t know what the solution is. Moving JV/freshman games to Saturdays?

  1103. Brian says:

    Numbers are not the problem at North Schuylkill and NS has a fantastic feeder program with two
    midget football programs that consistently win and provide NS with young talent. I firmly believe that the current coaching staff is not capable of taking NS back to being a dominant team and until parents and fans voice their displeasure with the direction of the football program NS will continue to be an average football program.

  1104. billtown says:

    Bobby D I agree 100%.I cannot believe the decline in numbers in the coal region. Maybe the Trump coal revival will revive these great programs!!!

  1105. Bobby d says:

    @ Route 54, if you think NS is down, how many times has North Schuylkill beaten Mount Carmel soundly in the last four years? MC has been 6 & 5 the last two years in a row. That’s with 28 players in 2015 and 30 in 2016 and that’s with players from the co-op with Lourdes, with 2017 not looking any brighter. So NS isn’t the only regional school with problems, Shamokin is in the same boat too recently, besides Mount Carmel. It’s no wonder these MC fans aren’t trying to throw the couch under the school bus already. He better do something before they put his head on the proverbial chopping block. He just can’t seem to win the big games, such as NS & SCA. I say give him a chance but time and patience are running out.

  1106. billtown says:

    Guys we need referees statewide. Period!!Please consider getting involved or encouraging younger former players to get involved. I coached first then became a referee. In 1 year I realized that if I had been a ref first I would have been 1000% better coach. I am not kidding. In my opinion anyone who would even be considered for a coaching position in the future should have to referee on some level of the sport first. I cannot believe this idea has not been pushed by the PIAA.
    I hope everyone is healthy and happy and I look forward to seeing you all in the fall!!

  1107. Brian says:

    Sorry Route 54 but not buying graduation as the reason that North Schuylkill has become an average football program. This was once a dominant program that would consider 2 loses a bad season and now losing 4 games a year is acceptable. The fan base has become complaisant
    and satisfied with being average. That is just one fans opinion.

  1108. Route 54 says:

    @Brian. You have to take into consideration the amount of players and talent the lost last year. They won games they should have lost and lost games they should have won. Sometimes the better team dose not always win. North Schuylkill was not the only team in league that had an odd season. Example, North Schuylkill lost to Marian in week 2. North Schuylkill beat JT but Marian lost to JT. There are some decent teams in the Schuylkill league. It’s a tough league. Quite a few unexplained losses and wins for all teams in league.

  1109. Brian says:

    Will North Schuylkill ever return to being a powerhouse football program under the current coaching staff? How did this once dominant program become average at best and why is their fan base tolerating the demise of the football program. Just curious.

  1110. Tom F says:

    I believe if Pa gets a new Governor next term, we could see the start of Mass consolidations of school districts. Unfunded Pension Liabilities are now over 56 Billion! Thanks to teachers unions, Pensions and the dreaded property tax, The Pa Public school system cost is just destroying Pa. Our population continues to grow older and decline at the same time. 501 school districts! Trim that to 350 and save billions.

  1111. Neutral Observer says:

    @ chs1996
    Thanks for the correction as to the current plans. I’m going to miss the rivalries, but I think all 3 W-B schools will eventually be merged.

    @ PastorZack
    I think the Single A schools will be the first to disappear. There are just too many expenses and administrative hoops to jump through to run an entire school for 200 students (without even considering athletics).

  1112. Kmac says:


    I left a comment to your post on my “Our Sport is in Trouble” article. Thank you.

  1113. chs1996 says:

    The WB Area School District is planning to merge Meyers and Coughlin. GAR isn’t isn’t involved in the current consolidation plan.

  1114. PastorZack says:

    @Neutral, for public schools to compete with charter/privates in PIAA they have to consolidate just to have a pool of athletes to compete with other schools. In some cases and sports, it is difficult to support a program. Public schools are forced into only participating in certain sports all the while having to stay Title IX compliant. It is a difficult road for AD’s in public education, especially when you don’t have paid full-time staffs for sports and teaching.

  1115. Neutral Observer says:

    I’m seeing a lot of discussion on the Western PA Football forum about the merging of several Erie public schools into a “super school”.

    Unfortunately, I think this is the future of high schools in PA; it’s more cost efficient to have a few larger schools than many small schools.

    I know the EVENTUAL plan in Wilkes-Barre (D2) is to merge Coughlin (4A) and GAR (3A), but I haven’t heard about any other schools merging in any other districts.

    Anyone hear any other rumblings about mergers?

  1116. TomF says:

    I would put the manheim/Pine Richland either #2 or 3 behind the ECP/CB West games. Just an amazing game to watch, 2 teams that just executed in the clutch perfectly. A game where you just hated to see 1 team lose

  1117. eastpafanboy says:

    2A Predictions

    1.) Southern Columbia
    2.) Camp Hill
    3.) South Williamsport
    4.) Schukylkill Haven
    5.) West Catholic

    SCA-returns a ton of talent with all state selections on both sides of the ball.with the whole offense line returning and a great coaching staff, tough to pick against them.

    Camp Hill- like everyone says 5* tight end with a solid group around him could make a nice run

    South- returns running back and always has a good running game i see them losing to SCA in districts again.

    Haven- good coaching and solid young talent could make a deep playoff push.

    West Catholic- fast team with a lot of ball skills but can’t play [physical football

  1118. sausmann9 says:

    @ Phillyboy – yes, no, yes. I have some of the older PA state title games but not all. I lost a few to a Middle GA flood in 94′ to water damage that were still on vcr tapes but I do have some and now all PA games are on dvd. I think there’s somewhere around 300 PA games to check out. Send me an email to sausmann9@hotmail.com and I will reply with a games list for you to check out. If you see games you like, let me know and I’ll get with you on those games. My email explains everything regarding no charges, mailing, extra games, extra dvds, etc…

  1119. mark d says:

    @skook Not sure what you’re hearing about Lakeland.I am being told that Dunmore might have one of the strongest lines they ever had and that’s saying a lot ! All 5 starters back from last year and living in the weight room

  1120. Skookfootball says:

    2a top 5

    1. Schuylkill Haven
    2. Southern Columbia
    3. Camp Hill
    4. West catholic
    5. Lakeland

    SH- great returning running back (only gonna be a sophomore) may be the year the rushing record held by zach Barket may be broken, Returns Oline/Dline except 1. Loses 4 standout athletes.
    SC- loses stud running back and dback, returns a good amount of young players, SH and SC will battle it again in state playoffs, winner will go to state ship
    Camp- 5 star tight end 6’7 will be a big threat, returns a good amount.
    West- great athletes but can’t hang with anthracite smash mouth football.
    Lakeland- will be a sleeper this year.

  1121. Mike Keeney says:

    Wilson West Lawn versus Upper St Clair 12 to 7. Kerry Collins QB. Great game down to the wire. USC won but had to hold off Collins at end.

  1122. phillyboy says:

    Yo sausmann9, dude, do you have videos of past state title games. I bought several of the DVDs from PCN, problem is they only go back to 1998. I would love to check out the 1991 CB West/ECP final, the ’93 final with CB West vs. LeVar Arrington’s team that was ranked #1 in nation, I believe, where West lost by a point in the snow. And the ’97 West/Upper Saint Clair game which featured Armstrong. Even the ’96 Downingtown and ’92 CV (with former Eagles FB) would be intriguing to see. Have never seen any of those games.

  1123. McD 65 says:

    sausman, I would add st Joe Prep/ Pine Richland

  1124. sausmann9 says:

    Alright, how about something a bit different than looking into the 2017 season’s future and take a stroll through the past. Top 10 PA state title games since it started;

    1. 1999 CB West v Erie Prep

    2. 2000 CB West v Erie Prep

    3. 2002 Parkland v Woodland Hills

    4. 2006 Wilson Area v Jeannette

    5. 2003 Northern Lehigh v Aliquippa

    6. 2008 Wilmington Area v West Catholic

    7. 2010 Allentown CC v Bishop McDevitt

    8. 2003 Manheim Central v Pine Richland

    9. 1991 CB West v Erie Prep

    10. 2000 Strath Haven v West Allegheny

    what you all think and what would you all add/change???


  1125. FootballloverAFL says:

    1. Southern Columbia
    2.Schuylkill Haven
    3. Camp Hill
    4. Dunmore
    5. West Catholic
    Haven returns Oline, loses 4 studs, but has a great runningback returning.

    SC- returns almost every player should go to Hershey.

    Camp Hill- 5* recruit 17 starters return

  1126. TomF says:

    The 2 CB West/Erie Cathedral Prep battles were 2 of the all time great games in PIAA History. The talent on the field in those 2 games was incredible! CB West pulled out game 1 with a punt block in the last minute, ECP came back the next year to take round 2 in a back and forth slugfest.

  1127. sausmann9 says:

    Prayers and condolences to the Pettine and Bucks family for sure!!! Huge loss for all but thank God we had someone like Mike Pettine Sr come through PA football. We are all better and more knowledgable for it.

    For anyone interested, I will do a four-pack of Pettine’s best games to include the ESPN special for anyone that has never seen his teams in action. get in touch; sausmann9@hotmail.com

  1128. Neutral Observer says:

    Nick Lincoln is Imhotep Charter’s new head coach.


  1129. phillyboy says:

    I moved to Philadelphia in 1995 when CB West and Coach Pettine were still going strong. As a young adult I wasn’t so into high school ball at that time, but I still paid some attention to what was happening. Having a much better perspective now, if I could go back, I would have been at all of those big games. That was an awesome run. In fact I would rank Mike Pettine’s last CB West game (where they 3-peated on a blocked punt in the closing minutes) as the second best Philadelphia sports moment of all time, second only the the Flyers victory over the Soviet Red Army team. Still have the memories though.

  1130. Kmac says:

    So very sorry to hear of the death of Mike Pettine Senior at his Florida home this morning. Deepest sympathy to the family and a great loss to the history of high school football.

  1131. PastorZack says:

    What kind of carousel do you think starts with the Imhotep job? With the number of head coaching jobs open, I assume these programs may have a more difficult time getting their programs running. Where have the “program builders” gone? Or are school districts running away good coaches too fast?

  1132. Neutral Observer says:

    Mark Schmidt has stepped down as Imhotep Charter’s head football coach.


  1133. David Mika says:

    sausmann9….I agree with you on this. It is surprising.

  1134. sausmann9 says:

    Not like this will change anything but Easton Area High School just announced their new coach.


    Now what I don’t get is the fact that Easton “shoved out” Coach Shiffert for a few different reasons but then they hire a guy that was on the staff for 24 years and is cut from the same cloth. Not sure on this one for Easton but I highly doubt we see any difference in the Red Rovers – yes that means sweep right, sweep left, quarterback sneak, 2 kids to D2 colleges, and a Turkey Day game.

  1135. JoePA says:

    Hey Phillyboy stop the nonsense about recruiting. It may occur in your area but just don’t promote it.

  1136. phillyboy says:

    Hopefully Pine-Richland can pick up some key transfers too. To any Pittsburgh area parents of talented high school football players: you should seriously consider moving into the catchment of P-R so your kid can play for a highly regarded program. Your child will be seen by many big time college scouts and have a great chance to be part of a state champion as well.

  1137. Pcc64 says:

    Pasted Zack, I believe Pine Richland will be a top team this year.

  1138. Buddy says:

    @Pastor Zack

    Avery & Aaron aren’t seniors correct?

  1139. PastorZack says:

    Dave, as of right now, the answer is no. There are others looking though. I’m sure since their brother is at ODU, they will be one to offer soon.

  1140. JeffM says:

    Class 2A

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Camp Hill
    3. Dunmore
    4. Lakeland
    5. South Williamsport

    *Camp Hill returning 17 starters. Barely missed District 3 playoffs. Lost to 3A state runner up, 5A Palmyra, and 4A Milton Hershey*

  1141. David Mika says:

    PastorZack, I added Avery and Aaron to my list. Do they have any other offers?

  1142. PastorZack says:

    Dave, Coatesville’s Avery Young (2018) and Aaron Young (2019) picked up offers from Rutgers and Army over the last couple of days.

  1143. TomF says:

    Class 4A
    1)Erie Cathedral Prep
    3)Bethlehem Catholic
    4)Thomas Jefferson
    5)Berks Catholic

  1144. Ngab6 says:

    Dave, I’ll give 2A a try:

    1. Southern Columbia
    2. Dunmore
    3. South Williamsport
    4. Lakeland
    5. York Catholic

  1145. PastorZack says:

    @Dave, I’ll put a best guess in for 6A

    1. Wilson West Lawn
    2. Cumberland Valley
    3. St. Joseph’s Prep
    4. Coatesville
    5. Pittsburg Central Catholic

    This sets up for a BIG game in Week 1/2 for CV and Coatesville in Mechanicsburg.

  1146. Route 54 says:

    Dave,I will take a crack at top 5 eastern for Single A. I would have to look at who returns the most talent. Anyway, these are my picks. I will hold off on AA for the time being.
    1. Williams Valley
    2. Marian
    3. Tri-Valley
    4. Lakawana Trail
    5. Halifax

  1147. David Mika says:

    I know its early. Pick a class and post your top 5 teams in each class.

    Class 6A

    Class 5A

    Class 4A

    Class 3A

    Class 2A

    Class 1A

  1148. phillyboy says:

    Brian, very good point about football being an Olympic event — if they only allowed 8 teams in the tournament it could be done; play the quarterfinals right away, the semifinals in the middle weekend, and the final on the last weekend. Like you indicated, it would be challenging because of the need to rest several days between games so obviously they couldn’t have round robin games like the do in basketball the first week. They would have to dive right into the tournament – and qualifying tournaments beforehand would determine that.

  1149. Mike A says:

    @PastorZack He had hurt the shoulder against Chambersburg on 9/23 and without him they would have lost to CD the next week as he had punt and KO returns for TD’s in CV’s 25-24 win. He was the lone D1 player on the CV team. Quigley was also very good in HS but not in the same class (he’s going to Ship). He re-injured the shoulder within first several plays of the second half in the D3 playoff game against Wilson after CV had taken a 14-0 halftime lead. He already had one interception in the first half of that game. He played the third and into the fourth quarter basically with one arm as he could’t use the other at all. He was finally removed from the game early in the fourth quarter after Wilson took the lead as the third quarter ended. His loss allowed Wilson to crowd the line of scrimmage and stop CV’s running game. Without Katshir as the go to receiver and defense specialist it seemed that the whole teams morale collapsed and Wilson went on to win the game. Here’s a short clip from the Wilson game. Let it run for more highlights. https://www.hudl.com/video/3/4050828/583ca768c124d8185c288aa6

  1150. Brian says:

    football can’t be an olympic event because olympics last only 2 weeks and you can only play 1 game a week in football because of the physical demands.

  1151. billtown says:

    Sausmann9. Good ideas except I don t quite understand the vet ref one. Unfortunately the lack of bodies in a lot of areas including ours eliminates the 5 and 10 rule you described. I take no sub varsity games as I don t need the money and I am 60 and cannot do 2 games at the jr. high level. I did 6 JV games last year as we did not have enough refs to cover the games. Several junior high games were done with 4 which is tough especially with our older chapter. Bottom line we are approaching critical mass and the game will suffer if we don t replenish the herd!

  1152. PastorZack says:

    @ Mike A I read somewhere, maybe from here, that Katshir had offseason shoulder surgery due to an injury sustained during the season. It noted that he would be back for summer workouts. Don’t know how this will affect his season though. I know that he and Quigley were tough to contain for Coatesville early last season.

  1153. phillyboy says:

    Yo, did anybody catch that US vs Canada u-19 North American championship last Saturday? Not a lot has been said about it. At this point it’s pretty obscure but very interesting. It’s a junior national team championship for American football. The US team won 33-11, D’Andre Swift won the MVP, believe there was another player from western PA on the team as well. Would have loved to see the game, don’t have cable TV, but was hoping somebody might have uploaded it to youtube. Not yet anyway. But yeah, pretty compelling, could you imagine if some day American football became an Olympic event and they created a senior national team, talk about a Dream Team, goodness.

  1154. Mike A says:

    Cumberland Valley’s Katshir verbally commits to Penn State

    Penn State lands Class of 2018 commitment No. 8 as Charlie Katshir picks the Lions

  1155. sausmann9 says:

    @ Billtown – Dark Knight said it best, I hear the same gripe around the EPC in D11. A younger/newer ref mentioned something along those lines last season. PIAA needs to implement a rule that no veteran ref (over 10 years) can do any JV games and no veteran ref (over 5 years) can do any freshman games or something like that. Another rule could be that every varsity game needs a mandatory new ref on the field w/ the vet refs. I agree though, that issue will cause people to stay out of the profession.

  1156. billtown says:

    Dark Knight we had the same problem and still have guys doing it strictly for the paycheck but they are retiring at a fast clip due to age and physical problems thus we have a huge void on the horizon. I know D2 very well and the assignor for varsity is getting much better in using younger and diversified officials in the last 2-3 years so I think the whole old boys network is finally winding down as the old boys are finally leaving and opportunity is looking much better for no other reason than attrition. Keep on plugging if you are good you will get all of the games you can handle.

  1157. Dark Knight says:


    The problem we have in my area (D2) is that all the veteran guys take every game possible, and they younger guys get no work and get discouraged and leave. We have veteran guys working varsity Friday night, freshman sat morn, varsity sat afternoon or evening, minis sun, jv Monday, 7-8 tues. And it’s more than one. Very hard for a new guy to get a chance. How do you fix this??? Only way younger guys are going to develop is experience at the lower levels, and they can’t because a lot of guys are in it for the $$$$$ only.

  1158. PastorZack says:

    How’s everyone’s 7 on 7 circuit going? With the clamp down of hitting and the pervasiveness of spread concepts and formations, this time of year is vital for offenses and defenses alike to study hard and react quickly.

  1159. billtown says:

    Fellow forum followers I have a favor to ask.
    We need new blood in the football official chapters throughout the state. My chapter in Dist. 4 has 35 members with our average age around 60.In the last 5 years we have lost 10 and gained 3.You do the math. In the next 5 years if we don t see a drastic uptick in new officials we won t be able to fully staff games. By fully staffed I mean 6 man in varsity and 5 man JV jr. high. With the increase in size speed and passing in High school 6 man is a must in most varsity games today if you want sufficient coverage. If these numbers keep going we will see 4 and 5 at most varsity games which will diminish quality and lead to a lot of things we have worked very hard to improve. The most glaring being increased injuries to players.
    We need to keep this great game moving in the right direction and not having enough refs will definitely hurt the continued progress of this game we love.
    If you know anyone who played, coached or just loves football mention this fact to them. The younger the better but we will take anyone who is dedicated and capable including women. For recent grads who will never play again it is a way to stay in the game. All you need to do is get on the PIAA website and schedule a test. I hope everyone is well and I look forward to reading your great discussions this year!!

  1160. Buddy says:

    @McD 65

    OK. I’m behind the times, as usual:)

    Yea, I did hear he is one of the best coaches in the entire area. CB West product I do believe.

  1161. Mill says:

    Shiffert deserved a better exit than what happened. It’s sad that some people are all about the stats these days. Keith Groller wrote a great article about what happened.


  1162. McD 65 says:

    Buddy, Mike Carey has not been at Wood for a few years now. He left to concentrate on his business. I spoke with one of his brothers recently and he said Mike is unsure about returning to coaching this year. He is frankly the best line coach around.

  1163. rovers64 says:

    It’s been a long time since I’ve been on here. In response to the Easton change, I agree some changes were necessary to the program but the way this was handled is disgraceful.

    As far as the program goes, losing Shiffert is tough but losing the assistants will have much more of an effect. Easton had, hands down, the best DC in the area and probably best line coach too.

  1164. sausmann9 says:


    Shiffert out at Easton. Not surprised one bit, heard this at the start of the season. Easton starting to get stale, new blood, new offense, new energy!!! Easton will dominate once again. Now who to fill his spot???

  1165. roverred says:

    on shiffert sad day in easton

  1166. Buddy says:

    Why would Carey leave Wood ( I’m assuming he’s still there)? I’m sure he gets carried around in a gilded chair by now.

    Speaking of Coatesville, that’s the team in D1 next year! Talk about speed!

    Not sure if they can beat the recruiters, but we’ll see.

  1167. PastorZack says:

    From watching Easton in their scrimmage last year against Coatesville, they looked as if they had talent and a decent scheme. What became apparent was the lack of total team speed though. Obviously, when matched up against Parkland, they were exposed a bit.

  1168. phillyboy says:

    @ Mill
    Interesting news up in Easton. A while back I was positing that it would be awesome if Mike Carey took over at Easton. I could envision him turning that program into a big time power. I know, I know, they’re already pretty good. I’m talking taking it to another level. There’s no reason why it shouldn’t, Easton has a lot going for it: big school, lots of talent, tremendous community support and tradition. They could be a beast program if everything lined up.

  1169. Mill says:

    Possibly a new head coach at Easton Area HS….school board vote tonight

  1170. InterAcOne says:

    Any info on the finalists for the Malvern HC job?
    Sources say six coaches to interview on Monday Jan 23rd & the announcement on Feb. 10th.

  1171. sausmann9 says:

    @ keepinitreal – good call on that stat w/ the teams not doing so well last season, might be the very reason some other schools opt out of a game with them.

    @ PastorZak – nice football area you are coming from and probably in top 5 for talent and SPEED from high school athletes in our country. funny thing, everyone knows Katy, Katy, Katy but nobody speaks of Ozen or WO Stark. WOS still has one of the nastiest defenses I’ve ever seen for a high school football team. Love the way they play ball down there and still miss it, heck its probably the top public school football state in the country. I spent time w/ Judson in early 90’s. Stationed in SA area (brooks) for some time and loved that little “Rocket” school inside Loop 35.

  1172. Keepinitreal says:

    Pastor and Saus your comments made me check the open dates page on the website. The dynamic is interesting in that it seems the schools coming off not great years are gonna have a tough time finding non-league opponents. They are gonna have to prob play non-pubs which kills their points, which puts them like a hamster on the wheel never getting anywhere. And the non-pubs are gonna have to head out of town it looks like since they are not gonna help the pub point systems. Makes the divide between the have and have nots kind of bigger.

  1173. PastorZack says:

    @sausmann9, Golden Triangle area of SE Texas. Have coaching ties all over the state.

    You are right in the reclassification aspect of scheduling. Seems that 6A teams only want to play 6A teams for non-league games so that they dont lose points toward the playoffs. But, also about scheduling the right school in that you get some points for each game that they eventually win. Better to beat a 9 win 5A team than a 0 win 6A team.

  1174. sausmann9 says:

    @PastorZack – not very routine at all, these last two seasons seemed to have more than usual. The realignment may have had something to do with it/finding different teams that were not normally scheduled but not sure.

    what part of TX are you from??? tx.

  1175. PastorZack says:

    How normal is it for teams to back out of games? Seems to be a rash of this. There are multiple schools looking for games, and would think AD’s/Head coaches would have written agreements with their opponents hashed out by their individual conferences…

    Being new to PA football, is this the norm? Having come up through high school football in TX, this seemingly never happened.

  1176. Mill says:

    Rob Melosky now HC and AD at Pocono Mountain East High School.

  1177. Billy Splain says:

    Big changes for the BIG33 http://highschoolsports.pennlive.com/news/article/185154783006736064/pennsylvania-football-coaches-not-big-33-foundation-to-control-all-star-showcase/

  1178. David Mika says:

    Buddy, Yes…http://www.easternpafootball.com/news/epawpa-state-super-25-class-6a-team/

  1179. Buddy says:


    Did you post the super 25 class 6A team?

    Maybe I missed it.

  1180. Mike A says:

    Happy New Year to all! Can’t wait (just a little over 7 months until first practices begin) for another great HS football season!

  1181. David Mika says:

    We could use some one in certain areas.

  1182. PastorZack says:

    Dave, who covers the Ches-Mont and western areas of District 1 and Eastern areas of District 3 for you? Beyond the Downingtown Schools, information is scarce on these local teams.

  1183. JoePA says:

    Happy, healthy and prosperous NEW YEAR ….2017

    Maybe this will be the year that all of the discussions and squabbling about the so called recruiting non-sense can be put to bed. Most of the School District’s within the State have defined boundaries. The exceptions I believe are the Charter, Religious and top Private Schools. Mostly addressed in or around the boundaries of the State and Metro Areas. It’s about time for the top echelons in the PIAA to get their heads out of the sand and actively get involved in supporting their BRAND. To me it appears that in most all issues the PIAA reflects problems to it’s District counterparts to resolve between each other.

    Just another manner in which complete control is strangling any growth. It may be time for the State Legislature to take a snap shot of the PIAA Policies, Procedures and affiliations affecting the PIAA Brand. I would take close investigation of the top 5 High School State Athletic Associations as examples to follow.

    We need to have more definition on issue’s that require the arm of the PIAA and if necessary change the area’s that restricts, through By laws and the State Legislature.

    We’ll have too wait for any or no reaction from the PIAA

  1184. David Mika says:

    McD 65…..Thank you! Looking forward to 2017!

  1185. McD 65 says:

    Dave,thanks for another great year of HS football information and coverage.

  1186. David Mika says:

    Happy New Year!

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